Carmelo Anthony researching Chicago, Thibodeau researching Melo, but Rose wants Kevin Love

Carmelo Anthony researching Chicago, Thibodeau researching Melo, but Rose wants Kevin Love

According to Ian Bagley of ESPN New York, Carmelo Anthony is doing due diligence on what it's like to live in the city of Chicago.

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New York Knicks star Carmelo Anthony is doing his homework on the city of Chicago as the deadline to exercise the opt-out clause in his contract approaches.

According to league sources, Anthony has talked to at least one high-profile person who lives in Chicago about what it's like to be famous in the Windy City.

The Chicago Bulls are one of several teams with whom Anthony would consider signing if he decides to test free agency this summer, sources recently told ESPN.com's Marc Stein.

Meanwhile, Tom Thiobideau is looking into Carmelo Anthony which is an indication that management has made it clear he's in play to the coach, or Tom Thibodeau follows the Bulls blogosphere and is simply as excited as us at the possibility.

According to one of Anthony’s former coaches, Thibodeau has reached out to him and to several other coaches who have worked with Anthony with numerous calls.

‘‘I even told Tom that there may be days he will want to blow his own head off when it comes to Melo’s defense, but he keeps saying he knows he can make it work,’’ the coach said. ‘‘It’s not that Carmelo can’t play defense, it’s just how often. And he knows every trick in the book on getting around that.’’

That the Bulls are in full-court-press mode on Anthony comes as no surprise, considering center Joakim Noah courted him during All-Star Weekend in February and continued the recruitment throughout the second half of the season.

And it would seem Noah isn’t alone. Point guard Derrick Rose reportedly has gotten involved, too, and Thibodeau has used back channels to let Anthony know his addition could mean big things for everyone involved.

‘‘There’s no question [the Bulls] would be better with [Anthony], with or without his defensive inconsistencies,’’ the coach said. ‘‘As I told Tom: ‘You’re in the East, Tom. Remember, you’re in the East.’ ’’

Both of these are positive indicators that Melo will consider joining the Chicago Bulls. Of course, when he opts out today, things will get a bit more tricky as the Bulls will then need to pursue him via cap space or a S&T agreement. To get cap space we'll need to say good bye to Taj Gibson to a team that's under the cap.

I don't think moving Gibson will prove to be a big problem, but it will weaken the team considerably coming back. In order to do a S&T, who knows what NY will want back, but we won't be able to let them use our 2014 draft picks at draft time which means they'd have to like the same players as Chicago for the picks to be valuable to them.

Meanwhile, Derrick Rose apparently prefers Kevin Love, but don't we all?

According to sources close to Kevin Love, Rose’s preference is for the Bulls to work out a deal as soon as possible for Minnesota’s All-Star forward because he sees Love as more of a team player than Anthony. Chicago is in the mix with Golden State for Love, with Boston and Denver considered long shots. If it makes any difference to Melo, Rose has no plans to recruit Love, who is free next summer, either. But the Bulls already know whom he’d really prefer to play with in the future.

It's no shock that Derrick Rose would prefer Kevin Love. The note, from the tabloidish NY Daily times News, tries to make this look more negative than it is. Of course Rose isn't calling Anthony. He's not even recruiting Kevin Love whom he's had a relationship with for quite some time and regularly works out with in the off-season.

He refuses to recruit anyone. It's annoying. It's aggravating. In it's own way it's kind of noble. However, this isn't anything we didn't already know about Derrick who's been quite famous on his non recruiting stance for years. The lone exception, apparently, was Kirk Hinrich. Personally, I hope Derrick aims a little higher next time he decides to make a one time exception for his no recruiting rule.

As for Rose preferring Kevin Love, as the Russians say, no shitski. Kevin Love is about five years younger and better than Carmelo Anthony. If you don't prefer Kevin Love then you're wrong. Carmelo's 30 and will already be hitting the age of decline now with a sharp decline coming in a couple seasons.

Kevin Love will be in his prime throughout the end of his next contract. If Love is available in trade you have to make something happen.

One thing is for certain, it looks like Chicago is very active in trying to make something happen this summer. Whether they can or not will be up for debate, but they're very much in play for both Love and Melo with some fringe scenarios where they land both. I'd find that to be highly unlikely simply due to the timing involved.

Chicago almost certainly would need to trade for Love on draft day and then no longer have cap room to threaten the Knicks with a signing, in that scenario they could S&T Melo from NY, but NY would no longer have any need to complete a trade as Anthony would need to leverage leaving for a different team in order to force NY's hand.

Even if he could pull that off, the Bulls wouldn't have much in the way of assets to send back anymore as most of their good trade assets would already be gone to Minnesota for Kevin Love.

