Don't buy hype of Bulls Kevin Love push

Don't buy hype of Bulls Kevin Love push

ESPN reported yesterday that the Bulls have renewed interest in Kevin Love and are making a late push to complete a trade. The Bulls offer, believed to be some combination of Taj + Jimmy + other stuff seems more likely to be Minnesota simply trying to push Cleveland than Chicago making any genuine push.

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Sources say that the Bulls, though, have re-entered the race and would appear to be the biggest threat to the Cavs thanks largely to the Golden State Warriors' resolute unwillingness to add longtime Wolves target Klay Thompson in any deal.

Although the full extent of the Bulls' offer wasn't immediately known, it is believed Minnesota would seek a package from Chicago featuring forward Taj Gibson and defensive ace Jimmy Butler in addition to other assets. The Bulls shelved their Love interest while trying to sign Carmelo Anthony away from the New York Knicks but, according to sources, have re-emerged as contenders.

So that's the news, but this is so obviously a bunch of crap leaked by Minnesota in order to pressure the Cavaliers that it's not worth mentioning. The Bulls should definitely give up Jimmy + Butler + a couple 1sts for Love if it will get the job done, but it won't.

The reason is Andrew Wiggins. No matter what the Bulls give up, it doesn't equal Andrew Wiggins. Andrew Wiggins has superstar potential, and while I'm not the biggest fan of Wiggins and doubt his ability to get there, he still has superstar potential. No franchise turns down a guy like that for a couple of role players and picks that project to be pedestrian.

Especially a team in Minnesota's position.

Minnesota's potential trade of Kevin Love will probably net the best return in recent memory for a superstar. For the most part, teams who have a prospect such as Wiggins aren't ever willing to trade him for an established star simply because of the salaries, and their inability to win immediately.

The Cavaliers are in the opposite position, and it's a rare position indeed. With LeBron going there on effectively a one year deal, he's putting an amazing amount of pressure on them to win immediately. He's said he wants to get Kevin Love. He's failed to mention Andrew Wiggins in his letter to Cleveland fans.

Cleveland seems willing to accommodate the king, and given that he probably just raised their revenue by 50 million dollars by coming this summer, I'd suggest that's a pretty fair thing to do. His request isn't ridiculous either. LeBron James isn't old, but he's not a young guy either. He probably can't wait around three years for Wiggins to mature.

Even if/when Wiggins does, he's a questionable fit next to LeBron anyway given their best fit is in the same position and he's not a three point shooter. All of this leaves the Timberwolves in the catbird seat.

They're the team with a superstar demanding out, but somehow, they've lucked themselves into a situation where there's a suitor with only one meaningful asset to offer that has more pressure to do so than them, and might actually overpay for Love in the long run. Thus, instead of taking the package and running, they've tried to extract even more from Cleveland.

If I'm the Cavs, I simply hold firm on an offer of Wiggins and salary filler for Love. If Minnesota tells me they prefer Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson to that, I tell them to go ahead. It's a bunch of crap. No front office guy would ever prefer that. Nor would anyone prefer Klay Thompson even if the Warriors were willing to include him.

You really want Klay Thompson on a max deal in a season rather than Andrew Wiggins? That's simply crazy talk. Thompson's a good player who will get the max, and you won't feel awful about it, but you won't feel great about it either. At any rate, the pressure on Cleveland appears to have them cracking.

They're willing to dump Bennett, Wiggins, and a #1 for Love already. If this isn't enough to get a deal done, then Minnesota is just set on keeping Love. They won't get more. They should be thanking their lucky stars they'll get that much.

As for the Bulls? Sure, Kevin Love would look great in a Bulls uniform. Gibson + Mirotic [not mentioned] + Butler + Snell for Love + Martin would seem to be the Bulls best possible offer.

That'd leave them with something like this:
PG: Rose, Hinrich, Brooks
Wings: Martin, McDermott, Dunleavy
Bigs: Noah, Gasol, Love, Bairstow

The Bulls would need to find some new wing players in this scenario, particularly someone who could play some defense, but with the playing time potential opening up, they could probably be successful in doing so. Such a change would turn the Bulls from a defensive powerhouse into an offensive one overnight.

A starting lineup likely looks like: Rose + Martin + Dunleavy/McDermott + Love + Noah. That's three great outside shooters along with Rose and Noah? They'd be extraordinarily difficult to stop. It's a team with best offense in the league potential that just needs defense coached up but has the best defensive coach in the NBA.

The Bulls should put that offer on the table (they could swap Snell for Dunleavy if they really believe in him and want his defense), but it's about the best they can do, but if I'm the Timberwolves, I say thanks for driving up the offer price then go ahead and take Andrew Wiggins.

*** Update
Chris Sheridan says the Bulls offer is Gibson + Mirotic + McDermott (not far off my guess). I don't think this changes anything, Minnesota still goes with Wiggins, but if true, it certainly looks like the Bulls are going all in to try.

Any Bulls trade would need to wait 30 days from the signings of McDermott/Mirotic, but that's more or less irrelevant in the off-season.

