Bulls Beat #314 - Seeding

Bulls Beat #314 - Seeding

I discuss the Bulls week, the playoff race, and the rest of the Bulls season.

Bulls Beat #314 - Seeding

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  • The NBA must have changed the seeding rules. I remember when the Bulls were seeded fourth, even though they had a better record than the Celtics, because the division leaders got the top seeds, but apparently no longer (although the Raptors apparently do not fall below 4).

    Evidently, the only real race in the Eastern Division is if the lottery fouls up the 76ers' and Bucks' quest for the top pick.

  • In reply to jack:

    They changed them awhile back. Now a division winner is guaranteed a top 4 seed, however, home court is determined by record not seed, which means that a division winner can be the 4th seed but not have home court advantage against the 5th seed (which in practice makes them the fifth seed).

    In this case, the Bulls can get the 3rd seed.

  • I enjoyed the Luol Deng discussion. He's confirming what most fans here have thought for years -- he's not a difference maker. He's one of the least effective two-time all-star you'll ever see. Really good player but not worth what he thinks he is. He was probably looking for $15MM per year, now he probably won't even get the $10MM that the Bulls were offering.

    More than 45 wins is sensational after Rose went down and Deng was traded. This team looked like it was heading for maybe 30-something wins, and even those would only be because Thibs would grind them out. It seems like having him as coach gives you an automatic 40 wins per year.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Yeah, for some reason players who seemed below average come to the Bulls and play above average, at least the Gs do. Year after year. However, this team needs the strong SG, hopefully from the draft this year.

    I think Carmelo is much less likely to sign with Chicago since Jackson is now in NY. Which might not be the worst thing if the team drafts really well.

    Of course, Chicago will want to bring over Mirotic, but after that, assuming Boozer is gone, who else can they get of the FAs? I thought maybe Stephenson, but BigWay assures me that is not financially possible. I guess we will see.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    If they bring over Mirotic, they'll likely have very limited cap room to do anything else. Stephenson won't likely be an option.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    However, if the Bulls traded Gibson, then they would have the space to sign Stephenson, correct? I am not sure that move would work out well, but it could turn out to be a huge upgrade. It is a throw of the dice.

    Previously, I was of the opinion that the team should trade up in the draft, offering their 2 1st round picks plus Taj to do so. Now,, however, it seems that a pick at #11 might do as well as one at #5, so that might not be as smart a move as in most drafts. This is a deep draft, according to the pundits.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I'd love to fit Jordan Hill into that remaining cap space, he went for 28 & 13 last night starting for Pau Gasol. I've liked him for a few years now, but he just seem to keep bouncing around, don't really know why. Not good enough to be a legit starter, probably, but probably thinks that he should be?

    Don't know if he will be looking for a starting role on any team, vs a backup role on a contender. But a front line of Noah/Hill, Mirotic/ Gibson would be very solid and versatile. Probably not enough minutes to go around to keep them all happy, but no one would need to play crazy minutes.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Cutting down the minutes without cutting the quality on the floor could be huge! Thibs might have a panic attack due to the strangeness of it all! (Trying a little comedy myself, BigWay.)

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Thibs definitely seems to be worth quite a few wins in the regular season.

    He also got the Bulls an upset playoff victory against Brooklyn last season, so he might be worth some playoff wins too.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Deng has been over rated for most of his career by the majority of Bulls fans. They are still pining for him over at Bulls.com. Doug got it right today, but if memory serves me right, he has been up and down on Deng over the years too. I totally agree with the call that he has been over rated even on defense. His single best quality was effort, which is a lot, and keeps you from disliking or hating the guy, but isn't enough to make you a difference maker, kind of like every Bull since the Jordan days not named Rose(and maybe, maybe Noah)

  • Not 100% sure, but I believe when they changed the rules allowing the division champ to drop down to 4th seed instead of being guaranteed at worst 3rd, the normal tiebreaker rules don't apply and the division champ automatically owns the tiebreaker. I am pretty sure the tie goes to Toronto.

  • In reply to aaaa:

    You are correct. I just double checked.

  • I think that it is more likely that we fall to fifth behind Brooklyn rather than catch Toronto for 3rd. Heck, if anyone catches them it is likely to be Brooklyn again. That just means that we won't have home court in that first round series, just like last season, which seems about right since we lost Rose again, and added the loss of Deng this season.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Cavs up 14 on Raps at halftime...

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