It always feels good to beat Miami

It always feels good to beat Miami

On a day where Derrick Rose proved to have as much media sense as LeBron James pre-decision, the Bulls pull off the shocking upset that's no longer a shock.

Granted, this time the Heat were playing without Dwyane Wade and Chris Anderson, but one would think they'd still find little trouble dispatching a hapless Bulls team which just lost to the Jazz, Cavs, and Davis-less Pelicans. Nope.

As I thought might happen, a matchup against their hated rival snapped the Bulls out of their recent lackluster defensive play and put the energy back in their game. Miami wasn't getting any loose balls last night.

For one night, Chicago got to see Bulls basketball again, and even though I'd definitely prefer to finish the season with under 20 wins and hope for a top three miracle, I'll always love it when the Bulls defeat the Miami Heat.

Seriously, WTF Derrick.

Before discussing some of the individual performances, I have to just ask the Derrick Rose camp, "What the hell?". Do you go out and find a media adviser and ask them what not to say then go with that?

This is the perfect time to discuss why you won't recruit other players to help your team win, and why not mention that you might be back for the playoffs if things are just perfect. That attitude worked so well for you last year.

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but Derrick Rose has got some serious media maturity to do.

Joakim Noah dominated both on and off the court

It's so much fun to watch Noah against the Heat or any team he really dislikes for that matter. He definitely takes things personally. Noah's been slogging through the season so far, but the guns were out last night, he dominated the glass, and chipped in 17 points for the Bulls.

He continued his domination after the game giving the poor beat writers something fun to write about. It's like Joakim Noah is the anti-Rose when it comes to the media.

"People in this city, they don't like (the) Miami Heat. We don't like the Miami Heat. It always feels good to beat them."

Hell yeah we don't.

Luol Deng continues his torrid play

Luol Deng set a personal best with a sixth game in a row scoring over 20 points. I was somewhat surprised by that stat when they announced it. You would have thought Lu would have had a hot streak before and done it, but apparently not.

I'm still hoping that this increased play leads to increased trade value more so than a bigger new contract from the Chicago Bulls. We've seen Deng for a decade, and I simply don't trust him to continue playing offense like this, particularly in the playoffs when it matters most.

Taj Gibson continues to wear the big boy pants

Gibson's playing with ridiculous confidence in his jumper this season and is simply knocking it down with regularity. He's quickened his release and shoots with no hesitation whatsoever. Gibson's giving the Bulls the offense they've always wanted out of him, and after looking like a questionable contract last season now looks like a bargain.

Snell yeah!

Tony Snell may have a PER of 11.1 because he doesn't do a whole lot in the box score other than shoot, but the Bulls may have finally found exactly what they were looking for. His three point shooting is presently sitting at 42.3% on 2.2 attempts per game. He's gotten hotter as he's played more minutes though.

I think Snell still has a ways to go defensively, but he has all the tools in the toolbox to become a tremendous defender. He looks like he can finally help blend defense and offense at the two guard position. The Bulls may have just done it again from the mid-late 1st in a crappy draft no less.

Teague raised his PER!

If I'm not mistaken, he was sitting at a -7.9 and moved it up to a -7. He still lowered his FG% by shooting 0-3 and missing both his free throw attepmts. Let's just say Teague didn't do anything last night to improve his odds of avoiding the D-League.

The Bulls have had a history of miracle performances against Miami with their back up PGs. Nate Robinson, John Lucas, and CJ Watson have all taken down Miami with tremendous performances. Marquis Teague doesn't look like he's joining that group any time soon.

Carlos looks tough against the HEat

Second time in a row that Carlos Boozer annihilated the Miami Heat with his offense. In the end, much like Deng, I can't get too excited about it until I see him do it in the playoffs though.

One night only...

The Heat didn't want this win like they did last year when the Bulls ended their streak. LeBron spent most of his time laughing on the sidelines during the loss like he was doing his Joe Smith impression.

