Bulls made offer for Kevin Love, better off than Celtics

Bulls made offer for Kevin Love, better off than Celtics

While Kevin Love was touring Boston and taking in a Red Sox game, Jackie MacMullan noted that the Timberwolves are already fielding other offers and currently have a better one on the table than what Boston is offering. A better one from your Chicago Bulls.

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The Timberwolves privately maintain they already have fielded better offers from other teams, among them the Chicago Bulls, who can offer draft picks and some combination of Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson along with Carlos Boozer, whose bloated $16.8 million contract expires next summer and represents the kind of cap space rebuilding teams crave.

If you are Kevin Love and can choose to join a team with top dogs Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah or Rondo and Jeff Green, which way are you leaning?

No offer there is specified, but I'm cool giving up any of the things mentioned above for Kevin Love. Draft picks? Sure. Gibson, don't need him with Love. Butler? Sucks, but he's a role player, and the Bulls are great at finding defensive role playing wings. Boozer? HAHAHA.

We'll see what happens, but this kicks ass for a few reasons:

1: The Bulls are being aggressive.

2: The Timberwolves are actively shopping Love at this point.

3: As of right now, their offer is better than one of the other major suitors.

That said, we don't know if the Celtics have thrown the #6 pick into their offer yet. The article implies the Timberwolves might not find so much value in #6, but it's hard to imagine that #6 and #17 wouldn't trump Gibson + Dunleavy + #16 + #19. Perhaps the Bulls are dangling Mirotic in the deal as well, who knows.

In short, it could be that the Bulls have a better offer than whatever the best Boston is going to offer, or it could be that the Bulls haven't even made an offer and Minnesota is simply trolling to raise Boston's offer.

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  • This is the most exciting news we had in a long time!!!! A trio of 3 All-Starts (Rose, Love and Noa) will make us a true contender next year!!! Hope Love sees this is an opportunity to begin not only appearing in playoffs but potentially collecting rings for himself!!!

  • In reply to BullsDynasty:

    They'd be a contender but I don't think this group would get past the Miami group without improvement in other areas.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Yeah I agree we would still be a one man offense. Having total reliance on Rose to generate all your offensive looks is a recipe for failure. Plus Noah has never stood out against the Heat in a full series and has generally been a non difference maker in most our playoff series. Who knows how clutch Love would be in the playoffs but my guess would be he and Bosh would likely cancel each other out.

    Its not as exciting to me as adding a scoring machine like Carmelo. To me it would be like adding Bosh nice addition but in the end it doesn't make a big difference. Sure most will argue Love scores a lot but he is a shooter who needs to have plays run for him or needs guard penetration to be setup he isn't the guy you just give the ball to and ask to get you a basket. That is the difference between Carmelo and Love. Both blow at D.

  • In reply to Chad:

    Kevin Love creates plenty of his own looks, you wouldn't be just relying on Rose to generate all your looks anymore.

    If you think Noah hasn't been a difference maker in the playoffs, I'd say you're wrong. He guaranteed victory and was crucial over the Nets last year and made "the steal" to win game six in triple OT against Boston.

    He's been a big moment player at many points. Sometimes we're asking him to do things that aren't in his realm though, with Love/Rose that would be less.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    I agree. If they don't give up too much for Love, they might still be able to land Melo.

    Doug wrote, " The article implies the Timberwolves might not find so much value in #6, but it's hard to imagine that #6 and #17 wouldn't trump Gibson + Dunleavy + #16 + #19."

    I am not so sure about that. Who would you get with #6? #6 picks bomb all the time. Gibson and Dunleavy are proven commodities, both on favorable contracts. Taj plays at both ends of the court. Remember, in a fantasy redraft after Taj was taken, models had him going at #4. I think Taj, Dunleavy, and #19 trumps #6.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    I read that one of the reasons that the Wolves aren't enamored with the Sacto pick at 8 is they want Vonleh who will be gone by then. He could be gone before the 6th pick also, they really won't know until draft day. So if Vonleh is their guy then it would have to be one of those draft day trades after the picks are made.

