Jeremy Lin is a Better Role Model than Derrick Rose and It's Not Even Close

The difference between Jeremy Lin and Derrick Rose, in regards to being a role model, is the difference between what is expected and what is exceptional in terms of what people presume from an individual.

Derrick Rose is humble, has never been arrested, does charity work, cares for his teammates, and works hard on the court. All this is true. But is there really anything exceptional to this? Of course not; all of this should be expected. You're supposed to be humble, you're supposed to not get arrested, you're supposed to volunteer, and you're supposed to work hard. To actually list these as reasons for Derrick Rose to be held as a role model not only diminishes him as an individual but lowers our standards for role models and belittles our already low opinion of professional athletes. Presumably, the bar has been battered down so low in professional sports what was once expected is now exceptional; what was once customary is now extraordinary.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't respect Derrick Rose.

We should.

It also doesn't mean we can't view Derrick Rose as a role model.

We ought to.

Just don't tell me he's a better role model than Jeremy Lin, because he is not.

Notwithstanding a settled SAT score issue in high school, Derrick Rose has led a life which we can all look up to. But I'll be looking at Jeremy Lin first when it comes to being a role model. By now you've heard the story, and listing all the unique and remarkable events in Jeremy Lin's life will be a litany of resignation. You've also heard the racist slurs directed at him, surprisingly coming from a cross-section of Americans, despite which he still succeeds.

What does Jeremy Lin say to the racists and the dummies? No comment - No comment directed at the suits at ESPN, no comment directed at Jason Whitlock, no comment directed at Floyd Mayweather, no comment directed at certain New York radio media, and no comment directed at an offensive and racist faction of twitter users. What Jeremy Lin has said, done, and is doing, before our eyes, is truly exceptional. It is not customary, it is not expected, it is even beyond being simply exemplary. There is nothing average about it, both in and out of basketball.

Jeremy Lin can, without a doubt, screw up tomorrow. He can get caught with cocaine and a hooker at a New York City club or during a long West Coast trip. He can say yes to a date with Kim Kardashian. An old arrest warrant could come out from his past or an old girlfriend could claim abuse (It has recently been reported that he sometimes eats junk food and plays video games in his spare time, yikes!).

We've all seen stars come crashing down. We almost anticipate it now. Indeed, with all the media coverage bestowed upon him, it may come sooner rather than later. Until then, however, look to Jeremy Lin when the role model question arises. We should continue to use traits such as being "humble" and "working hard" as tests for being a role model, but we should expect more, much more. We should not settle for just these if we want to push ourselves to new heights. If we do settle, we would be diminishing the concept of role models, diminishing the heroes we cheer for, and diminishing our potential to one day become role models ourselves.

@gwillchi

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A number of comments are in the same vein so I'll add one of my responses here to address them all:

A lot of people are missing this point: the no comment issue is not a support for the thesis. It's noted, but I'm essentially indifferent to it. Moreover, we all know the story of these two players. Rose is a role model. Our city is blessed with talented and driven kids & young people. Rose is not the first Chicago athlete to make Chicago proud and he will not be the last. Our city is very lucky in that way. Rose is humble and hard working, like I stated, these are traits we all should strive for, and everything today suggests Lin exhibits these traits as well. Lin's immigrant story, and the region of the world where his parents come from, are not common in the NBA. Lin's Harvard education is, again, not common in the NBA. Lin's D-league experience and the multiple cuts he endured, to now putting up the points and assists he has put up is, again, not common in the NBA. Lin's failure to garner any athletic scholarships after high school is, again, not common in the NBA. Even his strong Christian views are not that common, but I feel this to be changing in professional sports, and I’m not even going to get into his current living arrangements. Despite all these things, or because of them, he’s putting up the numbers he’s putting up and performing the way he is. When you say somebody came out of nowhere, there is essentially no better example. I view the totality as exceptional. Granted, it's still a subjective view. It's an opinion. I may change my mind if (or when) Jeremy Lin screws up. The media may break the man, and that will be a test of his character as well.

 

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  • This is the worst sports article ever written. Are you serious about what you wrote? Or, is this just an early April Fool's Day gag? Two weeks ago, this conversation wouldn't even be happening. Jeremy Lin is being hyped right now, like he's the NBA's Tim Tebow. It's not really that admirable of Jeremy Lin to avoid responding to being called racial slurs. That's expected too. I'm tired of hearing about Jeremy Lin. I wasn't going to say anything until I read this terrible article. I'm not saying that Derrick Rose is a better role model than Lin, but don't say that Lin is better than Rose just because he is overhyped and the current fad. Rose, as you said, is humble, works hard, stays out of the media, volunteers, and has avoided being arrested. How are those not the qualities of a role model? He is a good person, helps the community, and exemplifies humility. Please, don't be so ignorant to write such a terrible article again.

  • In reply to adirose206:

    Who pissed in your coffee? Lin might be hyped by the media right now, but that makes him a very public figure for kids who are into sports.

    Great article, GWill!

  • Regardless of you're opinion on Rose OR Lin, can you honestly say that this is a good article? The article is simply not flushed out enough.

