Thibodeau keeping Carmelo to Chicago alive and why sign and trade talks won't start yet

Thibodeau keeping Carmelo to Chicago alive and why sign and trade talks won't start yet

According to Mike McGraw, Tom Thibodeau is keeping hope alive for Bulls fans and doing everything he can for the Bulls to land Anthony while the front office tries to figure out what else it can do to close the deal.

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Thibodeau has played a significant role in keeping Anthony interested in the Bulls, according to a league source. As of Thursday evening, the Bulls were trying to figure out what it would take to close the deal.

I'm not sure what to make of these internet reports, but I'm going to go ahead and guess that Frank Isola who said Anthony would sign in New York yesterday just took a guess and whiffed. Yesterday was the end of the moratorium, a likely day for someone to make a decision. The Knicks being a likely choice.

If you wanted to increase your rep as an insider, then taking a stab in the dark at the breaking news wouldn't be a bad attempt. Either that, or Carmelo's people just leak different news every other day to continue to dominate the headlines. Yesterday evenings news of Thibodeau keeping hope alive is just the latest example.

Personally, I think we're at the point where no one's buying anything. I think LeBron and Carmelo know exactly what they want to do, but they like keeping the world waiting on them. They'll both decide soon, because the waiting is quickly turning from anticipation to bitterness, and I don't think either, especially James wants to go that route.

With Carmelo, I think I get it. He hasn't been a FA before as he signed an extension last time rather than making it to free agency. I'm sure he's enjoying the attention on some level. With LeBron? It feels crazy.

After all the flack he took for the decision, he's now either spun up the hope of Cleveland again or his hanging out with Dwyane Wade all day will be a gut punch to Wade if he decides to leave. I'd have thought LeBron would probably prefer to make his decision a bit more low key given how it went last time.

While it's not his fault, he hasn't even met with Cleveland, if he sticks in Miami he'll be the world's biggest villain part two.

As for Chicago, many keep asking me why the Bulls can't simply sign and trade for Carmelo. Well, the answer is, they can! However, they really need Melo to commit to the Bulls before they can begin any sign and trade talks.

New York is going to attempt to play hard ball for no other reason than to at least extract the best offer they can from Chicago. There's no way to start discussions early as it would lower New York's leverage to keep him as well as get a decent return back. If Melo chooses Chicago, sign and trade talks can begin.

I think the Knicks are more than willing to sign and trade Anthony from a practical stand point even if it isn't their preference. Such a move could mean the MLE is open for Gasol, but then that leaves Nikola Mirotic waiting in the wings after agreeing on a buyout unless he signs for the two year bi-annual exception which would be less than he could make with another team in Europe.

If the Bulls did sign and trade for Anthony and used the MLE on Gasol afterwards leaving no money for Mirotic then that relationship will go real sour. I'd expect it might mean that he never comes over. However, I also find it highly unlikely the Bulls would make such a move. If they get Anthony and have the MLE left then I expect they'll use it on Mirotic.

That said, if you feel Gasol brings you closer to a championship it might be worth hoping Mirotic simply gets over it. In other Gasol news, the Bulls appear to be the leader if Chicago doesn't land Melo. They're the leader because they can offer more money than other contenders. I won't be the first to say it but screw that.

If we have to be the high bidder on Gasol then well...

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Pau Gasol's nice, but he already shows all the signs of a big cliff fall and has started his rather large decline. There's no reason to go over two years or five million dollars on this guy. If we're not his first choice then we should be chasing someone else rather than offering huge money.

I could live with the Gasol move, but let's face it, the Bulls have a backcourt of Derrick Rose, Tony Snell, and Jimmy Butler who can defend shooting guards but really plays more like a SF on offense. They have a grand total of one perimeter creator on the roster, and he's played in 10 games over the past two seasons.

This need is SO glaring that you need to address it, and it'd be nice to attempt to address it with a guy who's not on a minimum salary deal and has some hope of being more than a flash in the pan who gets shut down in the playoffs. Lance Stephenson is that guy, the only guy perhaps, and the Bulls should work to make that happen if they don't land Melo.

The Bulls front court may not all be hall of fame bound, but Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah, and Nikola Mirotic would project out to be far better than what most teams are throwing out there and has a varied skill set. If you can figure out a way to get a total of 10 minutes and cover injuries from Greg Smith, Cameron Bairstow, and Anthony Randolph then you're set.

That's a group that has a lot of good potential depth guys on it as well.

Bulls summer league kicks off tomorrow

Is that worth bolding? I don't know, but if you want to see Douggie McBuckets and Cameron Bairstow get it on against non NBA caliber players in a game with no team play because 90% of the guys are doing everything they can to impress European scouts then the Bulls schedule can be viewed here.

From what I gather it doesn't look like the first game will be aired live anywhere, but I believe it can be watched via app from your phone, tablet, or computer. There'll be a replay in the middle of the night at some point where I set my DVR to record it.

And if you've got something better to do on a summer weekend than watch the Bulls play in summer league I'm pulling your fan card [okay, I can't back that up... ].

Do we want a resolution to this thing?

I feel like I've written virtually the same article every day this week with slightly different insignificant news based on rumors and tweets that really don't mean a hill of beans. No one's talking, and I don't think anyone knows.

The only thing worse than writing about the continued saga of Carmelo Anthony will be August when the news cycle is so dead that I might resort to a top 10 plays in the 2004 season just to fill up space. We don't want that, maybe we should root for this Melo thing to drag out.

It'd be interesting to see just how long everyone else would wait on him if he did. Would players/teams wait until August to make moves if James and Anthony just waited around? Players wouldn't want to lose the best destinations by signing early and teams wouldn't want to lose out on the best players.

It'd be quite the comedy. LeBron could come to Chicago and start dropping hints to the Bulls. Melo could go visit Cleveland and hint if they could land Love that he might come. It'd be great fun for everyone right? Maybe that 2004 greatest plays article doesn't sound so bad after all.

So when do I expect news? I refer to Phil Jackson. I expect to hear today. However, I also expected to hear yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that.

