Derrick Rose suffers non contact right knee injury

So the Bulls blew a 21 point lead and lost to the Portland Trailblazers, marking the second game in a row they came out and stunk up the second half to drop a game on the western conference road trip. That might have been panic worthy except Derrick Rose looked to severely injure his right knee in the second half. It doesn't look good.

You can get a slow mo look at the injury here.

The MRI is scheduled for later today. When the results are released I'm sure it will hit twitter from every beat writer there is within five minutes. We'll know what happened soon enough. It's probably not worth speculating at this point, but non contact knee injuries are rarely good.

Possibly an MCL, possibly a knee sprain, possibly the right ACL, but hopefully something less severe. It's worth noting perhaps that his reaction to the injury didn't seem nearly as dramatic as his left ACL tear.

He certainly wasn't in nearly as much pain as when he tore his left ACL. That said, it wasn't pretty, and after spending some time on the bench he didn't put any weight on it when he was eventually taken back to the locker room.

Some feel he was putting a towel over his head to hide the tears while sitting on the bench which if accurate means that he was either in a lot of pain physically or emotionally because he heard something pop and knew.

Perhaps the good news is the knee didn't appear to buckle to the side [which I think you'd expect for an ACL tear] but buckled forward. That might not mean anything, but it was just something I noticed when watching the replay. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, because that's about as positive a spin as I can put on this right now.

We clearly all fear the right ACL was torn, there's that feeling in the pit of my stomach that this is exactly what happened, but I'll probably spend the next few hours in denial hoping to be wrong.

There will be plenty of time to debate the future of the team if this becomes a second major injury for Rose, so I won't go into much depth now. Hell, I'll probably write a hundred articles on the subject if things look really bad, but let's just say if things fall on the worse side then the Bulls need to look at completely retooling the roster rather than sitting tight and hoping it all works out later.

Until we find out the details, there's little to do but wait and hope.

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  • From jay Williams to d rose it just seems like we can't catch a break if it is the worse case scenario an acl like I fear I pray Chicago has the guts to just tear this roster Down and start over

  • In reply to cashofb:

    The Bulls should Theo & Jed then.

  • Rose seems he was more dedicated to making pizza & gym shoe ads then getting himself in shape for playing basketball.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Lol I've already seen some of the dumbest comments today. Including preseason the bulls have played around 20 games, plus all reports were that he was in the best shape of his life. Please refrain from such stupid comments, it was his right knee not the one he had injured. Blaming anyone at this point seems ridiculous. Sometimes people just get hurt no matter how much prevention. Let's just hope it isn't season ending.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Yeah, for all of us it did look like he was just sitting back and enjoyed his s****ed up leg. He definitively missed that fun time making pizza and ads, he probably had this new injury on purpose... Thank you for the enlightenment.

  • In reply to clop:

    His knees are softer than the cheese on his pizzas.

  • As far as the game last night. I don't understand why they try to force feed Deng in the post when he is really not all that great there and how Dunleavey doesn't touch the ball at the end. I know Noah wasn't having a great game, gave up some OFF rebounds and missed some bunnies, but why he was sitting most of the last few minutes seemed like a bad coaching decision as well.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Looks like he is wearing that BozoHole anchor around his neck again. You'd look like shit too, if you had to carry that 265 sack of shit around on D all the time. Don't even get me started on what 2 average 7 foot white stiffs did to the Hole over the last 2 nights, guys who he was only "defending" because Thibs is too terrified to see what happens when he guards the opposing power forward. Did make me wonder why we didn't keep our average 7 ft white stiff though.

  • Some people make jackass comments and anyone who's a cubsfan really shouldn't be making any idiotic comments on D Rose injury. It happened, hope D Rose will be ok meaning non year ending injury. If worse case i agree, time to retool the roster in a major way. Bulls FO need to decide who stays if anyone besides Rose and who goes. Everyone on roster should be on the trade block if the worst has indeed happened. Butler and Noah should only be retained if the Bulls can't get a player or players who are impact players. Time for the management and FO to earn their pay if the franchise has been set back. Can't lean on their luck from the 2008 draft anymore.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Right on Reese. I couldn't agree more.

