Bulls Beat #278 - Offseason

Bulls Beat #278 - Offseason

Too small, too hurt, too slow, and too stupid to quit, the Bulls faught hard against Miami, but their depleted roster came up short.

Bulls Beat #278 - Offseason begins

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  • It hurts that Harrison Barnes made a larger impact on his team in his rookie season in the playoffs than Luol Deng did. I know Deng was injured, but you can take the amount of games he played and randomly match them to ones Barnes did and Barnes still would have been the better player, probably by far, in the playoffs.

  • In reply to Hunter:

    I honestly wasn't so high on Barnes. He didnt show the aggressive mentality in college after getting all the praise going into college. I felt he was going to be the next Luol Deng, except it would take him 2-3 years to do so...which wouldn't help us now.

    Also, Barnes has played well in the playoffs because he has moved to PF in the absence of Lee. Maybe it's because he gets more touches at the 4 or he feels more confident playing against slower PFs, but if he were to replace Luol at the 3, there's no sure way of knowing he would have excelled.

    If the Bulls were going to get that pick, I was hoping they drafted Andre Drummond. Did I think Drummond was going to be this good this quickly? No, but I knew he has massive potential.

  • If the Bulls really are playing for 2014, I only expect 1 year minimum players and no return of Nate or Belli. Probably wouldn't use the MMLE. I do expect that the Bulls will talk trade for Pau and KLove, probably willing to move everything but Rose and Noah. Booz/Taj, Rip, CHA pick and Mirotuc for Pau may make sense

  • In reply to nafsllub:

    The 2014 plan is flawed and probably fraud plan.

    All the top FAs will re-sign (Bosh, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk) opt-in to stay with their team (Melo) or will go elsewhere other than here.

    What we will be able to do is overpay for the leftover FAs because we were sold a bill of take goods with this 2014 plan. Get ready to have the same exact team, except with Luol or Granger...and it won't be at a discount.

  • In reply to nafsllub:

    Giving up Boozer Taj and Mirotic and Charlotte pick is far too much for Gasol who only has a few more years if that left. That trade would be an insane one for the Bulls to make. Sorry but say no to that.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Yea, giving up any of those assets, other than the Bozo would be insane, assinine, and even that would cost us another contract to make a deal work. Plus, the Lakers would only trade Gasol to cut their massive tax payment($85 million) this season.

  • In reply to nafsllub:

    Pau is old and in serious decline and makes 20+ million. There's no way the Bulls are trading for him. He's still a quality player, but not near worth his contract and won't help you for much longer.

  • Gasol is done, not worth giving up assets for. I would like to see if the Bulls can work a trade with Milwaukee, Hinrich for JJ Reddick, no one wants to sign with the Bucks and they had alot of interest in capt kirk last year which caused us to overpay for him. Other free agent guards this year are OJ Mayo, Nick Young, JR Smith, Kevin Martin, Randy Foye and of course Belinelli. I'm hoping we at least retain Belinelli.

  • In reply to Defense-Rebound13:

    Yeah, I don't see how you clear the roster for Gasol. And hopefully we re-sign Nate and Marco. The other guard options out there are pretty grim. They've all been discussed before. Maybe Xavier Henry's worth a look but that's about it.

    I think the best guy out there for the Bulls right now might be Carl Landry. I've always liked his game. I'll try to post something tomorrow with the numbers behind that.

  • In reply to Defense-Rebound13:

    That would be a pretty good trade for the Bulls IMO. I wonder if Milwaukee would be interested.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I think that most/all Bulls fans would make that trade. However, I think that Reddick is an unrestricted FA, does Milwaukee even own his trade rights anymore?

  • On April 28, 2012, any sensible person knew Rose would not be a factor this 2012-13 season, even if he returned to play late in the season. So with an abundance of time on their hands, what did GarPaxDorf accomplish to improve the roster in preparation for the 2013-14 season and beyond? What talent did they add that will help Bulls win a championship going forward?
    - drafted Teague.
    - signed Hinrich.
    - signed a group of 1-year deals none of whom will likely return.
    - let Asik leave for nothing.
    - didn’t trade Deng thereby preparing to overpay Deng again or lose him for nothing.
    - let the entire Bench Mob leave for nothing, further evidence of the abysmal failure of 2010 free agency.

    Above is the entirety of what was accomplished this season in the incapable hands of GarPaxDorf. Are Bulls any better prepared for a championship as a result?