    Gwill, this is not a jab at you. Keep working at it; you'll get there.

  • In reply to itslancethedog:

    I'll keep working at it. Thanks for reading.

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    In reply to adirose206:

    i have to agree 100% this is indeed the worst article ever written i would like to know more about the aurthor like where they went to college etc. so i will know not to ever recommend that school i stopped reading 1/3 of the way in because its rediculous. who's a better role model? who cares they are both talented guys perservering in life and making the most out of their talents.. why try to rank or critisize ? stupid

  • In reply to Raphael Bennett:

    I can assure you I've written worse articles.

  • In reply to adirose206:

    Indeed, completely agree. AFAIC, this is nothing more than some wimpy wannabe journalist creating something from nothing for his own self-aggrandizement.

  • In reply to SkiDog:

    I mostly don't care what people call me, but I draw the line when somebody calls me a "journalist." Take that back.

    Thanks for reading.

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    In reply to adirose206:

    church

  • In reply to adirose206:

    first up, adirose206, Derrick Rose IS a role model. He is a role model to me. We should view him as such as I said above. Both him & Jeremy Lin are great role models. Both are great human beings. What this post is getting at in one way, and what seems to be bothering a lot of people, is if you had to pick one, who would you pick as a role model? It's a fair question for debate. It's also very subjective. It's an opinion...and being in Chicago, obviously there are a lot of strong views. Today, I would pick Jeremy Lin. Next week, Jeremy Lin might screw up. Despite what may or may not happen to Jeremy Lin, I will always view Derrick Rose as a role model. We all should. Thanks for reading.

  • In reply to gwill:

    gwill, I'm sorry but this is bothering me. In your original article, I believe it should be "You're 'supposed' to be humble" and so on and so forth. Above, it should be "Both 'he' and Jeremy Lin are great role models. Interesting piece... I'm by no means an NBA fan, and I only heard of Jeremy Lin last week, but I'm pretty much in awe of both him and Derrick Rose. They both have so much to offer as role models. Keep on writing!

  • In reply to WVgirl:

    Thanks WVgirl. I'll make the corrections.

  • In reply to adirose206:

    I agree you 100% Adirose206, why are we even comparing the two, they are both role models, and both can be looked up to. This article is tasteless and written by an amateur.

  • In reply to violetblue:

    We can talk about these things. I agree with you that both are role models. But I'll have to disagree with you that the post is tasteless. You're right, though, I'm an amateur.

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    In reply to adirose206:

    sweetheart...if you really read the article above you wouldn't be making such none-sense remarks...no one said Rose wasn't admirable...where in the article did you read that?? and no one said he isn't humble, doesn't work hard, doesn't volunteer, doesn't stay out of trouble, etc. the article and its writer is simply saying lin has more admirable traits...dude...if you didn't read/understand please don't post up ridiculous comments..thanks lol.

  • gwill! Awesome article. Loved the comment, "Presumably, the bar has been battered down so low in professional sports what was once expected is now exceptional; what was once customary is now extraordinary."

  • In reply to siblingless:

    You may "borrow" it, siblingless.

  • The real question is, what makes this a necessary comparison? Why would this even be an argument. There are going to be kids that Lin simply isn't going to reach that Rose can and vice versa. In those cases who is better then? More than that, if we are looking at two people who can qualify as role models for different reason, what is the purpose of comparing the two other in this specific manner other than to decrease public opinion about one. Unnecessary negativity.

  • In reply to theoriinc:

    I believe both can reach all kids around the world. No limits.

    Thanks for reading.

  • Funny you write this -- I was watching the Bulls game with my daughter yesterday and she said, "did you know Derrick Rose got low scores on his ACT, and everyone thinks he cheated on his SAT - He's doing pretty good for himself, don't you think?"

  • In reply to kirby:

    There is no evidence of such thing.

  • Can't compare apples to oranges. Both are equally good role models particularly for the people who can relate to them. Children who are mired in poverty can look to Rose and see that their environment isn't going to determine their destiny. And that in this time of instant gratification (heavily praised by Rappers) that hard work does pay off.

    On the other hand Lin speaks volumes to many Asian kids who aren't interested in pursuing traditional careers that their well-meaning parents desire for them. It always breaks many stereotypes we have about Asians in this country and extends the possibilities for many.

    Either way, both speak volumes about hard work. Who cares about the SAT and ACT. It's not something that anyone really holds up as what your character is really about. And if Rose did cheat on his SATs but knowledge it and has moved forward to not continue such behavior that adds even more to his creditability of being a role model.

  • In reply to namahottie:

    Thanks for your thoughts namahottie and thanks for reading. I agree both are good role models. I just posed it as a question, and if I were forced to pick one which one would I pick. We can't predict what athletes will do in the future and Lin may very well screw everything up.

  • congratulations: your SEO-whoring got this trite, unnecessary garbage listed on google's news crawl. but hey, got to get those hit counts up, right?

  • In reply to johnpdowling:

    Sounds like you read the article, felt bad for reading it, and decided to blame the author instead of yourself. Good attempt at trolling, but obvious troll is obvious. 2/10.

