Introducing a new Bulls podcast: Dennis Podman

Introducing a new Bulls podcast: Dennis Podman

Mark Karantzoulis, Kevin Ferrigan, and Morten Jensen decided to get together and start up a new Bulls podcast. Being from Australia, the United States, and Denmark respectively, logistics were, and will continue to be, tricky.

In this first episode, the guys talk about Nikola Mirotic, Pau Gasol, discuss the direction of the Bulls, and a slew of other Bulls-related topics.

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  • Enjoyed the podcast. However, in my season-long effort to tell truth to power regarding Pau bashers let's explore Kevin's claim that Gasol pads his stats and basically just gets "uncontested rebounds."

    A. NBA top 5 Leaders in defensive rebounding %
    1. D. Jordan 32.4%
    2. D. Cousins 30.6%
    3. A. Drummond 30.1%
    4. O. Asik 28.8%
    5. P.Gasol 27.6 %

    Source: Basketball-reference.com

    B. NBA top 5 in Rebounding Opportunities- measures number of rebounds a player gets compared to the number of rebounding chances.
    1. D. Jordan 73.6%
    2. A. Drummond 70%
    3. N. Vucevic 69.6 %
    4. P. Gasol 65.9%
    5. T. Chandler 63.4%

    Source: NBA.com

    Now Kevin references SportsVu Data's analysis of "contested" versus "uncontested" rebounds. Using this analysis a Nylon Calculus sports analyst determined that Gasol had a 55% "free rebounding" rate to determine his ratio of uncontested rebounds. However, second team All-NBA player, LaMarcus Aldridge had a free rebounding rate of 60.8% (much worse than Pau) and First Team All-NBA player Marc Gasol had a free rebounding rate of 56.4%. Fellow second team All-NBA player, and acknowledged rebounding beast, DeMarcus Cousins, had a slightly better free rebounding rate than Gasol at 54.3%.

    However, how many articles have you read obsessing over the fact that Cousins, Aldridge, and M.Gasol are overrated players with empty stats? I haven't read any. Have you? If so, provide the link.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    The Bulls rebounded better with ANY combination of big men on the floor that didn't include Pau Gasol then those with Pau Gasol. That's why he's an overrated rebounder.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    In a post I wrote a while back on this subject I looked at all five man combinations the Bulls put on the floor last year. Pau was on four of the top five rebounding combinations.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    In terms of percentage of rebounds he was not.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The Bulls ranked 5th in offensive rebound rate, which somehow also elevated them to 5th in overall rebound rate, despite ranking 19th in defensive rebound rate, you know the part of the game where Gasol padded his individual rebounding stats by camping out under the rim while abrogating any and all defensive responsibilities.

    Not sure how this is even possible, but apparently, all our other shitty rebounding bigs somehow managed to make us the 5th best offensive rebounding team in the league despite more than half of them were playing on one leg most of the time.

    By the way, all those rankings are courtesy of the man himself, John Hollinger.

    Obviously, everybody's eyes deceived themselves all season long.
    If we just tortured and masterbated the numbers long, hard and fast enough we would all have seen the "truth" that apparently is only obvious to one entity on earth(pretty sure it's not God). The rest of you guys (every single other person on earth that has commented on the Bulls this past year) are just haters, whose only purpose in life is to denigrate one of the greatest seasons ever by an NBA player, and no less than the 6th best front court player(2nd best SF) in the league. Well, as long as you don't count Durant, Leonard, Melo, or for that matter, Tim Duncan, DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin... or the Rupaul of big men, or Draymond Green, or Rudy Gay or......

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Just as a point of reference here are the Bulls rebounding ranks during the bozohole years, again courtesy of "the professor", John Hollinger.

    2010-11 ORR 4rth, DRR 3rd, TRR 1rst
    2011-12 ORR 1rst, DRR 8th, TRR 1rst
    2012-13 ORR 5th, DRR 13th, TRR 9th
    2013-14 ORR 9th, DRR 11th, TRR 6th

    and in year one of the Gasol era
    2014-15 ORR 5th, DRR 19th, TRR 5th

    In the area(s) where Noah and to a lesser extent Taj dominate, ORR the Bulls average ranking was 4.75 during the bozohole years, essentially equal to their 5th place ranking last season.

    In TRR their average ranking was 4.25 during the bozohole years, just somewhat better than their 5th place ranking last season.

    In DRR, Gasol's area of speciality(camping out under the rim) the Bulls had by far the worst ranking of the Thibs era, 19th. Their average ranking was 8.75 during the bozohole years, which despite being the worst aspect of their rebounding game was still more than twice as highly ranked as their 2014-15 performance with Gasol "leading" the way.