If the Bulls could pull off a Love + Melo summer and Rose came back healthy leaving Chicago with a core of Rose, Butler, Melo, Love, and Noah then Chicago's definitely got to be on the short list of title favorites next season even if the bench is left with only Greg Smith, Kirk Hinrich, and other dudes who will sign for the minimum.

Let's dare to dream for a bit while we can, because there's only a few days left before the dream ends.

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  • I hold no ill will towards D-Rose but if he's not going to recruit and can't guarantee his health, he doesn't get to pick the rest of the team.

  • Roman - completely agree!

    Rose's schtick is wearing thin... the whole "I dont recruit" is really not a noble stance and in an NBA landscape that lends to player recruiting as a huge area of exploitation, its actually not smart to not recruit. If LBJ can recruit Ray Allen to Miami, then Rose can recruit Melo and/or Love. If Rose was healthy every year and we were in the ECF or Finals every year, then I can understand Rose's stance but otherwise, it is just unsubstantiated pride.

    If there is any offseason where a Derrick full-court press to get Love to force a trade to the Bulls and Noah/Thibs convinces Melo to sign in Chicago, this is it. If Rose doesn't realize that this team needs help and that he cannot carry the team anymore, then he's dumb.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    Derrick Rose is dumb? How do you know? Are you the guy who took his ACT Test for him?

  • I kind of like Love more, but I like Anthony as a better fit to the Bulls based on need. Melo's the best pure scorer in today's game now that Kobe has declined.

    However, if Bulls could trade Boozer, Gibson, both 2014 firsts, 2016 first and Dunleavy and/or Butler for Love, then I would strongly consider that. Gibson may be gone anyway to make room for Anthony, so it's moot.

    From a love trade, Mirotic could thereby sign the MLE if Bulls remain over the cap. Also, they could probably bring back Augustin at the room exception, too, as I think he won't garner all that much interest due to size and age and limited D.

    And, will Love sign for less than max? Will he do $15-17 mil/yr?

    So, yes, I'd be elated with Love if he takes a bit less than max in order to keep someone like Butler or Dunleavy to add depth.

    This team would be solid:
    Rose/Augustin
    SG - Butler? (Kevin Martin?)
    Snell
    Love/Mirotic
    Noah/G.Smith

  • Melo is what we need. Mirotic is our next Love. I think a starting lineup of Rose, Butler, Melo, Taj and Noah is championship consideration. Bring Mirotic to backup Taj and the following year, he may be our starting PF with the same skills as Love. To me, this is a better long term fit for the Bulls.

  • In reply to BullsDynasty:

    And Mirotic will be a lot cheaper than Love.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    A lot cheaper and similar skill set, sure, but don't go thinking that Mirotic is nearly as good. Kevin Love is one of the 10 best basketball players in the world. Mirotic probably never will be.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Certainly not likely, but maybe the combination of Mirotic and Taj is a better fit for a Bulls team with Rose and Melo, than just Love instead of 3 of those guys.

    All things being equal, I think that we all prefer Love to Melo as a basketball player, however, as always all things are not equal, so it becomes a much tougher decision.

  • Damn, Doug....Love is not better than Melo. The only people who say that are people who drool at his stats and never watch a Timber wolves game (which I don't blame them). And you thought Boozer's defense was bad? At least he raises his hands up instead of letting his man shoot and spin to get a rebound. Team player? Remember that next time Love glares at a teammate for taking one of "his" rebounds. Love will be exposed when he goes to a team with any kind of expectations....mark my words...(as a guy who lives in MN and has to watch the Timber puffs because he didn't get the NBA package...)

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    That is an interesting local take, but if we're having a selfish, plays no D contest can you really outdo thee official black hole of the NBA Carmelo Anthony? If you really don't like Kevin Love as a player as in think he's selfish and uncommitted to winning then admittedly that is something to consider as it is true NOBODY(or almost) watches the T-Wolves i.e Kevin Love play much if at all. I have to admit that includes me and that's WITH league pass.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Arron Afflalo plays defense, rather well actually.
    That's why I think Afflalo is the smart first move for Bulls. If this off-season yields Afflalo and Mirotic and a good draft pick at #16, that's a solid off-season.

    A significant FA beyond that would be spectacular, but I wouldn't want to forgo Afflalo and Mirotic just to get the FA because that would leave gaping holes in the roster which doesn't equal championship.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I've been saying that since this debate began, Afflalo, Mirotic, bring back DJ, maybe take a shot at Jordan Hill, that would be a very nice offseason, plus the amnestitization of the bozohole.