  • In reply to Holly:

    If anyone is trolling, its the author...why would anyone post this on a CHICAGO based website? To piss people off maybe?

    "Its not even close"

    what a joke

  • In reply to rcj66:

    If the title is bothering you, I can always revise it. It's easy. But you'll probably suggest changing it to something like:

    "GWILL is a Complete Douchebag Troll."

    Not sure if I'll let that go, but I'll consider it. Thanks for reading.
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  • In reply to gwill:

    the problem is your title doesn't match the content of your article. You make a pretty solid case for Rose being a good role model as you list many things he does.

    Also, you list only ONE specific thing that you liked about what Lin has done, the "No Comment" thing, which is debatable whether it's a positive or not.

    So it really is close. It's bush league when your headline is for shock value only and your article doesn't make it. Too bad not even some real journalists know this.

  • In reply to Kyle Trompeter:

    *doesn't match it. Need coffee.

  • In reply to Kyle Trompeter:

    ...and Kyle, being humble, working hard, volunteering, those things shouldn't be viewed as exceptional. Those things should be viewed more as the rule. We all need to do those things. We don't need a role model for that.

  • In reply to Kyle Trompeter:

    The no comment issue is not a support for the thesis. It's an observation. People are missing that.

    Kyle, you know the story of these two. I replied to one of your other comments about this.

  • In reply to johnpdowling:

    Agreed. Unnecessary comparison to Derrick Rose's role model-ability. Use an MVP that is worth slandering right now, like Ryan Braun.

  • In reply to Reginald Nievera:

    Reginald, as a blogger here you should know ChicagoNow is all about "unnecessary comparisons." Have you stopped reading articles here for like the last 10 months? You do good work, keep it up, thanks for reading.

  • In reply to johnpdowling:

    Right.

    Thanks for reading.

  • How is "no comment" a response worth glorifying when it comes to questions about racial slurs? That's a cowardly response, if he really was a role model he'd stand up for himself and the rest of the Asian-Americans and say that's not acceptable in our society! D.Rose has risen above all the gangs, crime, drugs and murder of Englewood to become a spokesperson for a city, a generation and a model of what kids should strive for. If he did cheat on the SAT as accused he only did so out of necessity because of the terrible Chicago school system that fails thousands of students annually. Jeremy Lin coming from the plush San Fran suburb of Palo Alto, CA def had a leg up when it came to education. Lin also comes from a family of privilege that Rose never had. Stop trying to compare today's flavor of the month to a man that has accomplished more and will be remembered for all the good he has done and will do. You'll never hear "no comment" come from D.Rose when it comes to something as important as racism! BOOK IT!

  • In reply to generoustyrant:

    why are playing the writer's game? just because he says some sh*t about derrick rose you have to do it back? this guy is wrong because he's trying to bring down one great human being to build up another great human being. he's wrong. you don't have to do it too. do you even believe the things you write? you think jeremy lin's a coward after all the racism he had to go through to get where he is? both of you are racist. and stupid.

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    In reply to generoustyrant:

    best response yet

  • In reply to generoustyrant:

    In terms of the "no comment" issue, noting it as an observation. It's not a reason, never meant to be. Somebody else may view it as such though.

    Thanks for reading.

  • a good article except for one thing: you don't make your argument. sure, you list several valid reasons why mr. lin is an excellent role model, but that's about it. far be it for me to tell people what to write or how to write it but i think you brought your c-game on this one.

    you didn't talk about how mr. lin slept on friends' couches while getting cut from team after team, nor did you mention his determination to make it in the nba rather than take the easier route to play in europe or china. you don't mention his strong faith (whether you agree with it or not). mr. lin's story is inspirational, if not altogether unique. so why bring derrick rose or anyone else into it at all, especially if you're not even going to give mr. lin his full due?

    i also think that you unfairly dismiss mr. rose's accomplishments as being run-of-the-mill for a multi-million dollar athlete, but there have been a few other athletes with as much talent as him who didn't make it as far as their talent could have taken them, for various reasons. one was also an alum of simeon, a forever-young man by the name of ben wilson.

    if you wanted to argue who is the better point guard, i'm all in. but in this world where the role model is an endangered species, i have a hard time understanding the merit of an argument (as half-arsed as yours was) as to who is the better person to look up to.

  • In reply to misterchi:

    see misterchi, I knew you would know the reasons why Jeremy Lin is a good role model.

    Also, never dismissed Derrick Rose's accomplishments whatsoever in the entire whole post.

    Thanks for reading.

  • In reply to gwill:

    I agree with misterchi, gwill did not make the argument he sent out to make by using the title, 'Jeremy Lin is a Better Role Model than Derrick Rose and It's Not Even Close'.
    I don't have a horse in the race - either for Lin or Rose, I just appreciate a well thought article.
    Logically, if you choose to compare two things you need to compare two things in the same way.
    Invoking Lin's 'no comments' to racism as your support for thesis is fine, but only if Rose acted differently in similar situations.
    Otherwise the your argument doesn't support your thesis.

    Also, 'suppose to' is different than 'supposed to'

  • In reply to Timber:

    Perhaps I underestimated the power of Linsanity.