    I realize that despite being compiled by everyone's hero, John Hollinger, these numbers have no relevance because, of course, they don't support a certain someone's opinion/agenda. As in, He's right and everybody else on the planet is wrong, you know, all star, 4rth leading rebounder, 2nd team all nba(joke) team, yada, yada, yada.

    Don't trust your eye's and thousands of years(as a group) experience watching the game, just masterbate some stats until you "prove" to the world, that you and you alone have all the answers. and as a card carrying leftist lunatic fringe member, never stop repeating the same mantra over and over again, because if you scream lies long enough and loud enough people might just start to believe you. and if all else fails, blame Fox News, because obviously, they hate Pau Gasol.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Your post demonstrates how misleading your arguments are. Not sure if it's ignorance or malice. My guess is that it is ignorant malice.

    Both Noah's and Gibson's rebounding numbers went down dramatically last year. In 2013-14 Noah had 900 rebounds. Gibson had 558. Last year Noah had 646 rebounds and Taj had 396. As a result, team rebounding suffered. Without Gasol, the Bulls probably would have been at the bottom of the league in rebounding.

    Gasol had 919 rebounds last year. The year before your buddy Boozer had 632.

    Oh, did I mention Gasol led the league in double-doubles. First team All-Star. Second team All-NBA.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    The only one masturbating here is you. It's amazing how often you use that word in your posts. Interesting how you can't even spell it correctly.

    For someone who is always telling us what an elite education you have had, your posts curiously look as if they were written by a fifth grader.

    I sure wonder what your trailer looks likes. Old pizza boxes strewn everywhere, dog crap in the corners, and dozens of muscle magazines under your bed. We know what you use them for. Maybe one day you will learn how to spell it.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Perhaps my eyes deceive me but looking at a graph on this issue it appears that:

    Gasol/Noah had a higher defensive rebounding percentage than Mirotic/Noah and Gibson/Noah.

    Gasol/Gibson had a higher total rebounding percentage than Mirotic/Noah and Gibson/Noah.

    Moreover, Gibson/Noah and Mirotic/Noah had a higher opponent total rebounding percentage than Gasol/Gibson.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Well, I suppose the only way to resolve the difference of opinion is to trade Pau. Then we would see if he was missed or the team was better without him! My guess is he would be missed - a lot!

    Pau does have defensive liabilities, but then most every Bull except Butler seemed to have those last season.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    The evidence of the past 2 seasons does not support that contention.

    In 2013-14 we won 48 games with the bozohole instead of Gasol, without any contribution from Derrick Rose and with the replacement level version of Jimmy Butler.

    In 2014-15 with a team that most every claimed was by far the most talented in the Thibs era, with Gasol instead of the bozohole, with 50 plus games of Rose and a full season of max player Jimmy Butler, plus the best rookie(Mirotic) the bulls have had in a long while(Elton Brand?) we won 50 games. I might have to check with "the professor" John Hollinger to verify but that appears to be a whopping 2 game "improvement". I'd say that Rose, Butler and Niko were each worth more than 2 games each, but even if they were only worth one extra win apiece, it appears that Gasol still didn't add any wins at all.

    In fact, speaking of Brand, he averaged 20 & 10 for a number of seasons, yet it never felt like he was winning any games for you.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    ooops, just in case the typing gestapo is still monitoring this site, that should have been "most everybody"

  • In reply to BigWay:

    To me, BigWay, the issue is simple - Were the Bulls better with Gasol or would they have been better without him?

    Obviously, fans have a wide difference of opinion on Gasol, and that is OK. I think that you and I have always been respectful of each other even when we did not agree in our analysis. (And most of the time we have agreed.)

    Jesus counseled, 'Treat others as you wish to be treated.' (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31) He also counseled, "Do good to those hating you, bless those cursing you, pray for those insulting you." (Luke 6:27, 28) You and hgarbell are both Bulls fans, right? So you should be on the same side, even if you have competing views of a matter. I encourage you both to show more respect.

    As for Gasol, if not him last season, then who? Teams are required to have 5 guys on the court at all times. Personally, I would like to see upgrades at every position, but I doubt that is possible. Did the team have a better option than Gasol? At $7 million? At least he came cheap.

    I really do not know. But I wanted the Bulls to get Carmelo or Love. Then I was glad they got neither! I wanted them to trade for Afflalo befor the deadline. Then I was glad they didn't! I felt positive about them landing McDermott. Now I am not! So, that all shows that my talent evaluating skills are weak, or worse.

    Now I feel positive about Hoiberg. But how will I ( we) feel in December? Or in March?