    My guess is that most teams would probably rather have whomever at the 6th pick than Taj, at least before the draft. The potential promise of the draft is like a drug to both fans and executives.

    I think that most Bulls fans would reluctantly trade Taj for the 6th pick, although after Vonleh and Exum my interest drops off quite a bit.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Probably, but Wade is slowing down and Bosh isn't maybe the star people thought he might be, their entire cast will need to be rebuilt soon.

    The Bulls would have a chance (and a much better one than they presently do) to get past them.

    You probably can't do anything this off-season to be definitively better without adding Love and another star, and that's too much to hope for.

    Get this group together then see what minor moves you can make afterwards.

  • Would love (ha) to keep Jimmy, only because he has so much value in our system.

    Taj, Mirotic and two first rounders is a better offer than they'll get from anyone else by far. Perhaps add in Boozer and Kevin Martin, as That increases their flexibility moving forward and we add scoring at the wing.

  • In reply to chwtom:

    "Taj, Mirotic and two first rounders is a better offer than they'll get from anyone else by far."

    It should be a better offer than the T'wolves get from the Bulls also. Mirotic would be top 3 in the draft this year. Taj would have been top 4 a year after the Bulls picked him. Both of these guys could be 2nd tier All-stars, and Mirotic could become more. I would trade one or the other, plus picks, for Love, but not both!

  • Losing Taj and/or Jimmy would suck, but you have to make that trade. It would be nice if they could work out a Boozer + Mirotic + Draft Pick trade, but that doesn't leave Minny with much active talent.

    Also, congratulations to Noah on his All-NBA First Team selection; it's well deserved. Paul, Harden, James, Durant and Noah...that would be one hell of a starting five!

  • Based on history, the Wolves will take a worse deal to trade Love to another team than to accept the Bulls' offer. Contrary to the popular opinion around here, I think GarPax tries to be bold at times, but it takes two to make a deal and nobody seems to want to swing big deals with them. Maybe because Gar is ugly and not a former athlete. Maybe nobody likes Reinsdorf. I don't know.

    I've been a defender of the Bulls FO but when it comes to swinging the big deal, I'm as skeptical as the FO haters usually are.

  • I would be hesitant to throw Butler in on the deal unless the TWolves indicate it would be a dealbreaker if he were not thrown in. I did not agree with Doug the other day when he essentially stated that Jimmy could be readily replaceable as part of Thibs"s overall defensive schemes. If I have misinterpreted Doug's view perhaps he can clarify.

    Not that Jimmy is an all-star but the toughness he brings on the defensive end on the perimeter would be tough to replace. There are only a few players in the league who can guard guys like Lebron with such zeal and effectiveness. I think this attribute is often underrated. I thought Jimmy was more effective than Deng. You miss these types of players when they are gone. Aside from his poor shooting Jimmy is a modern day Jerry Sloan.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    I think we could replace Jimmy pretty easily, we might not get 100% of what Butler brings, but I think Thibs could get an athlete at SG to give you most of what Butler does.

    Guys like Thabo, Tony Allen, Ronnie Brewer, etc, aren't ever high cost guys. You an get defensive wings.

  • I live in Boston and emailing my co-workers this fantastic news as we speak...

    So, Bulls value Love over Melo? Is there any way to attract both?

    Hate to give up any combo of Taj, Jimmy or Mirotic, but, as Doug states, those guys are solid role players... guys that can start, but not all-stars. Mirotic possibly has slightly more upside, but not a ton.

    Hopefully we would keep Mirotic and just lose Taj and Jimmy and picks. We would be instantly younger with a wide open window. Noah would be the oldest and Rose's health would be a big "if", obviously.

    Could Mirotic sign the MLE then? Thus, having Mirotic, Love and Noah getting a majority of the PF and C minutes - along with spot time with G.Smith?

    Could Mirotic play some 3? (Probably not against elite wing talent like LeBron, but here and there?)

    Imagine if the Bulls can find a SG with range... the floor spacing would be amazing for Rose with shooting bigs like Mirotic and Love.