That said, it's nice to get a reprieve from the crap that will be this Bulls season and get a nice win even if it ultimately just puts us one game further from landing a superstar in the draft.

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  • I think Snell has really benefited by knowing he will get his minutes somewhat regardless of how well he is playing, as opposed to the quick hook he was subject to when not part of the regular rotation. It has allowed him to relax and I think he is playing much better as a result. We'll see how Thibs manages his minutes when Butler returns.

  • In reply to bjb57:

    Good win for the Bulls in beating the Heat but lets be clear, the Heat were missing some big time players in Wade and Birdman who seems to always out play allof the bulls bigs. I agree that hopefully Dengs terrific play as of late will gain more trade value cause as I have said before, this team needs a sg shot creator in the worst way. Just watching Deng trying to create his own shot dribbling theres a wonder he doesn't get stripped more than he actually does. This is not a tanking roster, but a roster that needs a couple of pieces that will continue to compete and I agree with Doug, Deng cannot be trusted to keep this type of fantastic play he's going thru now for the foreseeable future and especially come post season time. The Bulls need to make a move with Deng now and trade him while his trade value should be at a season high.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    A lot of players seem to have great seasons with a new contract on the horizon, and not just in the NBA. However, in the NBA the contracts are guaranteed, whereas in the NFL they are not. If a team gets tricked by a player having one great year, they can be hogtied financially for years.

    The FO has to pay attention to the history of Deng and others and not blow the opportunity to finish building a dominant team. Cost/benefit analysis, guys!

  • Once again, the Bulls tease with their potential. When we see a game like last night, we can't help but wonder, What could this team do with a healthy Rose and Butler? What could they be with another star? Our hopes are lifted, but then in the playoffs they plummet again. Frustrating.

    Well, I have to admit the FO has drafted plenty of potential. Even without Rose, this group could make some noise in post season -- PROVIDED everyone can stay healthy and perform up to their potential. Will that ever happen? Seeing is believing -- maybe.

    Emotion can carry a team for a single game. I recall when the Bulls were in their second 3-peat. One night they played on the road against a weak team missing three of their starters. Seven opposing players suited up for the game, yet they killed the Bulls! It wasn't close. But it would never happen in a series.

  • Enjoying the Cheap Thrills? This is like looking at airbrushed photos of a Playboy centerfold or model instead of actually dating one. It means nothing, its the regular season. Bulls kissed their sister last night.

    Miami is coasting through the regular season with an excellent record and doesn't give a DAMN about any supposed rivalry with Bulls during the regular season. Miami knows when games matter and it ain't in December.

    Bulls need another Star Talent, not regular season posers.

  • In reply to Edward:

    The "Bulls need another Star Talent." I agree 99%. The other 1% is only because one time a team did win it all with just one star.

    The Bulls will get a better shot a another star by getting into the lottery this year.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Enjoying cheap thrills? Absolutely.

    The point of watching sport for me (and everyone is different) is for the enjoyment that brings. If you can only enjoy your team when they win a championship then watching sports is likely a fairly miserable experience for you.

    I agree that the Bulls need to get more star talent to get to the title, and I agree that hitting the lottery this year would be a good move towarsd that end.

    That said, you might want to sit back and enjoy the fun moments like these when they happen.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    We're whistling at the pretty girl walking by, but too afraid too actually talk to her. If you enjoy that, be my guest.

    The Bulls are an iconic franchise with a dynastic pedigree. We have higher expectations and rightfully so. Chicago is a MAJOR market and internationally known city. I have been in China the last 2 months for work and I can tell you whenever I mention I’m from Chicago the first thing that comes to the mind of the Chinese is either Bulls or Jordan – NOTHING ELSE, that’s our city’s identity internationally. What would the Chinese say without the two 3-peats? Al Capone? Nothing but a blank stare? They never mention Nate Robinson and a 1st round playoff win.

