Aaron Afflalo's available, a good fit, and a bad idea

Aaron Afflalo's available, a good fit, and a bad idea

Aaron Afflalo's biological clock is ticking. He's not a supestar, not even a star. He's a good player who likely won't make too many waves about his location, but he it appears he noted to the Orlando Magic that both sides might be better off if he were to move on rather than to stick around in a rebuilding effort.

From the Orlando Sentinel:

Orlando's classy leading scorer wouldn't mind being moved to a playoff team. The clock is ticking loudly on his career as he'll turn 29 in October.

The Magic can select a point guard at No. 4 this month, perhaps a signal that Victor Oladipo would move to Arron's position full-time. Afflalo could be in play at the June 26 draft. Chicago, Charlotte, Phoenix and Oklahoma City could use two-guards and have multiple first-round picks.

The Magic could deal him at the February trade deadline, the way they did J.J. Redick, in 2013.

Afflalo is one of the NBA's best bargains, scheduled to earn $7.5 million next season.

Aaron Afflalo's a good player. A good fit for what Chicago needs at SG as well. He's also just the right age to bring in for a team looking to contend right now which the Bulls are likely attempting to do. On top of that, Orlando's likely more than willing to trade him.

It's therefore a shame that despite having some assets available, there's no logical way to acquire Afflalo that makes sense for Chicago. Part of the problem is that he's on such a good contract.

Since he only makes 7.5 million next season, which is a couple million less than he might earn on the open market, Orlando won't have a whole lot of incentive to simply dump him to remove his salary. He's a good player on a good deal. Maybe they'd move him for a first rounder and an expiring deal, but do the Bulls want to give up a first for Afflalo?

Since he's on a team friendly deal but has a player option after year one, the Bulls would be giving up that first rounder for a one year rental on Afflalo before deciding whether to reup. Afflalo will then likely earn in the 10-12 million range but have the same issue as Luol Deng.

Afflalo probably fits the Bulls better than Deng as he can knock down the three, but the fundamental problem of using both trade assets and salary cap room in order to pursue a player who's not going to make a major impact remains.

You're paying near star money for a guy who doesn't have star impact. You're doing it as he turns 30, and you're giving up assets for the privilege. I like Aaron Afflalo. However, giving up assets for him only makes sense if he's got a shot to be the final piece.

The problem is that Afflalo being the final piece only makes sense in a scenario where the Bulls first acquire Love or Melo. There are some scenarios where both can happen (the Bulls sign Melo to a FA deal then trade MJD + Butler for Afflalo as an example), but they are likely fringe cases and will depend significantly on what the Bulls have left after a deal for a secondary star.

Overall, if the Bulls land Melo/Love, then they can explore whether they have the right stuff to follow up with an Afflalo trade. If not, then he's not likely worth the assets it will take to get him here for a single year.

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  • As long as Afflalo gives up his option year- and maybe if he doesn't- you trade Boozer for AA and Jameer Nelson, Dewayne Dedmon and Kyle O'Quinn.

    DD and KO have James/Brewer/Amundson contracts that can be a big help in a trade for Melo or Love. And Nelson is only guaranteed $2 million thru July 14th, that's a HUGE help.

    Assuming Rose comes back close to his old self, I'm not worried about slightly overpaying Afflalo if it comes to that. If it lands you Love or Melo, it is 100% worth it. The trade can even go a long way to landing them BOTH if they want to be here.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    Can they acquire Affalo and Nelson and still acquire Melo or Love?

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    That's the case for AA. Otherwise, as Doug stated, I'd pass.

    I feel like if Bulls would take back JR Smith ($6 mil for 2 more seasons) than the Knicks would be super-interested in a trade with Bulls. Maybe Don's suggestion is the way to do it - collect enough expiring deals... helps with or without JR Smith.

    If Thibs can rein in JR Smith on offense, he can help if he buys in. Could push Bulls up against Luxury tax, however.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    Don, BigWay will love the trade of Boozer you suggested. So do I. Only thing is, why would Orlando do that?

