Bulls off-season permutations

Bulls off-season permutations

The Bulls have plenty of tough decisions this off-season that depend largely on how much luxury tax they're willing to pay now, how much luxury tax they're willing to pay in the future, and how much they want to go for it this season

Is Omer more valuable than the MLE?

I like Omer, I'd like to keep Omer, but if I can get a TPE and a future 1st from Houston for Omer, then I let him go. The question ultimately comes down to whether Omer is more or less valuable than the MLE and ability to use a S&T. It depends whom the Bulls can get for the MLE of course, but if they can land Brandon Rush, Nick Young, Lou Williams, Courtney Lee, or O.J. Mayo with the MLE then I'd be tempted to go that route over keeping Omer.

Omer is valuable, but he's less valuable to Chicago whom already had a ton of money tied up in the front court. If you're going to lose one of your big men, Carlos Boozer would be the number one choice. However, given that there aren't likely any takers for Boozer, Omer Asik should be next on the list. I'm tying myself to Noah and Gibson as the big men I want to stick around for the future. Particularly with Mirotic being the guy who comes over in a couple seasons.

That said, there's no guarantee you can get one of those players for the MLE either. Lee, Rush, and Young are restricted. Lou Williams will likely sign for more than the MLE to stay with Philly, and O.J. Mayo may get a better offer as well.

How much do you offer Taj in an extension?

I think if Taj has another healthy, productive season, you have to assume he's going to get 9-11 million in offers from other teams. Lowering the number of years in deals has also made teams more aggressive in the total dollars they can offer per year. Four years simply isn't that long of a time even if you box yourself into something crappy. Typically, if you like a guy enough to make him an offer one year, you won't sour on him until at least season three at which point he's a relatively short term problem.

As such, I'd probably start negotiations with Taj at around eight million per season, but I'd come to terms on an agreement at nine million if I had to. If you're not willing to pay Taj nine million next season then you need to start exploring trades for him right now and attempt to get as much value back as you can, because he'll be gone anyway.

Do you keep one of Korver, Brewer, or Watson?

If you want to win, the obvious answer would be yes. Particularly if you keep Omer Asik as well. The luxury tax bill will be higher, but the Bulls will spend a half season [minimum] trying to replace Rose, Watson, Brewer, and Korver with Jimmy Butler, Marquis Teague, and some guy making 3/9.7 [which is less than all four of those guys].

Brewer is better than Butler, Watson will almost assuredly be worlds better than Teague initially, and some dude making three million isn't likely to replace Korver. We still haven't touched on how you make an attempt to replace any of Rose's skills [obviously impossible to replace his impact]. However, if the Bulls keep Watson around, then they can use that MMLE slot on a wing player to help add depth.

This might be crucial if Rip Hamilton is unable to play significant minutes and given his past few seasons why would we expect anything other than significant Hamilton injury problems? I don't think Rip is a bad dude, and I think he can still help a team while healthy, but he's not someone I want to count on at this stage of the game.

In short, if you can only bring in one non vet minimum guy to go along with one rookie and need to replace three quality veterans and a superstar good luck. If you can at least keep one of those veterans it would help significantly.

The long term tax implications will decide on Asik

This is a tough year to stomach going into the tax if you're going to be squeamish about paying it later. The Bulls aren't likely to compete for a title this season with Derrick Rose coming back mid-season to likely considerably less than 100% form. They will field a similar team to last year except losing three valuable role players for three guys who are worse.

If you keep Omer, you'll almost certainly be in the tax this season, and even if you just dip a toe into it, it sets up the Bulls to become repeat offenders down the line. It will become difficult to avoid the tax the next two years as well. While Chicago won't necessarily be deep in the tax in any of the three years [probably 3-8 million], they'll get hit with a repeat offender bill in that third season.

The alternative would be to make a move like trading Noah, Deng, or letting Taj go in order to avoid the tax, but then if your plan is to keep Omer over one of those guys you'd better simply rethink that plan. Omer's an incredible defensive player, but he's one of the worst offensive players in the NBA.

In short, the contract isn't that difficult to match for Chicago as overall it's at market value with two years being under and one being over. The year that's over the Bulls are largely expected to amnesty Carlos Boozer which would get them back into reasonable tax shape while Luol Deng will have expired and may be playing elsewhere or, at a minimum, take a paycut down to the 10-11 million dollar salary range.

In short, the poison pill in year three really isn't that poisonous to Chicago, but they'll likely considerably hurt the team or be in the low luxury tax area for the next three seasons if they keep him.

Cheap options to chase?

