Derrick Rose: It's not the knees, Bulls interested in Barbosa?

Derrick Rose sat out last night's game against the Dominican Republic after Mark Stein said he would be available to play. Sounded like it may have been a coaches decision because he didn't practice the previous couple days as Rose went through shoot around.

Team USA has plenty of depth and the Dominican Republic wasn't going to be much of a challenge anyway, so there was no need to play Rose, and even if the Dominican Republic was a super team, I've seen nothing that suggests Derrick Rose is pushing the meter for Team USA anyway.

Derrick looks like he has some speed and athleticism back, but he still looks rusty as hell as a basketball player, and it will probably take several months of playing basketball to regain his timing, rhythm, and confidence which is another reason I'm glad he's with Team USA now and hope he makes the squad.

As for his recent set back, Rose denied it was problems with his knees, Team USA seems to have some concern:

From KC Johnson's story's story:

Rose says "It's just body fatigue." Not the knees? "No, not the knees. No, no, no, no. You don't got to worry about that."

Rose said he had "body fatigue," while Bulls coach and USA Basketball assistant Tom Thibodeau said Rose had "general soreness" that is common following an extended layoff from competition.

"I'm just thinking about the long schedule that we have and talking to (USA Basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski) and the whole coaching staff, just seeing who didn't have the opportunity to play last time, why not get a little bit of rest?" Rose said. "It's nothing to worry about. I don't have anything to worry about."

There's been a buzz recently that Rose might not be a lock to make Team USA anymore if he can't prove that he's healthy enough to play games every night. In one stretch Team USA will need to play five games in six nights. If Rose needs three days off after a single game, that doesn't look good.

Rose's excuse for taking a night off in a game isn't so bad for this exhibition, but it doesn't really make any sense whatsoever as to why needed three days to recover from the last game and missed practice.

"The crowd, them chanting your name four or five times, like, c'mon, man," Rose said. "I want to be out there, but at the same time, my health is the number one issue right now."

Rose's health is definitely the #1 issue and whether this soreness is a serious topic or simply part of the process in returning is a long debate with fans. On the one hand, it's easy to note that his workload against Brazil really wasn't that high.

He wasn't driving in all game long or playing like an alpha, his level of intensity wasn't nearly what it will need to be for the Bulls night in and night out for more than 26 minutes. It's also been nine months since his surgery which other players are probably playing NBA basketball around the 4-6 month mark from.

Maybe he just couldn't simulate a game well enough before Team USA, game stress is different than workout stress, but that seems like a stretch.

On the other hand, this could simply be accumulated soreness from the whole Team USA camp. He's defending and attacking against some of the best players in the NBA every single day in scrimmage and that probably is difficult to simulate in the off-season. He could easily have some accumulated body aches from adjusting to that and wanted some time off a day earlier but didn't want to miss the game against Brazil at the UC.

Rose plans to practice today and play in tomorrow's exhibition game in NY. As I said yesterday, it's not panic worthy, but it is at least somewhat worrisome. It's pretty reasonable to be paranoid when Rose took longer than expected to come back twice and reinjured himself after his first comeback.

Bulls intersted in Barbosa?

According to ESPN Brazil they might be, but this realgm summary might prove more useful:

- Barbosas managers (Jeff Schwartz e Sam Goldfeder) had a meeting with Tom Thibodeau on Monday.
- Tom also spoke with Barbosa after the USA X Brasil game on Saturday.
- Gar Foreman is already in contact with Barbosa´s camp.
- Heat is his other option. However, Bulls interest is higher than Miami´s according to the article.

Barbosa would be an interesting choice after signing Brooks. He was clearly a very good player back in his prime, and I think he'd be a good player at the minimum. I'd take him and worry about the depth later.

Barbosa can shoot a bit, drive, and score. He's an instant offense kind of player but with all the offense the Bulls added this off-season, I'm not sure how much need they have. Brooks, Gasol, Mirotic, McDermott, and Dunleavy are all likely to be offensive oriented specialists. Brooks and Barbosa seem to overlap nearly exactly.

