Gilbert Arenas thinks the Bulls need him, I think he's right

Gilbert Arenas thinks the Bulls need him, I think he's right

"With Derrick Rose being down, Chicago could use some more scoring. They're struggling a little bit.". The Bulls are struggling quite a bit, but with Deng and Butler hopefully just around the corner, those struggles could turn around.

The Bulls are expected to bring in D.J. Augustin whom will significantly upgrade Teague/James at back up PG and probably upgrades Kirk Hinrich the way he's played recently. This is a dangerous ploy by the Bulls. The Raptors waived Augustin for a reason. They're trying to lose too.

Enter Gilbert Arenas. Who's looking to mount a comeback. The Augustin signing hasn't been made official yet, the Bulls still have time to reverse course and do the right thing.

I have plenty of faith in both Bulls PGs right now. Kirk and Teague look like they're driving the ship right into the ground. However, D.J. Augustin might bring something positive to the mix with his ability to create his own shot and knock down a three.

If we can land Arenas, not only will our performance plummet, but it will send a clear signal to the rest of the guys to throw in the towel. What could be better than having Gilbert dribble the ball up the court and take 40 foot jumpers rather than passing?

This is a strategy sure to win a top draft pick. The Bulls are 2-9 in their past 11 games with losses to Utah, Milwaukee, and New York. They're tanking underdogs right now, but their recent record suggest they're playing the amongst the worst basketball in the NBA against lousy competition as well. They started in a hole, but have gained ground fast.

They CAN do this thing. It's not a pipe dream to get a top pick.

This is where we need Jennifer Swanson to step in. She needs to make sure Luol Deng and Jimmy Butler are 110% before returning to the floor. Let's not risk any long term injuries here folks. Let's at least get past the next three games against Toronto, Milwaukee, and Brooklyn.

We brought you in for a reason Jennifer, now's your time to shine for Bulls nation. You need to protect this thing, the Bulls sinking this ship isn't an automatic, it's a delicate balance that will require teamwork and everyone rowing in the right direction.

Taj Gibson said it best on D.J. Augustin "He's a veteran guard, he's a good scorer; he just needs the opportunity.".

I know bringing in a guy the Raptors waived seems like the losing strategy we need, but it's a high risk proposition. Augustin can score, he can shoot, he can create. He may not be great at these things, but he does fill a hole even if he's not so good an NBA player. That's a potentially scary proposition.

The Bulls can't afford to take that risk. Instead, let's move to an Arenas/Iverson/McGrady back court. Those guys can get this thing done and send a message to the rest of the team that the season's over.

Think about it. We owe it to Jabari Parker. I mean what kind of hell would he go through if he lands on the Bucks and has to toil away in Milwaukee for a the first eight years of his career? We owe it to one of Chicago's own to protect him from this potential horrific fate.

On top of the tangible benefits we'd receive on the court, what could make the rest of the season more interesting than having a blogging quote machine on the team? It's tough to stay interested in the games these days, but if Arenas was dropping quotes every post game? That'd be something to tune in for.

On and off the court this is a losing move, and that's just what Chicago needs.

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  • Yes, we must sign him but not just for this year, no reason to stop the tank after just one season. Next year even if Rose doesn't have a season ending injury, he'll still be very rusty. The rookies will be adjusting and learning how to play in the NBA so they're not likely to give us great production right off the bat. Basically it means that we're not likely to win anything next year too so we might as well tank again and next year's draft has some centers who could potentially replace Noah down the line.

    To solidify it, Deng needs to be traded. If we're thinking past this season, it would make sense to trade Deng to Indiana for Granger, Solomon Hill and maybe a 2nd round pick. Sure, Solomon Hill isn't particularly good but that's not the point of the deal. The best thing about this deal is that it would make Indiana better and if Deng resigns there and George and Hibbert continue to improve it all but guarantees that we'll not win anything for the next 3 years and we could tank safely without worrying about having even a small chance to win a title. And of course it goes without saying that this trade improves our chances of getting Jabari this year.

    We could capitalize on a Deng for Granger trade by trading Noah to OKC for Perkins, Collison. and a future 1st. Noah would improve OKC not just this year but the next 2 years as well and we will be worse not just this year but the next 2 years as well. This will get us even higher draft picks in the next couple of years and we wouldn't even have to work hard to tank, the tank would just be rolling on its own.