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    I don't buy the hype either. Andrew Wiggins is box office. It's his boyish smile, accute personality along with his athletic gifts which will have kids wearing his jersey whether he plays in Minnesota or Cleveland. However, it's not just Wiggins which makes me think Love's agent is using the Bulls as patsy's to stimulate trade talks, but Love himself has to be looking at the recent additions the Bulls made at PF and say to himself "Why would I go there?" The recent signings of Pau, Mirotic, and draft picks McDermott and Bairstow to go along w/ 6th man of the year runner up Taj Gibson makes the PF position the least desired position of need for the Bulls at this time. .

  • In reply to Michael Cunningham:

    If the Bulls made a trade, they'd likely lose Gibson/MIrotic and have plenty of room for Love, but they still couldn't top Cavs offer.

  • I would be more concerned on Cavs with Wiggins (potential super tar) than with Love, to be honest. They sure would be an offense power with Love, but with no elite defense other than LBJ. This would be a positive news for the Bulls, which I hope Minnesota can extract more assets from Cavs than just Wiggins and first round picks. Perhaps they can get Varejao too and Cavs will be left with no center.

  • In reply to BullsDynasty:

    I have read a lot of posts recently about how the Bulls should fear Wiggins more than Love as an opponent. Although I understand the argument I must vigorously disagree. I watch dozens of TWolves games a year on TV, and see many games in person. Love is one of the few NBA stars that can totally dominate a game. He is probably the only "triple threat" player in the NBA in these skills- scoring, rebounding, and passing. He is ultra-competitive, on a par with Noah IMO.

    The reason the TWolves have not been better is a combination of three things: 1) the strength of the Western Conference, 2) incompetent management (Kahn, Taylor), 3) and injuries to key players the last couple of years. Put him with Lebron/Irving and you are looking for major trouble. Wiggins is two to three years away even if he does become the threat people foresee.

  • This is an off topic question. I have read so many people commented that Gasol is in a steep decline. I cannot claim that I've watched Gasol play much the past 2 years so I am not going to argue much. Does anyone that actually watch Lakers play last couple years able to comment on this? His stat certainly doesn't indicate him declined much. The only stat that declined was the shooting percentage which we can potentially blame the terrible team that he is on.

  • In reply to handushk:

    He has lost several steps and its easy to pad your stats when you are the only NBA player on your team. Let's just say he has no chance of averaging 17.4 and 9.7 on the Bulls.

  • I have never believed that the cavs have offered wiggins. Bennett plus Tristan Thompson and a couple of #1's is a serious haul for Love, and I think better than the GSW offer or the Bulls offer. Bennett has serious potential and is on a cheap deal. The GSW deal dooms MN to mediocrity. Those guys are good but expensive and make you a 35 win team in the West.

    If Wiggins is in the deal, it is a no-brainer if you are MN. I think the only way the Bulls have a shot is if Wiggins is not in the deal. The crazy move for the Bulls would be to trade Noah and Mirotic for Love and Dieng. MN could either build around Noah or trade him to a contender for a huge haul. A frontcourt of Pau, Love, Gibson and Dieng would be interesting. Sounds crazy, except Love is 26 and Noah is 30. Rose is 26.
    This is all worthless speculation b/c at some point Wiggins gets in the deal and Love goes to Cleveland.

  • In reply to piggy7:

    I've focused on Bennett during summer league and watched some footage of him.....Let me tell ya, he's got Eddy Curry written all over him. Not that Eddy Curry, if more disciplined, couldn't have been a solid contributor. But at the end of the day, Bennett shouldn't have never been drafted #1 and has a seriously low basketball IQ. I remember hearing a story that Houston offered Ralph Sampson (shortly after drafting him) for Larry Bird. Red Aurbach balked at the idea. Why? Because Larry Bird was an established star. Proven Assets will and should always be worth more than high draft picks with marketable smiles. If I were Cleveland, I would be offering my entire team up for Kevin Love. Bennett is a soon to be bust and Kyrie Irving is a poor man's Allen Iverson. By the way, I think there will be some serious love lost between James and Irving if the latter doesn't share the ball. I'm looking forward the unprofessional drama that will stem from those two styles clashing. But I'm sure Irving will learn that there is just one KING eventually. But to sum up, Cleveland doesn't even have a punchers chance without Kevin Love in the East. I'm telling you, the Bulls will do to Cleveland, what San Antonio did to the Heat in the finals. All day, Every day. Heck, the Wizards will probably shut down Cleveland as they presently stand.

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    In reply to piggy7:

    You have to be the biggest idiot I have ever seen post on here. Bulls aren't putting Noah in any deal for Love. Please do not post on here again moron

  • In reply to Jeremy Adams:

    Calm down dude, it's an opinion, no need to insult the man.

  • Doug - I admit that I was excited thinking the Bulls might be stealthily working on something - to swoop in and maybe steal Love - but having a few hours to ponder it, I eventually came up with same conclusion as you.

    One - the Bulls really dont work in stealth or plotting mode. Two - it makes more sense that this is coming from Minny as a way to pressure Cavs to up or firm the offer. The Cavs trade of non-guarantees makes me think that a Cavs-TWolves deal is inching closer to being done, even if it might not be complete till next month.

    As for the Bulls, they are once again being used to gain leverage. It really sucks being in this position but GarPax has become the target of these games more often than not because they are often too passive. Unfortunately, I think the Bulls are content with another safe offseason that doesn't see them part with their "precious core" who are so overvalued in their eyes. All the talk of Bulls being ready to move guys like Butler or Gibson or Noah to get stars or better players was all for talk. There are still moves to be made and though they have improved their objective of getting shooting, there remains one GLARING area that needs attention - a secondary shot creator - but maybe the Bulls will address that next offseason as they only seem to be able to take on completing one objective at a time.