Still, I'll take quality vs non quality if he's wiling to come for the minimum which is all Chicago can offer. He probably won't need to play, but if injuries happen then the Bulls would be awfully happy to have him. With Barbosa, I wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls could make the ECF even without Derrick Rose.

That might be fourth place medal at the Olympics type showing, but it'd still be more fun than bowing out in round one if there is a Rose injury.

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  • As someone who just ran my first 5K in months, even with playing basketball twice each week, hill and distance training on my bike, lots of hill climbing while hiking, and so forth, I was *really* sore for about 3 days after the run. There's just a difference between training/practice and the real thing, and if you're really sore you can overcompensate which (as we saw with Rose a couple years ago) can lead from one injury to the next. So, being that Rose got sore after the first game, and otherwise looks/feels good, I'm not worried. If he needs another 3 days of rest after tomorrow's game or any games going forward, I'll start to get a bit concerned. But that first time you really push yourself in competition can cause an incredible amount of soreness, even for someone in great physical shape like Rose.

    My main gripe is that they're not being all that transparent about it. They shouldn't call it "planned rest" when it clearly wasn't planned (or they'd have given a heads up so people didn't start speculating like they are). Perhaps it's not their job to explain these things to the media/public, so I'm not too distraught. They're doing the right thing by letting Rose ease into becoming game-ready, IMO. I don't foresee any reason (outside of acute injury) Rose drops out of the starting lineup at any point.

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    In reply to kozzer:

    I agree 100...Good post

  • I would still like to see the FO package some of this depth for a serviceable SG; especially since the Bulls have the one coach in the entire NBA least likely to utilize all this depth (unless there is a major injury, in which case the depth won't matter anyway).

    As far as Rose goes...yeah, he has had lots of time to recover from the injury, but like kozzer says, going from rehab/training to actual game play can wreck havoc on the body. After these days of rest after the Chicao exhibition, I'm guessing his body assimilates pretty quickly to the change in intensity going forward.

  • In reply to BullsMan:

    I'm also willing to guess that had the exhibition been in any city other than Chicago, Rose would not have logged that many minutes. Although he didn't have much of a stat line, it's still 24 minutes of ultra high intensity activity that his body simply was not accustomed to. His minutes probably should have been limited to the 16-20 range for his first actual game back from rehab.

  • In reply to BullsMan:

    I agree about the SG. However, if the coaches and FO feel that Snell may well turn into that SG in a month or two, then we can see why they want to wait and see until maybe Nov or Dec. They will be able to offer 2 1st round picks (one is from the Kings), plus some young players to get the SG.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    Rusty, have you ever seen a NBA player who was terrible as a rookie become a solid starting player the very next year? Someday, Snell may be "that SG" but he's not going to go from terrible rookie to starting NBA player in one year, especially when you consider his lackluster college career. I'd be happy if he can contribute as a rotation player, knock down some threes off the bench.

    Package the depth, get a Kevin Martin, Gerald Green or C.J. McCollum.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    I'm not comparing the two AT ALL...but Dirk was terrible as a rookie. Granted, he was also a teenager but in his 2nd year he started 81 games.

    On the opposite end of the spectrum, what happened to Courtney Lee? It seems that after a very solid rookie year he's regressed. Of course there were a lot of factors that contributed to that.

    I'm one of the few Snell optimists I guess.

  • In reply to JPesos1230:

    Nice find. That counts.

  • In reply to JPesos1230:

    Hey, you can hope... Snell pretty much sucks ass so I'm not expecting anything. But, there's a chance that he could be a serviceable 3 and D type player.

  • In reply to Granby:

    I don't think hoping for Snell to become "serviceable" is too much to hope for, or even that he become a starter some day. But the chances of Snell being an impact player this year are extremely slim.