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  • Great work as always, but Mirotic can't sign for the BAE or the Room MLE because he has to sign for three years. It's in the CBA, I forget the exact page but it's right with the part about how after three years they aren't bound by the scale.

    I don't know why LC doesn't have it in the FAQ, I guess because it happens so rarely, I can't remember anyone who has done it (but I'm sure there's at least one player who waited 3 years and got more than the scale).

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    true the room mle has a 2 year max and Mirotic has to sign at least a 3 year contract however it is for teams with cap room, the Bulls will most likely be over the cap but under the tax apron making them eligible for the full mle which has a max length of 4 years.

  • In reply to paulie526:

    Yeah I was mostly referring to the BAE because Doug mentioned it in his article, re-reading it I should have put "or the Room MLE" in parentheses.

    I expect that Mirotic won't sign for more than 3 years so he can get a bigger contract the earliest he's eligible, and if he does have a fourth year I'd fully expect it will be a player option.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he signs for 3 years with the third year being a player option, because after 2 years he would have Early Bird rights. If he gets the full MLE he would be making $5,543,725 in year two so he would be eligible to make just over $9.7 million in his 3rd year.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    Interesting, I didn't know that. I knew of the three year wait, but I did not know it mandated a three year deal, that would leave Mirotic totally screwed if the Bulls signed Gasol.

    I don't expect that to happen.

    I believe Luis Scola and Tiago Splitter both waited more than three years and got more than their scale amounts.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I didn't either, in fact when Nate Duncan pointed it out to me after reading one of my articles, I looked it up in the CBA because it's not in the FAQ.

    Not that I didn't believe him, but I had to see for myself.

    And I agree with you 100%, there is no way the Bulls don't bring Mirotic over this season, which also means there is no way they strip down the roster to sign Melo with cap space. They would also have to clear enough cap space to sign Mirotic, and even with his buyout being split into two payments, that's just too many players they would have to dump.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    The thing that surprises me most is that Larry Coon didn't included this in the FAQ.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Yea, I'm not really sure why you even presented Gasol as an MLE option if we S&T Melo. There is no way the Bulls are jeopardizing their relationship with Mirotic to sign Gasol under those circumstances.

    As you pointed out we have other much bigger needs, while Gasol would be a nice pickup as a last resort, I just don't see the Bulls fascination with him, assuming that what we are hearing is true.

  • As I was typing that, I wondered if Splitter did it, and he did- he was drafted #28 but his first contract was 3 years $11 million.

  • I know ESPN is loving this indecision. Hell, most of the day-to-day stories about whose going where based on "sources" come from guys employed by them. I've resolved as I do every off-season after being burned enough times, that nobody knows nothing. The "reporters" who pretend that they do are perfectly happy to trade long-term credibility for short-term notoriety. It's sick. It's a perverse incentive. They get the page views today and nobody holds them accountable tomorrow.

    Anyway, the original point that I wanted to make was that I do want this to end. I want to see how the Bulls roster shakes out (and the other 29 teams' rosters for that matter). We won't know what this team (and the landscape of the league) will look like until after free agency. Championships. The Bulls' chances. Their new roster additions. These are the things I'm looking forward to thinking and talking about. Not LeBron hanging out in Vegas with Wade.

  • Couldn't the Rockets force the hand of James, by going back to Bosh and telling him that his offer is only good until they have to fish or cut bait on Parsons? After that deadline the offer is no longer on the table. That would presumably send Bosh to his daddy, LBJ, imploring him to decide so that he, in turn, can make his decision. If LBJ tells Bosh to mind his own business then presumably that would give Bosh enough info to decide to go to Houston.

    At this point, how could any team think that they have a shot at LBJ when he has only met with Riley? I don't think he is going anywhere other than Miami, but delaying his decision helps to mess up Houston, so perhaps that is why he didn't announce yesterday.

  • In reply to bjb57:

    The Rockets don't have to tell Bosh that, he already knows it. Everybody knows it, once they match Parsons they can't sign Bosh because they won't have any cap space.

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    In reply to Don Ellis:

    Yup, the deadline is midnight Sunday.

    Reports are the Rockets want Bosh to say yes today, and them ship Lin off to sixers and start dumping more contracts to try and match Parsons. IMO, I don't see how they can come up w the funds for 4 players making 15+

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Bird rights on Parsons.

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    In reply to BigWay:

    Thanks. I knew they could do it, but they will just have so much money attached to 4 players ESP in 2015-2016

    Well if it gets them a title, it's worth it.

  • I am pleasantly surprised that Melo is now considering Chicago, according to sources. This will definitely be a sign and trade if it's happening... it just has to be given that Melo is not signing for $17 or $18 mil for 4 years. You know he wants to get as close to the max as possible and then get traded. Thus, he locks up $120 mil over 5 years, or whatever.

    Bulls probably don't mind as much for a few extra million since they'll be over the cap. Although, they will want to keep it around $20 mil, depending on if they are taking JR Smith back, because they need to be under the apron and certainly the luxury tax this season would be nice for future flexibility. A roster with Anthony is ideal. Now, if we can get Mirotic for the MLE and a shooter like Morrow for the bi-annual, then we're golden.

    You know who could take the bi-annual if he does not realign with James? Ray Allen. Given the chance at a ring and his relationship with Thibs, Bulls would be on his short list.

  • In reply to Granby:

    But, this could all be a leak by Athony's camp just to draw attention and get more buzz and allow for a proper announcement.

    Or, Anthony is pressuring the Knicks for something... a roster move maybe? They say he already has a max offer, so not sure why else the Chicago rumors would be spilled...

  • In reply to Granby:

    Mirotic with the MLE and a shooter (SG) with the bi-annual. That's a good plan, Bulls really need a solution at SG.

  • One theory about Anthony could be Gasol. Anthony does not want to going through another losing season, so adding Pau for the mini MLE would give hopes of making the playoffs and possibly making into the 2nd round in the pathetic east.

