Occupy Movement Is Spreading While Chicago Initiates $125 City Protest Fee (Eh Fine)

Occupy Movement Is Spreading While Chicago Initiates $125 City Protest Fee (Eh Fine)

The Occupy Wall Street Movement has blossomed and is now spreading to cities around the country. Protesters continue to voice their displeasure with big business greed and an ineffective political system that fails to punish those who continue to abuse it and the taxpayer. Of course I have to believe that much of this discontent has more to do with an anemic global economy and the effects it has had on the average person's financial well-being than anything else. I mean, if the economy were humming along right now and employment was at high-capacity, then would we even be having this discourse at this time? Never-the-less, the issues have raised!

And it has been a long time in coming too.

Organizers of Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Chicago and Occupy Phoenix (as well as others I have missed) should be commended for their stick-to-it attitudes. It really would be something though if the movement spread faster than the Arab Spring and morphed into an Occupy the World Movement. And why not the world? After all, the global economy is so tightly intertwined that it is hard to discern where all this corporate greed begins or ends. As for Bad Corporate Citizenship, well that is not an American thing! Big Business has long seen fit to deny their fair share of tax contributions around the globe. Especially with their deftness in setting up offshore shell accounts for the sole purpose of tax avoidance.

Well enough is enough already! History has shown the world how Big Business has exacted a toll on its working classes. And anyone who uses the logic that without them we have nothing is flawed. In reality it is Big Business who have nothing without the working class! Let's not forget that the Silver Spoons in the Mouth's never actually do any of the dirty work and they never will. No - that is always left up to the workers. Although workers earn a wage - they also give much of that back to the very interests (or their subsidiaries) who hire them. It is just a flippin' Rat Race, you know? Through it all the Working Class are manipulated and played like some puppets on a string.

Government, though, is much to blame for the inequities. Politicians have long been in bed with Big Business Interests. Then again, it is those Big Business Interests who shamelessly back "their men or women in government." Politicians are rewarded handsomely in exchange for their coercion. So? Is it really an accident that we have flawed or lax government policies around the globe? Of course not, they exist to favor the business interests that favor them.

However, the worst part of this sort of collusion is that we have the working class paying a disproportionate higher percentage of the tab than the elitists corporations do. By the way, not only is that just plain wrong but that is exactly why the Tea Party was hijacked by GOP Elitists. Well, the time has come to stop this madness. The way I see it, the Occupy Movements will continue to gather steam and they won't fall victim to elitist infiltrators like the Tea Party did. This is issue is as non-partisan as it gets. The Average Joe's and Josephine's of the world have been beaten-up repeatedly and they have finally gotten mad enough to take to the streets!

But hey, the powers that be do like dissent in any form and will do anything to silence it. One way or the other the Elitists will look to preserve their smug way of life and keep reaching into the average persons pocket. And wouldn't you know it? Chicago's Mayor, Rahm "Rahmbo" Emanuel has figured out a way to do exactly that. Sunday he ordered his in-the-pocket police chief to arrest the protesters and then whack them with a $125 citation.

I suppose Rahmbo needed a means to offset the training costs for next year's G-8 and NATO Summits and saw this as an opportunity to use a fine as a means to levy a new City Fee, huh? Sharp dude - then again Rahm Emanuel is one of those elitist taxpayer leeches of government who is tied into Big Business. And unless I have my facts wrong, wasn't it  Rahmbo, who got a nice chunk of taxpayer dollars while doing very little work at Freddy Mac and helping in its' near collapse?

It seems to me that Rahmbo has figured out a way to kill two birds with one stone here. Stifle the Occupy Movement Protesters to suppress their free speech and right to assemble and still raise some needed cash. Oh well, I guess no one should have expected the new mayor of Chicago to be on the side of the people, after all he is part of the same crowd that has screwed them. So I guess there will never be a question of what side of the class divide he will cater to. And it ain't to the Working Class Stiffs.

Hmm - I wonder? How long does it take for an Occupy Movement -

to become an Anarchy Movement?