  • It's time to have both Teague and Snell out there, develop these young players. Thibodeau has to tolerate their mistakes in order for them to develop. I don't think the Bulls will tank and could very well hit last year's mark of 45 wins. For Rose, its a tough break and all we can do is hope for the best. In the mean time, we need to see Teague develop, he can attack the rim, shot the 3 well in summerleague and still has potential. Snell and Teague are not garbage, they have talent and could be valuable rotation players if they are allowed to develop.

  • In reply to Defense-Rebound13:

    AGREE 100%
    If they are worth 1st round picks, they are worth developing.

  • I hate to spoil your party, but I don't think Rose will ever play as well as he did before the injury to his left knee. He may compete at a high level on occasion, but not consistently. That's assuming he does recuperate sufficiently from this latest setback--- and whenever his mind informs him he's ready.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Unless you're a doctor or sports therapist, nobody cares what you think.

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    If this is going to be something to keep D. Rose out for most of or all of the season, do we think its time to attempt some kind of reboot? Should we trade Deng & Boozer trying to get a few good young bench pieces and hope for a good draft placement or hope to attract a free agent?

  • While we can only hope for the best, it certainly doesn't look good. A second non contact major knee injury really indicates that Rose's body simply cannot withstand the way that he plays the game. It was one of my biggest concerns even during his rookie season. He plays the game in an extremely violent manner, violent to his own body. I doubt that anybody's body could take that kind of stress/punishment. It also seems likely that Rose is just be one of those guys whose body is destined to betray him, maybe like Bo Jackson. The combination of both of these things really makes me fear that at basically the half way point of his career, it may already be over. Maybe it is bad karma revenge for 1.7%, kind of like Penny Hardaway.

    I wanted to go nuts about last nights game/third quarter melt down(and heaven knows that boozer and deng among others provided me with plenty of amunition), but it doesn't even seem worth it now. Is it too late to get a refund on NBA League Pass.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I mentioned Bo Jackson and Penny Hardaway, for Chicago fans this could be more like the career of Gale Sayers, the Kansas comet, who jcame into the league in a blaze of glory and burned out way to fast due to multiple knee injuries on both knees.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Spot-on comparison.

  • Just offering this as a small distraction, from the New York Daily News. Apparently it is not just disgruntled bulls fans who feel this way. Obviously, this was written before last night.

    "The one team that would really help itself by trading for Asik is his old team, the Bulls. That would scare a few competitors, starting with the East-leading Pacers. But owner Jerry Reinsdorf is dead set against reacquiring Asik because it would mean having to pay future luxury tax. “If he does that, then he won’t make money and the first thing Jerry always wants to do is make money,” said one rival owner. New York Daily News" - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.wZ1zxgPZ.dpuf

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Agreed, Rein$dorf is patiently waiting for the next CBA which will bring a hard cap. Deng and Boozer coming off-the-books the next two years avoids repeater tax if no aggressive roster moves are made. Meanwhile, the UC is sold-out so all is well.

    Very curious who was that rival-owner who made the telling comment. We fans have always known this about Rein$dorf, but he seemingly gets a free pass from major media for the most part.

    However, there is a certain lack-of-logic for any owner to give up an asset to reacquire a player that could have been retained by simply matching without giving up any asset. And we all know Rein$dorf would never admit he made a mistake.

  • In reply to Edward:

    It's Michael's team now. Jerry Reinsdorf is 77 and settling his affairs, he's not patiently waiting for anything. The rival owner is using the press to take a shot at a rival based on his rival's cheap reputation when the Bulls in fact spend plenty of money and it's not Jerry's team anyways.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    False. Michael is handling the day-to-day operations of the team, but Bulls are still a limited partnership which is a group ownership structure and Jerry Rein$dorf is still the general partner of that limited partnership. The limited partnership includes many other people all whom seem to put profit first over aggressively pursuing championships. (Sam Zell, Lester Crown family, Wirtz family,

    The luxury tax came into existence with the CBA that went into effect with the 1998 owner lockout and 1999 shortened season. This correlated exactly with Rein$dorf's 1998 dismissal of Phil Jackson and with him Jordan, Pippen, Rodman. In other words, management purposely avoided any possibility of luxury tax liability that they knew was the primary goal of the owners' lockout and new CBA negotiation.