    I lincorrectly assumed people would know his life story and accomplishments....and people are missing the "no comment" issue. It's not a support for the thesis.

    Also, my grammar may suck, but I don't think, "Otherwise the your argument doesn't support your thesis," was written correctly.

    Thanks for reading.

  • In reply to gwill:

    Touché on the grammar.

    Lin provides a compelling story, especially when introduced as a comparison to Rose. It's compelling enough to show up on the Trib front page and prompt all these comments.
    But my point was meant to be taken as a whole, not as a defense of Rose or Lin. If you are going to make it a point to compare Lin and Rose as role models, then you should compare them as role models.
    Throw out the names Lin and Rose and use Player A and B. If both A and B are humble, hard working, caring, etc. then what distinguishes the two?

  • In reply to gwill:

    thanks for your article, and for your comments...i look forward to reading more of your stuff.

  • What a terrible article because Rose has more natural talent than Lin he isn't an equal "role model". This is just pure garbage.

  • In reply to jac39:

    I would have preferred the word "excrement," instead of "garbage."

    "Garbage" reminds me too much of Oscar the Grouch, one of my all time favorites.

    Thanks for reading.

  • "Of course not; all of this should be expected. You're suppose to be humble, you're suppose to not get arrested, you're suppose to volunteer, and you're suppose to work hard. To actually list these as reasons for Derrick Rose to be held as a role model not only diminishes him as an individual but lowers our standards for role models..."

    It is always those who would never even dare drive through the toughest ghettos in America -- for fear their car may break down or a stray bullet may strike them -- who make these kind of wild assertions.

    In Englewood, Chicago's most difficult neighborhood to even make it out of, it is a JOB to stay alive. It is a job to keep negativity away and remain focused on the positive. The hurdles in this lane are elevated two feet higher than the lane of the average American.

    To suggest that somehow American society has a level playing field is the most ridiculous ideology; one of which many are now awakening to (see the 99% debates). Education in rough neighborhoods shouldn't even be labeled education and doesn't prepare you to fill majority of jobs. Crime in rough neighborhoods is looked at moreso as the norm than as crime.

    I don't know much about Jeremy Lin's upbringing, but I can tell you this: unless the Lin family's pocketbook and neighborhood in which Jeremy was raised are comperable to the Rose family's, these two players challenges -- in life, not on the basketball court -- aren't debatable, and certainly crowning one the better role model is irresponsible. To suggest Lin's place at the top of the mountain, ignoring the differences in the challenges of the climb, is somehow more honorable than Rose's, is just asinine.

  • In reply to calray:

    Not diminishing Derrick Rose's strength and character in the post at all. I agree with parts of what you say, and disagree with others. Both have had to fight their way to where they're at now. The post was more towards picking one, if forced to. Everyone will have an opinion on this. Thanks for your thoughts and for reading.

  • no, this is a dumb article. why pick derrick rose? derrick rose is a great role model. he's been regarded as the best for most of his life and he STILL is humble and plays a team game. that's beside the point. why tear down one great guy to build up another great guy???

  • In reply to mikeonetwo:

    In no way did he tear down Derrick Rose. He wrote Rose deserves respect and is a role model.

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    He said in a roundabout way that Rose shouldn't be considered a role model because he does what everybody should do.

    This writer is confusing role model with hero. he thinks jeremy lin is more of a hero than rose, not role model. both are great role models.

  • In reply to mikeonetwo:

    Mike,

    Even though I don't fully agree with gwill's post, he was very clear to say Rose should be respected and be viewed as a role model. Also, it's not a matter between role model versus hero... It's a matter that one (Lin) is a better role model than the other (Rose).

  • This is a pretty weak argument. What are the "unique and remarkable events" of Lin's life? He went to Harvard and he's a pretty decent ball player. I would hope there was someone out there who can dribble a ball and write an essay. What's not even close is the circumstances from which these two players arose. Considering Rose's upbringing, he is an EXCEPTIONAL role model.

  • In reply to MikeM:

    See misterchi's comment above. Actually, misterchi should have written this post.

    "I would hope there was someone out there who can dribble a ball and write an essay."

    ^^^^^there are, but they didn't write essays at Harvard and dribble a ball in the NBA.

    Thanks for reading.

  • Hey gwill, while I fully don't agree with this post, I appreciate it. I've appreciated it so much to the point where I myself wrote a response to it... If you can, read it here and I look forward to your response. Good post! http://bit.ly/wg7uYQ

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    i see you Q

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    This article is absolute garbage. "Lin doesn't overreact to things that the media says, therefore he's a good role model. Oh, and it's good that he's humble, even though I've just discredited that as an admirable trait." You've listed absolutely nothing dynamic about Lin's character, because you obviously know nothing about him. How much charity does he do? Which ones is he involved with? What percentage of society is actually involved in volunteering?

    Imagine, for instance, that you've spent your whole life writing articles (which is obviously a stretch given this article) and you've worked to be the ABSOLUTE BEST writer in the country by the end of your senior year of high school. Because of your accomplishments, you wouldn't even have to interview to get a job as Chief Editor at any publication you wish. You're EVERYONE'S number one pick for the job. Only problem is that you have to go to college for 1 year and QUALIFY TO PLAY BASKETBALL for the team in order to even qualify for your dream job. Doesn't make very much sense, does it? You could be working and making a ton of money doing what you love, which is writing, but instead you're stuck in neutral because you have to spend a year playing basketball.