It's hard to know who will be a cheap option out there. In June we're worried about Steve Nash taking a huge discount to play with the Heat and where all the ring chasers will go. In July, we tend to laugh at how silly those thoughts are as basically ever player follows the money [nor do I blame Nash whom would give up 27 million or so to sign with the Heat].

As such, the options available won't really be known for another couple weeks when we see who shakes out and who doesn't. Kirk Hinrich, Delonte West, Brandon Roy, Ramon Sessions, Willie Green, and Derek Fisher are names being kicked around right now, but we'll see how many of those guys are really left when all the better offers are taken.

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  • Looks like the Bulls are missing out on the arms race in the East. Seeing what the Hawks took back in J Johnson trade makes me sick, yes Johnson isn't worth his contract but they got him for nothing. Every good team seems to be way more creative than the Bulls. How come they can't fleece someone like Atl did to Utah by getting DHarris for MWilliams. Atl got the better player on 1 yr contract while Williams had 2yrs left. Gar/Pax need to make some calls. Now it looks like the Nets will get Howard too and then poor DRose has to go up against Miami, Brooklyn, and Boston all by himse lf. Rose needs help and Luol Deng isn't cutting it. At this point I don't know what they can do to compete but that's why they get paid big bucks to run the team. A sign and trade with Asik like Doug outlined would be a start to competency but we'll see, i have no faith at all.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    Atl got nothing for Joe Johnson, and I think that might be a trade with two losers. But it does beg the question: if Atl can move Joe Johnson with a contract much worse than Boozer's given JJ's production, shouldn't there be a deal out there for Boozer that gets something back? Boozer is more productive and less costly. Even if the Nets get Dwight, I think that lockerroom implodes with Dwight thinking he should get the ball, and Joe not passing it to him.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    that's what is mean from the beginning !!!!! hawks can trade joe johnson that has a bigger contract than boozer.... So why the fuck we can't find a buyer for boozer. I think that Bulls should make an offer of boozer and omer to rockets for either kevin martin or Scola and future picks before we lose omer for nothing.... to anyone that dare to even say that no one want to touch boozer contract, I'll stomp your damn mouth. AND GAR/PAX BE CREATIVE !!!! DAMN IT..!!!! DON'T JUST SAY WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR BUT DO WHAT WE WANT... !!!!! TALK IS CHEAP !!!!!!

  • In reply to CoolWind:

    I agree how about this, nets strike out on howard & we offer Boozer, for Farmar, morrow, petro, & a resigned Humphries to make salary match. Bulls get 3 expiring deals, & offer 25 million to Mayo instead of Omar. Netshave a starting 5 of williams,johnson,wallace, boozer, lopez. That's a great team.

  • In reply to GarJR:

    I'd throw in the Charlotte pick and any of the Korver/Watson/Brewer crowd to make that deal. That would set up the Bulls for future moves. However, I won't believe it until I see it. You are thinking creatively, however. Good idea.

  • In reply to GarJR:

    I don't care how we get rid of Boozer..... as long as Rose and Noah are both UNTOUCHABLE.... the rest are expendable.... WHATEVER THE BULLS DO NEXT SEASON, WE ARE SCREWED !!!!!! (THANKS TO THE FAT ASS COACH NAME THIBS). So I don't hope for bulls to compete for title. they may even tank next seaso. I don't f**king care. I just want to see Gar/Pax try to at least do something crazy once a while like Hawks new GM rather than saying "we have enough to win", "we will match Asik offer", "we will make decision based on basketball view not financial view","we will bla bla bla". F**K you all Gar/Pax/Jerry. TALK IS CHEAP !!!!!!!

  • In reply to GarJR:

    Unfortunately, Farmar, Morrow, Petro are part of the deal to bring in Johnson, aren't they?

  • Yes, yes they are.

    And... no one want to touch Boozer.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    How could you say ATL got nothing for JJ?

    THEY GOT OUT OF HIS $100MIL CONTRACT!!!

    Not only that, but they got a draft pick to top it off.

    And for the record, JJ isn't the worst contract in the league, Boozer is. How do I know this? Because JJ just got traded and nobody wants Boozer.

    Boozer is not more productive, he is just less costly. The difference if, YOU seem to think JJ is a bum, but he was just selected to the All-Star....AGAIN. JJ is not a ball-hog, actually quite the reverse.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    How could you say ATL got nothing for JJ?

    THEY GOT OUT OF HIS $100MIL REMAINING CONTRACT!!!

    Not only that, but they got a draft pick to top it off.

    And for the record, JJ isn't the worst contract in the league, Boozer is. How did I come to this conclusion? Because JJ just got traded and nobody wants Boozer.

    Boozer is not more productive, he is just less costly. The difference if, YOU seem to think JJ is a bum, but he was just selected to the All-Star....AGAIN. JJ is not a ball-hog, actually quite the reverse.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    Because GarPax has no vision.