  • The key with Kevin Love is the resign. The Kings are reportedly offering their No. 8 pick and last year's No. 7 pick Ben McLemore, who whether you think he's going to be a bust or not after one year he's still a very valuable, desirable asset IMO. However, if you hear through the grapevine he/Love flat out does not want to go there and will not resign would you really make that deal if your the Kings? Answer: I doubt it.

    Love strikes me as the type of guy who is going to let it be known that only a team with a winning situation can expect to retain his services beyond a one year rental. So Saunders and Minny can say they "require" a top lotto pick, but in reality that may not be a viable scenario.I would think among those winning teams for Love would include Chicago and possibly Houston. So if T-Wolves Pres. Flip Saunders, who's been around, is limited in where he can trade Love then he might have to lower his expectations somewhat as his bargaining power is limited by that fact.

    Houston, who just declined their option on Chandler Parsons, have been aggressive recently in acquiring talent and what Rileyesque miracles they could work through trades, dumping salary, relocating players etc. to pursue Love is a question. Though what could they trade say Terrence Jones that would be more desirable then Taj who averaged 18ppg in the playoffs or Nikola Mirotic shooting 46% from three and over 50% from the field in pro rated action that would see him at over 20ppg in the NBA?

    If Chicago can get it done by parting ways with Taj Gibson, Boozer's contract, and Jimmy Butler who is not an offensive player plus this year's picks(and if you have to next year's first as well) I'd say that trade is a home run. I mean a 9ppg career scorer who yes had a career year and playoffs, and decaying garbage Boozer, with no offense Butler. That is a great deal IMO.

    Still, I have serious doubts as to whether Gar/Pax can pull off a big deal period for an in their prime scorer like Kevin Love. What if Minny wants Mirotic and TaJ, plus both firsts while sending back some a sandbag contract(s)?

    Personally if I can turn a late first round pick plus another late first round pick into Kevin Love then I sure as hell do that. We'll see what Gar/Pax the king of overvaluers decide.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Good points on the bargaining leverage that Minny has. Even with a smaller field of suitors I would still be shocked to see Paxson actually pull off such a big trade.

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    In reply to RoadWarrior:

    They are not sending us garbage contracts back unless they take boozers expiring contract. If we get love, expect Kevin Martin or J.J Barea coming w him.

  • Jimmy and Taj BOTH is a NO-GO, even if they take the Booz off our hands . Thibs would go crazy tryin to play "D" with what was left.

  • In reply to rakmessiah:

    You don't let true all-star caliber guys go because it takes multiple role players to get them. It's a lot easier to find role players when you're starting with Rose, Love, and Noah, then it is to find a star with Rose, Noah, Gibson, and Butler.

  • In reply to rakmessiah:

    The NBA is a superstar league. You can find other guys.

    When the Miami trio was first put together, I heard a lot of folks say, "Bah, you can't win with only three guys" and since then, they've gone to 4 straight Finals.

  • I'm super pessimistic about the Bulls ever making a big move like this. I just don't see it happening. Hopefully they shock the crap out of me.

  • Sorry to be Captain Pessimism, but I imagine the Bulls off-season will look like this:

    NBA Draft:

    16. Bulls choose a pretty good player from a big time school (Duke, Kansas, Michigan St etc..) that’s good at Defense, is a decent shooter, but has limited upside.

    19. Draft an international player and stash him over sees for the next 3 – 5 years.

    Free Agency:

    No Love or Melo.

    Bulls decide Stephenson is a knucklehead and not worth the risk (Totally fair assessment).

    Augustine receives an offer the Bulls feel is out of their price range.

    Bulls resign Hinrich.

    Mirotic decides to stay in Europe another year.

    The Bulls don’t amnesty Boozer.

    16th Pick
    2 Middling Free agents of good character
    1-2 Minimum Salary guys

  • In reply to Hoover:

    While pessimistic, you may have hit the nail on the head, as that sounds like a GarPaxDorf summer.

    However, even though I could be drinking the koolaide, it feels like the Bulls know that they have to make a big move this summer. This story seems to indicate that they are trying, but it takes 2 or sometimes 3 to tango, like Love and/or Melo "forcing" their way to Chicago as their first choice.