    There's no progressive, forward-thinking, market exploitative plan in place and we'll probably be another excellent regular season team that gets bounced in the second round of the playoffs. This FO has once again put its contending hopes on the slimmest of margins, grinding out games, great health and a lot of things going right. And Bulls fans will get all excited, hyped up, only to be disappointed again.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    I fully agree I know Doug sees this team as legit threat to go all the way but I still think we are still a one dimensional offense. Shooters are great but if they can't generate open looks because you only have one guy whose a threat to take you off the dribble then it will be another grind it out playoffs. Hopefully I am wrong but this team still seems painfully easy to scheme against. No doubt they will probably be a top two seed with their depth but make no mistake these are NOT the Spurs of the east. Jimmy is no Manu and McDermott is no Kawhi Leonard.

    I 100% agree that all the Bulls fans will be thinking this is the year by the end of the regular season only to find out that we are still not built for playoff ball. It's just such a glaring flaw that GarPax has refused to address and I think they don't get it. It's just too easy to say they haven't been in a position to make those moves but just this year they chose Kirk over DJ and Pau over Lance. They didn't go after OJ Mayo when he was available instead they almost always go old.

  • In reply to Chad:

    Finally! Someone else who gets it!

    We are not Spurs East. We dont have a Manu type player shot creator, who can create on his own, hit outside shots and find others. And unless Butler greatly improved offensively, we dont have an 2-way star in the making like Kawhi Leonard. AND we dont have a big picture thinking, pulse of the team coach like Pop with a progressive offense, doesn't always point to his defensive lapses when his offense sucks.

    Time for Bulls fans to wake up!

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    You wrote, "GarPax has become the target of these games more often than not because they are often too passive." Not this time. They are in the conversation because they have a lot of pieces to offer in a trade for Love! So, they are trying to make this happen.

    However, Gibson, Mirotic, and McDermott could be too much to give up for Love. Why? Because Taj can be a strong starter on both O and D, and M and M could be a pair of All-stars that bring a title to Chicago. And all 3 are on good contracts for Chi. I am afraid Minny may take the Bulls' offer, it the rumor is legit.

    Plus, if the health of Rose does not hold up, then if M and M do develop nicely the Bulls might only need someone like Afflalo next year to challenge for the ECF. In fact, with the addition of M and M plus Gasol, that might even happen this year if Rose is done.

    I do think Rose will be good this year, however. If so, Chi will be contending with or without the trade for Love.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    Don't be upset that the Bulls are being used as leverage. In fact, I believe that the Bulls would do so voluntarily. Because that leverage is being applied against their top division/conference rival now and in the forseeable future. It's basically a given that Love will end up on the Cavs. But whatever contributes to the Wolves extracting a higher price for him is a benefit to the Bulls as well.

  • In reply to caffeiNater:

    It is definitely a great point but one could also argue that the Bulls might certainly affect the stalemate with the Cavs and Warriors for their refusal to include Wiggins and Thompson in their respective deals. There is a chance that the Twolves stand pat until one team caves and they could potentially wait even till the trade deadline when more teams can get involved. As a Bulls fan, I'd either want Love for the Bulls and then GS. If only both are out, then yes, my drummed up interest would help Minny extricate as many assets as possible.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    In this case there is nothing wrong with being used for leverage if you divisional rival is forced to sacrifice more talent.

  • The Bulls roster is basically set as it is, we've all known that for a while. This is not a championship roster, let's compare it to a Lakers roster that did win two championships:

    Kobe > Rose
    Pau then > Pau now
    Bynum = Noah (maybe Noah's a tad better but only a tad, Bynum was awfully good back then)
    Fisher = Butler (I'd take Fisher but let's call it even)
    Ariza/Artest > Dunleavy or McDermott or whomever

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Kobe > Tony Parker
    Pau > Splitter
    Bynum = Duncan (old Duncan)
    Fisher = Danny Green
    Ariza/Artest = or > Leonard
    This years Spurs team isn't as good as that Laker team. What does that have to do with next season.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Interesting points... maybe you don't need as much to win now as you did then.

  • This is a losing proposition for LeBron. And for Cleveland. LeBron should have mentioned Wiggins in that letter and played his hand a bit better. Now, everyone knows that he is pressuring the Cavs to do this deal just like he pressured Miami to draft Napier, a 5'10" PG that would not have even been a 2nd round pick if it weren't for a few good tourney games.

    Wiggins can shoot. He is a high level defender already. Why not keep him and let him develop. And draft 3 more guys next year - or trade a pick for a vet? Wiggins is the real deal and cap friendly until LeBron is 35. He could rival Butler as the game's most elite wing defender now.

  • Media reports Bulls have offered Taj Gibson, Nikola Mirotic and Doug McDermott to Twolves for K.Love.

    Hell no!

  • In reply to Sluggers:

    Why not? A role player and two prospects for one of the top 10 players in the NBA sounds like a good deal for the Bulls.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    "Why not?" Because, Roman, one of the "prospects" is the third highest scorer in NCAA history! And the other is a young Euro MVP candidate who is also a deadly shooter. And the two will come cheaper than Love for 3 years.