    I would like to see the FO trade for Gay. But we all know that trade could bomb, like the Wallace and Boozer signings.

    So I tell myself, "Rusty, if you get too upset or too excited about this stuff, you need a different hobby - maybe politics!"

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Just read today's Blogabull about how important Gasol was in the clutch last year at the end of games. In fact, everyone should read it.

    Bottom line: Pau was great at the end of close games. Much better than Rose, Butler, Niko, etc. Maybe even a blowhard like you will learn to appreciate what Gasol brings to the table.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Please see above. We all seem intelligent enough to make our points without slamming an opposing view.

    GMs are getting paid many millions of $ to make the right decisions, and they have the benefit of scouting reports and medical reports. Yet I have often felt that fans on this site showed more common sense than the FO. And more common sense than the HC. So I respect all of your opinions - but not the mudslinging. We can all be better than that.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    +1

  • In reply to BigWay:

    See today's Blogabull about Gasol being clutch and your bullshit theory is exposed for what it is.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    How's this for a bullshit theory(as defined on page one of the left wing lunatics handbook), anything that doesn't totally agree with your personal opinion. or maybe just some more facts for you to ignore while personally attacking me because that is also on page one of the left wing lunatics handbook.

    Apparently, both Noah and Rose were better in the "clutch" than Gasol, at least according to the graphic provided in that BAB article that you site.

    If you strain the limits of your open mindedness(apparently less than 6 inches) and make it all the way to the final column of the graphic and look at plus minus, you know that insignificant worthless, unreliable stat which actually takes into account play on both sides of the ball, not just offense which the article noted was Gasol's area of contribution. Plus/Minus, you know that insignificant, worthless, unreliable stat which is kind of like keeping score, which just happens to be the way that most team sports throughout the entire history of mankind have determined who wins or loses the game, which some coaches have been know to say is why they play the games at all(Herm Edwards, and some guy named Lombardi, perhaps you've heard of them).

    As per the graphic in the BAB article that you sited.

    While scoring a team high 38 points in clutch situations, Gasol was plus 23 in those 42 minutes, for a very nice .54 point per minute rate.

    Rose despite horrible offensive stats(efficiency) was plus 28 in 25 minutes, or plus 1.12 points per minute, more than twice Gasol's rate of "production".

    Noah despite being Edward Scizzorhands on offense(only scoring 11 points, albeit on 50% shooting and 100% from the line) was a team high plus 37 in 33 minutes, or plus 1.12 points per minute, just like Rose more than twice Gasol's rate of production.

    Heck, even Mirotic(.85 ppm) and Dunleavy(.84 ppm) significantly out produced Gasol during "clutch" time.

    Apparently, the Bulls were pretty good in clutch situations last year, Gasol or no Gasol. In fact, only one Bulls player had a negative plus/minus in those situations, Moore at minus 2 in 6 minutes. So unless Moore was on the floor at all 5 positions, the Bulls were money in the bank.

    It's not that I never provide any facts as you falsely claim(what else is new), (I do it all day every day, although, almost always from someone else's article, so you can't blame me for being biased), it's just that you chose to either downplay them as insignificant, worthless, and unreliable, or ignore them completely when they don't support your agenda of getting your head so far up Gasol's ass that you can see the fillings in his wisdom teeth, assuming he still has them.

  • Bring back the Dawg Tuna show...

  • I really enjoyed the banter back and forth during the podcast. Good start fellas, keep it up and look forward to future podcasts. I would like to make a comment that no one else has mentioned this year. Yes, Joakim had a very tough year last year. I believe he will come back this year because it is the last year of his contract. He has potentially upwards of $50 to $60 million on the line. This could be his last major contract with or without the Bulls next year. You don't think he is not going to go all out? If he is at least reasonably healthy, expect a good year from him. Go Bulls!!!

  • In reply to Jim Bob:

    I think the "reasonably healthy" part is the question. Noah always plays all out, contract year or otherwise.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Health can always be a major factor for any sports team. Playing the guys more reasonable minutes, especially the older guys, might minimize the injuries. Hope the coaches try it this year.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    I think part of the evolution of sports is that more and more, and across all major sports, they're figuring out that health is really the key. Many of the "best" coaches in their respective sports are known for giving a lot of rest to their players. Popovich in the NBA. The Blackhawks' Joel Quenneville in the NHL. Joe Maddon in MLB. Nearly every NFL coach has figured this out, which is why the 4th preseason game has become such a joke.