    Taking it a step further, Pau could work on recruiting his brother Marc for the following season. Maybe Marc could even force his way out of Memphis mid-season by saying he's leaving. Thus, giving hope for a quick NY turnaround story.

    Of course, the mini MLE is only like $3 mil, so Gasol would love to come to Chicago with Anthony, or sign in OKC or LA for more money.

    There is probably something holding up Melo's decision and it's probably not definitive yet.

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    In reply to Granby:

    Why would he force his way out? By all accounts, he's very happy with Memphis and has no plans to go anywhere.

  • In reply to Granby:

    Other than love for Phil, there is no reason for Gasol to go to NY, especially for the MMLE.

  • There is something holding up Melo, and that something is LeBron. He was ready to make the Knicks announcement on Monday. Then he had Stephen A leak that he may still be in play to go to Miami (with Bosh leaving the big three for Houston). Bosh's own agent shot that down, along with every other ESPN insider, some basically pointing out that Stephen A knows this was not true. Bosh himself said on the LeBatard show weeks ago that he was returning to play with LeBron at any discount necessary (to the horror of his agent).

    Melo wants to have everyone begging him for a decision once LeBron gets out of the way. Problem is, even half of New York's fans do not want him to return and tie up max money.

  • I wouldn't mind sign and trade for Gasol as a plan B if it means we get Nick young back

  • It's hard to believe after the last Decision(to mentally rape Cleveland fans) that anybody buys these silly ass ESPN reports that James is keeping everybody waiting because he hasn't "made up his mind." Likely, he's hanging with Wade who along with Riley are trying to manipulate the market to their best advantage in personnel and to the detriment of other teams. Again, I hope I'm wrong about this.

    This bullshit, which I should have expected, really gums up the free agent process and fans enjoyment of it. Once again James (and likely Riley) are controlling a weak minded greedy and just stupid crowd. LeBron for all the deference and ass kissing should be 1-3 right now and just got shellacked by the aged Spurs. Yet the world waits on James, Riles and Co. Pathetic.

    The eerie silence to me means either Miami is trying to work something, or Melo and his agent or Phil are involved(far less likely IMO). What that is remains to be scene. When you have a simpering Bosh(who has hired a valet to park his lips on LeBron's ass), then who knows what kind of options that leaves at the "King's" behest.

    This whole process is so contrived and self-serving it really almost makes you not want to watch basketball anymore. Riley, you unfortunately are the controller of weak minds as you were with Ewing, Starks, and Knicks henchmen Mason and Oakley. Not to mention Don Quixote ring chasers in Harper, Rivers etc. etc. Or the Miami "media" who are scraped and bruised from falling all over themselves trying to appease you. Even Michael is getting played by the Maestro enabling LeBron's hand picked draft pick to land in Miami(while he is stuck with a moron who will likely never do anything in the NBA). If James is in fact ditching Riley, then I'll be glad I was wrong, but either way he's still an ass as we always knew he was despite the sell job because he's collected two rings.

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    In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Amen brother. I am so sick of these guys acting like they are bigger then the game. Even as narcissistic as MJ could be, he never took it to this level.

    LBJ is just trying to show the NBA that even after the last collecting bargain agreement that the players are still in control. In reality, he's the only one w power because of his talent level.

    He's not going anywhere. How ESPN and Chris Broussard can believe LeBron is going to Cleveland? After how Gilbert dogged him, punked him, dismissed his character, ect.......how much of a coward would he have to be to go back and play for that owner ( even if its his home state )

    If Gilbert didn't own the team anymore or gave LBJ a % of the team would be the only way he would return.

    David Stern couldn't dream of this kind of year round publicity for the NBA because that's ultimately what it's all about.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Yeah, I over did it. Sorry. Mainly I just don't like the way people far too often accept the bullshit lies the media often sells to make money. See The Decision Part I. And then the disappointment people are left with while the schemers and enablers get what? No punishment, but only richer.

    What did The Who say(old geez reference) "We won't get fooled again! Oh no!" While I don't like Lebron, I sure as hell appreciate what he did - finally. But those two posters really went way overboard lashing out at me, sorry, but those guys are jerks.

  • Side note: Spurs reportedly still in mix for pursuing Gasol who earlier said, "Spurs would be a very good option." Can't somebody say, "hey I'm not a greedy shark like corporate execs or NBA small market team owners", and just forsake an extra $10 Million when the've already made $156 Million!!?? If Chicago passes or is nixed, and Pau joins the Spurs(or OKC) I would love it. Would be fun to watch him help take down Miami again.

  • Got to hand it to Thibs for going this hard after a guy who is widely known for lazy defense! I am very impressed.

  • In reply to Chad:

    That is an interesting point. Even Thibs in his defense-colored-glasses sees the need for a shot creator, and seems convinced he can get the most out of Melo defensively.

  • If we strike out this year, I say we hold fast and do nothing, lets keep the un-guaranteed guys around (Except Amundson, he has a partial guarantee date of 8/1/2014), amnesty Boozer and see if we can do something with the cap space come the trade deadline. If not, we can try to play in FA next year. We'll have a better sense of where Rose is and I feel as if this year is his last chance health wise. If he proves himself to be healthy and at least an 85-90% shell of himself, we can just go sign Kevin Love after he opts out. Here is next years projected cap situation with all FA's renounced and Snell's option declined:

    Player 2015/2016
    Derrick Rose $20,093,064
    Joakim Noah $13,900,000
    Taj Gibson $8,500,000
    Jimmy Butler $3,013,123 (QO)
    McDermott $2,380,440
    Mirotic $4,000,000 (assuming 3yrs/$12MM)
    1st Round Pick #25 $1,025,700
    Incomplete $2,625,465
    Richard Hamilton  $333,334
    Total $55,871,126
    Projected cap $67,000,000
    Projected Room $11,128,874
    Projected Max for K Love $18,760,000*

    Love would be a 7 year vet and thus entitled to 28% of the cap.
    We'd have to free up about $7MM to get him but sending Mirotic and Butler in a S&T with Minny should help us get there.