    Afflalo is the SG the Bulls have needed forever. Doug asked, "Do the Bulls want to give up a first for Afflalo?" Normally, I would say, of course. It would be nice to see the difference a real SG could make on the Bulls. Especially if Afflalo would opt in for another year.

    However, I would offer the Bulls' 2nd round pick to start. If necessary, move to the 1st round pick in 2015 instead. They could even throw in a #2 from Portland acquired in the Deng trade. This keeps more flexibility with the picks this year.

    I do not see how the Bulls could get Afflalo, Love, and Melo. Did you have a scenario for that?

  • In reply to rustyw:

    Yeah, go read the last article I wrote, it's a pretty long winded scenario which is why I'm not going to cut and paste it here, but it is certainly possilbe.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    Why the hell would Orlando do that?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    They wouldn't of course. My bad.

    I left out the part where the Bulls send them 16 or 19, and even a future 1st for Nelson if need be. Obviously value-wise Afflalo is worth a first, and apparently Charlotte is interested in Nelson. I just don't know if they are interested at $8 million this season, surely they can find a similar player for less salary?

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    I liked O'Quinn coming out in his draft, I'd trade boozer straight up for him. He is kind of a bruiser and a brawler, probably not that much skill but at least the other team knows when he's on the floor.

    However, I don't see Orlando's motivation to make that deal, it is all pain no gain for them.

  • If he really is unhappy and Orlando is focused on rebuilding with younger players, they have an incentive to get whatever they can for him rather than having him around and being disgruntled and a bad influence. He doesn't seem to have that character to become a bad influence but he should know that the way to force things is for him to demand it and push for a trade.

    I think if they draft a point guard, he has to go in and say get rid of me or else. Then the only concern I have from the Bulls perspective is there will be other teams who want him as well. You don't think OKC would love to have him. And if it is up to him, does he go play with fellow UCLA alum Westbrook and MVP Durant or the Bulls. What about the Pacers without Stephenson? There will be other suitors and the issue will be what team does Affalo want to force this trade to make it happen. And Orlando will be seeking the best offer regardless of what the Bulls put on the table. I would not give a first round pick. And I don't think other teams would do that either. It will just be a battle of the playoff teams that could really use him.

  • I have to think that the Bulls are all in for 2 players Melo and Love if that dies I am going to assume they have a secondary plan and who that involves other than Mirotic I have no idea.

    Rumors are the Bulls are offering Taj Butler Boozer and a new one out includes Snell and picks I believe that like I believe a blind man can run across the Dan Ryan at 5pm and get across both sides without getting blasted, by truck car or train.

    It's going to be a hot summer and Bulls are either going to sweat or love the air conditioning

  • Afflalo definitely doesn't appear to be demanding out and acting all disgruntled. I think they'd trade him, but I think they'll want something decent back.

  • . He's a good player on a good deal. Maybe they'd move him for a first rounder and an expiring deal, but do the Bulls want to give up a first for Afflalo?

    More often than not, the bulls don't draft a good player with their lower draft picks. It's just the gems shine harder than the duds. If you're looking at sheer statistics, the odds are in your favor for trading for a known commodity than an unknown.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    The odds are in your favor if all things are equal, but you're also paying Afflalo big money relative to that draft pick and he might bolt for a year. If you get a hit on a draft pick you have him on the cheap for four seasons and matching rights after that.

    Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, but that's the risk you take, it's not just about performance, it's about your potential performance per dollar, if you were able to land a similar caliber player in the draft it would be radically better than getting Afflalo, but as you note, your odds of that aren't really all that good.

  • If you are talking REALISTIC draft possibilities without trading up and WINGS, I'd rather go with Cleanthony Early than AA. Nice 2-way player and the rookie deal adds flexibility. He's 23 and could help sooner rather than later. Nice athlete with size and length and good shooter already. Has been given nothing in life and will work hard.