    All they do is play it safe and conservative, either with draft picks or with FAs or whatever else they do. That's why I fully expect them to resign Hinrich...not that he's a bad player (I like him), but they're only resigning him because he's safe.

    I wouldn't say the Nets 'fleeced' ATL because like you said, his contract is the 2nd worst in the league (Boozer is #1..how do I know? JJ just got traded...and nobody wants Boozer). In fact, i would argue the Nets are stupid, and more specifically...BIlly King (GM) is stupid.

    I have no idea why he still has his job after trading the 6th pick for a 2-month rental of Gerald Wallace, but by trading for JJ, this almost eliminates the best shot the Nets had of trading for Dwight, because they had 1 chip no other team had.

    Whereas LAL had Bynum, HOU had a plethora of young prospects, and GSW has Bogut+Klay or whoever they want, what NO other Dwight-contender team had other the the Nets was the cap space to take on Hedo's contract WITH Dwight. Now with JJ on the roster, that eliminates the 1 competitive advantage the Nets had. So in conclusion, Billy King is a moron.

    But getting back to your point, yes, GarPax have no vision.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    Because GarPax has no vision.

    All they do is play it safe and conservative, either with draft picks or with FAs or whatever else they do. That's why I fully expect them to resign Hinrich...not that he's a bad player (I like him), but they're only resigning him because he's safe.

    I wouldn't say the Nets 'fleeced' ATL because like you said, his contract is the 2nd worst in the league (Boozer is #1..how do I know? JJ just got traded...and nobody wants Boozer). In fact, i would argue the Nets are stupid, and more specifically...BIlly King (GM) is stupid.

    I have no idea why he still has his job after trading the 6th pick for a 2-month rental of Gerald Wallace, but by trading for JJ, this almost eliminates the best shot the Nets had of trading for Dwight, because they had 1 chip no other team had.

    Whereas LAL had Bynum, HOU had a plethora of young prospects, and GSW has Bogut+Klay or whoever they want, what NO other Dwight-contender team had other the the Nets was the cap space to take on Hedo's contract WITH Dwight. Now with JJ on the roster, that eliminates the 1 competitive advantage the Nets had. So in conclusion, Billy King is a moron.

  • Celts and Heat are going way into the tax. Again. Not sure why Bulls won't. It's not going to help them do anything except return profits to ownership.

  • In reply to JayJohnstone:

    The Celtics are well below the cap and so far only looking to resign their vets for cheaper deals.

    The Heat sold off their first round pick (Moultrie, a move they may later regret) and are likely to retire and get an injury exemption for Miller, which allows them to sign a player for 3 mill. They are being fiscally responsible.

    So far the Knicks, Nets and Lakers are in tax jeopardy. And I suspect the Lakers will dump Gasol off on the T'Wolves and solve their problem. The New York owners will raise ticket prices to the stratosphere and pay the tax.

  • In reply to sfpaper:

    The Heat sold off their 1stRounder for a BETTER 1stRounder next year (27th this year vs. Unprotected 1stRounder next year which will probably be in the teens).

    At 27th, Moultrie would have only cost about $900k. The other reason is their roster is already set with what they are, whoever they bring in at the VEt-Min probably won't get any minutes anyway (see Dexter Pittman).

    You are right about the Cs and LAL.

  • In reply to sfpaper:

    cheapers deals for their veterans ? 10 millions a year for KG, 9 millions for Jeff green (a player who didn't play the whole season), 6 millions for grandfather ray allen. And you call it cheap ??

    To win a championship, you almost need to go over the salary cap unless you got someone like Jordan.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    KG made 21 million last season. Ray Allen made 10. So yes, going from 31 to 16 would be cheaper. I didn't say it makes them better, only that they are not going to be luxury tax offenders as was said elsewhere.

  • In reply to sfpaper:

    They haven't finished their recruitment yet.

  • In reply to JayJohnstone:

    If you continue brainwashed by Jerry Reinsdorf's Propaganda, that's on you.

    I on the other hand have no faith in Reinsdorf when it comes to 'spending into the luxury tax'.

    That's the difference between the Bulls and every other title contender.

  • In reply to JayJohnstone:

    That's what happens when people continue to get brainwashed by Jerry Reinsdorf's Propaganda.

    I on the other hand have no faith in Reinsdorf when it comes to 'spending into the luxury tax'.

    That's the difference between the Bulls and every other title contender.