    If you think paying a small amount of luxury tax for the 3 seasons (2012-13, 2013-14, 2014-15) means a major shift in financial policy you're in for a rude awakening as Bulls bend-over-backwards to avoid the new repeater tax that Bulls become eligible for in 2015-16 and 2016-17.

    Bulls will avoid that repeater tax (accomplished by staying under the luxury tax threshold) and push strongly for the hard cap in the next CBA which will prevent the big spending teams from outspending the Bulls and others. In other words, profits will become virtually automatic, which is Bulls owners' primary goal, not competitively pursuing championships at any cost - like the Miami Heat who are collecting both Rings and Financial Losses which Bulls have no interest in.

    So yes, Bulls organization is patiently biding its time for the next CBA and hard cap, the are not pursuing championships as the primary goal, financial profits are the primary goal, unlike Miami.

  • Even with a healthy Rose, this team was not going anywhere this post season.

    No Defense
    Too many injuries
    Weak Bench
    and a stronger Indiana & Miami teams.

    Wait until next year!

  • Marc Gasol's knee injury has already been examined, diagnosed, and reported to media. The fact nothing has been reported yet about Rose doesn't bode well. PR is probably scrambling around figuring how/when to break the bad news to the fan base about another lost season.

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    In reply to BullsMan:

    In fairness, Rose is in the Pacific time zone, so they're a couple of hours behind.

  • The Trib is saying torn medial meniscus. I have had this injury. The docs just cut out the cartilage that has been torn off. He should only be out 6 weeks or so. There is a small part of the meniscus that has blood flowing to it. If that is the section that is torn they might try to repair it, rather than just cut it out. If that is the case then the recovery is much longer. The chance of that is slim though because that blood-bearing section is small, so I am guessing it will just be 6ish weeks.

  • A torn meniscus. Not the worst-case scenario at least. Bulls are probably looking at couple months before Rose is on the court again. Rose's conditioning is going right back to square one, and the team will need time to adjust when he gets back. What a massive letdown this is. Hopefully the team will be healthy and ready to roll by next April.

  • Rumors on twitter are that it's either a contusion that will take 4-6 weeks to recover from, or that it's an ACL in which case Rose's season is over and his career will likely never be the same. Obviously hoping for the best but bracing for the worst.

  • Meniscus tear = good, the Bulls still describing it as him being out indefinitely = bad. Really feels like it's going to be another wasted season.

  • In reply to Shakes:

    from one of various medical websites on medial meniscus tears and recovery from surgery.

    "Elite athletes return to practice within one to two weeks after surgery, but they are a motivated group of people who spend hours each day in rehabilitation. For most other patients, return to mild routine activity occurs in less than six weeks".

    S.I. reports that Artest returned to action 12 days after his surgery last season. Back in the day Brandon Roy of all people returned 8 days after surgery, obviously that didn't work out so well. Blake Griffin missed the Olympics due to a meniscus tear, but he was 100% for training camp. and Westbrook injured his meniscus in last seasons playoffs, but was ready for camp before he suffered a complication and required a cleanup surgery.

    Overall, one of the lesser knee injuries, but something that could set him up for a lifetime of future problems. Sounds like he could be back by Christmas best case, and just after new years worst case, so at least the Bulls have a reason to play the season, at least for now.

    Of course with Butler already out, and Hinrich's history how long before Mike James is the starting point guard.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    It really depends on how bad the tear is, in 2010 Chris Paul went down on 29th January and didn't come back until 22nd March, wearing a massive knee brace and looking like crap. It's now considered he tried to come back too soon and had to do additional rehab over the off-season to get back to 100%.

    Given Rose was just coming back from the ACL, his past cautious time frame with return and that the Bulls are talking "indefinitely" I don't see a lot of reason to be optimistic that Rose is going to be at the quick end of the recovery scale.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's out until at least the all-star break.

    This is where not having the depth of 10-11 or 11-12 hurts, more minutes for not just Hinrich but Dunleavy who is 33 and also had injury problems in the past. James and Teague playing together, er, yay.

    Then we still need to get Rose back and playing at a high level, something that looked like it'd take 20+ games from the start of the season and he might be starting from scratch on that again. Certainly it can't be helping him mentally to trust his body.