    If you make Afflalo your first move, then your only option to go after Melo is with a sign and trade deal, thus losing some leverage on the Knicks, unless Melo is adamant about going to the Bulls and forces their hand. However, if you have Afflalo on board, you could offer Butler to entice the Knicks to part with Melo, since he would no longer be a starter. boozer, Butler(or Snell) and a pick, is that enough for the Knicks.

    It seems to me that the sign and trade option is the way to go anyway since signing Melo into cap space wrecks the team as much as, if not more than trading for Love.

    However, I do find it curious that Orlando would be willing to give up Afflalo for the 16th pick, especially since they already have 2 higher first round picks. Plus Denver is supposedly offering their 11th pick for Afflalo in order to use him in a trade for Love. So that would be a double whammy for our hopes.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    First, I agree with you and Edward and a few others that Afflalo would be the SG the Bulls have needed for a decade! The problem is, he likely would be a 1-year rental and fail to opt-in the following year.

    On the other hand, the Bulls are trying to trade up, perhaps going for Stauskas, tho there are rumors for McDermot also. Nik Stauskas might become Afflalo on a cheaper contract for 4 years, which would be preferable.

    If Saric drops to the Bulls, they would be wise to grab him. He'll stay in Europe now until the fall of 2016. I also like Nurkic. Could be 3 future All-stars stashed in Europe, feeding the Bulls team for years. Tho I imagine they would go for Warren instead, the guy can score.

    Some have suggested the Bulls trade Gibson, Butler, Boozer, Mirotic, and a bunch of picks for Love. I would not do that. Mirotic might not be as good as Love (tho Thibs and Noah could teach the kid D), but he sure will be a lot cheaper for 3/4 years! As you pointed out, BigWay, Melo and Taj and Mirotic trumps Love!

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    It's not like Love is a cancer...far from it. He's a good player... I just think he is an over-rated player not worth the max who has some glaring weaknesses...like his D, his overall commitment to a team, his ability to jump, etc... If you hated Boozer, we're talking about a younger taller version with a 3 point shot. My friend and I both live in Duluth, MN but we are both die-hard Bulls fans. We're both scared to death of overpaying for this guy and we would both rather have Gibson. You know how Noah doesn't put up enormous stats, but gives you the intangibles and does the little things to win? Think of Love as the Anti-Noah.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    I agree. Keep Mirotic instead. The kid can shoot, rebounds, and he is young so Noah can teach him some D. He could be as valuable as Love in a year or two. Maybe not, but he will be more cost-effective.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    That is scary, and something that I'd hate to find out after we mortgaged half the team to get him. Unfortunately, I almost never watch Love play, but if you are right, I would probably pick up on it in the first month of his Bulls career. I really doubt that he can be anywhere near as hateable as boozer. He is a much better offensive player, but the thing about stealing rebounds really bothered me, that and being the anti Noah.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Thank you for that insight! So is this why T-Wolves have never made the playoffs with Love?

    The Eye-Test, watching actual games, reveals far more about a player. Also, Western Conference stats are inflated due to the higher scoring style of play.

  • In reply to Edward:

    TWolves would have been in the playoffs this year if they were in the East. They would have made it last year but for numerous injuries that exceeded even what the Bulls suffered.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    I totally agree Saying Love is hands down better than Melo is ridiculous. Melo is a possibly the best pure scorer in the game. Bulls lack what again? Oh yeah scoring and his defense can be masked by outstanding team defense. Love isn't an ISO scorer! What does the bulls offense lack that is shot creation and that is Melos strength hands down. Plus losing Taj for Defenseless K Love would leave our team with no rim protector. Melo is just a much better fit if we can find a way to keep Taj. It would balance our lineup so much more and we could fill the SG role with an easy to find low cost 3D guy.

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    Sorry Derrick, but like that Rolling Stones song goes "you can't always get what you want, but try sometimes you might find you get what you need"

  • 1) It will be interesting come draft night to see where Kevin Love lands. I highly doubt it will be Chicago simply due to Gar/Pax's one sided trade mentality/history. If they somehow make that deal happen then that history will be erased.

    2) Somebody pulled a spazz overreaction scoffing at the suggestion, by me, that it may take Taj, Mirotic, AND both our picks to get an in their prime scorer like Kevin Love. Mean while, I read Kevin(States) make the same proposal save one draft pick. I also believe Doug has stated a trade scenario sending Taj and Mirotic along with a pick for Love. Really, to this regular poster, scoffing/overreactions, you're not worthy of such "emotional" responses so please get a grip. And for myself, If it takes that second pick to get Kevin Love then yes I'll gladly send it and worry about the rest later. Taj career 9ppg foul prone, injury prone, Mirotic doesn't show fire to play in the NBA/unproven, two unknown could be bust picks for an in their prime 25ppg 37% three point shooting 12 rebounds per game big hell yes I make that deal.