    GarPax need to stop living in the past and start thinking about the future. We've tried winning a title for the last couple of years and failed miserably, it only makes sense to shift the focus from winning titles to winning lotteries.

  • In reply to FibGld05:

    The reasons why we won't win this year are obvious and virtually impossible to argue against. The reasons you made up why we can't compete to win next season are spacious.

    To tank this year, you only have to do one thing: Trade guys who won't be here next season any way, it doesn't hurt the future at all, it only hurts this year.

    The Bulls tanked one year without Jordan, landed Scottie Pippen and won six titles. The Spurs tanked when David Robinson went down one season, landed Tim Duncan, and won four titles.

    I don't believe in playing the lottery forever until you get a star player, but this isn't that. This is an opportunity to get a star in a stacked draft class with no opportunity cost. That's quite a bit different than purposefully making yourself as bad as possible to get lots of draft picks.

    If you disagree with the plan, I understand, it's somewhat nauseating, but let's not confuse what the plan is.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    "The Bulls tanked one year without Jordan, landed Scottie Pippen and won six titles."

    That's 100% not true at all. They didn't "tank", but I'll get to that in a minute.

    Let's assume they did "tank" the 1985-86 season, when Jordan missed almost the entire season with a broken foot- it had nothing to do with getting Pippen.

    The Bulls drafted Brad Sellers in the summer of 1986- they then won 40 games in 1986-87 and drafted Pippen in the summer of 1987.

    Anyway, the Bulls didn't "tank"- they lost Jordan, but they made zero roster moves to make the team worse. They even let Jordan come back and play the last 15 games of the season, which hurt their draft position slightly.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    I agree your semantics are cleaner than mine.

    However, the result is how I said it. Whether the Bulls attempted to lose or not, the fact is that they did lose, they did take advantage of that losing, they did get the player that became a hall of famer to pair with Jordan.

    The Spurs overtly tanked. The Bulls just were bad.

    Well, these Bulls are also just bad, and we could hope to get a future hall of fame player in this down year because of Rose's injury by playing out the season, or we could help that along by simply moving guys who will leave at the end of the year anyway.

    We could of course also attempt to make the playoffs and hope for the best, and I understand people who want to do that. I think that scenario gives a worse future outcome though.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    You're right on the tanking, it's all a matter of semantics.

    But like I said, even if the Bulls did tank, it didn't get them Pippen. I can't believe you just ignored that fact, which was the main point of my post.

    They got Brad Sellers out of the tank, NOT SCOTTIE PIPPEN.

    So the result is not how you said it, not even close.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    The bulls were not a championship team in 86 anyway , seeing how they were in the lottery in 87 also. You can't compare the 86 draft to the 2014 draft. There was only two great players in that draft Brad Daugherty and Len Bias this draft has at least 8 to 10 players that are going to be really good in this league for a long time and most play positions the bulls need to upgrade pf, sf and sg. The bulls aren't going anywhere this year or in the future if they continue down this road and with the bobcats pick the bulls could have 2 picks in the top 14 and bring in Nikola Mirotic which is like another top 5 pick. Also let's say they trade Deng and Kirk for more young players like a Greg Monroe or draft picks , Boozer will be gone after next year even if the bulls keep him freeing up space to sign Kevin love or LA from Portland. To be honest I don't think the bulls have much choice but to tank this season that's their only way of getting better for the next 4 years without trading Noah , butler , or rose.

  • In reply to Chicityarson:

    blahblah blah blah blah blah blah ALL I said was that the 1986 "tank" didn't get up Pippen.

    You can't argue that, it's pure fact.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    No draft or tank job is why the bulls had Pippen. They traded for him weeks after the draft if your really being an ass about it. So your still wrong and last time I checked , you don't have to go back that far to find the last time the bulls tanked. All you have to do is go back to the 07-08 season. Remember bad start , fired skiles , traded Wallace and another vets. Held out guys who had little injuries , played young players a lot and before you knew it we were 33-49 just making it into the lottery and the tank job worked , we ended up with Derrick Rose.