    So I agree that a meniscus injury is about the best we could hope for after Rose went down, it could still completely derail the season.

  • In reply to Shakes:

    Realistically, how else can they describe him until, at a minimum, a surgery is successfully performed?

  • In reply to Edward:

    Teams set timetables before knowing for sure all the time - if there's any hope of good news they report it. As Marc Stein tweeted:

    Official word from Bulls is that DRose is out "indefinitely" but vibe is they're indeed bracing for prospect he misses rest of '13-14 season

    Now I think missing the whole season is unlikely, but the fact that it's even out there suggests the Bulls don't expect a quick return.

  • In reply to Shakes:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--derrick-rose-sidelined-after-mri-reveals-210026332.html

    Read this about the two different approaches to meniscus surgery. I was not aware of this and most likely neither were the others who made comments about Rose possibly returning in 6-8 weeks.

    Rose will surely take the same approach as Russell Westbrook - and he should. He's out-for-the-season most likely.

  • In reply to Shakes:

    This is what its come to for bills fans that a mensicus tear = a good thing I think regardless of how long it takes for him to come back which will probably be double the normal recovery time their not winning a championship so rather than wait for the off season to break this team up I say do it now put everyone on the block and see what you can get any young players draft pics etc..

  • I wonder what scrub the Bulls FO will bring in to replace Rose . The team was already lacking in offense so i wonder if they will just stand pat. The FO better get some balls and make some sort of move or this will be just another wasted season.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'm sure they"ll do nothing like usual

  • I don't know how people have/can be talking about rebuilding today and even last night. Before we even knew what might be wrong. TOO SOON.

    One thing I can't but feel is that if Derrick had come back at the end of last year and started playing 15 minutes a game, gradually working his way up in minutes, instead of returning this season with pretty much no minute limits, things might have been different. More time and more practice can't substitute for actual in-game conditions. It could be worse. Come back well, Derrick.

  • In reply to Hunter:

    Whether fans speculate or not will have no bearing on the state of his knee. I see no harm in going over "what if" scenarios.

  • In reply to Hunter:

    But we all know if Rose came back last season it would not have been 15 minutes per game. Fans, media, even Bulls organization itself, would have piled on the expectations that Rose lead the Bulls through the playoffs to a showdown with the Miami Heat.

    And Bulls FO had not yet reined in Thibs and his roster minutes mismanagement. Remember Rose's first game back from his groin tear in 2012? Thibs played him 39 minutes on national TV in MSG and Rose couldn't play the next game.

    Further, this is not a re-injury to his surgically repaired left knee, but new injury to his right. There's little logic to your argument.

  • In reply to Edward:

    If he'd come back around the All-Star break, you think Derrick would have been playing 35 minutes a night right away? That's BS. Everyone who comes back from that injury slowly works up to their normal minutes.

    You think his ACL tear had nothing to do with this injury just because it's the other knee (despite the timing coincidence and that players returning from ACL injury often injure their other knee)? There's little logic there and quite a bit of denial, in my opinion.

  • In reply to Hunter:

    If Rose came back in March, Thibs would have played him full-time in the playoffs in April, thinking they had a shot at a championship.

  • Can' wait to see the new Bulls / Adidas promo of Derrick comeback return for 2014/15 season.....LOL

    Meantime, order another Giordano's pizza and watch some Blackhawks.

  • Ok Bulls fans, Rose is clearly not going to be the franchise for the next 10 years. He should probably eventually become a 6 mAn for a contender cause he cant handle extended run. He should realize this if he wants to still be playing at 35. Even if he gets heslthy these two extended absences will make him a much worse player from a sklill and feel standpoint, nba action cant be replicated. All the bad things we saw from rose this year might be worse next time cause his head will be even more messed up. As for the Bulls, whAts next, a blow up or 5 years of mediocrity?

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Come back after you've graduated grade school and watched some NBA games.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Wow what a bitch

  • At least Boozer stays healthy.

  • What is next......Bulls can.....