    3) What if Miami/Riley gets Wade and James to agree to opt out and re-sign for $5 Mil less a year each? At the same time unloading Chris Bosh aka Mr. Invisible who is now 30 by the way. They then bring Melo into the fold with a new bevvy of kiss ass ring chasers. That's not saying that automatically makes them unbeatable or is the right move even, but just wonder if something like that might be in the offing. Let's face it the naysayers can naysay, but with Riley, anything's possible(including being a d-bag who ruined Ewing's career playing thug ball and uses his "presser" to sore loser trash Leonard, Parker, Pops i.e the team who just kicked his ass the San Antonio Spurs).

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Of course Phil/Knicks would have to play ball so they "don't lose(Melo) him for nothing." We know "Carmellloo An-thonn-yyyyy"(douchebag Knicks announcer) is not leaving $30 Mil or whatever it is on the table. Maybe Phil refuses to enable Riley's bilking shenanigans..? And I'm sure all the salary wonk posters here will probably say Miami getting Melo is "impossible/won't happen." Hopefully they are right.

  • Side note: many reports persist in the notion that to free up cap space the Bulls in Gar/Pax are trying to trade away one or both of our picks. Of course if that means Kevin Love or even sending one pick in a deal for Afflalo that's another story. I just hope one or both picks don't get flushed in this draft and then we end up with neither Love, Melo, or Afflalo. That would... really suck.

    I still have little to no faith in Gar/Pax so anything's possible(meant in a bad way), but we'll see. I'm going in with the mentality that they will f-ck up the whole thing, and then if something good does happen then it's a win-win(ha, ha).

    I'm sorry but Teague, Snell, and I absolutely don't think they will get Love or Melo let alone Afflalo. Again, after last year's suck crack offense if they just get Afflalo, Rose back, Mirotic miraculously decides to get his cozy Euro butt over here, and maybe draft an actual promising offensive player with remaining pick I'd be extremely pleased with that. I'll bet $100 bucks they won't get both Mirotic or Afflalo(probably neither) let alone fantasy island Love or Melo. As for picks latest I heard was the really like Napier who now apparently has been invited by NBA/ESPN to the "Green Room." Where borderline lottery picks go to die.

  • If we can both Carmelo & Love, lets do it.......if we have to settle for one, then I would take Love, but only if he signs an extension if we have to give up draft picks.

    Trade Butler, and both first round picks for Love (if he signs an extension)
    Trade Gibson to LAL for draft picks...
    Sign Carmelo.....
    Sign Orlando guard Affalo...
    Trade Dunleavy for draft pick

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    1. It would take more than just Butler and two mid-round picks to get Love.
    2. The Lakers are not going to trade pick #7 for Taj Gibson.
    3. If they did 1 and 2, they could not sign Anthony outright without him taking a massive pay cut.
    4. Afflalo isn't a free agent.
    5. This is possible, but probably only for a second rounder. Maybe a late first.

  • In reply to John Kerth:

    I know Lakers would not trade #7 pick for Gibson...more like two future 2nd round picks.......

  • I've followed the Love thing pretty closely and while I hope the Bulls org. will/have done their due diligence, it looks like his price may be higher than we have the assets to pay.

    I'd rather find a way to do it while keeping Taj, but I'm all in favor of trading Gibson to bring Melo here. We need guys who can score. Melo can do it from everywhere on the court. Yeah, Melo is 30, but he's actually under a year older than Noah. Derrick is only going to be 26, but given his skill set and injuries, what's he really going to look like at 30? If he even comes back as an impact player (man, I hope). This core isn't young anymore. It was a mistake to pay Boozer at 29, but Melo is different. He's a vastly better player than Booz was and I think his game is going to translate into his 30's. When you can get a guy who's probably the second or third best scorer in the league, especially when you're the Bulls, you gotta do it.

  • In reply to Hunter:

    The Wolves price can be as high as they want; Love is leaving and they are going to trade him. As I expected GSW will not part with Klay Thompson in a deal for Love and that news came through last night to little surprise from this guy.

  • In reply to Hunter:

    You kind of have it backward, if we get Love then we don't "need" Gibson or Mirotic. However, if we get Melo then we"need" Gibson and/or Mirotic.

    The conundrum is that you can probably get Melo without giving up Gibson or Mirotic because he is a free agent, but you probably cannot get Love without giving up Gibson and/or Mirotic and/or Butler.

    That is why (other than age/window to win) Melo is the far better fit with this Bulls team.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    It's really hard to see the Bulls getting into that 17-19 million range per year when it comes to Carmelo with Gibson's salary on the books. It would be great if we could keep Gibson because he leaves a big hole in the roster, but if that's what it takes to get Melo, I'm willing to say sayonara and wish him the best.