  • In reply to Granby:

    I'm all about some Cleanthony Early.

  • In reply to Granby:

    Again, we need a real shooting guard, not another "wing" so that Butler can play his best position small forward. Is Early a small forward or a shooting guard, seems to me he is more of a small forward leaving Butler at SG.

    The average pick in the mid to late teens has very little chance of ever becoming as good of a player as AA is right now, thats not my opinion that is just the way the draft plays out.

    Early has more of chance of being James Johnson, Dickey Simpkins, or Tony Snell than he does of becoming AA.

    It's funny how draft picks are so sexy, yet established players who aren't superstars as so boring.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    For what it is worth,

    Chad Ford is reporting today that the bulls have offered their 2 picks to Denver to get #11 with their sights set on a shooter, Stauskis or Harris(I assume that they think that McDermott is off the board by then). I think that they should be targeting Sacto @8 and Charlotte @9.

    The Lakers supposedly would move their pick for a top notch power forward, would they trade for Taj, would Bulls fans be happy to do it.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    You wrote, "Early has more of chance of being James Johnson, Dickey Simpkins, or Tony Snell than he does of becoming AA." Sad but true. Getting a player of Taj's talent in the teens is uncommon. So, trade a 1st round pick for Afflalo. The Bulls lilkely get a much better player than they can draft.

    One problem with that move -- it will use up more cap space (or expirings) that might be needed for Love/Melo.

    Trading Taj for the #6 pick of the Lakers is a roll of the dice. If the FO hits on a SG, he will be locked up for 4 years on a cheaper contract, plus they ditch the cap hold for the 2nd pick. But Taj is medium valuable, he should start for most teams, so they better hit the pick if they make that trade! Otherwise, they blew away a solid asset for squat. Recent drafting history is not encouraging.

  • Compared to the joke Rip Hamilton and Keith Bogans(Brewer) pairings, Arron Afflalo at least has quality numbers and we'd have somebody who can actually shoot the ball. Plus he seems like a quality guy. If Derrick would return and play pretty well 18-20 ppg and up 45% and we still don't want to pay on a resign or can't work it financially whatever.

    Personally I have serious doubts Derrick is ever going to be the same player or near so. So being realistic Afflalo probably wouldn't resign here. However, if you do feel good about a Rose comeback, then get this guy and finally give Rose a decent partner who will open things up and with Rose playing well you probably could get a resign out of Afflalo if you treat him right.

  • Right on, Doug. The NBA comes down to superstars, and the Bulls have one or two too few. The only guys to talk about acquiring are superstar players.

    There are only a few true 1A superstars in the game right now. LeBron and Durant are the only ones you can't debate, or guys like Kobe, Wade or Nowitzki in their primes. Those guys almost never change teams, over the last two decades I can only remember LeBron and Shaq changing teams, maybe Barkley if you go a decade prior to that. There are a bunch of bubble 1A types including Melo in my opinion, and Rose pre-injury.

    Then there are the 1B type of superstars, guys like Love, Paul George, James Harden (bubble 1A), Dwight Howard, maybe Bosh, or Gasol in his prime. Some say that's what Rose always was, and at this point, it's his ceiling.

    If you don't have a 1A type, you better have at least two, if not three 1B types. Think of the Pistons with Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace or the Celtics with their trio of 1B superstars. For the Bulls, you have to hope that Mirotic can develop into a 1B type of superstar, unlikely though it may be. I do not put Noah in that category despite the MVP votes and DPOY, but if Rose and Mirotic are true 1B type of superstars and Noah and Taj continue to play at a high level, that might be enough with a great defense, great bench and a solid starter at the other position (Butler probably not good enough). If you lose Taj, you need another solid starter. And even then, does it get you past Miami with the second best to ever play and two other 1B superstars?