  • In reply to Chicityarson:

    No, they traded for Pippen on draft night, June 22, 1987 to be exact.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    And it wasn't totally a trade per se, it was draft pick for draft pick. If you're really being an ass about it.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    It was a trade like I said , Pippen still was not drafted by the bulls the bulls drafted #8 Olden and#10 Grant but traded Olden for Pippen a few weeks later. Still the point I'm making is your wrong about the tanking without the bulls tanking in 07-08 we would have never gotten Rose that's the point I'm making and were in the same position now with another shot at a player that's from Chicago. Why not try and get lucky again.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I believe that you meant specious

  • Seriously Doug. Enough with the tanking already. We get it. Some of us don't agree. But we get it.

    There must be other topics you can write about. Please. This article was sarcastically negative and not funny at all.

    I'm all for getting DJ and I don't want to see tank. That's not what we are about. Let's hope to get healthy, win a playoff series, not take maybe get lucky enough where Indy / Heat are not 100% . And if we get Rose back (not that it matters ) it will be inspiring to is fans n the guys. And you never know. We may find enough motivation to make it to the ECF. And go out with this group the way we've played from day one.

    But you prefer to go out taking. Smh

  • In reply to albx2nj:

    Doug is realist, you are a dreamer. We don't live in perfect world, so we should help happiness...

  • In reply to albx2nj:

    Disagree, I think is really fun to read!

  • In reply to albx2nj:

    This article was largely satire poking fun at the tanking (though I am a fan for it this season), it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Which is why I even put 'satire' in as a keyword.

  • In reply to albx2nj:

    Enjoy 38-44 and a first round playoff loss then, that's way better than having Jabari Parker here for the next 10 years.

  • Actually, asides from the tanking (Augustin is actually bad-good, good-bad enough to help in that regard without it being obvious), another reason an Arenas signing makes sense for the Bulls is money.

    Arenas jerseys will sell. Arenas at events will draw crowds/publicity.

    Asides, Arenas is soundbite gold. "Gilbert, why did you launch the three point shot with 15 seconds left on the shot clock from the half-court line?" "I was open, man."

    I like it.

  • In reply to Salvamini:

    Looks like you could give BigWay and Ellis some competition for the blog comic. Why not, what else have we fans got this year? The hope of landing the #1 pick? Once in a generation!

    Actually, tho, any of the top 5 picks could really help the Bulls. BTW, Arenas was a 2nd round pick who became an Allstar, so there is another once-in-a-generation shot.

    The Bulls are not that far from contending, provided they get 2 guys who are elite and can stay healthy! If Mirotic is one and a high draft pick is the other, after a year to adjust to the NBA for those two, the Bulls could really challenge in 2015-2016. Even if Rose is only serviceable and no longer elite.

    Plus Boozer will definitely be gone. Altho I suspect BigWay secretly hopes the Bulls resign him -- he loves making clever comments about the Booz' talent level.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    Landing the #1 pick once in a generation ?? Cavs hit three since 2003.

  • In reply to rustyw:

    I swear to god, I have no secret desire to keep the Hole around. I will be glad to retire from coming up with new nicknames to describe his bozoholiness or is it boozerpaloozafest.

    But you are right, that once Rose went down again, we have nothing left to look forward to this season again which calls for a heavy dose of gallows humor, which is obviously the point of Doug's post today.

  • I couldn't agree with Doug more. Arenas and McGrady would make it look like the Bulls are trying. The season ticket holders at least get to see some big names and talk about how the Bulls are trying in an injury-plagued year. Meanwhile, the Bulls will try and fail, securing a top pick.

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    I mean the career moves he made ... just ridiculous http://dyvm.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/top5arenas

  • Trade idea: Bulls trade Deng and Teague to the Suns for Okafor and the Washington pick that they own. Okafor is hurt now, but could be back before season end and he is an expiring contract. Anyone think this could work for both teams? The Suns could be a place that Deng would resign with too, so it might not be a one year rental for them.

  • Sadly Arenas might be an upgrade over Hinrich and Teague. I'm not sure we can take that risk.

  • Doug, is that really you. We haven't heard that much dripping sarcasm since the late departed Mappy or maybe it was Alex.

    Obviously, the bulls do not think that they are picking up Augustin to tank, that was MJ's thinking when he let Larry Brown talk him into taking Augustin instead of Brook Lopez. How does a legend and a supposed basketball genius like make a mistake that big.