    So then you see a throwback like Thibs who doesn't appear to believe in rest or pacing yourself for the regular season, and his guys are hurt every year. Then you see a newcomer like Kerr have success by giving rest and limiting minutes, and I think you understand why, despite being an excellent X's and O's coach, Thibs wasn't snatched up by another NBA team.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Totally agree, but it still does feel like we could fall victim to a contract year from Noah this season, which could end up being very expensive with the exploding cap.

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    Listened to the first podcast and overall great effort, thanks for helping my Bulls fix in this, the dullest of offseasons. Some things I picked out though, when picking on McBuckets, I have to say that we have no IDEA what he is capable of because of the injuries. Then he didn't get any consistent minutes beyond that so I don't blame him for not contributing. Next, Rose and NOAH were both question marks and are going into this season and throughout last season. Lastly, as far as trades go, I can't think of any that we really missed out on. With Rose being out, our biggest concern was the BU PG spot and not wing depth. Also, hard to go all in on the tax when we have those question marks, I can't blame GAR/PAX. Oh yeah, and Gasol will probably not get traded due to the discount he gave us. He won't go unless he wants out. I think this year is to see what we have and evaluate the roster without Thibs. We will see who sticks with Hoiberg and who gotstago. It will be interesting. Bring on the season! Thansk again!

  • In reply to turdburglar:

    I'm surprised someone has the levity to see that when Rose was injured, there was little sense in going all out, and into the tax, to build a winner. Yet everyone laments losing Korver, Asik, etc. as if we would have beat LeBron with them despite not having Rose. "Why didn't GarPaxDorf go all out?" whine at least a dozen people who frequent this site.

  • Nice first podcast guys. I'm not as down on McD yet. He barely played last year and was battling injuries. In 2011, people were blasting the Bulls for not taking MarShan Brooks over Butler. I think we need another year to see what we have in him. Now, Snell, I think we have a better picture of what he is. Although if we could trade McD I'd be ok with that, but I'm not ready to give up on him.

  • I enjoyed the podcast, the back-and-forth banter and found most interesting the disagreement about the importance of trades.

    Trades are exciting. Fans crave them, like them when they happen, get frustrated when they don't. I just about flipped out 8-9 years ago when the Bears traded for Jay Cutler. That was the sort of bold move I wanted my team to make, that they never make. How is that bold trade looking now? My White Sox failed to make a deadline trade acquisition in 2005 and fans like me grumbled about it, just to see them win the World Series 3 months later.

    I believe it's Mort who is ok with not trading and I mostly agree with him for the reasons stated above, but the winning argument for me was, if you're going to draft the best player available every year, then at some point, you're going to have to make trades to balance out your team. Otherwise, you need to draft for need every year. The Bulls went BPA with Bobby Portis but look now, they have 5 bigs but not enough minutes for all of them, but a hole at starting SF. You address this by making a trade but this FO seems incapable of it. If they don't make a trade, they should have drafted a SF instead of a PF.

    Interesting stuff about Gasol, too. Despite what at least one Bulls fan thinks about how incredible a player he is, I don't think there's a FO in the league that would give up anything substantial to get him. A late first rounder at best and I'd applaud GarPax if they got that much in return. Despite what the stats say, NBA insiders know he's very limited player.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Roman, if by any chance you are referring to me as that "one Bulls fan" you are distorting my position. I have never thought, nor stated, that Gasol is an "incredible" player. He has flaws but he is a very good player. I just read today that the respected basketball writing team at Sports Illustrated rated Pau ahead of Rose, Noah, Gibson, and Mirotic in their annual best players of the NBA list.

    Does any poster on this board ridicule Rose, Noah, Gibson, or Mirotic on an almost daily basis? But one poster on this board ridicules Gasol on an almost daily basis. Pau, in fact gets the "Boozer" treatment. Is this fair? Let's see:

    How many free agents in Bulls history, obtained at any price, became first team all-stars and second team all-NBA players?

    How many Bulls players have led the league in double-doubles?

    How many Bulls players in the last fifteen years have had Gasol's record of clutch performances at the end of games? Perhaps Rose.

    How many Bulls players in the last fifteen years have had PERs and PIEs (Player Impact Effect) as high as Gasol's? For curious Bulls fans, Gasol's PIE score was right after LeBron James' score.

    How many Bulls players in the last fifteen years have had WARs (Wins Above Replacement) near the top of the league? And isn't winning what is important to Bulls fans?

    My position is clear. A player of this quality needs to be celebrated- not ridiculed. Criticism is fine as long as it is fair and backed by facts. But the facts, on balance, point to Gasol being a very valuable addition to the Bulls.

