Bulls Beat #249 - I Forgot

Bulls Beat #249 - I Forgot

Somehow I recorded an episode of the Bulls Beat, but I did not post it right away, and forgot what I discussed, that said, I'm sure it was epic [or not].

Bulls Beat #249 - I forgot

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  • I agree with you on Taj, but Bulls need to guarantee a starting position for Taj, otherwise I reckon he's going elsehwere.

  • In reply to anasemaj:

    The Bulls need to guarantee $10mil per year for Taj, otherwise I reckon he's going elsewhere.

  • Doug's well reasoned analysis finishes by saying essentially, 'Hey come on, maybe this upcoming season will be fun to watch after all.' And good for him. Bulls fans need some positive reinforcement at some point.

    I would agree with that sentiment if only a couple of things would have happened: 1) Boozer amnestied for a small deferred payment to give the cap situation much needed flexibility. 2) Trade an oft injured and limited Deng for a top 5-7 pick in an unusually deep draft.

    Fine, you want to avoid the tax so be it(really it's not fine seeing the ratings and money to be made with Derrick and a second star and an offensively potent/upgraded team), but being reasonable as a Bulls fan where Jerry Reinsdorf, like it or not, is the owner.

    So now as Bulls fans minus Derrick for the short term we still could watch a young talent like Lillard, Barnes, Ross, Lamb etc. develop in an understood 'development' aka tanked season to garner ANOTHER top 5-7 pick. So back to back top lotto picks along with development time for Butler as well as seeing if Taj and Jo can beef up their offensive numbers with plenty of opportunities around minus Derrick.

    That, losses or no, could have been a fun results oriented light at the end of the tunnel season. Next year say you have a future offensive force emerging in Lillard, Ross, Lamb along with another top 5 pick and a core of Derrick, Taj, and Jo remaining. That would be a well respected league wide situation with a huge upside for both Bulls fans and NBA/Derrick Rose fans.

    Instead, we will have Klank, Belinelli, and Rad getting plenty of minutes of basically occupied space with no meaning toward future success or development. I can't say the league wide condemnation of the Bulls offseason 'choices' bodes well for next season. No, I really can't. Plus Gar/Pax(sounds like a wayward military coalition) have really left Tom Thibodeau twisting in the wind to be honest. Adding two chronic injured players back to back in Rip and Kirk along with old Rad and old Nazr? Plus no contract or show of franchise support. Yes, a gem of a season awaits us Bulls fans. Bulls ticket sales slogan for 2012-13 "Embrace the Horror!!"

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Agree 100% with the 'tank-rebuild' plan.

    If Boozer isn't in the plans, why not Amnesty him early, get some teams to bid high on him, and that frees up legit cap space. At the very least, Bulls could have got Luis Scola for $4mil per for the next 3 years.

    GSW and TOR were definitely shopping their 7th and 8th picks for a proven All-Star caliber SF. Bulls could have got Barnes (to replace Deng), Ross/Lamb/Rivers (to be our future starting SG), Drummond/Leonard (to replace Asik), or heck, even Henson (to replace Taj if he's moved).

    Which brings me to Taj. If the Bulls aren't willing to spend upwards of $10mil per year on him, they should have dumped him for a top-20 pick. Are we suppose to believe DET (9th), POR (11th), PHO (13th), MIL (14th), or HOU (12th, 16th, 18th) wouldn't have given up their picks for a proven 2-way PF in Taj?

    Bulls could have went cheap and gone after the likes or Kirk, Belinelli, Nazr etc...or make a play for some bargain FAs like Mayo ($4mil), Lee ($5mil), Beasley ($6mil), Camby ($3mil), Crawford ($5mil), Carl Landry ($4mil), Bayless ($3mil), JET ($5mil), LouWill ($5mil), Gerald Green ($3mil), Hickson ($4mil), Jamison ($2mil), Kaman ($8mil), etc.