    So then when you talk about acquiring guys, they really need to be 1A or 1B type of superstars like Melo or Love or Durant, don't just spend money to upgrade the team because you're angry they're making profit. The team has multiple holes, but you're better off drafting players to fill them than to acquire non-superstar veterans. So for now, forget Afflalo and for that matter Stephenson, even though I think either would be a nice upgrade. If we see that Rose and Mirotic are true 1B superstar types, then we upgrade the shooting guard but that wouldn't happen this year.

    What could happen this year, is you acquire Melo, a bubble 1A superstar for the next 2-3 years, or Love, a classic 1B superstar for a longer period. Then with Rose another 1B, and likely another strong year from Noah and Taj, you just need a solid starting 2 (like Afflalo) and a great bench. Easier said than done, but the superstar is the hard part. Do that first. The NBA comes down to superstars. If you're still reading, thanks.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    So, Roman, you nailed it. The Bulls have a real shot at one, if not two, superstars this summer. That has to be the priority.

    Afflalo is, of course, a good buy at $7.5 million. But it will be impossible to get Love, Melo, and Afflalo unless everyone except Rose goes. But the FO can't do that because, If Taj goes, it will be critical to keep Noah.

    If the FO knows that Melo stays in NY, then Love and Afflalo is not a bad consolation prize! IF Rose returns to form that might be enough to challenge Miami. Butler, Noah, Love, Rose, and Afflalo might be the top starting 5 in the league. Still will need a couple more pieces, but they should come.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    I'm wondering what category you would have put Pippen in, bubble 1A, 1B? Considering that he was top 50 all time, it would be hard not to call him a true 1A, but it never really felt that way did it.

    Also, can you be a true 1A if you are a liability or worse on D, like Harden who apparently is boozer like bad. Howard at his peak might have been considered 1A by most people, what about Chris Paul?

    Also, I think that Doug has mentioned it, but hasn't made a big deal out of it, the Bulls sort of have to strike this summer, because they start to lose the ability to make moves starting next summer, unless they actively look to clear the books for the summer of 2016.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    For all he brought to the game, it's hard to think of Pippen as a true 1A superstar. I don't think he would have made the best 50 players ever if he was the guy who had to carry the team. It's just so much easier to play when you have a true 1A superstar beside you. Even Mo Williams made an All Star team as a result.

    Great question about being a 1A superstar if you're a defensive liability. You can certainly be average defensively, but a liability? Tough call, probably not in my book.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    There is absolutely no way Pippen is not a 1A superstar. I know it helps to have Jordan by your side, but in the one year without him Pippen was unbelievable. He should have been the MVP of the league that year and if it wasn't for the worst call in the history of sports (my opinion) he would have led the Bulls past the Knicks, easily past the Pacers, and even the Rockets. Was also on the Portland team that may be one of the best ever to not win a Championship.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Yeah, if you don't get something done this year, you're basically going to have to go full rebuild before you can get something done.

  • I came across that same article from the Sentinel yesterday and started thinking about Afflalo and the Bulls(again)

    To me amnestitizing the Hole and using the cap space to add Afflalo & Mirotic is a nice backup plan if nothing works out with Melo or Love.

    But you can't make a move on Afflalo until after you've exhausted your options with regard to Melo and Love.

    Afflalo would also be a nice pickup after getting either Melo or Love or miraculously both, but I don't know if the Bulls would have any assets or space left to get him by then, or if he'd still be available.

    I guess that this is the gist of your headline and article.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Early was a 3/4 at Wichita State, so he is squarely a 3. I like the idea of trading one pick for AA. Then use the other on Adreian Payne or Elfrid Payton. Better yet, draft both and sign Stephenson away from Indiana. I know he is whack, but I think Thibs can bring him around, much like he has with Noah, who was once a screwball too. As for the talk of trading Boozer. He has negative value to every team except NY or LA. Orlando has no interest in next year's cap space when they know LeBron (or any other star) will not go there.

  • In reply to sfpaper:

    I would be quite happy if we got Payne and Payton.

