The Chicago Bulls are still seeking a way to trade Kyle Korver, not to obtain assets to help the team win, but to save his 500k buyout. A ridiculous notion for a team as flush with cash as the Chicago Bulls. They've already let Brewer and Watson go in order to save money as well.
All reports are that the Bulls are torn on what to do with Asik, matching him puts them in the luxury tax for the next two seasons unless they let Taj Gibson go, and while I want the Bulls to match Asik, I only want them to do so with the assurance it won't hinder other moves due to salary fears.
I like Asik. I think he's a premier big man defender in the NBA rather than just a big body who can get some rebounds and play a little defense. The Bulls won't replace him with a low salaried player. He's a Tyson Chandler type with a big less athleticism, and I can see why a team would make him their starting center.
That said, he's also largely redundant on this roster with Joakim and Taj. He's the one I value least of the three because he's, by far, the most offensively inept. If the Bulls are going to get scared off by the repeater tax and future tax bills then they need to say goodbye to Asik.
Everything they've done this season indicates this is the case. Going into next year, if the Bulls don't amnesty Boozer, they'll be sitting at a salary around 72 million assuming a 9 million dollar first year for Gibson for just Rose, Deng, Booz, Noah, Gibson, Butler, Teague, Hinrich, and the Hamilton buy out. That number is already likely in the luxury tax area and the Bulls still won't have a starting shooting guard on the roster unless someone thinks Hinrich is that guy.
Chicago may amnesty Boozer that season, and while everyone loves to rip on Boozer, the Bulls aren't going to have the assets to pick up another quality big man to replace him with. I wouldn't be surprised if it came to that, but if so, Chicago will likely be considerably worse for the move.
Scary enough, given our roster make up, I'd probably rather keep Boozer than Asik. Either way, I think it's fair to say we can expect the Bulls to stay under the tax unless a superstar is coming. I believe what I've always believed about the Bulls with regards to the luxury tax. They will pay it if and only if it enhances profits. Reinsdorf will not hesitate to pay a 10 million dollar luxury tax if the team generates more profits than the team not paying it.
Adding a player such as Dwight Howard, whom the Bulls aren't pursuing, while paying the tax would be such a scenario. However, keeping the best team possible on the floor or adding quality role players on good deals will not qualify. The Miami Heat, Boston Celtics, L.A. Lakers, New York Knicks, and New Jersey Nets are all willing to do that, but the Bulls are not.
The Bulls will pay the tax to add a superstar that adds to the bottom line. The team is run like a business where only the bottom line matters. Not the fans. Not the product. Not the ring. Just the cash. That's it. The basketball side is sick to win, they want to win desperately, will do anything to win, but they are cut off at the knees by the business side. We've already seen that this off-season, and we can expect the trend to continue.
Gar Forman promised the Bulls would make basketball decisions not financial ones. He'll have to get up and explain to fans why C.J. Watson and Ronnie Brewer both stated that management wanted them back but couldn't keep them due to the luxury tax. He'll have to explain why Kyle Korver will be replaced by a vastly inferior player. He may or may not have to explain why they let go their #1 off-season priority, Omer Asik.
Jerry Reinsdorf probably likes the Chicago Bulls like you like the guy working next to you. We all hope our co-workers are doing well, but if they get into trouble we're probably not volunteering to pay their mortgage for them. Jerry Reinsdorf assuredly wants the Bulls to win, but not at the cost of profits. That's the simple fact, and this team will be handicapped by it for as long as he runs it. It doesn't mean the Bulls can't win, but it means their margin for error is very slim. Small market teams need to be flawless to win championships. They don't have the margin of error to make 1-2 bad signings or screw up a draft pick here or there. They can't spend their way out of messes.
The Bulls are a small market team in one of the biggest markets and need to make all moves under the belief that there's no financial bailout coming for mistakes.
@Riles23 so is an Asik S&T off the table or is it something that could happen?
It is off the table. The Bulls can only offer Asik 5/5/5/5 (and change on the end of those 5s) while the Rockets can offer 5/5/14. This is due to a loop hole in the Early Bird rights + Gilbert Arenas clause. Since the Rockets can offer 9 million more than the Bulls, a sign and trade would cost Asik nine million over three years only to gain back five million in year four since he'd have to sign with the Bulls offer.
If Asik was willing to give up that much cash to do the Bulls a favor, he'd just sign with them outright.
@NoahLaPorte Woj just tweeted that Thibs didn't want to get rid of ANY of the players on the roster.
It will be interesting to see how this impacts the Bulls negotiations with Thibodeau. Thibodeau came from a Celtics organization that was committed to winning. He's now seeing that the Bulls are not committed to winning. This is actually true at most NBA locations thought.
I'm sure it was a sobering and depressing moment for Thibs, and it wouldn't surprise me if it hurts our contract negotiations with him.
@bcook1132 Dude gave all he had, playing w/ sprained ankle and plantar fascitis most of the year. My guess is Thibs loved him
I think Thibs will like Hinrich more than Watson, but I think the overall in/out moves for the off-season hurt the roster.
@cory4280 why the bulls are keeping together a team currently not constructed good enough to beat the heat or thunder in the playoffs
There really isn't much other choice. I think they'd like to get another star player in here, but it's not easy to get star players. If there were 60 of them out there and every team could have two then they wouldn't really be stars anymore. The one move that could solve this is trading for Dwight Howard, but management won't pursue him.
I'm not sure if Howard has just done something disastrous with them behind the scenes, because I'd take him and try to convince him to stay rather than use the plan they are on now which is to bring back a worse team to go up against a team that was better than you last year and improved considerably.