    It looks like the Bulls org. already offered Gibson + no. 16 and 19 for Love without much success. We can better the offer with maybe some combination of Mirotic, Butler and our 2015 first round pick, but I just see them getting better offers. Carmelo because he is a free agent and either through a S&T or a normal free agent acquisition, we'd likely have to give up less to get him.

    Some people think Melo is going to sign for 15 million a year to play for a contender. I'd be shocked. Nobody leaves that much money on the table especially with that fifth year he'd be losing out on if not signing with the Knicks. Just leaving that fifth year behind would show he's serious about finding a winning situation. We know it won't be the Knicks anytime soon.

  • In reply to Hunter:

    Thats why the most if not only realistic way to get Melo is in a "forced" sign and trade.

  • Realistically, Carmelo could be opting out to join the NYN back with a pay cut to allow other free agents to join NY. This is a game and the Bulls FO are all aware of it. If no guarantees that Carmelo will join, that's probably why Afflalo is their plan B.

  • In reply to BullsDynasty:

    NYN = New York Nets? If you're referring to the Knicks, which I think you are, why would he opt out if that were the case? The Knicks could sign Melo to a dollar this year and they'd still be over the cap! Therefore, if he was trying to sign for less to free up space for free agents, he would have opted in, made the most money possible this season and then opted out next year, when him signing for less is actually worth something to the team. That's why Phil wanted him to opt-in. How much Melo gets paid this year means absolutely nothing to the Knicks ability to make moves over the next 12 months. Literally nothing that has happened lends to your theory. If any game is going on, which I'm not ruling out at all, its the game between Melo and Phil as Melo tries to get Phil to resign him to the largest number possible. Phil isn't looking to sign Melo to the max, he wants to sign Melo at a discount. As I stated prior, if Melo were interested in doing so, he'd have opted in and negotiated next Summer.

  • In reply to Chicagosportsguru:

    Thanks for the info. It looks like you know more about the Knicks situation. I was under the impression that with a discount on Carmelo this year, the Knicks could actually get another impact player on FA. So, it looks like there is a very high probability that Carmelo will join the Bulls next year, as I don't see him moving to Texas (Rockets) or Heat.

  • Doug, if Melo is willing to sign a contract starting at 18 mil the first year and increasing in the years that follow, can't the Bulls get to that number without losing Taj Gibson? Why am I reading this elsewhere yet you seem to totally ignore the possibility? Are they wrong?

  • In reply to Chicagosportsguru:

    Yes, the Bulls can theoretically do that, but they have to gut the entire team other than Rose, Noah and Gibson, so they would be much better off executing a sign and trade, which Melo should "force" the Knicks to do.

    I guarantee you that despite his comments to the contrary, Melo is still angling to get every single last penny no matter where he ends up.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Agreed.
    If Bulls can acquire Afflalo and Melo doesn't "force" his way to Bulls and instead signs with Knicks, then that's all we need to know about Melo - his talk about wanting to compete would then be pure BS.

  • I keep seeing that if we amnestied Boozer we would only have the room MLE available because we would be under the cap, but it seems to me that if we use the full MLE the day after the moratorium ends (7/10) and then amnesty Boozer on the last day of the amnesty waiver period (7/17) we would have still been over the cap to use the regular MLE at the time it was used, even if the eventual plan was to scrap Booz the whole time. Seems like it's just a loophole.

  • Reports out of the Bay area is saying Golden State pulled out of the Love trade talks.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    There is also a report out there saying Bulls offering Gibson, Snell and both 1sts for Love...

  • In reply to BullsMan:

    Which means the Bulls want to keep Butler so the whole load on D in the front court does not fall on Noah. Smart.

    Also, kind of funny how all of these huge offers for Love are now vanishing. Maybe the Twolves take that offer from the Bulls. I hope they do not throw in Mirotic.

  • Will Bulls use their picks or in trade for big name player or cap space? Hoping not the latter. Maybe use one and make one a Eurostash even though current stash(Mirotic) may stiff them yet again this summer.

    Green room invite list: SI.com reports green room list, and correlation in recent drafts between invited players rarely not going within a couple picks of lottery. Invitees include: James Warren, Adreian Payne, Elfrid Payton, Shabazz Napier, and Mr James Young. You know, with Payne's NBA combine 7'4" wingspan, huge hands, and explosive athleticism he might not be a bad choice even at 16. NBADraft.net refers to T.J. Warren's ability to play "bully ball" in the post(often against other team's bigs/PF's) with combine 6'10.25" wingspan..?