  • In reply to JPesos1230:

    Would that make you a Snoptimist?

  • In reply to JPesos1230:

    or a Sneptimist?

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    Eric Bledsoe is rumored to be on the trading mill. The Bulls should go after him w/ a one year deal. Trade Mike Dunleavy for Bledsoe. Phoenix could use a sharp shooter, and the Bulls could use another guy who can penetrate the defense and score.

    As for Barbosa...He's a good vet. If he's willing to play for the minimum there's no reason why the Bulls shouldn't sign him. They should also look to resign Nazr Mohamad.

  • In reply to Michael Cunningham:

    Bledsoe is a gem, but it would be an interesting fit with Rose. And, Michael, let's be serious, Mike Dunleavy for Bledsoe isn't happening. You can throw in multiple 1st rounders and the Suns pick and it's not happening. Bledsoe is a phenomenal young talent. An athletic freak. I can only see the Suns trading him away if he will not sign a long-term deal.

  • I agree. Hoping that Snell becomes a reliable, at least 30 min/game starter is hoping for a lot. In all honesty, Snell is a nice player off the bench who can do some interesting things and has good height/size/athleticism to guard the opponents best player in the second unit. The only thing that would make Snell starting caliber is if he can hit 3pt FG's at a clip of 38% or higher.

    Regarding Barbosa - I would welcome Barbosa with it if its on a Min contract. The key with Leandro is the same as with Snell - can he hit 3pt FG% of 38% or higher. Last year, he was 28% but the year before was 38% and his career line is at 39%. If he can hit 3's, then I like the Barbosa pickup because of his versatility. Though he is listed as 6'3... he's a "big" 6'3 and he's able to handle the ball a little bit and play off the ball and along side Rose (something I'm not sure Aaron Brooks can do). I'd like Barbosa more than E'Twaun Moore. I'd like either or both of these guys over Capt'n Kirk.

    I also agree with Gerald Green and C.J. McCollum - i've been pining fo those two all summer. I'd actually be willing to trade Butler and Dunleavy for Gerald Green and something to make the salaries match. Rose-Green-McDermott-Gasol-Noah with Brooks, Snell, Mirotic, Gibson coming off the bench is pretty solid. You can throw in Hinrich and Barbosa in there too.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    Let's be honest... As much as I want to see Snell be good, he sucks ass. You are right that he needs to shoot damn near 40% from deep, because he can't do anything else. Not sure why people think he can defend because I've NEVER seen good defense out of him. His feet are too slow.

  • In reply to Granby:

    Actually, I think that the synapses in his brain are too slow, as if they have smoked too much weed.

  • The most assuring thing to me was Grant Hill talking about the soreness being common. If anyone would know what it is like to come back from an injury, it would be Grant Hill. I hope he makes the team, but for how impressive Irving looked and Curry being a lock, I'm not sure he will.
    As for Barabosa, I would like the signing. Don't think he will blow people's minds, but with all the spacing on the floor he will have driving lanes. His drives to the basket are what I remember most about his game and he should be able to do that with the Bulls. I don't think he and Brooks will be a problem together because I would think he'd play SG most of the time.

  • These rumors of who the Bulls might sign are just as bad as the Cubs rumors last year of hearing the Cubs will sign Tanaka, Elsbury, Choo etc....with the Bulls.......first it was Anthony......then trading for Love........then some guard from Orlando......then Anthony again........then another guard from the Bobcats ....back again to Anthony.......then Martin......now this guy..............you know who the Bulls will sign?........Mike James......because Rose will be on the DL due he cannot play through some discomfort. .........Rose will play about 30-40 games, only against the weak teams.........then will play in the playoffs.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    You forgot the part where there were rumors that the Bulls would sign Pau Gasol, and that Mirotic was working on a buyout, and that Aaron Brooks were interested. And Lo and Behold, those things happened! Plus, we're talking about a 14th guy here with Barbosa, not a starter.