    This present Bulls team, even with a healthy Rose – and that is a shaky proposition – are not a championship team. Management needs to take steps to add significant talent to this roster, and the Bulls best chances are with the draft.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Enjoying positive moments when they happen and hoping the team can put the pieces together to win a championship are not mutually exclusive.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I agree, but while I totally enjoyed last nights win, it was somewhat muted enjoyment now that Rose is out for a second straight season. It was satisfying, but there was no hootin and hollerin.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agreed, emotions are not mutually exclusive.
    However, winning regular season basketball games and obtaining a much needed talent injection by securing a better 2014 draft pick are mutually exclusive.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agreed. That game was fun to watch on many levels.

  • Yes, we all know, regular season wins mean nothing, only regular season losses have any value.

    LMAO at the notion that LeFlop didn't take this game seriously- did you not watch the first minute?

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    Did you not watch the rest of the game? LeBron was laughing and joking around while getting blown out. I think it's fair to say he wasn't too upset about it.

    I don't think Luol Deng drives past LeBron when LeBron is putting his full effort into a game.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    He was ready to come back in when the Heat got within 12/14 in the 4th, and was already at the table when Deng hit the 3 to push it to 19 with ~3 minutes left.

    It wasn't a playoff game, but to intimate he didn't care would just be wrong. He was still taking the game seriously in the 3rd as well, again it wasn't a playoff game but it wasn't the Bobcats in last February, either.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    He was looking over at Spoelstra like "really? You're really putting me in?".

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Its pretty hard to watch the game while mining the entire internet for some obscure stat to justify your mancrush on Teague.

    I totally agree with you on this one too. You could see throughout the second half that Lebron and the rest of the guys on the bench were totally disengaged and laughing it up almost as much as if they were on the winning end of a blowout. It was obvious that this game meant nothing to them in the grand scheme of things. Basically without Rose, they pretty much laugh at the Bulls the way that an elephant swats at a gnat.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    No, because intelligent basketball observers, guys who actually played the game like Reggie Miller and Greg Anthony, could see that Teague played much better last night. And they pointed it out on more than one occasion.

    I'm proud to be in the intelligent group. But I guess those guys are idiots?

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Reggie Miller and Greg Anthony agreed with me, and pointed it out more than once.

    But I guess two guys who actually played the game and are paid to analyze it don't know what they are talking about either?

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    If you were half as intelligent as your ass, you would understand what the role of national announcers is, and how little they know about the day to day of the teams that they cover. Saying that Teague is playing better when all he did was not suck massive dick isn't saying much, or particularly intillegent. But surprise, surprise, your proud of yourself.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    By the way, in case you didn't notice, or are having difficulty in English comprehension, this particular response section was about Lebron not caring about the game, and had nothing to do with Teague, but your desperation to prove yourself to yourself knows no limits.

    But at least we can say one thing definitively about Teague, even at a -7 PER, he is a better NBA player than you are an observer, assuming that you actually ever watch the game.

    At least try to get back on topic, there must be some stats out there which "prove" that Lebron and the Heat were really trying like it was game 7 of the finals, if not I am sure that you will make some up.

  • What an awesome win, the Bulls proved they can still compete for a championship this season. They are still a #3 seed, it's going to be nice to see Snell and Teague get some much-needed playoff experience.

    Once they get past the first round, hopefully Rose can come back for Miami or Indy in the 2nd round.

    Speaking of Teague, welcome to the league young man. He had to play almost 20 minutes and the Bulls added 2 points to their lead in his stints. Nice to see him prove he's an NBA player after all, no more trips to the D-League for him!

    I guess that flight to Iowa scared him straight!!

    Deng with his sixth straight 20 point game, first time in his career that has happened. Great to see him continue to improve.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    For anyone who watched last season, Rose is not walking through that door. IF Rose does walk through that door, he'll be shooting 35% from the field and extremely rusty.

    The east is bad, so there is some truth to your suggestion that the #3 seed is attainable still without Rose.

    That's why GarPax needs to trade Deng and Hinrick soon. Thibs can grind all he wants, but the Bulls will not make the playoffs without those guys and with Butler out for the foreseeable future.