  • Even though 14 million is too much for a player with Omer's skills, the bulls would only be paying him that in year 3 of the deal. They would be getting a real bargain for the 1st 2 years given the market for big men. In the 3rd year, they have a massive expiring contract. I dont view that as a negative but rather a positive. Huge expiring contracts have become assets to teams looking to clear cap space. A bargain center for 2 years and a trade chip in the 3rd seems like a great move for the bulls. Why is this not correct?

  • In reply to AlanJ:

    Expiring contracts do not have the same value as a few years ago. Free agents like LeBron, Melo, and now Dwight are determining their own future, so clearing cap space may get you nothing more than a Boozer, or in Houston's case this year, an Asik. The new CBA punitive tax will determine trade values going forward. The Bulls would need to find someone with 15 million in cap space who is looking for a one-year rental, backup center with no offensive game. I think they need to consider the 8 million average and decide if that is stomachable. Again - I think it comes down to a choice. Keep Asik for three years or Boozer for one more year. With Rose out, why keep Boozer any longer?

  • Hmm if the Howard to the Nets goes down I think I would start to side with the Bulls bring back Omer at that Price range. He'll I sure you could always trade him if you had to.

    But yeah the East just got tougher to get through if this goes down.

    Might as well match it now.

  • In reply to SoulEater7:

    Especially if the Nets get what they want and that's to trade for Dwight, and THEN resign Gerald Wallace.

  • If the bulls don’t resign omer, and end up renouncing him or S&T him to the rockets for a trade exception and a protected pick, why not amnesty boozer and try to take advantage of the free agent market. Without omer and booz, the bulls are looking at appx 49 million in guaranteed money. This is assuming the bulls do not pick up their non guaranteed deals as they seem to be leaning towards. that leaves around 9 million dollars in space and the MLE to try and fill out the roster. With bargain vets and ring chasers, the bulls could conceivably make a run at players like brandon roy, jason kidd, antawn jamison and similar players. With a bit of luck they can get an MLE player like Mayo (probably out priced) or courtney lee who has been on the bulls radar for quite a while. This will not be a perfect situation, but if bulls management is not willing to spend, there will not be a perfect situation. This allows the bulls to field a very competitive team that is upgraded in some spots to last year and will get the bulls a fairly high seed as we await DRose and possibly Lu to come back. Bulls also keep flexibility due to short term contracts and cutting ties with boozer now.

  • Given the restraints placed by Jerry, I'm all for the Bulls signing Roy. It's a huge risk, but the Bulls have shown they are unwilling to take on saleries that would place them above the tax. I imagine the MLE gets the deal done. It's quite possible you end up with egg on your face, but it's also possible you get a player that can be Derrick's number two. The whole point of this Bulls endevor should be to find a star next to Derrick.

  • In reply to Hoover:

    Between Roy and Hamilton, we'd have 41 games covered next year at SG. Who plays the other 41?

    (btw, if I were Roy, I'd take a vet minimum deal for a couple of years to get myself into the Phoenix training room, and then make more money down the road. If he goes anywhere else, he's done. If he comes to the Bulls, he's probably done quicker.)

  • In reply to Salvamini:

    exactly, signing Roy means adding another Rip Hamilton.

  • Just FORGET about sign & trade.

    The Rockets offered Omer more money for 3 years than the Bulls could offer him in 4 years. The Bulls can NOT sign Omer to a contract like the Rocket offer. That offer can only come from another team.

    So the Rockets are not going to go back on their offer of $25 mill to Omer. Omer certainly isnt going to sign a contract with the Bulls for less as part of S & T.

    S & T is not an option in this case. It's going to be MATCH or NO MATCH

    (In only other previous case involving Bulls, Bulls matched Toronto's offer to Duhon many years ago. This is only their second case involving an offer sheet)

  • In reply to bulls6:

    I don't know all the rules...like if this offer can't be official until the July 7th official start time to sign or if the Bulls have until Wed (tomorrow) to match.

    The Bulls need to work out a S&T with HOU, and if HOU won't budge, you match Asik, and then trade him halfway through the season next year like DEN did with Nene.

  • In reply to bulls6:

    I don't know all the rules...like if this offer can't be official until the July 7th to sign or if the Bulls have until Wed (tomorrow) to match.

    The Bulls need to work out a S&T with HOU, and if HOU won't budge, you match Asik, and then trade him halfway through the season next year like DEN did with Nene.

  • I think there is no doubt the Bulls are going to match the offer to Asik as they said they would. I don't know if that is a good thing. The only question is whether they will then try to make a trade to reduce the money committed to overall and to keep Taj after next year. Although the Bulls may have only had this happen to them once with Chris Duhon, they tried to do this to Orlando a few years ago with an offer to JJ Redick that Orlando matched. So they know the game.