 

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  • As far as whether they are proposing anything (and it is not clear that they are), Communism proved that it failed, except in places like China where it somehow morphed into something like capitalism. Cuba may still be a People's Republic, but the Castros still don't brook dissent.

    Maybe only Saudi Arabia and the Emirates work, in that there is enough oil money to spread some around. Even that doesn't seem to work in Venezuela.

    Also, you seem to indicate that Rahm pushed through a fine for participating in Occupy, when most news sources indicate it was for violating a preexisting ordinance that the park closed at 11.

    Otherwise my opinion, similar to what I stated in a related matter, is that they have have First Amendment right to protest, and I have the right to ignore them. No different that people who put flyers under my windshield wiper.

  • In reply to jack:

    You are so right, Jack. These Occupy-Whatevers have no point at all. It is little else but angry, anti-American, anti-Capitalist, silliness filled with people without a clue. It really is a sad end to the proud tradition of left-wing protesting. They went from having a passion and a purpose to beclowning themselves with this nonsense.

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    I am not so sure I would say they have no point at all Publius. And what is unAmerican about protesting anyhow? I don't understand that sentiment at all. Whether we agree or not with what the protesters are trying to say doesn't mean they don't have a perception of some sort of inequity against them. They have the right to speak out. WTF, why did I put the uniform on for? Look - I don't have to agree with everything or anything but I'll be damned if I won't defend a person's right to speak about it.

    When we talk about being anti-American take a look at what those scumbags like Cellini have done over the years while we paid the freight because of it. Is that what you mean about being American? The slithering, sliding and thieving in the shadows? Hey, I don't disagree with you very often, but I think you are off-base here. There is no denying that regular people are mad as hell. And not just here either.

    However, as said in my opening - if the economy weren't in tatters would we even be talking about this?

    Perhaps the politicians ought to heed the warning they are being given?

  • In reply to Michael Ciric:

    Boy, you sure imputed all kinds of falsities into what I wrote.

    I never said "protesting is UnAmerican." I said THESE people are being unAmerican.

    I never said they don't have a right to their opinion. But having an opinion does not make those opinions correct.

    I didn't say they didn't see any inequity. But what they "see" is not automatically correct just because they claim to see it.

    And I haven't a clue where you got that I might support Cellini!!

    Further I did not deny they are "mad as hell." But being "mad as hell" does not mean they have a clue.

    I agree with you last bit, though. Our politicians have been the tip of the spear to making this mess. But the very people you are sticking up for are ultimately responsible for this mess. They voted in the idiots we have in office. THIS is the fault of Democrat voters.

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    Now we have some common ground I totally agree with your last statement. Our politicians (Democratic Machine) have been the tip of the spear. 100% agree. But hey get real I never said you supported Cellini. I am just asking you to define exactly what being American is. Who is what is sometimes far less important than what a perception is sometimes. Especially when it comes to THESE people. How do we know exactly who they are or what they represent in the grand scheme of things.

    I was reading about some of these people who came to Chicago to protest. One in guy in particular from Medford, Oregon joined-in the protest because his economic world crumbled around him. Here is an interesting piece, by the way, on the Occupy Movement I happened to see in the Washington Post.

    Now here is the way I see it, I don't view these protests as solving anything in, and of, itself. But they do offer a vehicle for policy makers to factor in what people feel are the shortfalls in our current policies. How many times have we heard stuff like - do we continue subsidizing corporation farmers while denying small business start-up funding? or - Do we bail out a mortgage industry that the industry itself blew up? Just a few things to consider. I don't see it all as being misdirect nutty stuff.

    Look I don't blame one side or the other because everyone has had a hand in this politically. But I am not going to buy some ideological crap that we should ignore dissent because it doesn't suit the powers that be either. Remember when Cantor called the Tea party a bunch of Un-Americans?