@Hendu0520 lol would be nice, why do people act like we haven't seen Taj start? He wasn't that great when Booz was out
I'm not a Boozer apologist, but I think people overstate how bad he is, and I think we'd be a worse team if he was subtracted. He's a frustrating player at times, but he's still a quality NBA big man. He's just not a 15 million dollar per year one. If Boozer was on an eight million dollar per year contract, we'd think he was an awesome value.
@IAmWillMarsh If Bulls fans are frustrated with Boozer, I can only imagine what the reaction to Josh Smith would be
I don't know if Smith would be more or less frustrating than Boozer, but I do think there is definitely a grass is always greener side of things going on here.
@nwfisch I'd Trade Boozer to a team and expect a similar or lesser return than Joe J, time to clear space for later and take a chance.
Any more crazy billionaire's on spending sprees out there? Nope. However, even if it were a possibility, if the Bulls wanted to dump Boozer for cap room then they could simply amnesty him. A huge chunk of his contract would get picked up by someone else.
@Rudens23 it would look really bad for Bulls management if Houston who wasn't on DH list trades for him and he winds up resigning later on
It looks really bad for Houston if they gutted their entire roster in an attempt to get Howard and fail to do it or he leaves. I admire them for taking the risk, the odds of Howard staying there strike me as much lower than the odds of him staying here, as even if they're successful, they have nothing around him.
@godrose1 if Bulls sign and trade korver to Atlanta for 2nd rounder and TE who would Bulls try to trade for?
My guess is they wouldn't use it this year and would consider using it next off-season.
@Riles23 any way the market plays out that a guy like Lee or Mayo has to take MMLE? long shot, but im hoping.
Yes, but the latest intel I've got on the Bulls thinking makes me believe they wouldn't pull the trigger on using the MMLE even if they had it back.
@Puertoricotech can we. Get a s&te with Houston for. J. Richarson if the trade. For Howard gets. Done?
If we wanted Richardson we could get him for Korver from the Magic right now. They'd probably throw in a 2nd rounder or two as well.
@Dan_the_Man_94 What is the chance of us even getting DH?
Like the lottery, no one ever won without a ticket. We're not buying tickets. If we did, I think we'd probably land him.
@Chaflyyyyyy did the Bulls match Asik's offer?
Houston hasn't officially made the offer yet. They're expected to make the offer today or Saturday. The Bulls will have three days to match once it is made.
@gaveduck what the latest on korver trade
I think Korver trade talks are dead. They died with Minny/Portland, and I would think if anything were going to happen with Atlanta that it'd already be done. It's not like there's a lot to negotiate here.
@sgredv I am concerned alot of teams passing us with trades? Agree or not? What should we do next?
I think the only team that really may have passed us in the East is the Nets though New York will probably come back tougher more due to coaching change and a full season to gel with Lin and the hopes of a healthier roster. Boston losing Allen and getting Terry is probably a push, but everyone else is still older and slower, and I think we were pretty far ahead.
The Bulls, for all of our bitching, probably aren't going to be much worse than last year once Rose is fully healthy. Kirk's an adequate CJ replacement, Teague gives us something we were lacking last sesaon, and I think Butler has potential. They'll miss Kyle's shooting, but overall, I think Kyle did his best against crappy teams that we could largely have beaten without him. Disciplined teams typically weren't burned by Korver.
The key for the Bulls will be health. Is Deng going to have surgery, how long is Rose out, can Boozer stay healthy two seasons in a row, how about Noah, Hamilton, and Hinrich? The whole roster is riddled with guys who haven't had a good history of staying healthy with the MVP and one of the next most important players both potentially missing a good chunk of the season. Noah's also still rehabbing his ankle, so don't be surprised if he shows up to camp out of shape as well.
The biggest problem for Chicago may be the lack of margin for error if guys are injured this season, particularly if Asik doesn't stay with the team.
@jamfan41 So are the Bulls waiting to waste their time and miss out on another free agent?
They can't afford anyone right now. They only have the vet minimum, and really, like it or not, the roster is mostly full. Most teams play a nine to 10 man rotation in the regular season. Here's the Bulls rotation right now.
If they match Asik, where do they even have room to play another guy? If not, they'll still not have much money to spend, but it's not like there's any quality big men available on the FA market anyway.
Adidas and Dwight Howard
I tweeted something to the effect that Adidas was blocking Howard from Chicago in terms of his shoe deal much to the dismay of everyone which caused about 50 tweets back to me on various topics about why I'm completely wrong in this instance. I probably did put out an inaccurate off the cuff guess in terms of money by saying 5-10 mil per year. It's probably much less than that, more like 3-5 mil per year, but it's definitely a factor.
The shoe companies have tremendous influence in these things, and you're crazy to think otherwise. I was once told by a Nike rep about a trade of one of their guys prior to it being leaked to the press anywhere.
Dwight can't just go jump to Nike and get a similar deal. Nike has a crapload of players under contract and has little incentive to offer Howard a premier shoe deal with everyone else locked up. For Adidas, Dwight is the #1 or #2 guy depending how you feel about Rose. There's just far more money with him.
He does have a market clause in his contract, and I was told Chicago wasn't in it because they don't want him sharing the market with Derrick Rose. Sure, it's possible this is bad information, but the pieces fit, so I believe it. I think if the Bulls get Howard, that Adidas will not try to convince him to leave Chicago, because it'd make them look terribly stupid, but I do believe Howard would lose a ton of money from them if he came here.
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