Cubs and Rangers talking about Matt Garza

Cubs and Rangers talking about Matt Garza

Per Bruce Levine, the Cubs and Rangers have started talks on the possibility of trading Matt Garza for top prospects -- but they aren't close on anything yet.

The Rangers are expected to lose CJ Wilson to their division rivals Los Angeles Angels.  There are other top pitchers on the market such as Gio Gonzalez, Jair Jurrjens, and Jon Danks, but Garza put up better numbers than all of them last season.  He also has the appeal of having pitched successfully in baseball's toughest division, the AL East.

The Cubs have told at least one team that they would have to be overwhelmed to make a deal. Some, including myself, have speculated that they are looking for a Zack Greinke-like deal.  That deal included the Brewers top prospect, P Jake Odorizzi, their SS at the time and former #1 prospect Alcides Escobar, P Jeremy Jeffress (#3 prospect) and Lorenzo Cain (#8 prospect).

Granted, the Milwaukee system at that point wasn't as strong as Texas' system is today. But 3 of the players were among the top 100 prospects in baseball, and one of them, Escobar, was ranked #12 overall by Baseball America.

The Rangers wil likely have two prospects that will be ranked that highly in 20 year old  LHP Martin Perez and 19 year old SS Jurickson Profar.  We can be pretty certain the Cubs will ask for one of those two prospects, though it will be nearly impossible to pry Profar loose, who may have elevated himself into one of the top 5 prospects in baseball.

Other prospects who are certain to intrigue the Cubs:

  •  Mike Olt (3B):  A good athlete who projects to have good power, good defense, and good plate discipline.  Like Cubs prospect Brett Jackson, he strikes out more than you'd like and he's not expected to be a great hitter for average.
  • Leonys Martin, 24, (OF):  He has the defensive skills, speed, and athleticism the Cubs like.  His bat is still a question.
  • Robbie Ross, 22, LHP: Ross isn't as physically gifted as Martin Perez and doesn't throw as hard, but he has great command of a low 90s fastball with great movement.  He also has a slider but his change up needs some more work.  He has the ceiling of a #3 starter.
  • Neil Ramirez, 22, RHP: Ramirez had some injury issues but reached AAA.  He can hit 95 mph on the gun and has a good curveball when he's right, but concerns about injuries and command make him an unlikely target for Epstein and Hoyer.

There's also the possibilty of including a young major league player such as LHPs Derek Holland (25) and Matt Harrison (26), though it's doubtful Texas would want to lose another lefty after losing CJ Wilson.  RHP Alexi Ogando (28) and 1B Mitch Moreland(26)are two more possibilities from the major league team.

If you go by Jon Sickels' ratings, only Profar is a grade A prospect, so if the Cubs don't get him or one of the top major league lefties, they should get a package of 3-4 players with which they could kick start the process of rebuilding the farm, and eventually, the major league team.

 

 

 

 

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  • Rule V draft is tomorrow. Will the Cubs finally do something?

  • In reply to Eddie:

    Yes. Although I don't know if they'll pick for themselves, Boston, or SD. Jiwan James is getting a lot of buzz now as the guy who may go first overall. I know a lot of people commenting were hoping he'd be the guy.

    If the Cubs pick someone for themselves, I suspect it will be an arm who's capable of starting, like Brad Meyers.

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    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/yu-darvish-to-be-posted-tomorrow.html

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Just posted a news/notes article with that. Was going to publish tomorrow, but what the heck..apparently there are other people awake!

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Someone has to make sure the world doesn't run out of stainless steel.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Thank you for that...we all need stainless steel in our lives.

  • It's great to be back on a sane baseball site. I was on the Garza/Rangers post on MLBTR and almost lost my mind reading some of the comments that Rangers fans posted.

    Bottom line; if an agreement between Theo/Jed and JD can't be reached, we move on. It won't be the first time teams can't come to terms on a deal and it won't be the last. They have their ideas, we have ours.

    If the Cubs want Profar and Perez and JD doesn't want to give them up. Move on.. JD can then post $50 million for Darvish and then match that amount to sign him. Oh wait, he could have resigned CJ Wilson for that amount.

    I apologize if I sound a little out of sorts here. I'm still PO'ed coming from the MLBTR site.

  • In reply to Alex:

    LOL i was over there too, it was madness.

    But yeah I mean it's going to take a lot to get him so if they don't want to pay the price then they can go after Darvish.

    I'm thinking Ogando + 2-3 top notch prospects, like Ramirez, Scheppers, and maybe Olt or Moreland.

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    Alex, Jeff...

    What kind of offers were they throwing out there?

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    One dude saying just Scheppers and some fringe prospects.
    Another says Moreland + Perez.

    Most Rangers saying Garza's nothing but a #3 or #4, not worth anything in there top 10. Pretty much everyone saying Olt, Perez, Moreland, Profar are untouchable.

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    Scheppers? Wow...might be a bullpen arm if he's even healthy. Perez and Moreland is closer, but I'm pretty sure the Cubs will prefer Olt. Start it with Perez and Olt, and maybe you have something to go on.