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    BTW since I started this blog I have said the blind following of a Democratic Machine was a fruitless exercise. So I don't believe I am sticking up for Democratic voters. These protesters cut across many lines from what my understanding is via media reports so I am not sure what you mean by I am sticking up for those ultimately responsible.

    Our policy woes were created by both the GOP and DEMs. Both sides have gotten in bed with special interests and Big Business so I am not ever going to pin the blame on one or the other for our national policies.

    Illinois - yes. And I have said the voters better stop believing in an ideology that doesn't exist here.

  • In reply to Michael Ciric:

    I disagree the people at these OWS events cut across lines... well, unless those lines are those between the left, the far left, and the insane. In fact, take a look at Doug Schoen's piece today on that and you'll see what I mean by how radical and far beyond the average American these nuts are. (And by "these people" I don't mean that in a wide generality. I mean specifically the people at these OSW events, not the ones they laughingly claim to represent in the wider population.)

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    Well I must admit that was an interesting poll and gives me pause to want to see if that is the national trend as well.

    Again I don't know; based on what I read about Phoenix and some other cities it would appear that the same demographics aren't as prevalent as the WSJ report reported for NYC..

    Still, I just hate to lump everyone into one clump at this point.

    I mean I do believe that people in general are mad and it is across party lines.
    Granted that President Obama's supporters have withdrawn and aren't happy given those polls.

    I will say this that link was something of an eye-opener and can't discount its conclusion. I just wonder if the sampling size is enough.
    Perhaps it bears watching a little longer, at least for me and see where it leads - if anywhere.

    So far as allowing protesters to protest, well I still say let them. I am all in favor of allowing people to voice their opinion.
    After all it is a right of ours and one that should be respected unless it turns violent.

    p.s. I corrected the link you supplied it wasn't coming up as a web link.

  • In reply to Michael Ciric:

    Michael, I read your post and I am just as confused as I am after listening to some of the protestors. There are so many topics and ideas that I cannot keep them all in order - much like the protestors but I will do my best.

    You stated; “Organizers of Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Chicago and Occupy Phoenix (as well as others I have missed) should be commended for their stick-to-it attitudes.”

    There is nothing organized about these protests whatsoever that I can see nor is there a leader – what are they sticking too exactly? There is no clear goal or objective. Many people, myself included, are totally confused about those being interviewed at the protests because there is no single common thread between any of the comments being made, therefore, many do not take this so called ‘movement’ seriously. If the protestors are upset about banks being bailed out, then why are they not protesting in front of the Federal Government? You said it yourself later on in your article;

    “Government, though, is much to blame for the inequities. Politicians have long been in bed with Big Business Interests. Then again, it is those Big Business Interests who shamelessly back "their men or women in government."

    Hence, this is why I contend that protesting in front of Wall Street or a millionaire’s mansion is pointless. Big Corporations have officers in charge who are voted in by stockholders at annual meetings or by Proxy - if the stockholders were upset with a manager’s golden parachute, they have the ability to change the rules and the management, not a bunch of people yelling on bullhorns in front of Wall Street - they are complaining about private corporations. Why? If the protestors are upset because of the tax loopholes enjoyed by many large corporations, once again, protest in front of the government, not Wall Street.

    And even though you didn’t mention it, I feel the mortgage crisis is equally relevant. The Federal Government bailed out Fannie and Freddie, both of whom are responsible for loosening up the credit requirements, which allowed the floodgates of no doc loans to those who could not afford or qualify for a mortgage.

    I also don’t understand your statement;

    “Through it all the Working Class are manipulated and played like some puppets on a string.”

    Michael, last I checked, people have the right to work wherever they want – how are employee’s puppets? Aren’t they working for their company at will? Nobody is forcing people to do their jobs – that is slavery.

    You go on to say;

    "The way I see it, the Occupy Movements will continue to gather steam and they won't fall victim to elitist infiltrators like the Tea Party did......The Average Joe's and Josephine's of the world have been beaten-up repeatedly and they have finally gotten mad enough to take to the streets!"

