Bulls flat out screwed by refs

Bulls flat out screwed by refs

Look, no one likes to listen to people whine about the officials, but the Bulls came roaring back, forced OT, and won the game against the Nuggets. They won the game until the refs decided to take it from them and make it a loss. There's simply no other way to say it.

Blogabull has a nice write up covering everything here.

However, to sum it up:

1: Koufos clearly goaltends a ball earlier. It is literally sitting on the rim when he tip slams it home, it's a no doubt 100% goaltend.
2: The refs said they can't review it because you can only review a call not a non call.
3: They appeared to not call goaltending on Noah's shot until they saw it on a monitor
4: If they had waited for the overhead view, they would have seen an angle where it looked pretty clear that Noah touched it prior to hitting the cylinder.
5: While the rule states you can't touch a ball that will touch the rim, and this certainly was going to touch the rim, the refs didn't rule it a goaltend for that reason. They released a statement saying it was in the imaginary cylinder but made the call prior to seeing an angle showing it probably wasn't.

The official rule on goaltending is that if the ball is going to hit the rim you can't touch it.

Rule 11, Section 1-A, Sub-Section g states that a player cannot:

Touch any live ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to touch the basket ring. This is considered to be a "field goal attempt" or trying for a goal.

I know people will quote the rule a:

Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder

However, this is an "or" situation. You can't do "a" or "g", and this ball was clearly a shot attempt and clearly going to touch the rim. What makes it confusing is the refs statement saying that rule "g" did not come into play. They treated it like an alley oop and only called it a goaltend only due to the fact that it was above the cylinder. Except that it wasn't.

Now all of this would be somewhat moot. Bad calls happen, except Kosta Koufos had just goaltended the shit out of the ball a few plays earlier. The ball was literally sitting on the rim. It wasn't above an imaginary cylinder where maybe a fraction of the ball was over it and maybe it wasn't. The ball was physically touching the rim sitting on the middle of it.

It was one of the more obvious offensive basket interference calls you'll ever see. Having that juxtaposed against Noah's call which you would effectively never see called in an NBA game was mindblowing.

And if you don't feel bad enough about the refs?

While no one seemed to pick up on it, Andre Miller also traveled big time on the possession that led to the Andre Iguodala three. He runs in using a skip step for both his steps, then shuffles both feet with another little unintentional hop while trying to skid to a stop (he could only move one foot as a pivot but moves both), then also may have used a fifth step while trying to dive out and pass the ball to Iguodala.

It was definitely a travel, the question is only whether he ridiculously moved hit pivot foot twice or just once. So if the goaltend bit doesn't piss you off enough, just know that the final Denver shot also shouldn't have counted either. The Bulls were effectively reffed out of five to seven points in the final couple minutes of the game.

Outside of the controversy on the call the final 15 minutes of this game were a joy to watch. The Bulls executed on offense play after play. They hit big shot after big shot. They tore down the Denver lead and tied the game. They scored repeatedly in the final few minutes and overtime. It was a thrilling finish and would have stood up as one of the best games of the year had the refs done their job correctly.

Joakim Noah's ready to go

His final tip may have been ruled out, but Noah dominated the game with another absurd box score that you won't see too often. 14 points, 12 boards, six assists and seven blocks. Noah's help defense down the stretch gave the Bulls a shot as he blocked multiple shots that looked like sure baskets to keep the Bulls in the game to force overtime.

He knocked down the jumper to kick off overtime, should have had the tap to win the game, and overall is playing at an extremely high level.

It's nice to see good Nate

Down the stretch when the Bulls needed buckets, Nate Robinson was there to deliver, including the three with seven seconds left to send the game into over time. The Nuggets simply couldn't stop Robinson as he scored repeatedly down the stretch with a combination of long range jumpers, mid range jumpers, and forays to the hoop.

You can't count on Robinson to do that every game, obviously, but damn it's exciting when he does.

At any rate, it will go down as a disappointing loss for the team even if it was a fun game to watch. I'm proud of the team for their fight and for the comeback even if it came a little short.

Maybe Derrick saw something to inspire him to become mentally ready last night.

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  • While we're at it, did anyone else notice that Marcos big step-back 3 was an obvious 2? Fortunately for us, GKarl didnt.

  • In reply to retrodman:

    yes someone did notice, the scorekeeper, the Bulls were only awarded 2 points for that shot.