    Salary info from shamsports.com

  • Doug, I've been reading this blog since it's inception and I believe this is your first Meme. History is being made during this free agency.

  • 3 team sign and trade

    Butler taj & mirotic to nyk

    Melo Pau & jr to chicago

    Boozer & dunleavy to l.a

    Bulls keep mle for augustin
    bae for kirk use vet min for a backup center

    Rose - augustin - hinrich
    Snell - jr smith - hinrich
    Melo - mcdermott - snell
    Pau - smith - vet min e.brand?
    Noah - randolph - vet min?

    Who knows but this would make bulls TITLE favorites not east favs. not division favs. But title favs.. The amount of lineups u can throw out there with melo at 4 with gasol at 5 .. Rose at 2 with dj at 1 .. Etc .. Cleveland with lebron love and kyrie wont be better ..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Bulls front office tooooo conservative though to have hopes but they have pieces to swing for the fence like this and be at the top .. Sad part they rather have their kind of guys like taj and jimmy then actually win a title

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    I share your frustration with their conservative approach but your last sentence is false. Nothing is better for business and profits than winning championships. You think they’d turn down millions of dollars in favor of keeping Taj and Jimmy just because they’re the kind of guys they like? No way. If it brought them titles, they’d like Melo and Paul an awful lot. The FO believes that these defense & hustle types like Taj and Jimmy are needed to win titles, and do seem to value defense over offense, to the dismay of most of us. I think they would like to make the kind of creative deal you suggested but either they aren’t that creative themselves, or they lack the influence with other FO’s to pull something like this off, probably a combination of the two.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Or maybe its as simple as they've tried and didn't have the pieces to get it done? I'm so damn sick and tired of the ridiculous ignorance by Bulls fans in regards to their front office(not so much your comment in particular, its an aggregate thing). Was Pat Riley the genius behind the big 3 coming together? Absolutely not. The players made it happen, Wade came to Riley and told him to start clearing cap space, it wasn't Riley's foresight or suave. Just look at Riley now, having screwed up the best thing he's ever done(as an exec). If Melo chooses NYK over the Bulls, do you think it will be because Phil worked some magic? Hell no! It will be because of 129 million dollars and the fact that his diva wife only wants to live in LA or NY, as well as the fact that its been his dream to play and win in NY since he was a youngster. The only beef I've ever had with the current Bulls FO was their over love of Luol Deng. What happened this year when Deng asked for more than he's worth? The FO let him walk, and that was before the whole Melo opportunity truly materialized. All you can ask of you FO is to draft well, and handle the cap in a way that doesn't paralyze the team. THEY HAVE DONE THAT. They love Taj, sure, but if you think for a second they wouldn't move him for Kevin Love, or clear him for space to sign a top 3 player, you are kidding yourself. Melo loves Taj, Taj is a big part of their pitch to Melo, without Taj, Melo's interest in coming here is severely diminished. Again, that is just a small example of who holds the power in the NBA, the players. Get pissed at your FO for over paying, get pissed at your FO for its internal issues with its coach, get pissed at your FO for horrible draft picks, get pissed at your FO for not having cap space when they need it. But don't get pissed at them because Lebron in 2010 and possibly Melo in 2014 chose not too come. And for god's sake, definitely don't get pissed that they didn't execute a make believe trade you made up. The Bulls made the space in 2010, they somehow, shockingly, to this point are one of two teams left that Melo is considering, and to be honest its incredible that they have been able to attract Melo enough to keep him from resigning in NY to this point with a 30-50 million dollar disadvantage as well as a disadvantage in what his wife wants, what Phil Jackson wants, and what Melo's dreams from a young age have been. Was it the Cavs ownership or GM that just landed Lebron? Nope. It was his affinity for Ohio and his need for redemption. And if the Bulls do get Kevin Love, or Melo, it won't be because of their guile or pitch, it will be because those guys are truly focused on the best opportunity to win now. They do get credit, because they made the picks and signings that made the Bulls attractive, but beyond that, the players hold the power and what gets said in a meeting, or proposed in a trade has little to nothing to do with it. Creativity and influence with other FO's has NOTHING to do with it. I'm sorry I'm really not directing this at you and I should probably just post it at the top. I know you have thoughtful posts and really aren't the kind of Bulls fan I'm preaching to, its just the last sentence of your post got me back fired up about my feelings on this issue, feelings that have been fueled by a Summer full of both fans and pundits ripping the Bulls FO for absurd and ridiculous reasons. Also my response is more to the comment preceding yours but I can't copy paste and hit reply above as my computer is jacked up and might crash on me. Thanks for reading if anyone does. Cheers.

  • LBJ to Cavs!

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    Shazam. Looks like the Central just got a tad more interesting.

  • In reply to Steve Merritt:

    Understatement of the day. Thib's regular season dominance will now be very important for playoff seeding in a strong division. Hopefully Bulls can manage injuries this year.

  • In reply to BullsMan:

    Great point.

  • LBJ mentioned wanting to play with Irving, Waiters and Thompson. No mention of Wiggins. Seems like Kevin Love will be in a Cavs jersey next. I am excited. Rose vs. Lebron, two hometown heroes, for the next few years. As it should be

  • In reply to piggy7:

    Yes, I'd say Love is a lock to go to the Cavs for Wiggins. Doubt Cleveland has to throw much else in to make it happen either. Irving, Love, and LeBron is much more scary to me than Miami's big three were.

    On top of that, they'll get a pick from MIami in the next three years that could become really good.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I don't think that's more scary. When Lebron joined Miami Wade was considered by most to be top 3 if not the second best player in the league at the time. Love is viewed as top 10 by most but not top 3. You can argue the fit is better but Bosh at the time was considered to be a similar caliber player to what Love is right now. Bosh was considered by better than what Irving is right now.

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    In reply to DougThonus:

    Your dreaming if you think LBJ, Love, And Irving is a better 3 some then LBJ, wade, and bosh,

    Everyone has opinions but I guess we will see in 4 years if they have 2 titles.