    I am not sure what is worse, hurting the tanking cause by playing Augustin or watching Teague's mope a dope act for the rest of the season, and then being informed daily of his +/- rating.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    If anyone can explain how Teague is helping the tank when the Bulls always outscore the other team when he is on the floor, I'd love to hear it.

    The point of tanking is for the other team to score more points than you, right? Well, that doesn't happen with Teague on the floor.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    If you would bother to read before you pounce on any opportunity to attempt to justify your positions. I said that Augustin might hurt the tank effort. I did not say that Teague is helping the tank(whether I believe that he does or doesn't), I said that I don't care to watch him play. But if you honestly believe that Teagues play is actually helping us win games, then more power to you and your basketball acumen.

    On a game by game basis, +/- is full of more noise than twitter.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    a perfect example of that being tonights game against the Bucks.

    Noah was +2, the boozerpaloozafest was +16. Even you can't try to tell me that is an accurate reflection of their relative impacts on the game. Boozer was at his empty calorie best, and nearly cost us the game with his awesome defensive play to give up the dunk to Udoka to make it 88-83 in the closing minutes. If Mayo didn't go all Hinrich on us and bail us out with the 3 point foul on Dunleavy we lose the game irregardless of the Dunleavy miracle at the end.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    You are so Right. A total dufus could watch that game yesterday and see the obvious difference in the quality of play between the Booz and Noah.

    I suggest, again, to Gar/Pax..,pick up the phone and call the Lakers. Offer to trade the Booz for Gasol and work out the money details.

    And no..,I'm not for tanking.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Oh, and that Wolters guy for Milwaukee was a plus 10(with no one else better than +5), even though he put up a Teague like putrid performance that Stacey and Neil couldn't stop ragging on.

    So yea, you are correct as always, individual game by game +/- is the ultimate determination of how good a player is performing.

  • In reply to Don Ellis:

    Actually, the point of tanking is losing more games than anyone else to get more ping pong balls. Since Teague started playing significant minutes, the Bulls are 2-9, the worst record in the game, so apparently he is helping the tank effort. As a certain coach used to say, "you play to win the game", or to paraphrase, you tank to lose the game. Is that a simple enough explanation for you.

  • From Mark Stein's article about a potential Asik to Cleveland for Varajao trade.

    "Word is that the Cavs' preference remains upgrading at small forward -- with Chicago's Luol Deng at the top of Cleveland's list -- rather than bringing in a center."

    Who knows where that word out of Cleveland came from, but

    I doubt that there is any chance that the Cav's would make that deal for their first round pick, but one can dream. I suppose this might be the Dion Waiters deal. For a team nearly devoid of small forward play, Deng might get the Cav's into the playoffs, especially if Irving continues to return to form. Would it be worth a 15-20 pick in this draft for Deng. If he's gone anyway, I say heck yea, especially since it enhances our chances of missing the playoffs. The Bulls, however, likely say nay.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Absolutely trade Deng for a 1st round pick this coming draft. That would give the Bulls 3 1st rounders (assuming the Charlotte pick is delivered). In this draft, if the picks are used wisely, that could build a contender for a decade!

    However, developing 3 rookies together would cost a lot of games. Plus Mirotic will, I suppose, need a season to adjust to the NBA. We could not expect to contend in 2014-2015, unless everyone else -- Rose, Noah, Butler, etc played at their peak.

    My first choice would be Deng for Cleveland's 1st round pick. Throw in our 2nd round pick if needed. Second choice would be Deng for a kid like Shumpert, who seems to have decent potential -- that might work out better. Or even Deng for Waiters.

    Whichever, it's all a throw of the dice.

  • More from ESPN, seems like a no brainer to me.

    "Here's the decision that lies ahead for Bulls executives Gar Forman and John Paxson: Boozer or Mirotic? If the Bulls keep the current roster together, they'd be looking at another payroll of $78 million to $80 million. That would be Chicago's third straight season over the luxury tax, and would mark it for future repeat-offender penalties if it stays above the tax line. If Boozer is waived, the Bulls could bring over Mirotic for a non-taxpayer midlevel exception as he will no longer be bound by the first-round rookie salary scale. In that scenario, Chicago would be hard-capped for 2014-15, which wouldn't be a problem.