  • Nate missed free throw was huge . Refs still screwed us tho

  • Can bulls petition this game?

  • I blame Paxson. And then Forman. If they had signed Lebron and Wade this never would have happened.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    You beat me to it :-)

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    It is sad when your best player and only shot at winning a game is a guy on a non guaranteed minimum deal. That is the guy you lean on for offense because all your high paid guys can't score on their own not to mention your last two "big" MLE signings are always injured.

  • In reply to Chad:

    EXACTLY!! Not for nothing, but that is the sort of predicament you'd expect to find the Hornets or Bobcats in, not the NBA's most profitable team in the third largest market (largest market with only 1 team).

  • In reply to Salvamini:

    How many teams in the league have anything but journeyman third-string point guards? The bulls are starting their third-string pg next to their second string sg. The fact that they are above .500 is a testament to how well run the organization is from top to bottom. What happened to Philly when they revamped their bench and lost their starting C? Is Bynum that much better than Rose?

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    That's not the point.

    The point is that you have about $42 million invested in at least three other players (Boozer, Deng, Noah), and only one of them really showed up....meaning you HAD to rely on said scrubinee.

    It isn't that you need a guy to fill minutes due to injury. That happens all the time.

    It is that you've got top $$$ paid to guys who are getting outworked by someone on the verge of D-Leaguedom. That's Turrible, to quote Barkley.

  • In reply to Salvamini:

    Deng is being checked by an all-world defender in Iguodala and Nate is being checked by a 37 who never much cared for defense 10 years ago. Nate's number was being called because of good coaching, not because he's some kind of hidden gem. And Noah was there all night. You don't really know much about this game, do you...

  • In reply to Chad:

    It's sad when you think the bull's best player is Nate Robinson.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    I agree, that's why a lot of the guys on the Bulls need to be released or traded. Out of the 15 players on the roster 10 or maybe 11 of them need to be replaced. Rose, Noah, Taj, Butler, and Nate would be the only players that I would hope to be retained

  • In reply to Reese1:


  • In reply to Reese1:

    I would add Marco to that list. When have Bulls had a better SG? And don't say MJ!

  • In reply to Edward:

    MJ is a whole other subject but i agree if the Bulls couldn't find better then Marco could be added to that list.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Nate Robinson over deng?? Wow everything u ever posted should now be Called into question. lol I'm gonna assume your thinking is based on money?? We need a 2 and 4. Taj should start and bulls get backup 4. Bulls should try to keep Marco. And get starting 2 guard. Problem is theres no clear cut 2 guard that would put us over top.

  • In reply to bullzfan:

    Ummm... I've seen better 2 guards than Marco, i mean he's ok but imo the Bulls need a 2 guard with a little more consistency. If the Bulls can't do better than i would add him to the list of players the bulls should keep. And yes i would take Nate over Deng, that's just my opinion cause Deng is one dementional and he is what he is. The Bulls need change and using Deng as trade bait would be a start to that change.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And as i said Deng need to be used as trade bait, that's the only reason i would take Nate over a over rated all star in Deng while his value is somewhat high. That's where the 2 or backup 4 would come from through the Deng trade.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And i truly do believe that Butler can be better than Deng with more playing time and experience, he's almost at Dengs level now.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Nice idea but you won't get anything in return for Deng that would be equal to his value for the Bulls. The rest of the NBA knows he's not a go-to offensive player or someone you can build around. The best you could do is get picks, and the chances of drafting a player who is better than Deng are extremely slim.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Agreed. I have been advocating a Deng trade for a couple years. However, I'm afraid Bulls passed on their best chance to get value for Deng on draft night 2012. Will there be any takers for Deng on draft night 2013? Especially with only 1 year left on his contract?

    If Bulls don't trade him on draft night, then negotiations for a contract extension begin, and I don't want to see Deng overpaid by Bulls again - or walk for nothing. If Deng isn't traded one of those two bad outcomes will occur.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I meant keep Marco but for bench not as a starter. Yes I understand deng has limits offensively but u can't keep Nate over deng. Still have rebounding and above average defense. He we be gr8 3rd option. Our Chris bosh if we had a legit 2. Nate can only do one thing score and that's not even consistent. But I get ur point tho

  • In reply to bullzfan:

    Reinsdorf actually coerced the league into selecting Deng as a 2-time all-star to make Bulls fans think he's better than he is and to make GarPax and his organization look better. The fans here are too smart to get fooled though.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    Sorry, the league doesn't select the non-starters for the all star team. They are called coaches selections for a reason. The coaches vote for the all stars after the first 5 per conference are chosen by the fans voting. "The league" only selects replacement players if a player is injured and cannot play.