    A in prime wade n LeBron covering the wings is / was the scariest lock down defense.......destroyed the bulls n shut out offense down completely. Shut down Harden, Westbrook, and kind of Durant.

    Irving and love have how many playoff wins combined ?

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    That combo is better(much) going forward, not looking backward, that is why Lebron made the switch. Right now, jsut about anybody/everybody in or out of the game would take Irving over Wade and Love over Bosh

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Better right now. Not better at the time the big three first got together.

    They'll have three stars and the ability to add lots of depth too.

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    In reply to DougThonus:

    You said were. That was my point. The potential in Cleveland is much better ESP if they get love and only give up Wiggins

    I still doubt they will go to 4 straight finals, but we will see.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    What if the rumors that Lebron and Melo badly want to play together are true, then we are looking at a Cleveland S&T for Melo, certainly a better deal for NY than one with the Bulls.

    Does Lebron want Melo or Love, I imagine that he gets to chose whichever one that he prefers. FYI. I think that Melo actually had a higher 3 pt fg percentage last season.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    If Melo doesn't go to Cleveland, does this(Lebron in Cleveland) impact him coming to the Bulls or not, does it increase his desire/need to join a contender immediately.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Melo may not want that level of competition in the same division...could be a major turn-off for joining Bulls.

    Also, how would a Cavs/Knicks S&T work for Melo? Lebron and Irving have max deals...how would they match salaries in the trade?

  • In reply to BigWay:

    One of the Knicks writers said this week that Melo has had one goal ever since LeBron opted out (a week early, completely stealing his spotlight). Melo wants to come out of this free agent class as the highest paid. Meaning, when Kobe retires (or is forced into a discount in two years), Melo will become the highest paid player in the NBA for as long as he plays, and always ahead of LeBron. What those NY writers have known all along is that money is more important to Melo than winning.

  • Yes, no mention of Wiggins... Minnesota would probably jump at that deal with a pick or two... throw in Anthony Bennett, perhaps, or some salary.

    Wow. So, how does this change things? Bosh to Houston? Melo to ??????

    If we don't hear from Melo today or tomorrow, that's a good thing and he's probably thinking long and hard. Maybe working with Bulls to figure out a S&T? It's a possibility, because you know the Knicks will do it and Melo gets more money.

  • In reply to Granby:

    Sounds about right, the longer that he takes the better for the Bulls, unless he's thinking about going to Miami to takes James's place. Although, with Bosh supposedly now getting the max max from Miami, there isn't room for Melo unless Wade takes about half.

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    Road Warrior- LeBron returns to Cleveland...

    Who's "Pathetic" now? Or "Weak Minded"?
    "Greedy"? "Stupid"? And who is "Ass Kissing" now?!?! I think you are.

    You try to sound like an expert every day and night on this blog. Like u have the inside scoop to everything that's going on. Writing comments longer than Doug's articles and still getting ur shit wrong most of the time. LMAO

  • In reply to ChiTownBulls:

    Haha, he's the Chris Broussard of this blog! I told you all along that anything Broussard says is just a guess and laughable BS! ESPN is going to have to let him go after this, him and David Thorpe, in the words of Hawk Harrelson, "he gone!"

  • In reply to nolebron:

    Are you aware that Broussard was the first guy of the major media to call LeBron back to Cleveland? if anything, Espn will be giving him a raise. Now, he didn't say it was a lock until Tuesday (I said it here at like 6am Monday). But Broussard was saying 80% chance by Tuesday and 95 on Wednesday (causing Sheridan to proclaim 100%).

  • In reply to nolebron:

    Dude, seriously? Let me get this straight? You have that much going on in your life that you pay such attention to recall a one time comment one poster made about me he said was intended somewhat as a compliment. Some of you guys I swear.. you must be living the dream.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    I still enjoy your posts RoadWarrior. Can't we call get along? Seriously, it's a sports blog. Doug would be ashamed of the infighting.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    What's to enjoy, he's the one starting all the infighting because he's another one of those people who needs to be a bully in order to prove to himself that he is the smartest guy in the history of the world.

    You're right, it is just a sports blog, we shouldn't have to be subjected to people of his ilk. Hopefully, just like his like minded predecessor's, he will be run off this site by the disdain of the sane among us.

    As Hobbs might have said, he is just nasty(nasty), ignorant(brutish) and rude(short).

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I answered your questions about the draft which you pursued me on politely. What is rude about that? You obviously value my posts and opinions or else why else would you do this? Are you going to sit here and say in between your schizoid periods where you make rude ass remarks to my posts that you don't pursue me with questions? And the Chris Boussard comments you yourself said was a compliment or whatever. Dude your just a flake. And talking about how YOU shouldn't have to be "subjected" to me? And I should be kicked off this site? You definitely have no life and I am sorry.

  • In reply to ChiTownBulls:

    Hey Chitown, so who's saying media, players, and owners have not kissed LeBron's ass? Seriously?

    Let me get this straight - you're so annoyed with me over the long haul, but you've never had, what, the balls to say anything to me? And now only when I am wrong about something, that many doubted after the last Decision's BS and all the media misinformation every time one of these free agency periods occurs, that's your moment to lash out? Wow. That is some weak shit.

    That SI speech LeBron wrote by himself, not, is very emotionally appealing to a captive audience he created of his own choosing. I still think whatever needed to be worked out, to make people wait so long after last time was B.S. But I'm glad he decided to go back to where he said he wanted to be which is away from Riley(and Wade). I'm sure his M.O/rep is sincerely to be prioritizing all the kids and fans in Akron which he mentions again and again, not exiting from the championship arena he was just crushed in. One speech. My hero!

    After all the bullshit media fiction we've had to endure during these free agent periods, for once they were right. Well congrat-u-fucking-lations. As for James, when he's not pulling the many jack ass things he's done over the years, I've said post annoyance I feel sorry for guys like he and Wade because I think they are somewhat lost as people due to the usery of friends, agents, and poor parenting. Glad you read my posts you're so annoyed with because then you already know this.