    Trade Deng now instead of letting him go after this season, or, perhaps worse, signing him to another 4 years at $13 million/year.

    Who cares if the Bulls beat Detroit in a round one playoff series if it means they are picking late in next year's draft and Deng is either gone or signed to another bad contract.

    It tough to "tank", but this is a dream scenario with Rose out.

    What would Reggie Rose want? Would he want to keep Deng at $13 mil/year? Or, would he want to tank this year with D.Rose out in order to preserve value and get young talent for the future? As much as Reggie sucks, I bet we are on the same page.

  • In reply to Granby:

    "Young talent for the future"? We already have Butler, Snell, Mirotic, and the Charlotte pick all 23 and under. They already have two All-Stars in their primes, and another guy in Taj who is playing like an All-Star.

    I'm pretty sure the Bulls aren't looking to rebuild. I have no doubt they'll trade Deng if they get a great offer, but I have almost as much doubt that they won't get even one halfway decent offer.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    I'm in the camp that believes they should trade Deng for future talent or a current rotation player, even if its a middling 1st rounder but my guess is the Bulls are going to Ben Gordon the situation. Let him play his heart out and give the Bulls a good solid season and make a limited playoff run and watch someone else cough up 13-14 million per year it will take to resign him. I very much doubt your belief that the Bulls will want to resign Deng, especially with the luxury tax their main concern. I'm pretty sure the Bulls have already decided to extend Butler which means Deng is out of the long term plans.

  • In reply to Defense-Rebound13:

    I pointed out a few days back how the Bulls can keep Deng, bring Mirotic over, and stay out of the Luxury Tax for the next two seasons.

    They'd have to trade Taj or Butler to do it, but as long as they amnesty Boozer they'll be fine.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    That raises a couple of questions:
    1) Talent-wise, are the Bulls better off with Deng or Butler? Or, are they better off with Deng or Taj? Right now, of course, the answer is each case is Deng.
    2) However, does history give us any reason to believe Deng will continue to play near his current level? No. Does history give us reason to hope Deng will play strong in the playoffs? No. Does history cause us to fear that the FO may overpay for a FA, including Deng? Yes.
    3) Could the Bulls sign Butler to an extension at or a little above that of Taj? Probably. Are Butler and Taj together at about $15 million per year a better deal than Deng at $12.5 million per year? Sure. Should Butler continue improving the next few years while Deng is declining? Most likely. So, looking ahead, which signing, Deng or Butler, gives the Bulls the stronger talent? Which one gives the team more financial flexibility for future acquisitions?
    The signing that ties up less money.

  • In reply to Defense-Rebound13:

    Ben Gordon played his heart out, when exactly, was that in the same parallel universe that boozer plays his heart out.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    Yes, Butler, Snell, Mirotic and the Charlotte pick are great. But, why not swing for a top 3-5 pick this year instead of drafting around 18-20 in the first round. That would be a major haul for this team. Would we rather have Randal or your boy Cauley-Stein? Hell, even a shooting/scoring wing like James Young later in the top 10 would be nice. That's the difference in picks.

    I'd rather have a top 10 Rookie from a strong draft with a nice rookie contract than Deng at $12-13 million from ages 29-32. I like Deng, but I don't think he's worth that kind of salary. And, if he's not going to be here, just cut him loose now.

  • In reply to Granby:

    Because this team isn't sniffing a 3-5 pick, even without Deng and Hinrich.

    They won a playoff series last year without Deng and Hinrich, and while Nate the Hall of Famer is gone, I'm not sure trading Deng and Hinrich even get you out of the playoffs in this year's pathetic Eastern Conference. Butler will step up, Snell will step up, Taj and Noah will step up, whatever two players replace Hinrich and Deng on the roster would be here...

    I'm still all for trading Deng if he's gone either way, of course, I just don't see it.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    I don't think they can get a halfway decent offer for Deng either, but the fact remains that Deng doesn't fit into the Bulls future plans IMO.