    You also shouldn't use ANY ATHLETE as a role model, don't use anyone you don't know personally. Look at Joe Pa, Tiger Woods, and any public figure people used to admire. If you don't know them don't place them on a pedestal as what your child should be like.

    You want to know why people look up to him, look at him compared to his peers. Just because you say "people are supposed to act that way" that doesn't mean they actually do. There's a difference between a #1 overall pick and league MVP acting this way and some guy who's just glad he wasn't cut 2 weeks ago. Just look at Kobe, LeBron, Rondo, Garnett, Melo, Dwight Howard, and the list goes on. How many fit this same mold?

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    In reply to John Donson:

    Agreed!!! Dude didn't even back up anything he was saying and is that the number one rule when it comes to journalism, always have something to support what your trying to argue.

  • In reply to John Donson:

    All I saw was the first capitalized phrase:

    "ABSOLUTE BEST writer in the country"

    I'm going to stop there. Thanks for reading!

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    What more can Jeremy Lin possibly do than Derrick Rose for being a good role model. Lin is a good role model but to say one is better than the other, i dont think so. I think you just don't like Rose because he's black and tatted head to toe. That's the only reason I can come up with for you writing such a bad piece of journalism. The fact that D.Rose rose above "the streets" and was never arrested and decided to become an amazing basketball player instead of living the "street life" is a lot more than Lin had to do growing up I'm sure. I'm in no way knocking Lin for not coming from the street and overcoming poverity, but to come out and say Lin is a better role model as he does the exact same thing as Rose does off the court is just ridiculous and a joke at that. Now if you want to compare there basketball skills, sorry but Lin is in no way even in the conversation. And since he's not than I guess I'm done here.

  • you're an IDIOT. Derrick Rose grew up in Englewood there in Chicago. one of the worst neighborhood's in Chicago. and has kept his act together. No disrespect to Jeremy Lin, he's been great. I'm not sure what
    your angle is or your culture but this has to be the DUMBEST Article ever written about the subject of role models. You knew this was Stupid when you wrote it. You were BORED and wanted a Response, Sad.....

  • In reply to 1anddon:

    I'm going to say I was bored when I wrote this. Not too bored though. I mean, there's about 500 words up there.

    Thanks for reading.

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    What did I just read? Where do you get the nerve GWILL? There was nothing excellent or extraordinary about this uninformative biased article. *Have you studied the demographic historical differences between where Lin was born in Palo Alto, CA. and where D. Rose was born and raised in the Englewood area, one of the most dangerous neighborhoods on Chicago's South Side. If you did and do understand the lack of opportunities and the hairy challenges thrown at youngsters in one of the toughest areas in the entire world, then you never would have titled this ridicolous article, "Jeremy Lin is a Better Role Model than Derrick Rose and It's Not Even Close." If the basis of your perception of a "role model" entitles having a better ACT score or on allegations that he may have had extra attention on his SAT score is assiting your reach, I would firmly argue that is quite the stretch. Rose must have never experienced the struggles in his life that Lin did this month apparently.

    I had no clue who the writer of this article was before this and I am fairly certain that I will undoubtedly never read any of his preposterous assumptions ever again. GWILL, you are no different than most sub par (wayyyyy below average) journalists in that, you are writing for pure shock factor and nibbling off the teat at the headlines Lin is accruing. Tip of the cap to your boss and publisher because neither of them are afraid to let you exhibit poor rationality and humiliate yourself publically. If you "liked" this article because your a Knicks fan or Lin fan than so be it but, if you "liked" this article then you a dud and did not use impartial reasoning to realize the weight of this journalist's ignorant flawed statements of what athletes are supposed to do and what makes athletes who are "role models" exceptional, go pull your you head out of your you know what folks.

  • In reply to Gerald Munns:

    Wait, can a person "like" the article if they wrote it?

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    You have GOT to be kiddin!!! I dont know if you're a bigot or just someone who needs to be ignored; take Jeremy Lin and raise him in Englewood and see if he doesnt become a yes man for the gangs or the cops;what makes Rose such a good role model is because of where he was raised, all the the temptations that he was able to avoid thru the "village" raising him along with older brothers and uncles keeping undesirables away;besides, I got 94 MILLION REASONS that Lin is NO Rose....... Jerk

  • "An old arrest warrant could come out from his past or an old girlfriend could claim abuse (It has recently been reported that he sometimes eats junk food and plays video games in his spare time, yikes!)."

    Domestic violence --> Video games. Right, because that's not a leap of logic.

  • In reply to Ronaldmexico:

    Get your sarcasm detector re-calibrated, brah.