    Also, I usually have to work Thursday night's/during the draft, but switched to be off and watch. Virtually guaranteeing Bull's fiasco.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Sorry invite is T.J. Warren not mysterious James.

  • If you believe deep draft view then the theme continues in 2nd round. Jabari Brown and Deonte Burton are pretty nice options at Bulls pick and may be available according to mokcs though I bet they go sooner.

  • The comments from the Minnesota people about Kevin Love are distressing to say the least:

    - Terrible defender ala Boozer
    - a younger taller version of Boozer with a 3-pt shot
    - Glaring weaknesses, can't jump.
    - the Anti-Noah
    - would rather have Taj Gibson

    These comments are from people who actually watch Kevin Love play. I doubt the rest of us on this blog have watched much Kevin Love at all.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I've been a proponent of getting Love, if not Melo, all along but I am starting to change my mind. evilhoban, Edward, and rusty are making the point that while he may be a great player, Love may not be a great value on a max contract. In the salary cap era, it may not even be about superstars as much as it is about getting great value, like SA did with Duncan, Parker and Ginobli who were superstar values if not superstar players.

    Sure, LeBron is a great value on a max contract, but is Melo? Is Love? Love is a classic 1B superstar, he might be a top-10 NBA player but he's not going to be the undisputed best player on the best team in the league, not ever.

    Mirotic might turn out to be a better value. Even Taj Gibson might be a comparable value to Love, even if not nearly as good a player, because Taj is on a much better contract. Afflalo is a pretty darn good value as well, maybe adding him and Mirotic isn't such a bad play after all.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    I really think that you have to evaluate the combination of Taj and Mirotic vs Love. together they might offer any team a better value and more overall basketball skill.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Disagree. I see Love a lot as I live in MN. You are clearly emphasizing his limitations and ignoring his strengths. Great outlet passer (best in league). Great rebounder due to anticipation, intelligence and will. Deadly three point shooter. Terrific competitor.

    Sure, he has his weaknesses but he is one of top players in the league. Carmelo is the better fit on the Bulls, however, as Taj is capable 4. Nonetheless, I would take Love if all it cost were Taj, Snell and the two first rounders this year. If TWolves want more, I would pass.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    I would prefer to split up this years 2 firsts, and offer future firsts and the Sacto pick with one of this years picks in a deal for Love, while saving the other pairing for a Melo sign and trade.

    Gibson, Snell, either 16 or 19, and either the Sacto pick or our first next year for Love.

    Boozer, Butler(only if you have to) or Dunleavy, either 16 or 19 and either the Sacto pick or our first next year for Melo.

    This actually seems very doable, especially if Love and Melo decided that they wanted to join up as Bulls.
    Then if you didn't have to give up Butler in the Melo deal, swap him for Afflalo, you've got Rose, Afflalo, Melo, Noah and Love with Mirotic as your 6th man, Smith as your defense and rebounding big, and maybe DJ or Hinbrick as your backup point.

    It's out there but maybe not as far fetched as it might have seemed a while ago.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    With that team the Bulls might go from 28th in scoring to 1st in one year! That would be fun to see.

  • It would be a lot of fun to watch Rose play with Love and Noah. Love would be an ideal pick and roll partner with Rose. He sets a great screen and can either roll to the hoop or drill the 3. Love is also a legit low post threat unlike Boozer, and a great rebounder. Love and Noah on the boards would be the best tandem in the league. While he is not a great defender, he is a great defensive rebounder, which the team needs to allow Noah to provide help defense. Mirotic, #16, the Sac pick and Gibson would be a nice haul for MN. I still think GSW wind up with Love, however. Thompson and Barnes is a small price to pay. Love and Curry would be lethal together.

  • In reply to piggy7:

    Mirotic, Gibson, #16 and the Sacto pick(which I all but guarantee will be an 11-20) pick sounds a bit on the piggy side for Minny. As much as I like Love, I might decide that I like those 4 assets better.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I agree with you. Mirotic would be a top 3 if drafted this year. His scoring and rebounding on the Bulls will likely be about 20/9, plus he can learn some D from Noah, the DPOY, so the difference between him and Love may be minimal in a year or two. Plus, he will cost about $5 million per for 3 or 4 years!

  • In reply to rustyw:

    Oh, now Mirotic is top 3. I honestly believe this is magical thinking bordering on delusional. I follow about every basketball board there is and I have yet to hear even a rumor of another team offering anything substantial for Mirotic. Why is that? You would think that some team would dangle something of value to steal a talent that is up there with Wiggins, Exum, and Parker in the hopes the Bulls would bite.

    Look, I like Mirotic also but let's be realistic. He is more likely to be Ryan Anderson than Dirk Nowitski.