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    In reply to Sluggers:

    They have to wait 30 days after the signing dates to trade McD or Mirotic; hopefully, it'll give the FO time to pull their heads out and take this ludicrously ridiculous offer off the table. For the way the Bulls are currently constructed, the oft-injured Love wouldn't even be my first pick off the Twolves' roster (I'd take Kevin Martin in a heartbeat).

  • In reply to Steve Merritt:

    You'd take the also oft injured Kevin Martin, who is 6 years older, and an even worse defender than Kevin Love? You can not be serious.

  • In reply to Sluggers:

    I am a big fan of Love (see above) but I agree that is too much. I think McDermott can be something special. Less enthusiastic about Mirotic. I would give them Mirotic, Snell, and the Sacto pick. If necessary, I would also send Taj. That would be my limit.

  • In reply to Sluggers:

    If this is true, I've got only 4 Letters for you.... ADED... thats All Day Every Day.

    The easiest way to look at this is... is Taj, Nikola or Doug going to ever make an All-Star team or be a Top 10 player in the league? Not likely and No. Are they the missing link or superstar that puts you over the top to getting a championship? No. Then its pretty clear. This is starting to sound like Luol Deng-Kobe Bryant trade rumors and Bulls fans scared to trade Deng because Deng was still an unknown... lol.

    If you walk away from a trade with the best player in the trade, you win 9 out of 10 trades. This is not hard people.... you make that deal ALL DAY EVERY DAY!!!

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    Good point. I like that... ADED!

  • In reply to Sluggers:

    I'd do it.

    Mirotic is the centrepiece of the deal, a guy that the Bulls hope will develop into a poor man's Kevin Love minus the rebounding. Love is only two years older, so it's not like it's even young for old. It's cashing in a prospect for someone who is right now more than what you even hope for the prospect to be. To me this is a simple decision, maybe Mirotic becomes a star, but there's a very big chance that his value is never going to be higher than before he plays an NBA game. Cashing in on him now is the right move.

    Gibson has been great on the Bulls, but if Love is playing 36 a night at PF then Gibson's role is going to be pretty small, so it makes sense to include him in the deal. He's 29, you stick him on the bench and his numbers go down then he's not fetching you much if you keep him.

    If you're getting Love it's a win now move, McDermott as a rookie is always going to be available in such a move. Prefer to keep him but if it's what it takes, it's what it takes. Sign a vet who can shoot and move on. It's not like anyone thinks McDermott is going to be a star that burns you for letting him go, he'll be a solid role player.

    This is the move everyone has been wanting the Bulls to make for years - consolidate three good players into one great player. No point getting nervous about pulling the trigger when the moment arrives. Rose/Love/Noah is a championship core, they're not just three all-stars they actually have games that fit together. There will always be the "if healthy" concerns, but any roster with Rose is going to have that question.

    That said, if I'm Minny I still take Wiggins - you always take the guy who has the potential to be a star and you'll have on a rookie contract for 4 years. If Love goes then there's no point tread milling. But hey, if they made good decisions they wouldn't be in the position where Love wanted to leave anyway, so I guess there's hope.

  • So now we're "threatening" the Cavs as rivals to steal away Kevin Love. It just doesn't end. Why is it that the Bulls seem to get used like a dish rag every time some NBA franchise wants bargaining leverage? Possible answers: Major market hype(money), post Jordan void, Rose contender hype(hype being more so post injuries), and less then savvy management(viewed by some) in Gar/Pax.

    While I piled on the media distrust aka Riley hate with the James to Cleveland story(admittedly to ad nauseam), still more times then not these "reports" involving the Bulls such as Carmelo simply don't come to fruition. So let me say with finality that Kevin Love is NOT coming to the Bulls. That way, similar to the Cleveland stunner(to many anyway) maybe it will actually come true.

  • So who would be willing to take the bench role? Did Gasol not say he was promised a starting role.

  • 22, 27, 64. That's how many games Love missed in three of his six years. Is he really who you want to pair with Rose? I don't doubt that Love is really, really good. The way so many have turned on Rose, how will they react to Love if he misses a big chunk of games again?

  • Ah, the whine always flows freely in Chicago!

    A. Making a trade offer (or a FA contract offer) that isn't accepted is not a sin.

    B. Since no one really knows what the Cavs or GS is currently offering assuming rejection and letting it stop you from making the best offer you are willing to make is stupid.

    C. If Love to the Cavs is truly inevetable, it is (almost) as much in Bulls interest as Minny's for the 'Wolves to extract as much from them as possible. So speculating who is "using" who to do so is as pointless as it is speculative.

    In the end Doug is correct. Bulls fans shouldn't get too hopeful Love will be in a Bulls uni. (And besides, as we've already retired one Love's jersey, it would get too confusing for another to come along!)

    But I have a question. I know the media hype machine has been telling us from his cradle days that Wiggins is a franchise player who will land on the NBA's Mt. Rushmore before he's done. But he was an ok college player and a so-so summer league player . Doug says he's not a fan and doubts his ability to deliver on the hype, and I can understand that. Where is the evidence to support the other side?