    So the Bulls could hypothetically have had a 2012-13 roster of:

    C. Noah (Drummond)
    PF. Scola (Malcolm Thomas)
    SF. Butler (Royce White)
    SG. Rip (Gerald Green)
    PG. Bayless (Teague)

    Sit Rose out the entire year, tank, probably get a top-8 pick. Going into the 2013 season, Bulls would have Butler having 2 years of experience, Teague, Drummond, and White having 1 year of experience. And the Bulls would probably have enough to offer up to the max, to get a starting SG like Monta, Iggy, Harden, Tyreke, Kevin Martin, or DeRozan.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    "And the Bulls would probably have enough to offer up to the max, to get a starting SG like Monta, Iggy, Harden, Tyreke, Kevin Martin, or DeRozan."

    They probably would have enough to offer the max for those guys, but few of them are worth it! Harden maybe, but he'll be restricted.

    The mistake the Bulls made, after signing Boozer, was not trading Noah for Carmelo. If you are going to pay a guy the max, let's get someone worth the max! Now there's a concept!

    "GSW and TOR were definitely shopping their 7th and 8th picks for a proven All-Star caliber SF. Bulls could have got Barnes (to replace Deng), Ross/Lamb/Rivers (to be our future starting SG), Drummond/Leonard (to replace Asik), or heck, even Henson (to replace Taj if he's moved)."

    Deng for Barnes would have made sense, but the FO did not expect him to slip that far, so they didn't make the trade. They should have done some other trades, however. If Taj walks for nothing, the FO should be replaced.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    "So now as Bulls fans minus Derrick for the short term we still could watch a young talent like Lillard, Barnes, Ross, Lamb etc. develop in an understood 'development' aka tanked season to garner ANOTHER top 5-7 pick."

    That would have been a good idea! Plus buy a couple of #2s, like Cunningham. Or maybe trade Taj for a #1. Why not? Low risk, potential high reward. No cap issues with the draft picks, either.

  • First, on the interview, I didn't hear Rose sounding pissed at all. I thought he sounded like he was disapointed, but that he knows the reality of the NBA is that players come and go.

    As for comments made about tanking the year for draft picks and trading players for draft picks, that sounds great, but is very risky. The Bulls have a team (with Rose) that can win a lot of games and go deep in the playoffs. If they traded Deng or Noah for high picks, not only would they be worse but there is no guarantee that those rookies will turn out to be any good. Right now, I love Lillards game, but maybe he is the next Sebastian Telfair, lots of hype no production. Barnes sounds nice to replace Deng, but fans have been screaming about how much Deng sucks for years. Why get four more years of a guy people love to hate? Maybe they draft another Tyrus Thomas or they get Stromile Swift, all guys that were supposed to be really good but stink. All I'm saying is that I don't think you can say that the offseason is a wash because they didn't load up on unproven talent. Remember the promises that came with the drafting of Chandler and Curry? Maybe it would all work out in the end and they would have what OKC has, but they haven't won a championship yet and they may have missed their chance.

    One more thing. After seeing what Carmelo Anthony has done to the Knicks, people still want this guy as their center piece? If he couldn't handle the attention that Lin took away from him, what would he do with Rose?

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    "One more thing. After seeing what Carmelo Anthony has done to the Knicks, people still want this guy as their center piece? If he couldn't handle the attention that Lin took away from him, what would he do with Rose?"

    Excellent question. Here Carmelo could have been the #1 guy! He can be a deadly shooter, and he grabs a lot of rebounds, too. Sure as shooting, he would have taken the pressure off Rose! Then it would have been a matter of the third Allstar. The Bulls still would have had Deng, Taj, and maybe Asik (if he didn't go in the trade).

    Now where do the second and third Allstars come from?

    And Doug is absolutely right, San Antonio would never have signed Boozer to his contract. Without Boozer, Denver might have traded Afflalo and Carmelo to the Bulls (for Noah, Asik, Charlotte pick, other picks, pieces). The Boozer contract hamstrung the Bulls and continues to do so.

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