  • In reply to Hoover:

    I think that's the fall back plan if they can't swing a deal otherwise. If Melo/Love aren't options then this is better than bidding 12 million on Lance Stephenson.

  • *oops, overseas not over sees.

  • All the whiners expressing pessimism in Gar/Pax ability to do a big deal have a point but it has nothing to do with the Bulls FO. Big deals like this get done in today's NBA when the star player forces it. And in Love's case it isn't in his best interest to have his ultimate team get caught up in a huge bidding war (i.e., Taj, Butler , Mirotic, umpteen #1 draft picks...). We haven't pulled off any big deals because no star has ever put a gun to his current team's head and said "Trade me to Chicago or I'll walk and you get nothing." We have to offer enough to help Minny save face and put a better package together than GST or Houston but not unload every asset we have not named Rose or Noah. Taj plus some combination of Mirotic, and current/ future picks and possible future cap relief from Boozer's 1 year deal vs one or more of their mid-level contracts on multi-year deals (Buddinger, Martin, Brewer...) should be more than adequate - IF Love puts the pressure on to force the deal. And the beauty of such a trade is keeping the MLE and BAE exceptions on the table to help fill in the remaining holes.

    Related question: how would Noah's BFF Corey Brewer fit with the Bulls if he becomes one of the filler's in a deal.?

  • In reply to Huskerpowerforward:

    Totally agree about you gun to the head theory. It has never happened before and we need it to happen this time or we will end up empty handed again.

    Always liked Brewers length and athleticism, but he seems kind of flakey and is unreliable on offense. I guess if Butler was leaving in the deal, it wouldn't suck to take Brewer back as defensive specialist.

    I've read that Love would prefer(perhaps greatly) Golden State over Houston, even though you would think that Houston offers a better chance of winning. Maybe he just doesn't want to live in that sweatbox, which would knock out another top suitor. Of course he probably doesn't want to move to another freezer either.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    He's a California guy, so it doesn't surprise me that GS is a better fit.

    I don't see what Houston has to trade that would even remotely interest the Timberwolves.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The NBA is the only major sport where I hear weather as a factor in where players want to play. Aside from NYC, Chicago beats the pants off every other city in terms of bars, clubs, restaurants and nightlife, and it's much cleaner and easier to live in than NYC. The state of California doesn't even serve drinks past 1:30am, so despite what Hollywood might make you think, L.A.'s nightlife pales in comparison to what Chicago has to offer in the opinion of one person who has spent significant time living in L.A., Chicago and NYC.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Your right as an eat and drink town, Chicago might be the best in the country. I never enjoyed NY or LA. However, for some reason, despite having so many great things going for it, Chicago never seems to have the same sex appeal to free agents, in any sport really. I think the brutal winters really hurt.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    The Bears picked up some really nice FAs the last two years, including Jared Allen, and several fine starters. Winning trumps weather! Every time. Ask MJ. But, for those players who disagree, let 'em leave for CA and FL.

    Plus a NBA star on the Bulls will get more love than in Miami.

  • I disagree with you. The Bulls FO knows they have to come back with something different than everyone from last year and a hopeful healthy Rose. That just WILL NOT happen. Even if there is no Melo or no Love or no other big name NBA star that joins the Bulls, they will not return the same team and hope that a healthy Rose will help to contend. That movie has played out too many times.

    The worse case scenario and probably most realistic scenario is amnestying Boozer, using the extra cash to lure Mirotic and maybe a lesser tiered free agentover here and give Gibson the starting PF job.

    If the Bulls grandiose plans of pursuing stars fizzle, the worse they'll come back with next season is:
    Rose, Butler, Dunleavy, Mirotic, Gibson, Noah, Smith, Snell, one or both of their 1st round picks, with probably Hinrich on a cheap deal, the next PG reclamation project (I'm assuming Augustin is going to get a decent sized contract), and another big man (Nazr Mohammad?).

    I think what is a must, especially if Melo and Love dont work out is the need for a secondary ball handler. I'd like to see the Bulls explore more 2-ball handler sets. I'd like to see the Bulls get a Manu Ginobili type to Rose's Parker. Someone who can also create and shoot. Maybe someone with more size (Shaun Livingston?)