    I don't get it. Last year, the Bulls weren't in any of the rumors, people were all like "the Bulls never do anything, they're so conservative". This year, they're working their mojo toward one end or another, and now they're being criticized for being in all these rumors. And it's a lot of people saying that, not just you. They can't win.

    All I have to say is that for all their faults, I'm very glad GarPax are running things and not anyone I read on the internet, because given the confines that Reinsdorf places on them, they're doing a pretty damned good job. Remember, you can't go to Farm & Fleet and pick up a LeBron on sale. Only one team can "win" the FA sweepstakes with respect to an individual player, but the Bulls have done a pretty consistent job with building the team after being rejected by the star FAs. If Rose hadn't been hurt the past 3 playoffs, maybe the Bulls would have a ring or two (since I never thought Miami was such a juggernaut).

  • In reply to kozzer:

    There would have been criticism had they gutted the team to sign Anthony or trade for Love, too.

    The only way they win is a championship or at least signing LeBron. Otherwise, everyone will tell you how he would be a better GM than GarPax.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Yeah, I think you're right. I just get annoyed because I feel like I'm often playing the role of the FO apologist even if I disagree with some of the stuff they do (for example, I'd have gone after Stephenson instead of Gasol), but some of the criticisms are either invalid or otherwise self-contradictory. One of the reasons I like this blog so much is that Doug will call out the FO when he thinks they deserve it, and praise them when he thinks he deserves it. I might not agree with Doug on everything, but it's better than the tone of many other Bulls blogs out there where people talk like Gar and Pax are idiots who don't know anything about basketball when it's abundantly clear they are extremely smart and generally make good decisions. And when they mess up, they generally correct their mistakes.

  • In reply to kozzer:

    I feel the same way! Most days here I find myself defending the FO. Some folks here call them stupid, others call them douche bags. So when you have an opinion that they're far from perfect but very good overall, you end up defending them just to try to bring things to the middle. I live in NJ and I have three local examples of how much worse a FO can be.

    The NBA might be the hardest league to win in. Only 8 franchises have won titles since 1984. Unlike other sports leagues, once you're good, you stay good and once you're bad, it's very hard to become good without hitting the lottery.

  • In reply to kozzer:

    I too wanted Lance Stephenson instead of 34-year old Pau Gasol. As Ray Meyer famously said about George Mikan, "You can't teach youth."

    Actually Ray Meyer said, "You can't teach height." But Mikan was a young college student when Ray said that, and Gasol looked very old and slow last season. So I'm taking liberties with quoting Meyer.

  • We should all (including Thibs and the entire Bulls organization) get prepared for Rose needing extra rest and to sit games periodically throughout this entire 2014-15 season - often times as a precaution. Like it or not, Rose is damaged goods and is going to have to learn to play NBA basketball all over again, and it won't be pretty much of this season.

    Fortunately, Coach K is the head coach of Team USA and had the wisdom to sit Rose for this game. If it was Thibs decision he likely would have played Rose significant minutes. But on Team USA at least, Thibs is back in his natural habitat - assistant coach - where he can be his natural "drill-sergeant-self" and leave the important decisions to someone better equipped to make them.

  • I find it interesting that the interest in Barbosa comes on the same day that Rose is starting to admit to having "Body" problems.

    I've always been a big Barbosa fan, however, Barbosa does seem to fill the same role as Brooks except that he is 36 years(old assuming that his birth certificate is valid) while Brooks is only 29. He seems to have been always available for the past couple of seasons, so maybe that is an indication that he doesn't have anything left. At this point, as the 13th or 14th man what do we have to lose. I'm surprised that he would be interested in the Bulls, rather than someplace else where he might get more playing time, unless he just wants to ring chase, but then he should just go to Cleveland like everybody else.

    I'd probably rather have him than Hangdog, but that isn't an option, is it.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I'm not a Hinrich fan but come on now.

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