  • Taj is better than Asik but I'm hoping they can keep both. The Bulls have to wake up and amnesty Boozer after this season to make room for players that actually play hard and give effort. His empty stats don't impress me or him undermining the whole bulls team defensive scheme because he has lead feet. Get rid of him, he can go to miami where he wanted to go in the first place and root for the Heat like his children do. Bulls can't blink again, get on the phone with the Warriors and start to have preliminary talks on Deng for Harrison Barnes+expirings. This team needs to retool and get some more scoring somehow. This is going to be somewhat of a lost year anyway. They can afford to shake some things up.

  • In reply to Defense-Rebound13:

    EVERYONE, specifically small market teams, post new Hard Cap aka CBA MegaTax, was looking to dump inflated contracts at this year's draft. Big time. That's all we heard. The Bulls refused to rake back salary to trade Deng for a top five pick in Sacramento's that was there for the taking.

    When you have a new dynamic and clamoring sellers, that becomes a buyers market in a sense. If you are willing to spend a little as in $5-6 Mil year for Boozer's amnesty(compared to Miami and Boston i.e your competitors spending four times that much or more) you can free up cap space including we still would have likely taken back less then Deng's contract. Taking advantage of being a big market team as Boston and Miami are doing with spending. You'll get it back in revenues anyway unlike the scrambling small market sellers i.e Sacramento and Golden State.

    This should have been a huge opportunity for a big market, big revenue team like the Bulls, but Reinsdorf's leash i.e greed caused Gar/Pax and the Bulls failure to capitalize on it.

    Now you have your very good offfensive player likely better then Deng if you made the right choice and a future all star or at minimum a very good, cheaply priced offensive player in Damian Lillard.The cheap star player offsetting the semi-worthless contracts of a Salmons and Garcia. That deal was out there.

    Then you have secured a near or star talent who can become a huge trading chip if he doesn't fit your roster with Rose. Instead, we settled for No.29 Marquis Teague who could pan out into a solid player likely years from now. Such a wasted opportunity it's hard to fathom really. Oh well, there's always Kirk Hinrich who according to K.C. Brown Nose anti-journalist Johnson is "highly in demand" hardy, har.

  • Maybe I answered my own question here. Maybe its best the Bulls don't match on Asik. Then they trade deng for harrison Barnes+Biedrins expiring contract. He can be the backup center for this year and maybe would resign for cheap. If the Bulls are thinking of keeping of Asik over Noah, they're nuts or letting Gibson go because they want to keep the "scoring darling" of Carlos Boozer for 2 years, now that is beyond crazy.

  • I can understand why some people want Mayo based on his pedigree as a high drat pick and his first two years which went from solid to very good. The fact remains that in the last two years he's shot .406 and .407 on 11 and 12ppg. I could see taking a chance on him if it weren't for rumored drug issues and fights with teammates over gambling debts etc. Plus he doesn't have a slasher's mentality like we need. He prefers to settle for easy jumpers. A coach or G.M. like Riley, Phil etc. that can transform players offensively might get a good year or two ouf of him. Thibs, not so much.

    And I wanted Mayo for Asik when Memphis offered that deal. So I would have been at the short end of the stick. But at the time I would say he was worth the risk. Now I definitely would not pursue him for the Bulls.

    My mentioning of Courtney Lee as others have is we could have had him for Asik around the same time as the Mayo opportunity. He's shot in the .430's with 40% on threes for volume attepts and solid D. That's a deal I wish we WOULD have made rather then losing Asik for nothing. Of course as I've said if you can't get something good back, then overpaying for a player with limitations is not "losing him for nothing." Only if you can get a nice piece back is that notion valid IMO.

    Question: if we had made that trade, and were now attemtping a resign of Lee would he be cheaper as others bid on him(grass is greener) or as someone where we are doing the bidding? Lee's numbers are better then old has beens like Hinrich, Fisher etc. If some inside scoop says Roy is actually solid in physicals and testing with a doctor's seal of approval then maybe you take a chance with him, but I seriously doubt that would be the case.

    So again, to turn Omer Asik from being lost for nothing back in time into Omer for Lee, do you now go after Courtney Lee who aagin shoots volume threes well which is something we really need. And he becomes a nice trading chip should we come upon a more substantial deal involving core players such as Deng or Noah.

    Courtney Lee is not an "answer" at SG. But he's a solid player way better offensively then CJ, Ronnie, and Bogans who have labored at that position. Again, we need a good volume three shooter alogn side Derrick and he is that. Maybe you give Houston a return fire from their shot over our bow? Get Courtney Lee esentailly in return. End the crisis losing Omer for nothing, looking like cheap idiots( which would be true), and call it a day.