    But back to my original point - there's no way Bulls come back with the same roster as they did this year with only a 1st round pick to add to it. There's no way. I hope.... lol

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    my comment was meant to be directed @ hoover

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    I actually think the Bulls FO is pretty realistic about what it has and what it needs but knowing you need another superstar and getting one are two very different things.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    I've always wanted the Bulls to take a look at Livingston. Now, its going to cost a lot more. I would love to see a Rose, Livingston backcourt.

    What about Elfrid Payton in the draft, a big point guard who plays D and could line up together with Rose. Getting compared to Rondo and Gary Payton.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I always assumed that if we kept our two first round picks in this draft (i.e. no Love trade) we would select a wing and a big. Now, I am not so sure. In case Rose breaks down again I think that fans will not be happy at the prospect of Kirk being the back-up. This assumes that DJ cannot be re-signed to a reasonable deal. If a deal is in place to re-sign DJ then no pg will be selected IMO, which is fine with me.

    In the scenario where DJ leaves I would be all-in for Payton at 19. It appears that the only reasons he is not valued higher is his lack of a jump shot and the conference he played in. As you said he could also line up with Rose. Seems like a good strategy to me.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Well, the lack of a jump shot is a fairly big deal! The Bulls need some shooters, especially at SG.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    Your'e right. I guess I could have expressed it better. It's not that he "lacks" a jumpshot just that it is below average and scouting reports that I have read indicate he is likely to improve. Two years ago he shot 33% from three point land but declined from that last year. He is a scorer, however, and really has some jets on him. Excellent defender.

  • To me, it all hinges on how many draft picks the Celtics want to give up. They own 3 (I think) unprotected first round picks from the Nets. The Nets are going to be really bad very soon. If the Celtics offer up #6 and #17 in this draft and all three of the Nets picks in 2016,17, and 18 (all of which could be top ten picks), I think they will top anything anyone else could offer them.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Yes, you are probably right. Why I think Ainge ends up with Love. Maybe Melo, too.

    Those Brooklyn picks should be in the lottery every year - so you never know how the ball will bounce. How does Ainge pull this stuff off?! 3 unprotected picks and a swap pick for 2 washed up vets? Wow.

  • I'd love to see Chicago keep their two picks and also Taj Gibson. I'm not confident that Love is a better player than Gibson--especially defensively. The Bulls could trade Dunleavy to Phoenix for at least two picks--cause Phoenix needs outside shooting and because Mirotic is coming and he is an outstanding shooter. The FO must not give away half of what's left of the team for a player who is not play-off tested. Granted, Kevin Love is a good and potentially great player but defensively we have not seen his potential. Everything we are hearing about Kevin Love are the same things we heard about Carlos Boozer before he came to the Bulls. Until we see Kevin's greatness performing in a Bulls jersey--we can only then know his potential--in other words too many people assume he is already a better player than he may be.
    Trading Boozer with 3 draft picks should be more than enough for Kevin Love and we still would have Taj Gibson. Trading Gibson would be a big and costly mistake. Trading Gibson, Butler, and our 16th and 19th picks would be obscene and ridiculous.

  • In reply to penwit1:

    I guess you're not a Kevin Love fan based on those comparisions. For all his flaws, Kevin Love is one of the 10 best players in the world right now, and he's only 25. You can't compare him to Boozer when we signed him or Taj, for that matter, and Love represents Mirotic's absolute ceiling IMO. Again, you're talking about one of the 10 best players in the world, only you don't seem to think so.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    I already know that he may be one of the world's best and that's why I would be the first to welcome him, but still he has not proven that he makes players around him better or that he can play defense. I know that he has practiced each summer with Westbrook and Rose and that they think highly of him--but, we never know how good a player is until he has proven he's a winner with our team or even someone else's. And that's what I mean by being playoff tough and experienced. I would be reluctant to give away the whole team for any one player --including Carmelo Anthony. I think Chi needs a player with Love's potential--but, I don't think he's worth giving away the team for his one man services. That's is why we call a team--a team.

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