  • Here's your role model making his presence known well before Linsanity and Harvard...Actually it's pretty amusing.

    http://deadspin.com/5884316/on-his-blog-15+year+old-jeremy-lin-imitated-the-headband-fashions-of-nba-players-including-derek-fisher-and-ben-wallace

  • I think the more obvious argument against this is in the flawed logic. It does not make much sense to claim that Lin is a better role model than Rose solely on the fact that Lin didn't comment on something that Rose has not encountered yet.

    How do we know how Rose would react in the same situation if he's never been there? Granted, he is in a league where he is apart of the majority, so it will probably never occur in same context.

    I think it was unnecessary to make the comparison to Rose when you can just say Lin is just a good role model for the reasons you already stated.

    Perhaps this is just for shock value, but if you're going to do that, write something that you can support with evidence.

  • In reply to Wingman:

    "It does not make much sense to claim that Lin is a better role model than Rose solely on the fact that Lin didn't comment on something that Rose has not encountered yet."

    You're right and I didn't.

    Thanks for reading.

  • In reply to gwill:

    Except, you know, where you did.

    That's essentially the only outlier you explicitly list between the two.

    If you want to includes Lin's road to the NBA as a reason he should be a role model, it is a valid reason. However, it is not a reason he should be considered a better role model than Rose, as he too had a rough journey.

  • Lol I can't wait to get to a computer so I can educate some people

  • In reply to Realist:

    I like how you think.

    Thanks for commenting!

  • good post. I'm a fan of both. But the SAT is a legitimate thing to ask about. I love D.rose just as much as anybody but there was some shadiness going on with simeon back then.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    Evan thanks for stopping by. Perhaps a little too provocative with the title on this one (especially in a Chicago blog). I told one of the commentators I could revise it but I don't think his suggestions would be very helpful.

    Now watch Jeremy Lin get arrested with an underage hooker next Thursday. I'll have to come back here and write an article about how Jeremy Lin sucks.

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    Did Jeremy Lin grow up in one of the roughest neighborhoods in the country? You can't compare the two. Dumbest article I have ever read...oh wait I stopped reading this garbage after the first paragraph!!

  • In reply to Andy Mikkila:

    .....but you scrolled down to the comment section.

    Thanks for rea.....umm, commenting.

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    I don't really get the point of the comparison to begin with. Just because two people are considered exceptions to the rule in their field doesn't necessarily merit the comparison of the two. I think that they can each be admired separately without comparison.

    What's next, an article comparing Mother Teresa and Gandhi?

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    In reply to Chris Peterson:

    ....obviously Gandhi was better at driving to the basket, but Mother Teresa could rain down 3's like nobody's business.

  • In reply to Chris Peterson:

    "What's next, an article comparing Mother Teresa and Gandhi?"

    ^^^has this been done? If not....

  • difference between rose and lin, rose holds the record for youngest mvp ever in the league, rose carries his whole team on his back day in and day out, rose has a 40 inch vert, rose is the only superstar on his team, rose grew up on the southside of chicago where idk if you have ever been there but i worked there for 2 years and let me tell you its not the easiest of places to grow up by a long shot, not even close especially if you are doing well for yourself, puts an even bigger target on your back. yet he came out as probably the best point guard to ever play. lin is like kirk hinrich, the hype is there cus we see something different but it will die down trust me, carmello demands the ball and so does amare, lin is just a pawn at the moment. Dont get me wrong hes a good player and all but to say hes a better role model than d.rose? you have to be on crack, harvard boy compared to southside humbleness, hmmmmmmm u be the judge. Hard work and dedication can take you out of a situation such as d.roses, thats a role model to me, not some bench player who is on a streak

  • In reply to gkash88:

    I agree with everything you're saying about Rose. That's one of the reasons that makes him great. Lin's story is atypical not only in the NBA but in professional sports as a whole. It's subjective of course. It's an opinion. I do hold Rose as a role model as well.

    By the way, humbleness is something we all need more of, and I mean everyone, you, me, everyone.

    Now, if Jeremy Lin screws up one day, which he might, you can bet I'll write a post about that.

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    Rose cheated on his SAT's to get into Memphis. You need to cheat to get into freakin Memphis??? He lost his role model card right there. But he seems to be a very loving son, and a nice kid. I wish him nothing but the best in the future, and hope he has learned from his mistake.

  • In reply to LA Mike:

    There's NO evidence he cheated.

    There were allegations and Memphis conducted an investigation and cleared him to play.

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    "Role model" = "model minority". I really feel a form of stereotyping being played out when I read this article. What makes one a "role model" and the other not so much so? Every human being that lives a decent life should be someone to look up to.

    Most people are coming down on Floyd Mayweather about comments that he made, but he did not disrespect Lin in anyway in my opinion. His comments were aimed at the society the we all live in. You know that if it were a black player doing what Lin is doing he would not get half the attention that Lin is receiving, this is just the truth. Racial novelty is a big part of the story here.

    I have read many comment sections of articles dealing the Lin story and found many racial statements aimed (bringing up Lin's academics and lack of a criminal record and that black players have not enough of the former and too much of the latter) at blacks and using Lin as a weapon to go after black people as a race. Lin breaks the Asian stereotype and at the same time he reinforces many of them.