    Again, thanks for your special interest and emotion you obviously invested in me. I'm glad you've now finally found the guts to "let me have it." While I've never claimed to work for ESPN or other illusions of expertise as some clowns on here have, and often go out of my way to be self-critical as in mock my own ideas or posts, you seem to garner the impression that I am to be associated with expertise. I wonder why that is? Anytime someone takes the time to quote someone and single them out, I know they are the type to be emotionally effected by posters on a blog and probably are not the busiest people socially in the world. Or the most mature/developed. But that's OK. I'm glad you "told me." Feel better?

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    In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Hey Road Warrier.... Guess what??? I do have balls (probably bigger than yours). You're claiming that I invested my time in you, especially emotionally? haha... You must think highly of yourself. You're the one that just wrote a 5 paragraph essay responding to my short comment (talking about who is emotionally invested). You not only try to be a bad sports analyst on this blog but also a bad comedian. You thrive on dissing everyone on this blog, in the media and constantly insulting the Bulls front office. And no it did not take me any guts to respond to one of your many essays. I just logged in for the first in 3 years. I read this blog daily but just never have the time to comment, even though as you stated I'm "not the busiest people social in the world" hahaha. Comes from a guy that does nothing but sits on the blog all day and is pissed off at the whole world.

    Thank you everyone for taking my side and agreeing with me on Road Warrior. Please do respond RW (perhaps this time in 10 paragraphs?)

  • In reply to ChiTownBulls:

    Im glad Im not the only one who noticed the 5 paragraph response trying to diss you on 'emotional investment' haha

  • In reply to Motoman:

    Gee, I'm sorry for my lack of brevity when a guy who I don't know from f-ing Adam out of nowhere basically calls me a dumb shit unsolicited. And now you have to get in on it. Seriously?

  • In reply to ChiTownBulls:

    You're the idiot who posted bashing me personally. Same with BigLay. That is the guy who's a dick. The one who unsolicited has to bash another poster. Not the guy who responds after being attacked. I've never claimed to be an expert about anything. You simply insulted me for what? I never instigate personal attacks the way you did. Because only losers who have time on their hands to form personal resentments do such crap. Bye lose.

  • In reply to ChiTownBulls:

    Yea, he's always been an overly self important venom spewing windbag, in addition to being the Mel Kiper of the NBA draft.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Speaking of windbags, what do you call someone who ragged on and on endlessly, including to the authority invited here to post about the draft, about how measuring players in shoes was an outrage? You literally were ragging on him over something so.. lame ass as this?? Now it's your turn to pile on after you schizophrenicly engage me with at times friendly replies about the draft? If I was a jerk about the subject why do this? You're really that pathetic? Sadly, yes. OK. Have a nice day.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I recall people seeing you in the exact same light four years ago during The Decision. I enjoy reading what you both have to say. You both have pretty solid insight. Get over it. Are we trying to turn this into an ESPN comments thread?

  • In reply to Jmax:

    Agree with every word.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    I'm sorry if negative back and forths got in the way of what IMO is beyond great news. Those were unwarranted jabs at me IMO so I responded. On my end, I never like attacks on anyone. But I am not going to stand by if someone decides to do it to me. If my cynicism about James leaving Miami was too strong to some I apologize. But the two direct attacks were just ridiculous and unnecessary.

    Despite my dislike of LeBron I do not hate the guy. I do get pissed though sometimes at things done by him or whoever else that are IMO bullshit. Whatever his reasons were for going back home only he really knows. All I know is he made my year(as sports interests go) by ditching Riley(and Wade). I genuinely like the guy a lot more after this decision then the last one I can tell you that.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    Other than responding to direct adhominen attacks from people like RW, I would challenge you to ever find a post from me filled with the irrational invective and venom that RW spews on an almost daily basis at anyone and everyone who doesn't share his world view. Frankly, I am tired of him soiling this site, and today was the perfect day to point it out. And naturally he reacted exactly as anyone could have predicted, insanely.

    As for 4 years ago, I have no idea what you are talking about, I responded to Lebron's decision with far less emotion that most people on this site, starting with Doug, who really hated him personally for it.
    My main reaction was to become a fan of every team playing Miami on any given night(pretty much the same way the I feel about the Yankees or Notre Dame), more or less what every sane non Miami fan was feeling at that time.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I've never personally attacked anyone unsolicited the way you did me today, and have done countless times. Mel Kiper? I like following the draft process and welcome anyone else's views as was proven by you who pursued me with questions more then once and I obliged. I don't appreciate either you suggesting I be kicked off this site you little fascist. You talk about soiling this site? You frickin sat there and harassed an invited guest over an inane point about shoes. God you're an idiot.

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    Hope Phil reads this article, which makes a helluva lotta sense to me, http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/11/schmeelk-hes-yours-chicago-melo-sign-and-trade-is-knicks-best-option/

    "I like the Knicks’ chances of winning a title between 2015 and 2018 in the sign-and-trade scenario more than if Anthony stays for the max."

  • The report about Lebron to the Cavs has to be fiction, as we know from several regular posters here who have guaranteed us(as late as earlier in this post) that Reilly and Lebron were scheming d-bags, just to mess with everybody. Lebron was never going to the Cavs, he was just f-ing with us. So until those guys guarantee us that their sources have now confirmed Lebron to the Cavs, I'm not buying it.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Oh come on, had they been right, do you think they would have come here and posted "Told you so?" Oh yeah...

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Guess what Monday morning QB? Riley and in the past LeBron and Wade, HAVE been scheming D-bags. Big time. Not to mention phony, flopping, nut kicking a-holes including very recently. And now you're here to what, defend them? Or be mad at some people who were leery of them pulling the same shit again? Way to pick your friends. You should be a public defender. Except your too f-ing stupid.