    Noah and Stephenson are not even in the same universe of crazy. Noah was always a good guy, Stephenson seems like he would be in jail if he weren't an NBA player.

    Couldn't agree more on boozer's negative value to everyone including the Bulls for the past 4 seasons.

  • Would much rather have 2 quality players at 7.5million, rather than bringing in the 'superstar' Carmelo.

  • In reply to Jamie W:

    Sometimes a team is better off with that strategy.

    However, the elite players are game changers. It is almost like they have the talent of 2 regular starters in one player! In a sense, then, an elite player on the floor is a bit like having 6 players on the floor.

    If a team is fielding 2 elite players, an opposing team with 5 quality starters simply cannot compete because the talent gap on the court is too great.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    How elite is Carmelo's isolation offense going to be against the better defenders in Paul George, Lebron James, Kawhi Leonard.

    We haven't had a SG with offensive capablities even close to Afllalo. We got beat down by Miami because Rose was our only player that could create and score.

    Say somehow you add players like Afflalo and Ariza who are both making around 7.5 million. I would take that in a hearbeat over adding Melo and I think we would have to lose Gibson.

  • In reply to Jamie W:

    Nope. Melo trumps Afflalo and Ariza because he is much better. Plus, when Melo is on the floor, the Bulls have another player alongside him. If that guy is a starter, those two together are stronger than Afflalo and Ariza. More talent.

    However, the Bulls still need a guy like Afflalo, but that SG should be easier to find than a scoring champ like Melo.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    By no means would I be unhappy if we landed Melo. We have still yet to see Melo play team basketball which Thibs tried to implement this season without the players capable of carrying it out.

    No doubt Melo is would be better than Afflalo and Ariza. It's not just that, correct me if I'm wrong but would we not also have to sacrifice Gibson, Mirotic, Dunleavy and our draft pick. If this is the case we would have Rose, Melo, Noah and no depth. Basically 2 players capable of creating their own offense or we could have Rose, Afflalo, (lets say Ariza), Gibson, Noah + a nice bench. That's kind of like 3 and half players capable of their own offense, obviously not the level of Melo but a more all-rounded attacknig offense.

    People are wanting to replicate what the Heat have done. The odds are against Rose of returning to a top 3 PG and Melo is not in the same class as Lebron. When the Heat came together they had the a top 2 sg in Wade, No. 1 sf in Lebron and arguably top 5 Pf in Bosh. I know the Heat are declining and all but that group of players was better than what the Bulls would have.

  • In reply to Jamie W:

    No. It does depend upon your definition of "quality" obviously but if you mean Afflalo quality, then no, not to win a championship.

    If you're saying you don't think Melo is a superstar or game changer, that's one thing. I'm not sure about that myself.

    Otherwise, you're basically supporting the path the Bulls have taken -- lots of quality players but only one 1B superstar. That's not how it works in the NBA. There are only five guys on the floor and they play both offense and defense. At the end of the game, if you have the best player, you probably win. If you have three of the four best players on the floor (like Miami), you probably win, doesn't much matter who the other six guys are. You need multiple superstars, at least 1B superstars, to win a championship.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Afflalo is a top 10 SG this year, probably 7th or 8th best in the league. Is he going to lead you to a championship? No. I don't think Carmelo is going to do that either.

    Yes Melo is a star player but he is also highly overrated, especially by Bulls fans. Melo's best offense is taking isolation jumpers,I can't see him being a good system player. What's he going to be like in the playoffs with his ball stopping habits against the good defenders.

    What sort of depth are we going to have if we go all in on Melo? Chicago isn't Miami, free agents seem scared to come here. We get the Kirk Hinrich's for 3mil not the Ray Allen's.

    My point was everyone's trying to go big but we have never seen just a 'good' offensive SG or SF alongside Rose. The best we have seen is Rip Hamilton and that didn't work out too well.

  • Isn't Aaron Afflalo better than any SG Bulls have had since 1998?