    Of course no matter what we do unless we dump a large core contract or amnesty Boozer($5 Mil a year, Jerry cheap bastard), will still be screwed in the long term staffing a quality roster including Taj.

  • Good comments guys, good to know that finally a lot of fans are starting to see that the Bulls management and owner or owners, whomever owns this cheap ass organization ain't shit. And I agree...if Joe Johnson can get traded with his outlandish contract, why in the HELL GarPax can't find no team to trade Boozers sorry ass to. Bulls management not doing their DAMN job and The Hawks new GM Danny Ferry just took over the Atlanta job. GarPax are just a couple of DUMB ASSES that need to be fired.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    LOL. Everything you said is right on point...including the part about Ferry into his what, 3rd day on the job...and traded the supposed most 'unmmovable contract in the league'.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    LOL.

    Everything you said is right on point...including the part about Ferry into his what, 3rd day on the job...and trading the supposed 'most unmmovable contract in the league'.

  • Omer IS more valuable than the MLE...at least by other teams. If you're asking if he's more valuable than the MLE to the Bulls, I would say no, but that doesn't mean we should let him walk.

    Omer Asik has value around the league. The Bulls should have known this. Also being a defensive 7 footer in a league void of not only 7 footers, but DEFENSIVE ones should have told GarPax that they better S&T him before they lose him to an offer they won't match (because Reinsdorf won't put his money where his mouth is, but I digress).

    I don't know what the rules are, if the offer is already made, if the offer can't officially be made until July 7th (or whatever the official start time is), if the Bulls have until Wednesday to match, if you can still work out a S&T, etc.

    What I DO know is what the Bulls should do:

    1) Work out a S&T (if it's still possible). DO NOT settle for Lee alone. get something extra for him, although I would Jeremy Lamb or Kevin Martin.

    2) If HOU doesn't want to play ball, match Asik's offer, and then trade him during the trade deadline next season...like DEN did with Nene. The Bulls can even give Asik more minutes, allowing him to bump up the stats to get interest around the league. But absolutely you DO NOT let him walk for nothing.

  • I would just like to reiterate...despite Jerry Reinsdorf's constant propaganda of 'spending into the luxury tax for a title team'...Reinsdorf has no plans on doing so. I fully expect Asik to be gone, and probably Taj as well next year.

    And for the record, all of this could have been avoided (Asik, Taj next year, Deng+Noah trade rumors, etc) if Reinsdorf would just Amnesty Boozer. But of course Reinsdorf doesn't want to give away millions to Boozer for absolutely nothing.

    Reinsdorf is probably so caught up with having to pay Boozer millions to go away that he missed the whole 'teams with cap space can bid on Amnestied players...thus lessening the financial burden' part.

    I knew some team would pay Asik an average of $8mil per year. And for Taj, that will be the same...but honestly, if Taj gets more than the 20min he averaged last year, his stats will be bumped up a few and Taj could get an offer sheet upwards of $10mil per....So I agree with you 100% Doug.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    Can we cut it with the "amnesty Boozer now" talk? It's not a few million dollars, it's over $47MM. I know they're profitable but that's a ridiculous amount of money to cry "cheap" about.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    1) If you don't want to spend with the big boys of the NBA (despite being ridiculously profitable in the 3rd biggest market)...then don't claim to be (or will) when people question you about it.

    2) Amnestying Boozer at $47mil would have allowed teams to bid on Boozer's services for the next 3 years. Boozer may not be great at $15mil, but at about $8mil, he's a good one.

    Are you trying to argue no team would have bid that much for Boozer? If you agree they would, then that $24mil off of $47mil, leaving the Bulls only paying $23mil. And with the stretch provision in the Amnestied contracts, that $23mil can be stretched over 7 seasons, leaving the Bulls to pay about $3.3mil a year...so yeah, it's NOT a lot of money.

  • Brewer, Korver, and Watson are all gone.

    Brewer's $5mil will be replaced by Butler's $1mil.

    Korver's $5mil will be replaced by some Vet-Min 3pt Specialist like Jason Kapono.

    Watson's $3.5mil will be replaced by Teague's $1mil.

    Since Reinsdorf won't Amnesty Boozer this year (which would allow them to keep everybody and still have about $10mil in cap space VS. if he was amnestied next year, would give he Bulls almost no cap space)...they should have traded Deng.

    At the very least, use Korver, Brewer, and Watson's UNGUARANTEED contracts as trade chips. Doug wrote the column last week about how they could have traded for Ben Gordon and a draft pick with those guys' contracts, but of course Reinsdorf isn't looking to spend more money.

    I don't know if this is even possible, but why not offer MIL and/or POR one of these guys and a future 2ndRounder for Doron Lamb or Will Barton? Would Skiles not want another defensive specialist, or POR want a 3 point specialist?