    There's some knowledgeable people on that site, but there seems like there's a lot less than there used to be. That's the price of popularity, I guess.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    John.. I'm a little leery of Moreland coming off wrist surgery. He may not have + power, but I worry when I read about hitters and wrist surgery.

  • In reply to Alex:

    I am as well. I'd much, much rather have Olt. He's the kind of player the Cubs seem to want to build on. Especially if he gets the Ks down.

    If Moreland is involved, I don't think he's a centerpiece.

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    Thanks for posting that Jeff. If I had to do it, I'd have to go find some blood pressure meds somewhere.

    John, what Jeff posted is spot on. One guy thinks that Holland, Ogando, and Feliz are as good as Garza. It has to be nice to play a third of your games in the AL West.

    I had been going back and forth with a guy who says that the Rangers can save their farm system and put in a post for Darvish. First off, good luck with that; second, for the money they would be paying for posting THEN signing Darvish, they could have resigned Wilson.

  • In reply to Alex:

    I was just telling Jeff that the quality of comments isn't quite what it used to be on there.

    Well, I think they will post for Darvish and they may have the inside track if they're willing to pay for it. Even if he does, most teams would prefer to have Garza -- but maybe getting Darvish without losing a player might be better for them. If they lose out on him, though, then they're really stuck and the Cubs will make them pay if they want Garza.

    Didn't they give up a #4 and #10 prospect for a reliever last year (Mike Adams)? They'll have to do better than that to get a #2 starter with 2 years of team control.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    JD paid what he felt he had to get a deal done for Adams. Same will go for Garza. I agree with you, if the Rangers lose out on Darvish, I look forward to seeing what JD will be willing to part with then.

    The Angels will have the best staff in the AL West by far. If the Rangers want to go back to the World Series, they will need more than Harrison, Holland, Ogando, and Feliz on their staff.

  • Okay then... Well see if Theo can get his "overwhelming" offer.

    What are the chances we can get Harrison & one or two top 10 prospect like Ross? Id like to see someone in return they can plug into the 2012 rotation.

    If not, Garza's our ace & if the season goes south they have the option to offer him back up at the deadline, when the need for quality starting pitching is even more at a premium.

  • In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    Sorry, I should say "they" & "their" instead or "we" & "our". Bad Habit.

  • In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    I think the chances for getting Harrison or any big league pitcher are low. The Angels have put together quite a staff and I don't think the Rangers will only improve their rotation marginally if they lose a top guy in the process.

    I think the best we can hope for is Perez, as far as pitchers and maybe getting a second guy like Ross or Ramirez. I have to imagine Olt is going to be in the deal. He's too perfect a fit for us for Theo not to ask about.

  • In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    Dan - Well said.

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    John, two of the clubs ahead of the Cubs in the Rule V have 40 man rosters that are full. The result is the Cubs now have the 4th overall pick.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    They both have shed a player since then. KC just made a minor trade to open up a spot. I think the Orioles were the other team and they made a similar move.

  • Moreland's hurt. So is Scheppers.

    I'm not sure I see a match. I'm sure Theo will ask for Profar and a + pitcher. And I don't think Daniels is going to give up Profar. And even if they did.Thisis an 18 year old kid right?I don't think The Theocrats are gonna want their "Statement move", which trading Garza would be, to be judged in two-three years. Theo's gonna want/need at leasttwo players that will be giving a sneak preview of things to come ( Meaning: Make the big league team) in 2012. Texas saw dividends from trading Mark Texiera within a year. Maybe you get Matt Harrison in there....Again, I don't see it.

  • In reply to felzz:

    I think you almost have to ask for Profar if you want a Greinke like deal. Only Profar should rank as a top 10-12 guy. Normally, I'd be happy with Perez as the headliner but there has to be concern about his performance the past two years. His stuff, though, is #2 quality.

    I just don't see the Rangers giving up Profar, and I wouldn't blame them. I think the Cubs should at least get Perez and Olt as the headliners and then get at least one more pitching prospect and possibly a 4th player, another position prospect.

  • I like to see them get Holland and Perez.

  • In reply to cubsfan4life:

    I don't think they'll get a current starter from Texas. I think the goal is to get a few good prospects, at least a couple of which are close to major league ready.

  • Bruce Levine is saying Cubs asked for Feldman but Rangers don't want to part with him.

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    *Feldman as part of a deal*

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    Feldman? I think Levine is wrong on both counts, there. Feldman is no great talent and I'm quite sure the Rangers would part with him to get Garza. That makes little sense to me.

  • It's places like MLBTR forums that make you realize how awesome thus site it. Most fans overvalue their players and always want something for nothing, in most fans mind they should get top talent from other teams for little in return. It's said but true.

  • In reply to Steve Flores:

    Thanks! I did go check some of those Rangers fans ideas and it was pretty hilarious. I like the one guy who said "we can't trade our top 4 guys because we need them." Can you imagine a GM saying that? It's just fans who follow prospect and have grown attached -- and as you say, overvalued them. The reality is that, although it's a great farm system, the only sure thing they have in their system is Jurickson Profar.

  • how many selections can a team make in the rule 5 ?

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