  • In reply to Edward:

    I'd say Ben Gordon at his peak value killed Afflalo as Gordon was a shot creator for the team, hit craploads of game winners, and took over games. He had his flaws of course, but at his best he moved the needle a heck of a lot more than Afflalo does.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Wow, talk about turning a blind eye. I thought that history had totally resolved the Ben Gordon debate, i.e that he is a counter productive bum.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Just curious, but what is your definition of craploads, more than one?

    Also, taking over a game usually implies winning it, not really Gordon's thing.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    In his first season with the Bulls he was second in the league in double digit double digit fourth quarter scoring, and yes, Gordon hit a bunch of game winners for Chicago. He once hit buzzer beaters on back to back nights against the Knicks in a home and home.

    The Bulls had a ton of success with Gordon here relative to the roster at the time. They won 49 and 47 games with Ben Gordon as their best offensive weapon and Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrich as the next two best guys.

    I'm not suggesting Ben Gordon's a god by any stretch, but what's Aaron Afflalo done that's so great. As Orlando's primary weapon they won 20 something games and that many only because 25% of their competition was actively attempting to lose this season.

    For Gordon's first three seasons with the Bulls his +/- was amongst the best on the team, and he was the primary offensive threat. I get you don't like him, I also get that his flaws made him a player that needed a very unique situation to be successful, but he was still, at his peak, a needle mover for the Bulls.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If I'm not mistaken, the Bulls were almost exactly a .500 team during Gordon's entire stay, so nice of you to cherry pick the 2 winning seasons. To me .500 doesn't move the needle one iota.

    By the way during that time, in real time, I was never on the Hinrich, Deng and Gordon as our "championship core" bandwagon. They were all nothing more than interchangeable everyday kibbles & bits.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I hope you've made your peace with your God, because the world must be coming to an end based on how often we agree with each other lately.

    Pax has been GM since 2003, and each and every one of his 1st round picks have either re-signed or been traded except for one...

    I don't know what the deal is with Gordon, but there has to be some reason why a guy averaged 20 pts/game over a 3 year span from age 23-25 basically disappeared off the face of the Earth after getting a big free agent deal.

    I'm not going to guess or speculate the reason for his disappearance, because I have no clue, but something caused it.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    You don't seem to have a very high opinion of Afflalo. He's one of the most underrated SG in the league, probably ranks 7th or 8th best SG. Ben Gordon can go off some nights as we've seen but he is streaky, can't dribble or defend. Afflalo is a good well-rounded player.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agree completely with BigWay. At his best, Ben Gordon was capable of shooting Bulls back into games with a 12-15 point quarter. However, GORDON WAS NOT capable of hitting game winners and he failed miserably at this. When hot, teams would key their defense on Gordon in the last minute or two and Gordon would regularly miss a highly contested shot or turn the ball over. Ben Gordon was never a closer. Never.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Look, guys, when Gordon was on, he was deadly. The guy could shoot the lights out, just not consistently. Remember the Boston playoff series where 5 games went to OT? The one where Rondo committed the flagrant foul at the end that wasn't? Gordon was the big gun.

    How about the year after the heat won the championship, perhaps because the fix was in? (Wade shot more free throws than the entire Dallas team in one of the games!) The Bulls swept the Heat and Gordon averaged 25 ppg, Nocioni 24 ppg, and Pax looked like a genius GM. Long, long ago.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    This trip down memory lane was brought to you at no charge as a community service!

  • In reply to rustyw:

    Uh, do you also remember that Bulls lost that playoff series to Boston? And that Gordon gave back everything he scored by letting Ray Allen go off too.

  • In trade attempts past what you hear is a team wants something, and then you hear rumors with the Bulls offering something else. That's not how you get deals done. Denver reportedly wants a veteran and the Bulls are offering picks only. If I had the No. 11 pick and can get Stauskas or Harris do I want to give that up for two picks/shots at inferior players/prospects down at 16 and 19? Answer: I highly doubt it.