    And, as you know, whether another team would give anything substantial in exchange for Pau is based totally on his age. Any implication that it is based on his talent is dishonest.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    In fact, re-reading your last paragraph demonstrates your bias towards Gasol. What would other teams give up for a 35 year old Derrick Rose? How about the Celtics giving the Bulls a lottery pick for a 35 year old Noah, or Gibson?

    Let's analyze what the Bulls would get for Mirotic, your favorite pl

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    To finish the thought. You often rave about Mirotic. But what would a team give up for a 35 year old Niko. A stretch four who shoots 31% from the 3-point line. Wait, you say, he is a terrific rebounder. Really? He had a 63% "free rebounding" rate which measures the amount of uncontested rebounds a player has. For your information, that is the 3rd worst rate in the league among NBA big men. Yes, Niko has promise, but would you get a lottery pick or a starter for him at age 35?

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Pau's age has a lot to do with it, but if he's as good as you've been saying, then he would have significant value around the league among teams that are close. In reality, I think he has very little value around the league -- even just for this one year which is not really related to age -- despite what the stats and all-star appearance might say. I personally don't think he's very good at anything besides the 15-foot jumper and really doesn't provide more than Boozer did in his first year (which was actually fairly good), but he's still a great value for $7MM. He's not as bad as BigWay's ridiculing might have someone think, but I don't think anyone here is all that influenced by BigWay's ridiculing and it's generally pretty funny so who cares?

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Pau's age has everything to do with it. Remember the Bulls tried to get Pau for years and the Grizzlies turned down every package. What do you think the Bulls would have gotten for a 35 year old Artis Gimore? A lottery pick? What would the Celtics have gotten for a 35 year old Robert Parrish? A 35 year old Dave Cowens? All of them elite big men.

    "Not good at anything besides the 15-foot jumper?" You know that's BS. For example:

    1. Pau is an above average passer for his position.

    2. Pau is an above average rebounder.

    3. Pau is an above average overall scorer.

    4. Pau is an above average shot blocker.

    5. Pau has a positive real plus/minus on offense AND defense.

    6. Pau has a basketball IQ off the charts. Phil Jackson said he was probably the smartest player he ever coached.

    7. Pau is an above-average teammate. Kobe Bryant raved about his skills and his intangibles.

    8. If he is not good at anything but the jumper why was he voted second-team all-NBA by a panel of experts?

    Anybody with any decent knowledge of logic would, without ANY doubt, say that you're statement is illogical and absurd. I can prove every statement above. You can't prove your statement, and you know it.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Let me clarify: He's not VERY good at anything besides the 15-foot jumper. I don't mean he's bad at everything else. He is above average in many areas, but the only thing he does at a very-good-or-better level, at this point, is drill that 15-footer, which he's great at, and that helps make him a good scorer overall.

    Also, to your point about age, we're discussing Gasol now and his value now, to the Bulls and around the league. Obviously he's had a great career. If he's not that great anymore because he's 35, well, he's still not that great at this point. If he is so great as your listed stats say he is, then other teams would want him despite his age, at least for a one-year championship run.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Stop it already, it so obvious that you are biased against Gasol, after all isn't everybody, isn't that the natural state of being at birth for all humans?

    Excellent point about how many teams would want him for just a one year championship run. In fact, I asked something similar during this years playoffs. How many playoff teams this past spring would have traded their center for Gasol, just for the playoffs? Once you got past the first round, probably none. Since, he was second team all nba, obviously, it should have been all but one? Maybe that only holds at the small forward position, clearly Gasol's best.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Are you really bragging about a totally healthy Gasol, outranking a one legged Edward Scizzorhands Noah (playing out of position because of Gasol), 43 to 40. I notice that you didn't provide the detail on that one, of course, since it wouldn't support your agenda nearly as well as you would like it to.

    By the way where did "the respected basketball writing team" (at least as long as they appear to agree with you) rank our starting center the year before we got Gasol, #17. Is 17 better than 43, it certainly appears to be a much bigger difference than 43 vs 40.

    So, I guess it is incontrovertible that the Bulls suffered a huge drop in play at the center position this past season by replacing Noah with Gasol. So maybe it wasn't the greatest free agent signing in the history of the world. Maybe, we would have just been better off keeping Noah as our starting center(and spending $22 million elsewhere). After all, playing PF instead of center had to cost Noah more than 3 spots(despite his injury) in this ranking by the respected basketball writing team at Sports Illustrated, as opposed to the irrelevant basketball writing team at say, Grantland.

    Oh, the hypocrisy.

  • Now we get to see if Hoiberg and staff can utilize Gasol' strengths, compensate for his limited mobility and weaker D, and reduce the minutes of all the older guys.

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