  • In reply to Huskerpowerforward:

    When Wiggins scored 4 points in the biggest game of his brief college career, Coach Self said that is Andrew Wiggins, he always leaves you wanting more.

    Super athlete, questionable heart.

  • In reply to Huskerpowerforward:

    In terms of other side, are you talking about his ability to be a superstar? If so, I think you look at the following:

    Elite althleticism, size and length
    Elite defender
    Good, pure shooter

    Cons:
    He may not have the alpha dog gene
    He is inconsistent.

    But, he is 19! He was 18 for almost the entire college basketball season. Would Michael Jordan at 17-18-19 have knocked our socks off if his hype machine was like that of Wiggins?

    On the Cavs with James and Irving, Wiggins could develop without such scrutiny. He could be special and challenge MJ, Duncan, Kobe for ring count.

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    Not many like the idea, Trib poll is 80-20 AGAINST Gibson/McD/Mirotic package for Love, http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-vote-too-much-for-kevin-love-20140723,0,3538750,post.poll

  • In reply to Steve Merritt:

    Because generally Bulls fans couldn't tell talent and a good deal if it slapped them in the face.

    Chicago has always had a soft spot for the underdog, do-good, try-hard, grinder, lunch pail guy or the young prospect/rookie that has potential over a guy that is just plain more proven and talented. It is a sickness that runs rampant across all Chicago sports teams.

    Kudos to the Bulls FO if this indeed is true and they really are going for it. I would have retract all the bad things I've been saying all offseason but I'd be glad to do so if they got it done.

  • In reply to Steve Merritt:

    I am surprised that fans haven't seen enough of the try-hard Bulls.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Its almost a sense of pride that Chicago fans get... to root for a team has to grind and lunch pail it out to win a championship (which almost never happens) but they fail to see that the teams that have won consistently, 90' Bulls, '10-'14 Blackhawks are teams that were just the most talented. Winning wasn't a grinding and try-hard... it really is a disease of the mindset.

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  • Is everybody here nuts? Trade away McDermott, trade away Mirotic, trade away Gibson, Snell, and draft picks for K. Love? What are all of you smoking, drinking, or chewing? The Bulls are good just like they are now--with Championship written all over them--why trade for anybody including love who cannot replace those four positions? He can only play one position guys and his defense is suspect.

  • In reply to penwit1:

    Dead on! Too much potential to give up for Love. I could see Mirotic or McDermott, but not both.

  • Like most seasoned fans, I'm barely giving this new Love rumor the time of day. That said, I'd trade any number of the parts talked about for Love. Fans over-coveted Luol Deng for years and in the end he got traded for a couple second round picks. You've got to cash it all in for a proven superstar if you can.

  • In reply to Hunter:

    Agreed. At 1st I was against a potential trade for Love, but the guy is a proven star and that's something we need. I'm tired of watching the Bulls try and groom potential and win regular season games with only defense, then get swept in the 1st round of the playoffs. I think getting Love would be a step in the right direction and would give up almost any combination to get the deal done.

  • Trade for a shooting guard if you must not for a front court player we are already strong at.

  • In reply to Sluggers:

    You can't pick when stars come on the market. There's no star shooting guard going for 50 cents on the dollar, the James Harden ship already sailed.

    Also Kevin Love being a great shooter himself makes the SG situation a lot simpler to fill, you can afford to start a below average shooter like Butler when you've got a stretch 4 as good as Love.

  • I like the idea of having Love, but would not do the trade. It's not that I think they have a better team this year without him, but that I think they would be handcuffing themselves. Love is going to get a Max deal. Just say he gets $20 million (which is probably low). Rose is getting $18, Noah $12, Gasol $7, and Dunleavy $3. Those are the guys getting the most money on the team and that adds up to $60 Million on just those guys. If they want to keep Butler, they may have to come up with a big pay day. Where is it coming from? What if Snell turns into something worth keeping? What if the team doesn't win, that they need more depth or more talent? Are people still wanting a good shooter at SG?
    I believe that if they do this trade that they lose all flexibility. Look at Miami. They were in a spot where they had no way to make real improvements to their team because they had so much tied up in three guys. I know they won two championships, but I doubt anyone is going to say that Love is as good as Lebron.
    As for this year, I think the team is capable of winning the east with or without Love. I also think that if they did come out of the East, that both versions would lose to the West. But I'm also a believer in what I saw from McDermott and I believe that Mirotic will be an All-Star in a few years. I like how the Bulls are structured right now. They have a good mix of older players who can help win now and younger player who can give them options if they fail to win. If they make this trade and Rose goes down again, his career is basically done. Then you are looking at Love and Noah being the only real players left with no flexibility or money for three or four years. Unless you trade Love.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Good analysis. I agree.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    I don't think Rose's health should factor into the decision. The Bulls suffer a huge setback if Rose can't play, but it's no worse if the Love trade is made.

    If you trade for Love you ask him to opt into the final year of his deal like Chris Paul did for the Clippers. That way if Rose goes down you're in the situation the Timberwolves are right now in terms of bargaining position, and you can trade Love for about the same assets you gave up for him.