    I'd venture your career as a stand up comedian isn't going well.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I agree with your 5, but

    With a presumably healthy Rose, Hinrich already signed for next season, and Teague, I doubt that the Bulls even make an effort to keep Nate.

    Barring a major trade(Deng, Bozo) the Bulls biggest move this offseason would be retaining Belli, and even that assumes that he doesn't get an offer exceeding the mini MLE.

  • I was flipping back and forth between the Bloackhawks-Avs and this game. The difference in quality of officiating between the NHL and the NBA is glaring. That is saying something, given that the referees in basketball have it fairly easy by comparison.

    Games moves slower
    Game is on less playing surface
    Game is played with a ball that is 10x the size of a puck (easier to track)
    Less people on the playing surface with less personnel changes
    Refs are generally in safer position (no pucks flying at them or people twice their size coming at them at 40mph on skates)

    Of the top 4 major sports, I would say the NBA refs, by and large, are the worst. Maybe not-so-coincidentally, I would also suggest that the NBA is the game that is easiest to 'fix' of the major sports without getting caught. Case in point, one allowed goaltending one way and calling it the other is a 4 point swing: when a typical NBA betting line is +/- 3.5 points.

    A less obvious example would be calling ticky-tack fouls at the start of a quarter. It dictates the style of play (over/under), as well as sets up foul shots later (again, over/under, as well as spread). However, do it soon enough in a quarter, after 8-10 minutes, people will forget about how those fouls had a downstream impact on the outcome.

    Not saying the fix was in, by any stretch. However, it is games like last night that, in my opinion, put a tarnish on the overall NBA product. When you have as much faith in NBA refs as you do WWE refs, you've got a problem.

    Stern has largely ignored it. Hopefully, his successor tackles it and puts it away. I would like to believe that Donaghy was alone. Right now, I just can't believe it fully.

  • In reply to Salvamini:

    I don't think the NBA has been a perfectly clean game by any means.

    You ever notice how similar the behavior of David Stern and Lance Armstrong have been? Both were known bullies and power mongers. Both swore they were clean and both would go ape shit to squash any suggestion to the contrary. Both would go out of their way to punish or discredit anyone who questioned the integrity of them or their sport. I do think that in time, shocking truths about Stern's NBA will be unveiled.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    That's a great comparison. Hadn't thought of it that way, but you're spot on.

  • This controversy seems like a good time to propose a rule change that I have always thought makes sense and would make the game more exciting.

    There should be no offensive goaltending or basket interference. The offensive players should be able to do whatever they want to get the ball in the basket. I would keep the defensive goaltending rules in place. But I wouldn't care all that much if they eliminated those also, and made it a free for all.

    It won't even be considered, but really what would be the harm in eliminating offensive goaltending.

  • By the way the Bulls lost the game because their 2 time fake all star Luol Deng refused to block out Chandler and Koufos on 2 seperate plays in overtime instead chosing to stand flat footed, staring at the rim while Chandler and later Koufos waltzed by him for uncontested put backs, 4 extra points in overtime, Ballgame.

    Blocking out is a fundamental component of defense, something people keep trying to tell me that Luol Deng is excellent at, I don't see it.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I saw those missed box outs too.
    We have seen Deng's best basketball. He is who he is, and its not worth $13-14 million. Bulls should have traded him on draft night 2012, because Deng will demand a HUGE contract extension this fall.

    That said, Thibs plays Deng way too many minutes! He looks exhausted.

  • In reply to Edward:

    if by exhausted, you mean a spastic pansy, I totally agree.

  • Been watching a lot of Kings Bball and I think the Bulls and Bulls fans should stop focusing on Tyreke. We need Marcus Thorton. He's exactly what we need. The dude is a legit 2, a shot maker, he's young, and he's got bad habits having been on a crap team his whole career, but Rose, Thibs,Noah, etc. will change that. Plus, he's not nearly as coveted as Tyreke. Not sure what his contract status is, but that's someone the Bulls should explore.

  • Why is there so much Tyreke Evans talk on this blog, but nothing about Marcus THorton? He's a 2, a better shot maker and less coveted. Hope the Bulls are taking notice...

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