    All this vitriol over what? Distrust over past just out and out disingenuous bullshit? Letting teams court you when you have no intention of coming there. Fucking with fans for no reason except your own gain? And how dare we misjudge them. Wah.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    I have a ton of respect for LBJ after his announcement today. It seems to me that he's practically begging Melo to come join the Bulls and faceoff against him in the Central Division for the next four years. If that happens, I believe the NBA will return to the golden age of the 90s with Jordan facing off against Thomas, Johnson, Barkley, Ewing, Malone etc.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    If Melo would come here and Derrick stays healthy(again yes I was probably overly cautious about media reports Bulls were one of his "favorite/top choices"), but providing the Bulls make some of the right moves to get offensive talents in here then that would be an awesome rivalry that's for sure.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    I agree with you about Lebron, it is an absolutely genuine move, which just happens to enhance his image. Actually, Lebron has never really been that hateable as a person/player. He' probably a better guy than Kobe ever was. He is kind of a cross between Kobe and Shaq personality wise.

    Unless, Melo is joining him in Cleveland, it does throw the gauntlet down for Melo to find a way to compete against him. Are the Bulls the best place for that to happen, what about joining Bosh and Wade in Miami?

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    I'm no monday morning anything, I am a rational observer of the NBA, who has been right about more things on this blog than you have ever been right about anything in your life.

    Last time I checked geniuses don't resort to expletive laced insane rants and name calling as there main method of communication. I wasn't defending anybody, I was pointing out what a self absorbed lunatic clown you are on an almost daily basis.

    After today's results you needed to take a page out of Dan Gilberts current book, although even 4 years ago he actually sounded sane compared to the shit you spew here daily. Right now you should be enjoying some humble pie, followed by learning some actual humility instead of tossing your meds out the basement window and blowing the single gasket you have left.

    Anytime, anywhere, I'll compare CV's with you anyday.

  • Well, LeBron announced early on the second day of free agency, so in reality he didn't make anyone wait.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Yeah, just like Dirk did. Everyone again and again saying they expected an announcement for days. Doug and the whole world were complaining and exasperated over nothing. Doug? World? What were you thinking? Give me a break.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    You need to take a break.
    It's not opinion, its fact. LeBron announced his decision early on the 2nd day of free agency.

  • In reply to Edward:

    You added nothing to your original post. He didn't have to wait until Thursday. Period. It's a false point. He met with Gilbert Sunday and wrote the SI piece yesterday. Nobody expected his "decision" would take that long. Including Doug. The only thing I need a break from is your empty comments.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Nothing needed to be added to my original post because I was stating a fact. However, I did ad something which was telling you to take a break. You clearly need a break as you've been spewing venom and profanity here today at anybody and everybody for no good reason besides a bruised little ego.

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    The longer Melo waits the better the Bulls chances are of him signing w/ them. It's hard to turn down so much money, but Melo has given the Knicks organization plenty of clues of his displeasure for playing w/ that organization. The Knicks have made a bunch of band-aid moves to make it look like they are moving in the right direction, but Melo likes the Bulls coach, his potential Bulls teammates, and his chances of winning the title playing along side these guys...He may feel that NYC raises his legacy, and popularity around the league, but when Chicago wins, the whole world notices (Not just the bi coastal states). Once Melo is playing in a Bulls uniform, he'll notice it too.

  • In reply to Michael Cunningham:

    Going to be tough for Melo to see NY as a winning situation if Cleveland lands Love as well.

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    Now rumors are being floated by Stein on ESPN of mutual interested between Wade and the Bulls.

    How would something like this work out?

    Chi:
    IN - Carmelo Anthony and Dwayne Wade
    OUT - Carlos Boozer, Mike Dunleavy, Anthony Randolph, Tony Snell, Non guaranteed contracts, and 3 1st round draft picks.

    Nyk:
    IN - Mike Dunleavy, Non guaranteed contracts, and 2 1st round draft picks.
    OUT - Carmelo Anthony

    Mia:
    IN - Carlos Boozer, Anthony Randolph, Tony Snell, and 1st round draft pick.
    OUT - Dwayne Wade

    New York may be interested in the sign and trade since the sticking point has been absorbing Boozers contract and they'd be receiving a huge trade exception in addition to Dunleavy and the 1st rounders.

    Miami may be interested because they'd be doing Wade a solid and would get a few young prospects with a 1st rounder back. If Wade remains on the team he would probably have the Heat sitting outside the lottery in their rebuild.

    This assumes Wade resigns at about 4/40 and Melo takes max or close to max.

    Bulls out = Approximately $27 million
    Bulls in = Approximately $32 or $33 million depending on how its structured.

    Bulls would retain their MLE.

    PG - Rose, Hinrich, Vet min
    SG - Wade, Butler
    SF - Melo, McDermott
    PF - Gibson, Mirotic, Bairstow
    C - Noah, Smith

    This would put us at around $83 million I believe.

  • In reply to Leeroy Jenkins:

    Even considering Wade's decline, that is a stacked team. The Cavs would be at a disadvantage the next few seasons just due to their overall youth.

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    In reply to Leeroy Jenkins:

    Jeesh, you people and your old washed up stars like Dwade, Pau and Hinrich. Go away already.

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    In reply to Steve Merritt:

    Wade may have been terrible in the finals and missed a lot of time, but he still averaged 19/5/5 with a PER of 22 and shot 55% from the field. Which is better than any Bull last year.

  • In reply to Leeroy Jenkins:

    One problem with that scenario, if the Bulls use the full MLE, they are hard capped at $81 million in salary, so they would have to use the mini midlevel on Mirotic. That's a pretty good looking squad tho.

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    In reply to Meloorbust:

    I didn't do the exact math and its impossible to know what the exact contracts would look like for Melo and Wade. Its reasonable I'd think to get it to $81 million to form that team.

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    In reply to Leeroy Jenkins:

    Leeroy- I definitely like that lineup

  • D Wade coming to Chicago?.....why not.....why stay in Miami.....everyone left........finish your career in your hometown.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Then Bulls can have two starters with bum knees...sounds like a plan to me!

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    In reply to BullsMan:

    Rose is already on the team - nothing we can do about that.

    We would still have Butler so Wade can play Popovich minutes and the team would be just fine.