    I don't know that the Bulls want to trade a vet(Taj?) for the No.11 pick unless they feel Harris or Stauskas can be a quality starter, and also that they have indications that Mirotic is indeed coming over this summer. After Harris and Stauskas you're talking quite a drop off in many scout's opinions though some like Rodney Hood. Myself, if I can get Mirotic and a Harris or a Stauskas I have to feel good about improving my offense. Of course picks are always a risk so if you're unsure about those available at 11 fine, but then why are you trying to get a deal done? Without getting Mirotic, it becomes unlikely you want to move Taj. If they have to wait another year for Mirotic then.. I don't know f-ck.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    I wonder if the Nuggets would take only one of the two first round picks and Butler for the #11? I love Jimmy Butler probably more than most on here, but I would put him in this trade if the Bulls could keep one of their picks to use on K.J. McDaniels. Again, I am probably higher on this guy than most, but I truly believe that he will become another Kawhi Leonard. If the Bulls could get both Harris and McDaniels in the draft and have Mirrotic join as well, that alone would be a successful offseason. Rose, Harris, Dunleavey, Gibson, Noah to start with DJ, Hinrich, McDaniels, Mirrotic, and either Smith or a FA to be named later coming of the bench. I think both lineups give you good offense with strong defense.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Hasn't Jimmy already done enough to merit the 11th pick all by himself? and if he hasn't then I'm certainly not giving up the higher pick.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Mirotic or no Mirotic the Bulls need Taj, they really need both. Somebody still needs to play D and rebound. Neither Harris nor Stuaskis are sure fire NBA starters. Harris will be a homerun if he turns into Afflalo, especially given his midget like size for the position.

    Taj for the Lakers pick, mulling that one long and hard, for Denver's pick, not so much.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I agree, maybe Taj for the #6 pick.

    No way Taj for #11.

  • I don't understand why people continue to say derrick rose won't be the same. ..Russell Westbrook had 2 surgeries in ONE year and a knee drain....he looked Gr8!! Rose is 2 years removed from the acl and pretty much sat the whole season with the mcl... He should be fine..

  • In reply to bullzfan:

    He didn't tear an ACL. Not all knee surgeries are the same.

  • I don't see Afflalo having one year left as a problem, it actually gives the team the sort of flexibility it needs with the uncertainty around Rose. There's two scenarios for next year:

    a) Rose comes back well and the Bulls are a top team again. In that case re-signing Afflalo shouldn't be a problem, the Bulls should be looking to make their win now run and possibly weathering a few years of the tax given the ages of Noah/Gibson/Afflalo.
    b) Rose doesn't come back well, in which case the Bulls need to blow it up and rebuild, so Afflalo coming off the books is a good thing.

  • In reply to Shakes:

    Mostly agree, but Doug's issue is that if you decide to keep him, you are in the position that you were with Deng, you likely need to overpay to keep him going forward. Afflalo at $7.5 million is already at the high end of his value proposition, at $10-12 million not so much value.

    The worst contracts(value wise) under the new CBA are usually the ones between the MLE and the max. A team simply cannot afford too many, likely more than one. We already have 2 in Taj and Noah.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    They're the worst contracts, but they're also largely unavoidable, unless you can get multiple max players. And by not tanking this year, that ship has sailed for the Bulls.

  • So, who would become a decent player for the Bulls? Stauskas? McDaniels? Early? Harris? Payton? Payne? If you want BPA, then who is that?

    That is one reason why the draft can be so fascinating.

    However, even if the FO finds the guy, how fast will he develop? Look at Tracy McGrady and Rashad Lewis. By the time they turned into something special, they left the teams that had drafted them! The team needs Thibs to develop guys faster, or else find out they need to be dumped.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    isn't BPA a banned substance(in baby formula or plastic bottles)

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Yes, if we have nursing babies. Hopefully the FO can avoid those for our NBA team. But a couple of Best Players Available would be nice - which the Bulls did not get the past two years!

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