  • In reply to Chris Ferguson:

    I think Floyd's comment was seen as disrespectful because he used Lin's background as the reason for the coverage and not his game. Spike Lee of course called Floyd out on twitter and essentially said Lin was for real. But since you brought up Floyd, the man in particular has a history, as he stated once about Manny Pacquiao "Once I stomp the midget, I'll make that motherfucker make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice." Pretty offensive stuff.

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    In reply to gwill:

    It is interesting that you would bring up "Spike Lee" another black man. It is as though If something is said by one black man about another it gives that statement more weight. It reminds me of when the so-called conservative media will use a black person to say something that they feel that a white person could not get away with saying, or to make an offensive position appear more legitimate. Racism can be both overt and subtle, it can be conscious and subconscious.

  • In reply to Chris Ferguson:

    Chris, I think you may be analyzing things a little too hard here. Spike Lee backed up Lin because he happens to think Lin is for real and Spike is a HUGE Knicks fan.

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    In reply to gwill:

    You are really trying to say that Lin's background is not a very big part of the story ? You can't be serious with that. Lin is a very good player and one day he may be one of the greats, but to say that the fact that he is Asian is not one of the important reasons for the media storm that is surrounding him right now, I don't see how you can make that statement with a straight face.

    We tend to put people in so many racial boxes in this society that anytime someone perform outside our collective expectations we become amazed. Think of people like Tiger Woods or Barack Obama and you might be able to understand the point I am trying to make here.

  • In reply to Chris Ferguson:

    Chris, again, I think you may be over-thinking for the sake of over-thinking. Floyd said Lin's background was the ONLY reason he's getting coverage. I don't agree with this and neither does Spike Lee and a lot of other people. It's an important reason, but it's not the only reason.

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    In reply to gwill:

    gwill, again, why do you keep bringing up "Spike Lee"? I feel that you are being defensive by saying that I am "over-thinking for the sake of over-thinking". When you are speaking about a "role model", what is it that Lin has done in a tangible way that would make him a better "role model" than Rose?

    From what I read in your article, that if a person leads anything other than a dull and meek life, especially not the stereotypical life style (stay away from Kim) of the black athlete. They are one step away from being a criminal.

    Maybe you will accuse me of "over-thinking" things if I were to say that more than a little bit of profiling was going on in the piece that you wrote here.

  • This article is very incomplete and not very focused.

    You list positive things about DRose and failed (or purposely ignored?) to mention pertinent facts about his back round.

    The only reason you list supporting Lin as a role model is the "no comment" thing, which many people would call cowardly. I'm indifferent on it.

    It's clear you had an idea you wanted to communicate, which is fine. The problem is 1) you made very little attempt to validate your claim, 2) your headline says "it's not even close", where your article more or less suggests that it is indeed close. Without reading your headline, you could have tweaked your story a bit and you would have had a nice piece on how Lin, like Rose, are great sports role models

    If I turned in a story this unbalanced when I used to be a reporter for a CBS-TV affiliate in WA, my news director would have sent me home without pay.

    I know it's a blog, but a good blogger doesn't use that as an excuse for lazy, poorly written articles.

    If you are going to pick a hot topic, you have to step your game up, plain and simple. It's like that in blogging or professional journalism. I know which stories I could put it in cruise control on, and which one's I have to step up my game and be in top form.

    The article felt rushed, which is probably why it was incomplete and unfocused. Obviously, you have a passion for this. Keep going. Next time, take a little bit more time and put a little more work and thought into your post. You'll feel the difference.

    Can you honestly say you did your best work here? You should always ask that before posting anything, fail that, your most IMPORTANT articles. Judging on the response you have gotten here, this most likely ranks at the top of your articles as far as importance.

  • In reply to Kyle Trompeter:

    A lot of people seem to be missing this point: the no comment issue is not a support for the thesis. It's noted, but like you, I'm indifferent to it.

    To your statement about not validating the point, we all know the story of these two players that it goes without saying. Rose is a role model. Our city is blessed with talented and driven kids & young people. Rose is not the first Chicago athlete to make Chicago proud and he will not be the last. Out city is lucky in that way. Rose is humble and hard working, like I stated, these are traits we all should strive for, and everything today suggests Lin exhibits these traits as well. Lin's immigrant story, and the region of the world where his parents come from, are not common in the NBA. Lin's Harvard education is, again, not common in the NBA. Lin's D-league background and the multiple cuts he endured to putting up the points and assists he has put up is, again, not common in the NBA. Lin's failure to garner any athletic scholarships after high school is, again, not common in the NBA. Even his strong Christian views are not common, but I feel this to be changing in professional sports. I’m not even going to get into his current living arrangements. But you know all this. Despite all these things, or because of them, he’s putting up the numbers he’s putting up and performing the way he is. When you say somebody came out of nowhere, there is essentially no better example. I view the total as exceptional. Granted, it's still a subjective view. It's an opinion. I may also change my mind if (or when) Jeremy Lin screws up. The media may break the man, and that will be a test of his character as well.

  • In reply to gwill:

    why didn't you list any of these things you just did in your post? It would have made it much stronger.

    First rule of storytelling, don't assume ANYTHING. You can't assume everyone reading knows all of the details.