    Again, your thoughts and comments are all over the place and some make no sense at all, much like the protestors' remarks. As far as the Tea Party Movement is concerned, they had a clear agenda and stuck to it - they wanted less spending by the Federal Government. They were hijacked or infiltrated by anyone, they were able to make a huge difference and the most recent elections this year proved that.

    The Tea Party members were also made up of ‘average Joe's and Josephines’ of all colors and faiths, so I have no idea where you are coming up with those comments about how it was infiltrated or hi-jacked by elitists - did some of the Republican's use the popularity of that movement in an attempt to gain popularity or support amongst their constituents at last Summer’s straw pole election in Ohio? Absolutely - why wouldn't they? They too have a set goal and that is to win a nomination. Anyone else has the opportunity to challenge what he or she presents as being a better alternative, if you cannot come up with a clear plan in opposition and convince anyone otherwise, I guess you lose.

    One of the problems I see with comments from people like you is that you seem to be an enemy of free market capitalism – isn’t that, along with freedom, what our country was founded on? A place where everyone has the opportunity to do and be what he or she wants to be? Isn’t that why there are so many foreigners trying to get into to the United States, whether legal or illegal? If this country were such a bad place, why would these foreigners want to come here?

    It's called OPPORTUNITY Michael - something many people don't have in other parts of the world. Why would you punish those for the desire or becoming successful? What incentive would anyone have if they all followed the same regimen of a socialist diet like the one you seem to follow where everyone should have the same? Nobody should have more than anyone else - Why would any kid want to exceed in anything if whatever he earned from the fruits of his labors was divided up and passed out to those who did not earn it themselves?

    We need to reward those who are capitalists for starting business’ that employ the majority of our neighbors – we must praise those so savvy and clever to come up with the ideas and technology that has made our lives so much easier in many cases safer – not protest them and hang them out to dry.

    If you are upset by the fact that there are some who have silver spoons in their mouths because they don’t do the actual work? So what – how does that affect you and your life? My boss has a boat on Lake Michigan and often goes there mid week in the summer – so what? I still get my paycheck……

    Class warfare is not the answer Michael and that is exactly what many like you seem to be promoting.

    And good for Mayor ‘Rhambo’ and his $125 fine – why should the taxpayers have to clean up the messes and the additional security required because the people are ‘upset’ with the ‘system’.

    The City has rules and the mayor has an obligation to uphold the laws and protect the citizens. If the protesters are violating any laws or curfews, then they deserve the punishment. Just because I don’t believe driving 55 is fair doesn’t mean a judge should waive my speeding violation…

  • In reply to mikeinchgo:

    I understand the confusion and it abounds;

    First the "stick to it" attitude - I am from a generation that spoke up - whether an unjust war, civil rights, the ecology, etc.. What I commend therefore is the fact that people are voicing their opinion. There is so much apathy out there that many have withdrawn completely from the process.

    As for the Occupy Movement - well there definitely is no clear agenda or leadership to speak of. That in and of itself is stupid. However, the phenomenon we are seeing is the first part - people are mad and have reengaged the process.

    Look I am not opposed to those working hard for success and being able to keep what they have built or earned so let's get that out there right away.

    The spillover we are seeing has to do with the Federal Government bailing out banks to prevent collapse (as we were told) instead they used that money as a floater loan to buy other synergies and./or competitors. Some gave out obscene bonuses to a top heavy management - in general they engaged in bad behavior instead of "circulating the money as desired" under ARRA. Unemployment remains high, credit has compressed, people are losing homes, etc.. All the while financial institutions played games with taxpayer funded money. Okay the paid it back, mostly, but conditions haven't changed.

    Unemployment remains high while jobs remain overseas, credit remains compressed and most folks are upside down on their mortgages because values have plummeted and these institutions (as well as Fannie and Freddie) prevent people from salvaging what is left of their homes in spite of legislation designed to correct that - no one qualifies? BTW not everyone was someone who benefited from loosened requirements either. Sure some did not deserve the privilege and I agree but we can't lump everyone into the stew.

    p.s. making homes available, as a policy was begun under Clinton. Rahmbo if I recall made a mint too for little to no work.