    Deng wanted an extension this summer. The extension would have been for three years. Now if the Bulls sign him it has to be for four years.

    Given his age, miles, and declining shot prior to this season, it would make little sense to want to lock Deng in for four more seasons at a hefty price if you could have done so for three.

    That's a very steep penalty for waiting a year on Deng. On top of that, management has frequently mentioned having "flexibility" to add players this off-season. That is only the case if they amnesty Boozer and let Deng walk.

    So even the management rhetoric indicates they're leaning towards letting Deng go.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    But why wouldn't you want to do that if you could simultaneously get rid or either Taj or Jimmy

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    In reply to Don Ellis:

    LOL the Bulls won for the second time in the last 8 games and they're suddenly a championship contender again??? Your delusion knows no bounds......

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    I don't know how you could look at Teague's game and think "wow, he's not going to the D-League now!". He was 0-3 from the field, still missing layups.

    Yeah the Bulls as a team didn't get destroyed while he was on the floor, but +/- has a really weak link to anything meaningful. It rarely translates year to year or team to team for a player.

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    In reply to DougThonus:

    But, but, he was +2!!! LOL

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Because I wasn't expecting 15 and 9 out of him?

    Again, he played better last night than ANYONE thought he would. MUCH better, in fact. And that's all I said.

    And yes, +/- is worthless team to team or year to year, but for one game it can tell us that the team played well with Teague out there.

    All the "Teague will never be a player" people need to chill for a minute, and quit putting words into my mouth.

    Admit that he played much better than anyone thought he would last night, and move on. He could go back to complete suckage tomorrow night, but we're discussing last night game, right?

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    An outing where he misses all 3 of his shots, both his free throws and manages a whopping 1 rebound and 3 assists in 19 minutes is "much better than anyone expected". You're making the case for how awful Teague is when what by any other player would be considered an invisible night is something to hype up.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Thats what you do when your only purpose in life is to prove how much smarter you are than everyone else, you grasp for any shred of "evidence" regardless of how meaningless that allows you to foolishly crow, see I was right, man am I smart.

    I mean isn't it obvious to everyone that Teague was the best player on the floor for all of his 19 minutes, even though he had by far the worst plus/minus of any Bulls player that broke a sweat, assuming that he even did that.

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    In reply to BigWay:

    But, but, Reggie and Greg said Teague's 0-3, 0-2 was MUCH better! Take that D-league!!!

  • In reply to BullzBrian:

    It sure is funny, just because Teague plays a decent game and makes some folks look like fools, now even former NBA players don't know what they are talking about.

    Thanks for the laughs, folks!!

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    Teague is kind of a bad basketball player. I can beat him at horse. He's not smart and cannot shoot. D is below average. Not sure why he was ever considered so good even coming out of high ach

  • In reply to Granby:

    School.

  • In reply to Granby:

    D is below average?

    Sorry you lost it there, his defense is the only area of his game that is up to NBA level right now.

    Look up his 3pt% as a college freshman compared to Butler, Snell and Dunleavy- I already did, but apparently everyone ignored it.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    No actually, the only area of his game that is NBA level right now, is his ability to dribble drive penetrate the lane, which he then follows up with his non NBA ability to miss any layup or not create a shot for his team mates, his defense is about on par with Mike Dunleavy's.

    and what does a comparison of his college 3 pt % to Butler, Snell and Dunleavy have to do with his D, or just about anything else that matters for that matter.

  • In reply to BullzBrian:

    I don't know whose more proud of himself over that performance, Teagues mommy or the Paducahville putz';s mommy.

    Teague played so much better than he usually does, that only Einstein himself could have figured it out. I am sure that the formulas involved were much more difficult to compute than any involved in the theory of relativity.

  • In reply to BullzBrian:

    By the way that 0-3 included the usual missing layups at the rim, which is much better than what he usually does, isn't it, no actually, it is exactly what he always does.