    A - keep on playing for 6th seed
    B - trade assets and tank
    C - Sign LeBron James
    D - Owners selling the team
    E - Sign free agents to help Rose

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Bulls have no salary cap space to sign quality free agents, let alone Lebron James at $20 million per.
    Rein$dorf will never sell his massive Cash Cow, he's turning it over to his son Michael.
    That leaves A and B.

  • I say trade the assets and tank I could be wrong but at this point I just think rose is injury prone and this core won't be able to win a championship anyway honestly I hate to say but I'm not sure a championship can be won if this version of derrick rose is your best player

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--derrick-rose-sidelined-after-mri-reveals-210026332.html

    Here is an interesting article describing the two different approaches to torn meniscus surgery - reattachment vs. clip-off. Seems most likely the reattachment approach is taken meaning Rose is likely out-for-the season.

  • In reply to Edward:

    As I said in my earlier comment, the treatment depends on where the tear occurs. If it is where the meniscus receives a blood supply then there is a chance that the meniscus can be repaired, in which case the recovery from surgery is quite long, likely keeping him out the rest of the season. However, most of the meniscus does not receive a blood supply, which means that all one can do is cut out the torn piece. Rose's tear is medial (the inside of the knee), while Westbrook's is the lateral (outside of the knee).

  • In reply to Edward:

    I think that I read the same article, here is a small clip

    "In 2011, the American Journal of Sports Medicine decided to look into lateral and medial tears, and this is part of their findings:

    We identified 129 isolated meniscal tears in NBA athletes during a 21-season span. From this number, 77 (59.7%) involved the lateral meniscus and 52 (40.3%) the medial meniscus. Injuries occurred more frequently in games. The lateral meniscus had a statistically significant higher injury rate. Both left and right knees were equally affected. The number of days missed for lateral meniscal tears and medial meniscal tears was 43.8 ± 35.7 days and 40.9 ± 29.7 days, respectively, and was not statistically different."

    So this research suggests somewhere between 11 and 71 days missed.

    However, it doesn't say anything about the 2 different procedures. After doing some more googling of medical sites. I did find some info that confirms what bjb57 says. There is a very small part of the meniscus that provides the blood supply to it. If this is the part where the tear occurred then it needs to be repaired to save the meniscus, and requires a much longer recovery period, perhaps 4-6 months. If the tear occurred anywhere else then the only course of action is to clip off the damage and move on, just like any other cartilage damage elsewhere in the knee.

    I guess that even the doctors won't know which surgery to perform until the knee is opened up. Also from those results there does not appear to be any difference between lateral and medial tears, recovery wise.

    The scariest part of the Wojo article was that he drew the same parallel as I did earlier today, Rose as Gale Sayers, both stylistically as athletes and unfortunately, now as knee injury victims, and possibly as future what might have been hall of famers.

    Buy the way, Shay McLellan is a pathetic excuse for a defensive end. Don't know if he can play linebacker, but if he can't he won't be in the league much longer. Can he play point guard, maybe we can trade Teague for him.

  • tear this thing down.

  • This is really bad news. I don't even know what to say anymore. From the looks of things he's done for the season which will make 2 seasons in a row. I think I'm more worried about his emotional state than anything. The torn ACL was bad enough but now this, he may not ever be the same player again. As a Bulls fan this news just breaks my heart.

  • Agreed, I'm really worried about him. I was reading an article today saying that he could be out anywhere from 1-6 months. 1 month would be if the surgery was to do some arthroscopic cleaning, and the 6 months would be for a reattachment.

    This puts management in a difficult position. Should the Bulls blow it up and try for the Rose 2.0 era? I think they can't get rid of too much even if they wanted to. It'll be hard to trade Deng, he's an expiring and no one will want to take him on as a rental. Maybe a potential contender towards the deadline, but none of the tanking teams will want him. Boozer is untraceable unless we take on an equally horrendous contract.

    Taj/Butler/Noah all have some value, but I doubt we would get a pick back (or anything useful for the next era). The truth is the Bulls don't have a ton of flexibility and their roster for the next era will most likely be Rose, Teague/SG?/Butler, Snell/Taj, Mirotic/Noah and anyone else they can draft/sign as a FA.

    Thibs is going to get the most out of his players so unless the Bulls trade away everything, we are stuck in NBA purgatory this year if Rose stays out.

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