    The Bulls could probably still accommodate two 2014 first-round draft picks if they end up with Charlotte's selection, and a second-rounder. Thus, if Deng signs for about $11 million for the first season of his next deal, Chicago could stay below the tax line and field a deep 15-man roster that would feature Mirotic and Taj Gibson at power forward. Is that better than retaining the Boozer-Deng-Rose-Noah core for one more season and paying another tax bill? I say yes, but that's what Chicago will have to decide."

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I assume that Hinrich would not be resigned in this scenario.

    Well, it ought to be at least 20 - 1 that Mirotic at $5 million will be more valuable than Boozer at $16 million!

    However, I am not sure resigning Deng is best for the future. I would rather trade him for Shumpert or Waiters or someone similar to develop, and move the Bulls' pick higher in the draft.

    The Bulls need at least one more elite player, and probably two since it's questionable that Rose can return to form. So they need more or higher picks in the next draft.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Thinking more about this, what else could the Bulls buy in FA for that $11 million besides Deng? Maybe even a Love in a sign-and-trade with Taj and a future pick thrown in? Probably dreaming on that one. But the Bulls would not need Taj if they had Love and Mirotic. Or just sit on the money for the big FA class a year from this summer.

  • Mike Dungleavy helping out his old team, ugh. Still positive signs that the Bulls even with Butler back took the Bucks right down to the wire before just failing at the final hurdle.

  • The Tank Train just derailed... We need to get it back on track.

  • Derrick Rose has concerns about the Bulls direction

    From the NY Dailey News

    "Derrick Rose has real concerns these days, but those have nothing to do with returning from his latest round of major knee surgery. Rather, his concerns center on his team’s future makeup.
    Rose has told several confidantes that he is worried that the Bulls will start to let the team hit the skids by allowing key players to leave via free agency, forcing him to go through a rebuilding program that he wants no part of.
    “Derrick is worried that the Bulls are going to lose what they have,” said a league source. “He doesn’t want to go through rebuilding.”
    But that could be exactly how the Bulls treat this latest setback involving their franchise player, who had season-ending knee surgery on Nov. 25. Chicago is not expected to meet Luol Deng’s salary demands next summer when he becomes a free agent. Carlos Boozer has one more season to go on his contract and the Bulls aren’t expected to bring him back. How they would proceed if those major losses really do happen is anyone’s guess."

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-injured-bulls-star-fearful-cupboard-bare-article-1.1547747#ixzz2nUtuoJkG

  • Didn't the Bulls get Deng with a pick acquired from Phoenix, maybe it is time to complete the circle.

    "The Suns, obviously encouraged by a promising start and with several attractive assets at their disposal, are making it known around the league they are open to trading one or more picks in the loaded 2014 draft if they can get an established star capable of making an impact now, NBA.com has learned. The move to capitalize on the enviable flexibility of probably having two choices in June and as many as four, along with the potential of about $20 million in cap space in the summer, comes with Phoenix at 12-9 and far exceeding most preseason projections. Adding a proven player in exchange for the uncertainty of the draft, even one as stacked as 2014, could greatly accelerate the rebuilding and firmly establish the Suns as a playoff regular again." NBA.com - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.JC3MLfwI.dpuf

  • and on the Mirotic front, sounds like some good news.

    Jorge Sierra: Real Madrid forward Nikola Mirotic met with the Chicago Bulls yesterday in Madrid, we're told. Mirotic, whose draft rights are owned by Chicago, is expected to meet with Bulls officials again today. Twitter @hoopshype

    Mark Deeks: Two things to remember about the Mirotic situation: 1) Next summer he will no longer be bound by the rookie scale. The rookie scale only applies if you sign within 3 years of being drafted. 2) Contrary to common myth, NBA teams can pay as much of a buyout as they like. There is however an amount - $600,000 in 2014/15 - over which any amount spend on it counts against the cap in the form of a signing bonus. Amounts over that $600,000 come out of the salary, hence the need to have them in a signing bonus. The buyout can still exceed it, though. Twitter @MarkDeeksNBA

  • Arenas, Iverson and McGrady backcourt. LOL I am not going to lie that would get me to watch a few more games... Maybe they could go all in and bring back C Webb and Shaq.

    I get your point on Augustin even though he has been rather terrible statistically for the past few years this is the role and team that fits his skill set quite well. Which makes it dangerous as he could shoot us into wins so I rather trot out the sure things in Klank and Teague whom needs a Klank esque monicker.

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