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    Today has being the most happiest day of my life after 1 year of sadness and sorrow without being with the one i love, i tried all my possible best to make sure i make my lover happy but it never seems to work out well it was like am doing everything in vain but all thanks to Dr OSAUYI for coming to change all my worries and sadness to Joy. i knew the great man when i read some wonderful reviews about Dr OSAUYI how he has helped a lots of people on there relationship problem i was reading a magazine which then i saw great testimonies as well which then i decided not to waste time because i have missed my lover so much i decided to contact him and share all my problem with him which then he told me not to worry that he assures me that within 48 hours everything would be sorted out i believed Dr OSAUYI so much because i believe he can't fail me but truly Dr OSAUYI never failed me a man that stand on his worlds is really a man,my husband who left me for good a year plus replied my text and returned my calls and asked me to please forgive him i was so happy am so grateful to Dr OSAUYI for what he has done for me if you are there pass the same problem or any kinds of problem just contact the great man on OSAUYILOVESPELL@YAHOO.COM call his mobile number +2348100515075.

  • Hello my name is Franklin Moshi i know a renowned spell caster who helped me when i had problem with my boss if you need a right place to solve your problems
    contact dr mike the spell caster is the right choice. he is a great man that have been casting spells with years of experience. he cast spells for different purposes like

    (1) If you want your ex back.
    (2) if you always have bad dreams.
    (3) You want to be promoted in your office
    (4) You want women/men to run after you
    (5) If you want a child
    (6) You want to be rich
    (7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever
    (8) If you need financial assistance
    (9) Herbal care
    (10) Have you been scam and you need your money back?

    Contact him today on: odenorespell1999@gmail.com
    New York USA

  • I am Mrs. Rhoda from New York. i want to use this medium to congratulate DR.ODENORE for the great help of spell he has render to my relationship outbreak. since past 6 years i was in a relationship problem with my ex, he always get me beating, i never knew he has another girl outside the town, her name is Michel, until i get his email address from the internet, so i email him and i laid all my complain to him, he promise me that i am to keep off away from him, and i really agreed on it, but on a condition that my lost ex will be back,,,, he really but some few items he uses to consulting his great oracle, his plan for my relationship was fulfill and my lost ex was back again within 48hrs... He can also cast so many other spell please if you are in such mess today please contact him at odenorespell1999@gmail.com

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    I NEVER BELIEVED IN LOVE SPELLS UNTIL I MET THIS WORLD'S TOP SPELL CASTER. HE IS REALLY POWERFUL AND COULD HELP CAST SPELLS TO BRING BACK ONE'S GONE,LOST,MISBEHAVING LOVER AND MAGIC MONEY SPELL OR SPELL FOR A GOOD JOB.I'M NOW HAPPY & A LIVING TESTIMONY COS THE WOMAN I HAD WANTED TO MARRY LEFT ME 2 WEEKS BEFORE OUR WEDDING AND MY LIFE WAS UPSIDE DOWN COS OUR RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN ON FOR 2YEARS... I REALLY LOVED HIM, BUT HIS MOTHER WAS AGAINST US AND HE HAD NO GOOD PAYING JOB. SO WHEN I MET THIS SPELL CASTER, I TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED AND EXPLAINED THE SITUATION OF THINGS TO HIM..AT FIRST I WAS UNDECIDED,SKEPTICAL AND DOUBTFUL, BUT I JUST GAVE IT A TRY. AND IN 7 DAYS WHEN I RETURNED TO USA, MY GIRLFRIEND(NOW WIFE) CALLED ME BY HERSELF AND CAME TO ME APOLOGIZING THAT EVERYTHING HAD BEEN SETTLED WITH HIS MOM AND FAMILY AND SHE GOT A NEW JOB INTERVIEW SO WE SHOULD GET MARRIED..I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT COS THE SPELL CASTER ONLY ASKED FOR MY NAME AND MY GIRLFRIENDS NAME AND ALL I WANTED HIM TO DO... WELL WE ARE HAPPILY MARRIED NOW AND WE ARE EXPECTING OUR LITTLE KID,AND MY WIFE ALSO GOT THE NEW JOB AND OUR LIVES BECAME MUCH BETTER. IN CASE ANYONE NEEDS THE SPELL CASTER FOR SOME HELP, HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS;okutemple@hotmail.com ......HOPE HE HELPS YOU OUT OUR OPPORTUNITY ... CONTACT THIS GREAT SPELL CASTER VIA EMAIL:okutemple@hotmail.com

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    I am joes candra, I promise to share this testimony all over the world once my boyfriend return back to me, and today with all due respect i want to thank DR.OSAUYI for bringing joy and happiness to my relationship and my family. I want to inform you all that there is a spell caster that is real and genuine. I never believed in any of these things until i loosed my boyfriend, I required help until i found a grate spell caster, And he cast a love spell for me, and he assured me that I will get my boyfriend back in two days after the spell has been cast. Three days later, my phone rang, and so shockingly, it was my boyfriend who has not called me for past 6 years now, and made an apology for the heart break, and told me that he is ready to be my back bone till the rest of his life with me. DR.OSAUYI released him up to know how much i loved and wanted him. And opened his eyes to picture how much we have share together. As I`m writing this testimony right now I`m the most happiest girl on earth and me and my boyfriend is living a happy life and our love is now stronger than how it were even before our break up. So that`s why I promised to share my testimony all over the universe.All thanks goes to DR.OSAUYI for the excessive work that he has done for me. Below is the email address in any situation you are undergoing a heart break, and I assure you that as he has done mine for me, he will definitely help you too. OSAUYILOVESPELL@YAHOO.COM that is his email address bye or you can call is hot line on +2347064294395