    1) There is no reason for optimism, as there is no evidence of a coherent plan to produce a champion.
    2) GarPaxDorf have shown no ability to execute major trades or attract major free agents.
    3) The one thing GarPaxDorf does reasonably well is draft, and yet they refused to trade Deng for a draft pick (See item 2 above), and refused to buy a readily available 2nd round pick to draft Will Barton (or another wing) to develop in Rose’s absence. Four 2nd round draft picks were sold for cash on draft night – so the Indiana Pacers can afford to buy a 2nd to develop young talent, but the most profitable team in the NBA cannot.

    Above is the entirety of what was accomplished this season in the incapable hands of GarPaxDorf.

    The Unspoken Bulls Plan:
    Bulls will tread water for the foreseeable future while Rein$dorf patiently waits for the implementation of a HARD CAP in the next CBA.
    New Commissioner Adam Silver said the HARD CAP is coming in a recent interview – watch video from 19 minute mark:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/video/nba-commissioners-david-stern-adam-silver-B5u4zUyeThWVsQGC0tbBFA.html

    The Tom Thibodeau/Derrick Rose era is the new Dick Motta era.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I'm just bored enough to fix your post tonight:

    - drafted Teague./ A point-guard who played minutes in the playoffs because our starting point guard was injured.
    - signed Hinrich./ Another point guard. Who played minutes in the playoffs because our starting point guard was injured.

    - signed a group of 1-year deals none of whom will likely return./ One of whom was a point guard who played minutes in the...oh you know the drill...
    - let Asik leave for nothing./ Because paying Asik $8.5 million is a much better plan than paying Taj $2 mil.
    - didn’t trade Deng thereby preparing to overpay Deng again or lose him for nothing./ Good thing they saved all that money not bidding for Asik so they can afford it.
    - let the entire Bench Mob leave for nothing, further evidence of the abysmal failure of 2010 free agency./ If only we could've paid Joe Johnson $122 million in 2010. We could've lost to the Pacers in 6!

    As for the rest of it, there are hotlines you can call if you need to talk, man.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    The Bulls would not have paid Asik $8.5 million this season, they would have paid him his contractually stipulated $5 million just like the Rockets did.

    The gimmick(Arenas rule) is/was that the Bulls had to average his entire contract for salary cap/tax purposes($8.5 million) while the Rockets used the actual salary each season($5 million this season) for salary cap purposes. I think it went that way and not the other way around.

    So next season and the season after that, Taj will be on the Bulls cap/tax for $8-9 million, while Asik would have again counted as $8.5 million, while only being paid $5 million next year, but $15 million the year after.

    Either way, keeping Asik and Taj would have effectively killed the 2014 plan. Even keeping one puts a dent in it. I don't think that the Bulls will have full max money($20+ million to start) available anyway.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Is your goal to convince us to give up on the Bulls? It sure reads like it is.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    No, that's not my goal. Though I've been a Bulls fan since my childhood during the Dick Motta era, I'm not a blind homer.

    And while I was rooting strongly for the Bulls during this year's two playoff series, the talent level is what it is. There's no sugar-coating that can hide the truth.

    If you disagree with me, tell me in your opinion, what talent Bulls added to the roster in the 2012 offseason that will allow Bulls to truly and effectively compete for a championship in the next 1-3 seasons?
    Also, what is your opinion regarding new NBA Commissioner Adam Silver's comments on the Hard Cap and how that may influence Rein$dorf's plans until that Hard Cap becomes a reality?

    IMO, with Rose recovering from his career threatening ACL injury, the only purpose for this just concluded 2012-13 season was adding and developing talent to become more competitive the next 1-3 seasons. I don’t think GarPaxDorf did that, hence my post.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I don't disagree with your assessment of the current team, nor the Bulls position towards this past season, but when you write "there's no reason for optimism" you're also saying not to hope for the future.

    Hard cap is just a matter of time and it would be good for the Bulls since they hard cap themselves anyways, but I haven't seen money really be the object that stops them from getting a legit 2nd star to play with Rose. It's more like GarPax doesn't make big trades or take risks, but I am optimistic that one of these offseasons, they'll get it done.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    I agree with your characterization of GarPax poor record of making significant trades or deals.

    Getting an MVP involves a certain amount of luck. And luck certainly defines Bulls winning the lottery for Derrick Rose with a 1.8% chance! Were the Jonathan Kovler Bulls also lucky to get MJ?