    Yet, the speculators and traders of junk bonds and derivatives continue to make money hand over fist. In a nutshell, the rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer.

    I don't know about you - but somewhere in there is a central theme for the discontent.

    The Tea Party, as you alluded had an agenda. The far left quickly consolidated where they could and the Tea Party became an extension of the GOP, however, those who participated early on in the many regional organizations vaporized. maybe some took to the Occupy Movement - I don;t know - but in the beginning the Tea Party was no extension of the GOP. That is a given.

    By the way - there is a difference between opportunity and profit by deception. That is my peeve.

    As for curfew - hey man I grew up in that city and you could go to the Horseshoe at Montrose Harbor and see people fishing at all hours - and cops discussing the catch at 3am - some curfew. Perhaps selective? If Rahm wants to enforce that archaic law then do it across the board - As I see it - his intent is to stifle dissent.

    Hell we can write a book on the inequities, however I do agree that not everyone in Wall Street is responsible either - but some were if we are to believe the first of hopefully many indictments released this week.

    The way I view this whole thing, though, is that people are mad in general and are tired of the interactions between government and the private sector who use taxpayer dollars to fund their next scheme. But we don't see much coming back in favor of the taxpayer who footed it in the first place.

    I say let this play out and morph into something more concrete. I would think that there will be spin-offs and leaders emerge at some point. The other whack jobs that attend to simply spew anti-Semitic rhetoric or ask for unreasonable things akin to Marx will fade away.

    Perhaps a beer and debate one topic at a time sometime down the line - you'll see I'm not as far out there as you might think. In the meantime I say let the protestors engage unless of course it gets violent.

    Let me ask you this - do you think everything is A-Okay and on the level so far as "opportunity" goes - or would you agree that there has been some collusion between Wall Street and the Capitol?

    And no a judge shouldn't waive the speeding ticket. Unless of course that fine is handed out in a selective manner?

    And that's the crux.

  • In reply to Michael Ciric:

    I don't think everything is A-Okay nor have I ever thought it was. I believe politics and big business will always go hand in hand. Many politicians were once in big business before they became politicians, therefore, I believe they are still in it for themselves and could care less about the citizens they supposedly represent.

    Remove the high salaries and ridiculous pensions and benefits from political positions and you will see them return to where they came from - it will no longer attract the rich and wannabe rich.

    And yes, the Mortgage crisis started with Barney Frank and Freddie and Fannie - that I never doubted. He was the one who pushed for no doc loans stating everyone should own a home....

    As far as the protestors are concerned, I think they are losing steam and when Winter sets in they will slowly fall apart. When it costs taxpayer dollars for additional overtime and clean up, it's not worth it. They are not focused enough to peak my interest nor do I believe they will make any difference in the status quo of politics or business in general. To begin, they are targeting the wrong places and people.

  • In reply to mikeinchgo:

    Fair enough Mike - you do make a well reasoned argument. Perhaps you are right in that they are targeting the "wrong places and people." Unfortunately for most - it isn't easy figuring out the maze either and as such people will vent at the general idea. But hey I do get what you are saying. As you say too, winter is coming and that will probably have an effect on the protesters. There seems to be many more groups springing up all around the country, though - so I am not entirely sure if protests will ebb completely. It bears watching at the least, whether we go along with it or not?

  • Maybe only Saudi Arabia and the Emirates work? Comedy like that is hard to find. Lets hope the US never works like those two medieval theocracies, but we may be one our way.

  • In reply to Celt:

    Lord knows - but we are headed for something. LOL

  • In reply to Celt:

    I meant only in the sense that a couple of places apparently believe in spreading some wealth to keep the masses pacified.

  • Of course you noticed I categorized this post as satire right?