  • LeBron opted out of his contact with the Heat and is now an unrestricted free agent. Of course, we are not sure how serious LeBron (or Melo) is about leaving their team, but there are now TWO All-Star SFs available as unrestricted free agents.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I don't think either player leaves his team. LeBron will probably take a pay cut to return to the Heat and probably just wants the attention that he's not getting since he didn't win the championship. Melo is just looking to extract every last penny out of the Knicks, but I don't think he really plans to leave, that's the word around NYC anyways (of course New Yorkers can't believe anyone would ever want to live anywhere else).

  • In reply to Roman F:

    I think the big free agents (Melo, LeBron, Wade, Bosh) are going to use/continue to use the Bulls to inflate the offers they get with their current teams. I would love to have Love and/or Melo on the Bulls but losing Gibson, and the potential good/tall Mirotic is hard to swallow but like classic gambling you have to sometimes go all in and with Rose's bad health history and Noah and Gibson aging, there is a small window before total overhaul! We haven't been developing guys like SA did with Leanard, Mills, Splitter, etc. Thibs doesn't play young guys much unless he needs to then they are thrown in the deep end of the pool to sink or swim!

    I don't watch Love or Melo that much, but follow the NBA world close and Love is the safer character guy that Rose knows well in the offseason, though his lack of athletism is scary, but he is a double/double machine like Gibson could be next to Noah I feel.

    Melo is a up there with Lebron and needs to be wined and dined and with Phil Jackson in NYC now that is going to be hard to pull him away and him losing his 5th year at $24M+ at his age of 30 that's his last big paycheck that he will start declining on, but he is the big volume scorer we need...we don't know what we are getting with Rose so I rather go with Melo with Mirotic on the horizon to be a SF/PF shooter from distance at 6'10".
    I don't see how we can get either guy without losing Taj Gibson who plays good D, is developing some offense to. I would be somewhat happy if we got Affalo for our 2 picks and it didn't cost us Gibson, and to a lesser degree Butler and bring over Mirotic for $4-5M/yr this offseason and amnesty Boozer.
    This is a make or break offseason and I hope we, Chicago the 3rd biggest market in the whole US, stands tall after this and is a championship threat at least for the next 3-4 years starting this coming season! GO BULLS! :-)

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Lebron and Wade have given no indication that they are interested in taking another paycut, so unless Riley comes up with another svengali like salesjob Lebron's opt out looks like he might be shopping himself again. I agree on Melo looking for every last penny, at least on a per year basis, he might give up the 5th year to win somewhere else.

  • I think the big free agents (Melo, LeBron, Wade, Bosh) are going to use/continue to use the Bulls to inflate the offers they get with their current teams. I would love to have Love and/or Melo on the Bulls but losing Gibson, and the potential good/tall Mirotic is hard to swallow but like classic gambling you have to sometimes go all in and with Rose's bad health history and Noah and Gibson aging, there is a small window before total overhaul! We haven't been developing guys like SA did with Leanard, Mills, Splitter, etc. Thibs doesn't play young guys much unless he needs to then they are thrown in the deep end of the pool to sink or swim!

    I don't watch Love or Melo that much, but follow the NBA world close and Love is the safer character guy that Rose knows well in the offseason, though his lack of athletism is scary, but he is a double/double machine like Gibson could be next to Noah I feel.

    Melo is a up there with Lebron and needs to be wined and dined and with Phil Jackson in NYC now that is going to be hard to pull him away and him losing his 5th year at $24M+ at his age of 30 that's his last big paycheck that he will start declining on, but he is the big volume scorer we need...we don't know what we are getting with Rose so I rather go with Melo with Mirotic on the horizon to be a SF/PF shooter from distance at 6'10".
    I don't see how we can get either guy without losing Taj Gibson who plays good D, is developing some offense to. I would be somewhat happy if we got Affalo for our 2 picks and it didn't cost us Gibson, and to a lesser degree Butler and bring over Mirotic for $4-5M/yr this offseason and amnesty Boozer.
    This is a make or break offseason and I hope we, Chicago the 3rd biggest market in the whole US, stands tall after this and is a championship threat at least for the next 3-4 years starting this coming season! GO BULLS! :-)

  • This summer is starting to feel a lot like 2010. I just get the feel that these guys (Bron & Melo) already know what they are doing but they're just playing games with these GMs to keep them from making the moves they would make if they knew that Bron, Wade & Melo were teaming up in MIA. The Riley speech, which most think was a recruiting pitch fro Bron, IMO was Pat creating the idea that Bron could actually be leaving. No one REALLY thought this was a REAL possibility before the speech. Melo is playing the role of Wade in 2010 and giving other GMs hope in efforts to stall that team's offseaseon moves.