  • And I apologize for giving everybody a 4-part essay, but my Electricity has been out for a couple days since the Thunderstorms and I haven't been able to get any of this stuff off my chest.

    I knew Bulls wouldn't Amnesty Boozer, so I suggested last month the Bulls traded both Deng and Asik for pieces back, and of course Bulls 'fans' criticized me for trading away 'proven' Deng and Asik for draft picks and whatever, but it looks like everything is coming into fruition of what I and many others have believed.

    I suggested Deng...for... Calderon+9th because Calderon gives us the backup PG for Rose, while being an expiring contract (and with Rip's expiring, would give us a lot of cap space). The 9th pick would then be used to grab Waiters (who knew CLE would reach for him), Lamb, or Rivers.

    Then I suggested trading Asik...for... any of these teams' picks: DET's 9th, NOH's 10th, POR's 11th (I wanted Kurt Thomas thrown in here too), MIL's 12th, HOU's 14th or 16, and PHI's 15th....All teams who need a Center.

    But none of that matters now, the Bulls are where they are now. I personally prefer the Bulls go after Chauncey Billups...not only because Billups has his relationship with Rip, but Rose needs a basketball mentor (like Wilbon has suggested) to teach Rose how to run the team like a floor general. Rose right now is basically still using his athleticism and instincts on running the team, and that's great, but now coming off the ACL tear, he will need to start using his floor leadership more than ever.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    Could the Bulls have traded Asik a month ago any more than they can trade him now? He was not and is not under contract. Am I missing something there?

    I think the Calderon+9 pick was probably the very best offer the Bulls received for Deng. And I am doubtful Toronto offered that. If they did, why would the Bulls have turned it down? They knew that if they did nothing, this week was playing out exactly as it has.

    They said before they will match any offer for Asik. Now they seem to be ignoring that he has an offer. Makes me think they do not plan to match it. I do know this - there is no way that Houston is working with them on a sign and trade now that the Bulls are hee-hawing about the offer. Houston is confident they won this battle.

  • In reply to sfpaper:

    Maybe I'm missing something here, but despite being a FA, I was under the impression if you're a RFA, your team has exclusive rights to negotiate with a RFA (meaning there is no deadline for them to make an offer to their RFAs). I could be wrong here, and if I am, my mistake.

    But if I am mistaken, the Bulls could have still negotiated with Asik on the very first day of Free Agency and got a deal done, possibly a S&T with teams like HOU, BOS, and POR...who all had Asik on their radar. Instead, allowing teams to pitch to Asik, means risking what is happening right now, a team to overpay and forcing the Bulls' hands.

    TOR was definitely looking to trade their 9th pick for a proven SF (going after Gay and Iggy). My guess is the Bulls do what they always do and stand pat. I agree with the Asik part. I think he's gone now, but hopefully they match the offer and then trade him next year.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    The Bulls were actually the only team able to negotiate with Asik before the July 1st start of free agency. They apparently made him a four year offer last week. But for some confusing reason, under the new CBA, they were not able to offer him as much as he could get from someone else. Of course, he and his agents and the Bulls front office all knew this. The time to extend him was last year. Just like now is the time to extend Taj. Once we passed the trade deadline, it was a done deal that Omer would wait and sign an offer somewhere else because then the Bulls are able to match, and he still maximizes his contract. There was never a chance to sign and trade him elsewhere, because he would have ended up with less money.

  • The trade the Nets just pulled off for Johnson is exactly why you sign Omer. Years 1 & 2 you are paying relatively fair wage. Year 3, he is the all important 'expiring contract'.

    If you EVER intend to deal for a 2nd major star to play with Rose, that will probably be your best shot to do it. Upwards of $15 million plus whatever throw in should net you a pretty good player in a few years.

    How about an article on what players could potentially be in play when Omer becomes a $15 million expiring man??

  • In reply to Salvamini:

    BINGO!

    At the very least, you Match his offer, then trade him halfway through the season next year.

  • In reply to Salvamini:

    BINGO!!!

    At the very least, you Match his offer, then trade him halfway through the season next year like DEN did with Nene.

  • I was pissed at the draft around pick twelve because I knew this was just one more offseason of sit on ur ass Managment from the Bulls front office. They are always reactive and never proactive. You know Asik is going to get an offer of 5+ million as he could start for many teams in the league but you do nothing? Let go of the S&T ideas he is either getting resigned or walking for nothing. Why not trade him during last offseason or season if you aren't going to be able to afford him? Maybe pair him with say a expiring deal of a brewer or Korver and get a low end starting Wing player. This Bulls management group Gar and good ol' Stand (Pat) Pax will never build a true contender with their reactive, ultra conservative, defense is everything style. You have to gamble big to win big. Sometimes that means taking a step back to take a couple steps forward the next season.