  • In reply to Leeroy Jenkins:

    I was going to say Wade could play Boozer/Bogans/Hamilton minutes...but same idea.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Does make sense for him. And Miami will be grateful to do a total rebuild. But Wade has a 55-60 million promise from Miami. Are the Bulls going to get away with paying much less?

    Btw, Miami odds in Vegas today went from 4-1 to now 100-1.

  • Next time we hear anything about Miami....it will be them having the #1 pick in the 2015 draft.

  • This just in: Dan Gilbert's son is the same size as when he was four years old. Cavs may hire Fred Tedeschi to determine why he has not grown.
    Dan Gilbert ✔ @cavsdan
    My 8-year-old: "Daddy, does this mean I can finally wear my Lebron jersey, again?"...Yes it does, son. Yes it does!

  • I'm glad to see LeBron going home as a hero. I really loathed him for leaving his home town, a once-great city that has fallen by the wayside, has a lot of problems, and badly needs a hero. I loathed him for leaving the home team that drafted him and did everything for him in favor of a glamorous city where he could just join the competition instead of trying to beat them. I wanted to see him lose, now I won't mind seeing him win.

    I think way too much credit was given to Mickey Arison and Pat Riley these past four years. I believe LeBron and his "team," as he calls them, have been driving this train all along. He wanted to play with his buddy D-Wade ever since they played together in the Olympics, now he doesn't want to play with D-Wade anymore. It probably doesn't help that the great Arison amnestied Mike Miller because he didn't want to pay the luxury tax, nor that the great Pat Riley gave a season-ending press conference in which he sounded far more like a bitter, desperate old man than one who has orchestrated things from the beginning. But I really don't think FOs or organizations have ever had a whole bunch to do with it, save that Cleveland's was woefully inept enough to result in he and Wade choosing Miami. I never thought of them as shunning Chicago anymore than they did New York, L.A., Houston and every other city and team.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    It certainly does seem like the Mike Miller amnesty really got Lebron's goat. I guess he figured if he was going to give up some(any) money then the Heat had to spend every penny they could or he was going to be pissed. What if that was the straw that broke the camel's bag.

  • I want to know what Wade is going to do now, does he want to spend his last couple of useful NBA years in Miami losing in the first round to Cleveland? Maybe he just takes a 4 year max deal with Miami and half-asses it into the sunset. Hey Rich G, where you at bruh!

  • In reply to Meloorbust:

    I'm right here. Anything you want to ask me?

  • BULLS FO - "Hello Wade, you can come to Chicago at our price, start games, team up with Carmelo and Rose, and be in the NBA Finals"......"Or you can waste the rest of your career in South Beach with a terrible team and hear lots of boooing from disgruntle displaced New Yorkers"

    WADE - "Where do I sign?"

  • Wow! Bosh back to Miami for the max! 5/$118MM!

  • In reply to Meloorbust:

    I guess he didn't answer that LeBron urgent phone call.

  • In reply to Meloorbust:

    Hahaha. I mean they have to get back to the cap somehow or they'll be stuck with McRoberts and Granger as straight up regular cap salaries instead of exceptions.

  • Here's there cap before Wade, Haslem and Birdman sign and FA's are renounced:

    Norris Cole $2,038,206
    Bosh $20,644,000
    Shabazz Napier $1,238,640 (120% of scale)
    Danny Granger $2,077,000
    McRoberts $5,305,000
    Incomplete $3,551,352
    Salary $34,854,198
    Cap $63,065,000
    Room $28,210,802

  • Well, at a minimum, I guess this means that we won't be trading first round picks with the Cav's next season, unless it is to move up one spot.

  • Firstly, how lucky are the Cavs ... all the #1 picks and the best player in the game having home ties so strong that he'll look past how ineptly the team has been run. If they don't win a title with LeBron back in the fold over the next few years then Dan Gilbert may just have won his place over Dolan as the most incompetent owner in the NBA (I'm of course counting Sterling as already on the out).

    I still think that like Bosh finding 118 million reasons to stay in Miami without LeBron rather than have a legit chance to win on the Rockets, Melo finds 129 million reasons to stay in NY rather than force his way to the Rockets or Bulls.

    If that happens, and as expected Love ends up traded to the Cavs, it's a tough situation for the Bulls ... I guess it's time to start talking ourselves into Lance. Ugh. That's such a roll of the dice ... there's a legit chance he becomes an all-star ... but there's an even more legit chance he's near the top of the "worst contracts in the NBA" list that Simmons does before the contract is over. Big question is really who lays down the law with him and makes him focus. We know Rose isn't that sort of guy ... but is Noah enough of a team leader to force him in line?

  • Really, if Melo wants to compete with Lebron not just for next years chip, but for this off season's title he has to go to the Bulls. Staying in NY and not competing this year is a non story. Going to the Bulls will catapult his name right next to James right now and for the next year every time that anyone talks about the championship.

    We all thought that LaLa was the most important woman in the basketball world. Maybe Mrs. James just didn't want hubby in south beach anymore while she was raising 3 kids. Didn't Lebron just get married last September. Maybe LaLa realizes she's been usurped, and changes her mind about Chicago.

    Just like Dougie McBucketts, I'm starting(trying) to talk myself into this Melo thing happening.

  • Holy schnikes batman, what are the Lakers up to. They just went out and blew nearly all of their cap space in one day. Traded for Jeremy Lin $8.4 million, Nick Young 4yrs $21 million, and my guy Jordan Hill 2 yrs $18 million. I guess that the Lakers agree with me that at this point it's better to have Hill than Gasol. Although, they may or may not have offered Gasol 2yrs $20 million. If that isn't good enough, then I absolutely want no part of him. Man, if we don't get Melo, who the heck will be left, JR Stephen Jackson Stephenson.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    They are giving up on 2015 FA and focusing on 2016 FA. Most likely because the 2015 class has gotten weaker and weaker by the day with Love forcing a trade during the coming season, Aldridge off the table, Parker unlikely to move, etc. Giving up is probably too strong a word, but they are at least positioning themselves more for 2016 than 2015.

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