    As for Occupy having a message or clear agenda there aren't any. My thoughts though that it seems simple enough there are people who are are tired of of feeling as if they are towing the line for everyone else and themselves. So I think the anger speaks for itself.

    I will say that the The Middle Class is becoming extinct.

    As for different forms of governance - there isn't a system yet that has figured out how to keep the greed out of the equation. i.e. Orwell's Animal Farm. Human nature dictates that only the strong survive and for us that means many things. Naturally I understand the concept that there are those who profit off questionable means while the weak are left to pick up the pieces. But I won't knock our way of life over any other. Still there are plenty of inequities.

    As for Rahmbo - no I didn't say he pushed through a brand new fee, just that he is using an existing one that is rarely - if ever enforced. I mean come on - parks closing at 11? Since when? Then they would have scrap many a festival you know? Look you know it's bullshit to arrest the protesters so let's leave it at that and call it being cheeky. And what is $125 x 175? Nice couple hours work.

    In a serious vane though, government is owned by big business and special interests and that has impacted people trying to just get by. Matter of fact - that is why they just get by and no get ahead. That is a fact and the fact that they get the shit everyday well they get mad.

    But if that's democracy so be it.

  • "However, the worst part of this sort of collusion is that we have the working class paying a disproportionate higher percentage of the tab than the elitists do."

    I sure hope that part was satire also because it's just not true. In fact, it's just the opposite: http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/taxdistribution.cfm

  • In reply to Gary Lucido:

    Gary this whole post was pretty much tongue and cheek satire. But you did catch me using elitist twice - the quote you cite should have said corporations. As for the protests - about the only thing I am sure of is that people are mad and that part isn't funny. Besides arresting them won't solve anything will it?

  • In reply to Michael Ciric:

    "Besides arresting them won't solve anything will it?"

    Well, it gets them some publicity, and it gets the park cleared.

    I don't know if you are implying (seriously) that the city is making money off this, but I doubt that even if court costs are added on, this covers the cost of the police presence, their room overnight in the lockup, processing them through bail, and holding a five minute trial in police court. Of course, someone would have to pay the cops and Assistant State's Atty., anyway.

    There was a debate about a more interesting city money making scheme (congestion parking tax) on the CTA Tattler.

  • In reply to jack:

    The only thing I am seriously implying is that arresting them in the first place was bullshit. It isn't as if this is 1968 in front of the Hilton.

    Sure maybe they are a nuisance - big deal. They still have the right to assemble and protest and BTW that is a right I fought for. So I don't have to agree with any of it - but I'll be damned if I like peoples rights being trampled while we let our corrupt thieves run amok here.

    As for Publius' assertion this group is somehow unAmerican, well I don't get that impression at all. People are genuinely pissed at what they perceive as a system that is stacked against them. And isn't that quite a big point? Our woes are deeper than stagflation. Let em protest without stoking the fire.

    Take a look at what happened in Europe when this went global when their discontent spilled over.

  • In reply to Michael Ciric:

    Europe (especially Greece, that is apparently having austerity foisted on it by Germany) was protesting long before this.

  • In reply to jack:

    True, very true. Sometimes we even forget about the violent protests in the UK when they announced their austerity programs in what seems ages ago too.

    Then again, Europe and the USA are intrinsically linked with mortgage collapse and derivatives scandal. And what about Iceland of all places - I mean, who would have thunk it?

    Still, I have this feeling that these protests and its protesters can't all be lumped into one specific group of discontents. Yes there are other social issues at play too, especially in places like the UK and France. But - if I were a politician anywhere in the world right now - I would try and understand the dynamics thoroughly. I don't believe it is as cut and dry as Publius and some others have opined on.

    And let's not forget, even Eric Cantor basically called the original Tea Party protesters cretins and malcontents. I tend to go along with the writer from the Washington Post on this.

    To wit - it is still to early to tell where this leads - but I don't think it is a partisan issue nor is it limited to those who "haven't a clue."

    For all my spontaneity sometimes - I still try to take a breath and take a longer look at things, especially in areas of social phenomena.

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