    If they had any Balls they would Amnesty Boozer (won't happen because they don't want to admit failure of blowing yet another "big" FA signing) this offseason and do all they could to make a big splash via trade by waving a package of Deng and Noah plus picks for a number 1 wing option.

  • In reply to Chad:

    The Bulls lucked into Rose, and have don't nothing visionary...continuing to draft and sign 'solid', 'safe', 'choir boys'.

    They don't take risks. They are cheap. And now everything is going to come and bit them in the butts. If the Bulls don't match Asik, then they would have given up a shot of traded him for DET's 9th, NOH's 10th, POR's 11th, HOU's 12th or 16th, MIL's 14th, and PHI's 15th...All teams who need a Center.

    And if they match now, the Bulls will be looking to trade Deng or Noah, instead of Amnestying Boozer (like they should have done already).

  • In reply to Chad:

    The Bulls lucked into Rose, and have no vision...continuing to draft and sign 'solid', 'safe', 'choir boys'.

    They don't take risks. They are cheap. And now everything is going to come and bite them in the butts. If the Bulls don't match Asik, then they would have given up a shot of trading him for something.

    And if they match now, the Bulls will be looking to trade Deng or Noah, instead of Amnestying Boozer (like they should have done already).

    Bottom line is, they played it safe (like they always do), and now they're basically screwed no matter what.

    You think they learned their lesson and will be looking to give Taj a $8-9mil contract before he hits FA, or do you think they feel that is too much and let the Market determine his value and then some team bids upwards of $12mil and then they're screwed again?

  • First time poster, long time reader. Thanks Doug, keep up the GREAT work! Best Bulls blog in the world, hands down!!!

    That stated, I'm getting fed up seeing the Bulls on the sidelines AGAIN as stars are wheeled and dealed across the league. Bulls probably could have used Asik and possibly even Boozer as trade chips in the Howard-to-Lakers deal, possibly even bringing back Pau Gasol. If you're going to carry a big contract, Joe Johnson could help the Bulls a lot more than Carlos Boozer. But you know, deals like those take creativity and a belief in stars winning.

    GarPax AGAIN gets the conundrum about their precious depth: Overpay to keep it, or lose it for nothing? Damned if you do (Deng), damned if you don't (Gordon). Best to avoid the situation in the first place but they haven't learned how.

    I think blaming Reinsdorf's cheapness is fair but misplaced because I'm not convinced that money has ever stopped the Bulls from winning a championship. Lack of competent management has stopped them from winning time and again. They're trying to be the 2004 Pistons and ignoring all the star-laden teams that have won before and after.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    I totallly agree with your last paragraph. Before blaming Jerry Reinsdorf, people should blame GarPax. Indeed, even with all owner's restrictions, they can be more active when its come to deal. Reinsdorf told them not to go over the salary cap but he didn't say to stand pat every february or summer. If you they can get a star without getting in the tax zone, they should do it. Per exemple, trading for Carmelo Anthony or Dwight Howard wouldn't have made them pay the tax. They are simply bad managers, too conservative and too lazy.

  • In reply to Roman F:

    You guys don't think Reinsdorf putting the kibosh on GarPax at a certain financial amount deters the Bulls to make big and bold moves?

    Now I'm not saying GarPax are great Executives because they aren't. They have no vision, always settling for the middle-of-the-road, safe, conservative, choir boys. It feels like they're playing not to lose instead of playing to win. They're just lucky the ping pong balls dropped a certain way* (you know what the asterisk is for).

  • Rose is a good boy, gentle and kind but the way things are going on, he'll be fed up and will ask for a trade or won't re-sign at the end of his contract. It would be a total failure not being able to win a championship with a player like Rose.

  • Pretty easy questions for the Bulls to answer IMO.

    Is Omer more valuable than the MLE?

    No if you're not going to pay the tax.

    How much do you offer Taj in an extension?

    You don't, you trade his rookie contract for picks (ie future rookie contracts) if you're not going to pay the tax.

    Do you keep one of Korver, Brewer, or Watson?

    No if you're not going to pay the tax.

    Now we can go on at great length as to what the Bulls should do but it's kind of pointless. The reality appears to be the Bulls wont be paying the tax, so we may as well discuss what they can do within that framework.

  • The Bulls better start thinking outside the box.There are two players on the FA market right now that are young and they could help especially if they are guided by Thibodaeu.

    Their names are OJ Mayo and Michael Beasley.

    All those NG contracts can be used in sign and trades for these guys.

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