  • In reply to Kyle Trompeter:

    Made an edit to include at the bottom. Thanks.

  • Jeremey Lin seems like a nice enough guy, but what has he done to be a role model? He plays basketball - so what? Does he have a foundation that gives money to charity - or anything? I haven't seen him visit a school, or go to a hospital or do anything that would be considered exceptional. He went to an ivy league school - and other than that has been sleeping on the couch of his brother - really good role model. You must be trying to come up with something to elicit response for your twitter account - congrats - you did.

  • In reply to marvindez:

    We shouldn't view giving money or visiting hospitals or volunteering at charities as exceptional. We should view doing those things as the rule. We ALL need to do those things. That's one of the points of the post.

  • This is the most amateurous piece of $#!t or so-called journalism I have ever seen... Please find another job that you can be good at...This ain't it...

  • In reply to AlgernonHPenn:

    amateurous?

    Is that a dinosaur?

  • Want an NBA player who is a great role model, who does all he can to help people in need? Look no further than Kyle Korver.

  • In reply to Kyle Trompeter:

    Kyle is a good role model; talk about him.

  • What is this article even about? Why are people always trying to throw dirt on the MVP? He never said he was a role model, and I wish people would get over the whole Jeremy Lin story. Okay, he was living on his brother's couch, and?, he also went to Harvard. Other NBA players have had it a lot harder than he has, so get over it.

  • In reply to droseisthebusiness:

    Don't think I threw dirt on Rose. Both are good role models like I said. Today if I had to pick, it would be Lin of course. That may change.

  • I don't think people understand what blogs are generally used for....subjective analysis. Wonder how popular posting math equations would be? Apparently many of the commentators here also don't understand how to read-or moreover be civil in their dissent. Not surprisingly you handled it well. That said, I couldn't fucking disagree with you more. :)

  • In reply to koolking83:

    Koolking83! Thanks for stopping by. Now this^^^guy is a great writer.

  • How is it possible to compare Derrick Rose to a Rookie like Jeremy Lin? I'll tell you, THEY DON'T COMPARE. Jeremy Lin has payed NBA basketball for a total of 12 minutes and now all of the sudden he's one of the greats??? BULLSHHHHH.

    Not one time throughout the content of this supposed 'article' are there any facts and/or explanations of what makes Jeremy Lin more of a role model than Derrick Rose. Where is his sense of giving back, what work does he do in community???

    Derrick Rose is not only from an dispared community, he still gives back to it. He hasn't abandoned where he has come from nor does he feel he's better than it.

    Arrested? Only non-Blacks feel as though a person of color never being arrested is a sense of accomplishment. I haven't never heard Derrick Rose mention anything in regards to a criminal record, nor feeling proud of not having one. GET REAL!

    Derrick Rose is dedicated to doing better, and contributing to the less fortunate. I have yet to hear Jeremy Lin doing any of the afforementioned.

    What makes Jeremy Lin so great???? He avoided Racist comments and negative opinions??? SO what. African-American athletes get talked about daily, and publicly scrutinized for the color of their skin. What Jeremy Lin 'surpassed' and 'overcame' does not make him a role model. If that were the case every Black Male in the NBA would be a Role Model.
    A Havard background, makes him better than D Rose. How incredibly classist and bias is that? Not everyone is afforded the same opportunities as the oh-so precious, glorified, and overly sensationalized Lin. Not everyone cares to be.

    Most importantly, neither of these playerss have every claimed honing the desire to become anyone's Role Model. They are both athletes; bottom line. Of course Derrick Rose is better, his statistics, accomplishments, and longevity in the league will prove that. Not to mention his charitable acts are far more withstanding than anything Lin has ever done.

    Instead of writing 'articles' based on shallow, and ignorant ideals, how about you look at these two athelets for what they really are. You have a MVP and a Rookie. A man from Havard, and a man from the University of Tennessee. And what is most promient in your sad, little opinion, A Black Man and an Asian.

    Be real G Will, if Derrick Rose's presence as an affluent, talented, and respectable Black Man threatens you, compose a REAL article about that.

  • In reply to 85Baby:

    Thanks for the comment 85Baby. We'll just have to disagree. I also suggest you reread the article:

    1. I view Rose as a role model, not disparaging or disrespecting him at all. In fact, I said in the post that we should all view him as a role model and we all ought to respect him.

    2. You said: "Only non-Blacks feel as though a person of color never being arrested is a sense of accomplishment." Not sure where you got this. If you reread the article, it's actually saying the exact opposite...it's NOT an "accomplishment" to not get arrested, that's what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to not get arrested.

    3. You said: "What makes Jeremy Lin so great???? He avoided Racist comments and negative opinions??? SO what." Again, if you reread the article, this is NOT a reason that makes him, in your words, "great." Not using it as a support. I'm indifferent to it.

    4. You said: "A Harvard background, makes him better than D Rose. How incredibly classist and bias is that?" Once again, never said this was the reason he's, in your words, "better." Lin's Harvard education is one of many remarkable things in his story.

    5. If you're a fan of Rose, you should know he went to the University of Memphis, not the "University of Tennessee."

    Thanks for reading.

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