    But lets examine what Jerry Krause did after he inherited a team with MJ on the roster.
    - draft night trade to secure PF Charles Oakley.
    - draft night trade to secure Scottie Pippen, also drafting another PF Horace Grant.
    - trade PF Charles Oakley when at peak value for C Bill Cartwright, because you've shrewdly determined Grant can replace Oakley at PF and Cs are scare.
    - draft Euro prospect Toni Kukoc before drafting Euros was fashionable.
    - trade average player Will Perdue for HOF Dennis Rodman.

    THESE ARE MASTERFUL MOVES that built the core of the championship roster, and they define Jerry Krase, imo. Krause wasn't perfect, and beginning with the breakup of the Jordan-Jackson Championship Bulls he made a string of bad moves.

    In contrast what moves define John Paxson and Gar Foreman?
    - not executing 2003 draft night trade with Toronto to move up from 7 to 4 to draft Dwayne Wade. Pax didn't want to include Donyel Marshal in the trade so Bulls ended up with Kirk Hinrich.
    - losing No. 2 draft pick Tyson Chandler for two 2nds that amounted to nothing.
    - in 2007 not trading up picks 49 and 51 to secure Marc Gasol losing him at 48 to Lakers who months later traded Marc for his brother Pau and went to NBA Finals 3 consecutive years. Bulls drafted Aaron Gray and JamesOn Curry at 49 and 51.
    - learning from the Gasol debacle, in 2008 trading up in 2nd round to secure Omer Asik. But losing him for nothing after 2 years in NBA.
    - losing No. 3 pick Ben Gordon for nothing.
    - not trading Luol Deng for a 2012 draft pick that would have become Harrison Barnes. Potentially losing No. 7 pick Deng for nothing if he's not traded very soon.
    - Horrible free agent signings of Ben Wallace and Carlos Boozer.
    - draft night trade of LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa.

    No GM can be perfect, but GarPax have an ATROCIOUS record. Their best trade was one they didn't want to make but were forced to make - the Eddy Curry trade. John Paxson was withdrawn and depressed for a full month after being forced to trade Eddy Curry - and it was the best trade in his career resulting in Joakim Noah and LaMarcus Aldridge! Paxson screwed it up with the Aldridge trade, but made at least a partial recovery by trading Tyrus Thomas for a future and protected 1st.

    My point is you can't build a championship team by making bad move after bad move, and perhaps mostly non- moves, missed opportunities and losing top draft pick assets for nothing. And this is what defines GarPax, imo..

    It should be noted that the string of bad moves for Krause began after he broke up the championship core of Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Phil Jackson. The breakup directly correlated with the owner-planned 1998-99 lockout which brought the luxury tax to the NBA. Is this exact timing of the championship breakup with the luxury tax a coincidence? Or was the known coming of the owner-planned Lockout-New CBA-Luxury Tax the direct cause of Reinsdorf's actions? It is my contention that Rein$dorf has been managing the Bulls for profits in favor of championship rings for the entire Luxury Tax Era which began with the 1998-99 lockout and will continue until the HardCapEra is initiated probably in 2017.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Interesting comment about the comparison to the Dick Motta era. Those were my formative years as a Bulls fan, and I loved that team, always have fond memories of them, but I was a little kid, don't know if I would feel the same as an adult.

    Agree about acquiring another draft pick to pick up Barton, I liked him going into the draft. Agree about buying/acquiring picks in general, but it has likely become much harder/costlier under the new CBA.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Ah, but last draft (2012) FOUR 2nd round draft picks were sold for Cash Only on draft night - picks 36, 41, 54, 55. Indiana bought 36, Brooklyn bought 41 and 54, Lakers bought 55. That evidence suggests buying a 2nd is easy, if not very easy.

    So that begs my question, if Bulls were intending to draft a SG prospect but changed their mind when PG Teague unexpectedly dropped to them at No. 29, why not just get out the checkbook buy a 2nd for cash and draft the SG prospect you originally intended to take a few picks earlier?

    The salary for a 2nd round draftee would be very similar to all those 1-year deals Bulls signed. So why not, during a season you know Rose is out with his ACL, develop some SG talent for the future rather than waste that roster/salary spot on a VladRad whom you know won't be return after his 1-year deal expires???

    ANSWER: Management didn't want to spend the Cash for the 2nd! Pacers, Nets and Lakers did. ALTERNATIVE ANSWER: GarPaxDorf are simply too dimwitted to execute such a simple strategy. Neither answer is acceptable if you're trying to build talent around Derrick Rose to compete for a championship.

  • This is my favorite team since the Big Three Jordan Pippen and Rodman

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