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    I never believed in love spells or magic until I met this spell caster Great Oriri which a friend of mine told me about on (greatoririobaspellhome@gmail.com) he is really powerful and could help cast spells to bring back one’s gone, lost, misbehaving lover and magic money spell or spell for a good job or luck spell .I’m now happy & a living testimony because the man I wanted to marry left me 3 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down because our relationship has been on for 3years. I really loved him, but his family was against us and he had no good paying job. So when I met this spell caster, I told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him. At first I was undecided, skeptical and doubtful, but I just gave it a try. And in 8 days when I returned to Canada, my boyfriend (now my husband) called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married. I didn’t believe it because the spell caster only asked for my name and my boy friends name and all I wanted him to do. Well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid, and my husband also got the new job and our lives became much better. His email is greatoririobaspellhome@gmail.com; you can also contact him for help. I wish you good luck

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    Hello friends

    My name Johnson Kings i am a citizen of American from the United state i want to give thanks to this great man name dr ogogodu,he is a wonderful man that love to help any body that need help and he is a great spell caster,last three month ago my lover name Victoria left me just because i was not able to get her pregnant but truly we are not married but she want me to get her pregnant before she can get married to me so try my best to get her pregnant but nothing to show for it,but the biggest problem i have is that i don't have money and i can stop loving this girl so last three month she left me for another guy,i no that if i ask you to advice me you will tell me to forget about her i know every one will say the same thing so i try my best to get her back but she say no and that is final as a man i need to live my life,to God be the Glory i was just going true the internet when i saw so good testimony about some spell caster how they help people to get back there lover,i contacted some of those spell caster they scam me of my money,them i was not thinking well i tough the world hate me,on till October 4 when i came in contact with dr ogogodu who a friend of my introduce me to i told him all my problem on phone,he just told me that i should tell my friend to give me is email which i did so i send him a email tell him every thing and the information he said i should send to him after some hour he call me that everything will be fine with me that i should just sit down and wait,so that very day my lover can back to me and now every thing is fine in my life and now i have money i am living large so friend who need there problem should stop should contact dr ogogodu on email Ogogodutempleofsolution@gmail.com or call him now on is private cell number +2348078999655,If you need is help contact him and i assure you that you will be happy that you no dr ogogodu

    All thanks to you dr Ogogodu

    Name:Johnson Kings

    Country:USA

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    i want to use this opportunity to thank my great doctor who really made my life a pleasurable one today. This great man DR.OSEGHALE brought my husband back to me, i had three lovely kids for my husband, about four years ago i and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me for one lady. i felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, until one day i met a good friend of mine that was also in a situation like me but her problem was her ex-boyfriend who she had an unwanted pregnancy for and he refused to take responsibility and dumped her. she told me that mine was a small case and that i should not worry about it at all, so i asked her what was the solution to my problems and she gave me this great man email address. i was doubting if this man was the solution, so i contacted this great man and he told me what to do and i did them all, he told me to wait for just two day and that my husband will come crawling on his kneels just for forgiveness so i faithfully deed what this great man asked me to do and for sure after two days i heard a knock on the door, in a great surprise i saw him on his kneels and i was speechless, when he saw me, all he did was crying and asking me for forgiveness, from that day, all the pains and sorrows in my heart flew away,since then i and my husband and our lovely kids are happy.that's why i want to say a big thank you to DR.OSEGHALE spiritual temple. This great man made me to understand that there is no problem on earth that has no solution so please if you know that you have this same problem or any problem that is similar, i will advise you to come straight to this great man. you can email him at:droseghalespelltemple@gmail.com or through his phone: +2348130115471

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    I NEVER BELIEVED IN LOVE SPELLS UNTIL I MET THIS WORLD'S TOP SPELL CASTER. HE IS REALLY POWERFUL AND COULD HELP CAST SPELLS TO BRING BACK ONE'S GONE,LOST,MISBEHAVING LOVER AND MAGIC MONEY SPELL OR SPELL FOR A GOOD JOB.I'M NOW HAPPY & A LIVING TESTIMONY COS THE WOMAN I HAD WANTED TO MARRY LEFT ME 2 WEEKS BEFORE OUR WEDDING AND MY LIFE WAS UPSIDE DOWN COS OUR RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN ON FOR 2YEARS... I REALLY LOVED HIM, BUT HIS MOTHER WAS AGAINST US AND HE HAD NO GOOD PAYING JOB. SO WHEN I MET THIS SPELL CASTER, I TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED AND EXPLAINED THE SITUATION OF THINGS TO HIM..AT FIRST I WAS UNDECIDED,SKEPTICAL AND DOUBTFUL, BUT I JUST GAVE IT A TRY. AND IN 7 DAYS WHEN I RETURNED TO USA, MY GIRLFRIEND(NOW WIFE) CALLED ME BY HERSELF AND CAME TO ME APOLOGIZING THAT EVERYTHING HAD BEEN SETTLED WITH HIS MOM AND FAMILY AND SHE GOT A NEW JOB INTERVIEW SO WE SHOULD GET MARRIED..I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT COS THE SPELL CASTER ONLY ASKED FOR MY NAME AND MY GIRLFRIENDS NAME AND ALL I WANTED HIM TO DO... WELL WE ARE HAPPILY MARRIED NOW AND WE ARE EXPECTING OUR LITTLE KID,AND MY WIFE ALSO GOT THE NEW JOB AND OUR LIVES BECAME MUCH BETTER. IN CASE ANYONE NEEDS THE SPELL CASTER FOR SOME HELP, HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS;okutemple@hotmail.com ......HOPE HE HELPS YOU OUT OUR OPPORTUNITY ... CONTACT THIS GREAT SPELL CASTER VIA EMAIL:okutemple@hotmail.com