    I'm really getting that 2010 feeling again. Especially after seeing Bron tweet this: https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/404807971433377792

    This could mean absolutely nothing but it's awfully interesting the time and caption of the tweet.

  • In reply to muckfiami:

    Yes, there truly is a great deal of narcissism at play here.
    I am not optimistic about a narcissistic free agent choosing Chicago, Chicago doesn't fit their profile, not the city nor the Bulls organization.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Well, the city might if the weather didn't suck.

    As someone who left for Cali back in 1986 I always tell people out here that Chicago is the best big city in the country and its not really close. However, if the weather didn't suck then everybody would want to live there, and it would be L.A. not Chicago.

  • In reply to muckfiami:

    I agree that Lebron and Melo probably already have a plan in place, and I'd be willing to bet none of those plans involve Chicago. If I'm GarPax, I continue pushing for a trade, either Love or Afflalo, and see what happens from there. Hell, if they could get Afflalo and Mirotic, that would be a very successful retooling in my opinion, and without doing math, should leave some cap room for some other decent role players for depth.

  • In reply to muckfiami:

    I feel like the 2010 Decision and the subsequent 2014 Decision 2.0 are completely inorganic to how the NBA should work. I'm sick of individual, narcissistic superstars running the league. Wasn't this supposed to be addressed in the last CBA? I don't see NBA fandom tolerating the Decision 2.0 if LeBron and Melo team up, and why should it? I for one will not.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    The whole team stacking philosophy takes away some of the credibility of winning a championship. That's why I would rather see the Bulls try to win with guys they have drafted/developed (Rose, Noah, Butler, Mirotic), and bring in a guy like Afflalo to round things off, someone who is a strong player, but certainly no elite all-star type. The Bulls of the 90's did it this way, drafted their best players, and only brought in supporting pieces, like Cartwright, Rodman, Ron Harper. Same thing with San Antonio, they win with guys brought up through their system; That's the respectable way to win. Even bringing Love into the fold, when you already have a solid PF in Taj...just seems a bit sleazy.

  • In reply to BullsMan:

    I tend to agree with you.
    And I think Bulls learned from their mistakes of 2010 and will not clear a ton of cap space in advance hoping for a big FA. If a FA truly wants to come to Chicago, he can force a S&T. If not, build Bulls team through draft picks and trades.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    I tend to agree with you, but is there really anything wrong with athletes controlling their destinies and wanting to play with their friends instead of maximize their incomes? Why should everything be run by rich old white men?

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Pat Riley and Phil Jackson have rightfully said LeBron and Melo are exercising their right to opt out. That's 100% correct. They have a right to opt in or out of their contract extensions, but demanding sign and trades to their list of favorite teams by holding a gun to their GM's head and colluding with their peers to form super teams is completely inorganic. It's even worse when scum like Wade play the field with the intent to deceive other suitors. I believe this can be avoided by negotiating a new CBA when the time comes. I can't think of any other sport where players have so much control. It's one thing to advocate for players' rights, it's entirely different to let them control the outcome of the entire league for the foreseeable future. Duncan, Parker and Ginobili have managed to stay together for less money while not looking like complete a$$hats. In fact, they're exactly what others around NBA need to idolize and duplicate.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    There is a simple reason why players in the NBA have so much control, only 5 guys play and it only takes 2-3 to make a great team.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Good point, but I don't recall the last two decades of NBA basketball producing anything like The Decision.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Pat Riley and Phil Jackson have rightfully said LeBron and Melo are exercising their right to opt out. That's 100% correct. They have a right to opt in or out of their contract extensions, but demanding sign and trades to their list of favorite teams by holding a gun to their GM's head and colluding with their peers to form super teams is completely inorganic. It's even worse when scum like Wade play the field with the intent to deceive other suitors. I believe this can be avoided by negotiating a new CBA when the time comes. I can't think of any other sport where players have so much control. It's one thing to advocate for players' rights, it's entirely different to let them control the outcome of the entire league for the foreseeable future. Duncan, Parker and Ginobili have managed to stay together for less money while not looking like complete jerks. In fact, they're exactly what others around NBA need to idolize and duplicate.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Hey, are you calling Jordan old(and white)

  • In reply to BigWay:

    What about that new guy in Sacto.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    The whole class warfare tactic is completely lost on me.

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    I know I am late on this, but any chance we can swing a 3-way? Melo to Chi, Love to NY, and Boozer + picks +young guys to Minnie? They would probably want assets and expirings in any deal, NY would be happy to do a S & T for Love... US.. we just want someone to take Boozer and Minnie might be that team...

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