  • While it is frustrating to watch Chris Bosh play Mr. Softie last night, you will never see a fully commited Heat team until May and June. With that said, I still wonder if a Chris Bosh for Omer Asik trade makes sense for this team?

  • In reply to RichG:

    That would be a game changing trade for Miami, but I don't see them doing that this season. Plus with Bosh having an opt out, it becomes a huge risk for the Rockets While I doubt that Bosh would want to leave the Heat while he has a chance to 3 peat, maybe he would want to play with Dwight so that he never has to play center again.

    I don't think that there could be a more nauseating turn of events for Bulls fans.

  • "LeBron spent most of his time laughing on the sidelines during the loss like he was doing his Joe Smith impression."

    ...and this is exactly why I hate LeBron. God. I. Hate. LeBron. So. Much. I think LeBron actually does hate to lose. But, like an immature teenager, when he doesn't do well, he would rather pass off that failure as simply not trying. Oh, nevermind about this blowout loss, I wasn't trying anyway, ha ha ha. Would Jordan do that?

    Remember: you can't spell "Heat" without "Hate".

  • In reply to bfranke:

    I don't think that's true. LeBron has shown extreme poor losing mentality in the past when he refused to shake hands with teams after playoff losses or when they lost the 33 win game streak last season to Chicago and he ranted in the locker room.

    No, I think he just knows the regular season, particularly in December doesn't mean a whole lot to his goal of winning a title. If there was something special on the line, then I think he'd be a whole lot different, but he knows the absolute worst case for Miami is to get into the playoffs as the #2 seed, and the route to the finals means he has to go through Indiana and a bunch of crap regardless of what seed the Heat are.

  • Can we still tank, but beat Indy and Miami the remaining 4 games that we play them.

    I'm totally on board with tanking, but I cannot stand losing to the Heat or the Pacers, so I'm rooting for 4-61 the rest of the way.

    As for Deng, the minute he hit that last 3 to get to 20 points I figured he had to be getting close to his personal record for consecutive 20 point games. The fact that 6 is his record and he did it in his tenth season which just happens to be a contract year(his last big one) is scary, as in buyer be ware scary.

  • It kind of got lost in the excitement of the win, but did anyone else notice/think that Dunleavy was a disaster last night. He looked lost like a deer in the headlights or a highschool player playing on an NBA team. 3 point shooting aside, I thought that he was a much more savvy player than he has shown so far.

    Maybe we can trade Dunleavy and Teague to Miami for Beasley and Cole. I've never really been a Beasley fan, but Dunleavy can be their new Mike Miller and Beasley can be our new Nate.

  • If the Heat are so apathetic toward the regular season, why are they looking to trade for a guard to take Wade's place?

    That's obviously a regular season move, why bother?

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    They want to make a move precisely because they don't care about the regular season., They're looking for a SG so that Wade can play less during the regular season. Unless you think they're going to get someone better than Wade, that is a move that makes their regular season record worse.

  • In reply to Shakes:

    Remember, when in doubt, one must always grasp at any and every straw in a vain attempt to justify ones position, especially, when in your position is always the opposite of what is obviously correct to virtually everyone else on the planet. Clearly, that is the only way to prove that you are indeed the most intelligent basketball mind ever, and of course maintain your Napoleanic pride in yourself, while laughing all the way to the homeless shelter.

  • A tidbit from Nerdapaloozaville

    Apparently Brook Lopez is the best defensive center in the NBA, even better than Roy Hibbert, at least that is what the stat says. Teams are shooting only 36% against him this season when he contests a shot, #1 in the league, #2 in the league is Roy Hibbert at 38%.

    Hey, there is no disputing it, I found one obscure fact which "proves" it, I'm so proud of myself, anybody who disagrees with me is an idiot, I'm so smart that I just can't stop laughing at what idiots you all are. blah, blah, blah welcome to the NBA Marquis Teague, you are so much better than Nate Robinson or even Tony Wroten.

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