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    Hello friends! My Name is caro relationship but i never believe because so many spell caster scam me because of my husband who left me and three kids over a year and two months. so a good friend of mine introduce me to Dr kume just because my condition was so bad and the responsibility in my matrimonial home was more than me. my husband left me to another woman just because i don't have male child for him. so i email Dr kume and told him everything, he told me not to worry that my husband will come back and i will have a male child for him. he only told me to believe on him that after casting the spell my husband will come back immediately and beg for forgiveness. he real did it for me and my husband come back to me in the nest two days. i was very happy and thanks DR kume. so, i was in this situation (October 17 2014) i told Dr kume that i will start shearing his testimony to every one in the word if he make me to have a male child to my husband. and he also did it as am shearing this testimony to every one out dear, that am with my new bouncy baby boy. now i believe that i am the happiest woman on earth because Dr kume restore my life in my matrimonial home you can thank him for me or email him for urgent help in any bad situation i promise you he will also help you; his email address is kemespelltemple@gmail.com

  • Am here not only to testify but also to encourage people in the world facing marital, relationship and financial problem etc about the great works of Dr olta of oltaspelltemple I was lost in love with my husband until a lady snatched him away from me with an evil spell. Then I cried out to my bosses wife and she told me about how she faced a similar problem and gave this great mans contact to me and I gave him all the items he needed for the spell and now am happy again living in love with my family.I employ you to contact this man, your story of pain will change within days and you will be smiling like I am today. Once again am grateful sire contact him on his email via oltaspelltemple@gmail.com or call +2347068897198

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    My name is Brown Tina, I am from USA, I remember lying in my room when I was in high school and writing in a journal to my future husband. I’d write all sorts of notes and questions and things I’d wonder or ask this man when I eventually met him. I would wonder where he was and what he was doing and if he was thinking about me too. It has always been such a strong desire in my heart to find a wonderful man to marry, someone who would love me and cherish me and appreciate me for the person I am. I always thought I would get married right out of college, just like my parents, so when that plan didn’t work out, I started to get discouraged. A school mate snatched my future husband away from my arms just because she had spiritual powers, all hope was lost to me before i came across DR. TEBE (greattebespelltemple@gmail.com) who i confided in, i told him my long story and he helped me regain back my lover which is now my husband today. if you have any problem email Dr. Tebe at greattebespelltemple@gmail.com You can call him with this number: +2348143048153.

  • I have been in great bondage for about 4 years suffering in the hands of a cheating husband. We were living happily until he meant his old time girl friend and he started dating her again outside our marriage and before i knew it he stopped caring for his own family, to the extent that he was planning to marry her and divorce me. I cried and reported him to his family members but he never listened to anyone and to cut the story short, i came in search for a real spell caster who could destroy their relationship and make him come back to me and our 2 kids again; on my search i saw people sharing testimony on how their marriage was restored by Dr. Eze Malaka and i pick his email and told him the problem that i was going through, and he agreed to help me and told me never to worry. After he had finished casting the spell, on the second day, they both had a quarrel and he beat up his girlfriend and he came back home begging me to forgive him that his eyes are clear now that he will never do any thing that will hurt his family again and promise to be a caring father and never to cheat on me again. I am so happy that i did not lose him to the girl and all appreciation goes to Dr. Eze Malaka for his great work. You are a Great spell caster and to you all that are faced with this or similar problem to this, please contact him now on extremewhitelovespell@yahoo. com or his WEBSITE ADDRESS is http://extremewhitelovespell.webs.com once again thank you Dr. thank you, thank you.

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    Hello to every one out here, am here to share the unexpected miracle that happened to me three days ago, My name is Edwin Wallace i live in United State,and I`m happily married to a lovely and caring wife,with two kids A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my wife so terrible that she took the case to court for a divorce she said that she never wanted to stay with me again,and that she did not love me anymore So she packed out of my house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get her back,after much begging,but all to no avail and she confirmed it that she has made her decision,and she never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my wife So i explained every thing to her,so she told me that the only way i can get my wife back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for her too So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the email address of the spell caster whom she visited.(kemespelltemple@gmail.com }, So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address she gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my wife back the next day what an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my wife who did not call me for the past seven {7}months,gave me a call to inform me that she was coming back So Amazing!! So that was how she came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and she apologized for her mistake,and for the pain she caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster . So, i will advice you out there to kindly visit the same website {kemespelltemple@gmail.com },i f you are in any condition like this,or you have any problem related to "bringing your ex back. So thanks to Dr KUME for bringing back my wife,and brought great joy to my family once again.(kemespelltemple@gmail.com }, Thanks..

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