Draft day surprises

With 2012 NBA Draft coming near, I thought about looking at some under-rated prospects we have not talked. Below are prospects that I feel have a chance to be a huge surprise at the next level. Since we have covered a lot of late first/early 2nd, I feel it is a good chance to talk about other players that I could not get to.

By just covering these additional prospects, I feel confident in stating that this will be a deep draft since there have been other 2nd round prospects already covered that I feel confident will make key contributions. Also, I have not studied enough to know about Euro Prospects, so this is not factoring in what their contributions might be. I have heard that it is not as deep as in the past, but that there are a few sleepers there too.

Marcus Denmon (6’3, 190 lbs., SG, Missouri, Senior) – I feel very strongly that Denmon will make a NBA Roster and should be a player that sticks at the next level. While he should never be a starter at the next level, he should be a great player off the bench.

Offensively, Denmon should make his calling as a very efficient player. He's an excellent three point shooter that shot near 41 % on a very high 7 attempts a game. While playing for a very good Missouri team, he has shot above 40% from three his last three years. While not elite with his ball-handling, he has good handles, a good first step, and is aggressive, but unselfish and smart guard.

There are many under-sized guards that get drafted with his ability such as E’Twaun Moore, Eddie House, Luther Head, and Mo Williams. What I like about Denmon is that he is unselfish but aggressive, has a good vertical, and is quick like Mo Williams and Luther (much quicker naturally than Moore/House). Denmon, while not as good of a ball-handler as Williams, he is near that, and much better than Eddie House and Luther Head. He also has enough versatility to shoot off the pull-ups.

Defensively, Denmon will struggle against shooting guards (his only position) because of his height. He is very quick laterally, good basketball IQ, strong, and aggressive. He is not a liability like a Mo Williams or an Eddie House.

Overall, I think Denmon will be a good scorer off the bench at the next level because he is very quick and very consistent on his shot-making ability. I would be tempted if I were the Bulls to buy a later second round pick and use on Denmon. His game could be similar to Marcus Thornton if he carves out that specific role. Thornton is a little taller and a more natural scorer, but Denmon has a higher basketball IQ, efficient, and is quick.

Festus Ezeli (6’11, 265 lbs., C, Vanderbilt, Senior) – Ezeli should make it at the next level as a Kendrick Perkins type player. He presents great size at the center position at 6’11 and 265 lbs., is a heady player, sets hard screens, is physical, and blocks shots at a solid rate at the next level.

Offensively, Ezeli is not going to be much. He has a nice jump hook from about 6-7 feet out. His calling offensively will be setting hard screens and something he will do rather well. He did make strides on the offensive side as he was very raw entering his freshman year and somewhat new to basketball. I don’t expect him to grow too much as he does not have great footwork or a formidable looking jumper.

Defensively, Ezeli is Vanderbilt’s all-time leading shot blocker and has great timing. He did not look as explosive this year due to a knee injury, so his timing should be better next year. He can be very physical in the post and should carve out some space with his size. Ezeli will struggle sometimes defending a pick-and-roll. While a solid rebounder, at his size, he should bring even more of an impact.

The big thing for Ezeli at the next level will be finding his niche as a physical defender and that sets hard screens. If he can make his niche performing these tasks, he will be a steal in the early 2nd round. His game reminds me of a Kendrick Perkins, but if Ezeli can regain some of his athleticism, he is actually slightly more bouncy than Perkins.

Mike Scott (6’9, 245 lbs., PF, Virginia, Senior) – He's a slightly under-sized, but very skilled Power Forward. I like him better than say a JaMychal Green as he wants it more, is more heady, and more consistent. While under-sized height-wise, he has solid athleticism, is built, and heady.

To me, several 2nd round steals occur when either a player dropped due to concerns of athletic measurements, but they are heady enough to overcome them or they are raw, but hard-working players that just need to find their niche. Mike Scott fits the bill to me for the first category.

Scott is known mainly for his offensive game and could be good in situations. Scott can score in the post off of a turn-around jumper or a jump hook, but this will be less prevalent at the next level since he is only 6’9. However, I really like Scott’s game from the face-up position or as a spot-up four. He can hit a mid-range jumper and has a variety of flare-type shots with floaters, short pull-ups, etc… He's only an average athlete with slightly below average height for the power forward position. Maybe he can be like a Carl Landry type offensively.

Defensively, Scott will probably struggle, but it will not be due to lack of effort. He should be solid in guarding the post as he is strong and can get underneath his opponent. Where Scott will struggle will be the ability to take on the pick-and-roll.
To me, Scott’s offensive awareness should garner him some 2nd round attention. I feel he is smart enough to carve out a role at the next level. Since he is not limited to just a post-up game, I feel he can adjust once he is on a team that gives him a defined role.

Jae Crowder (6’5, 240 lbs, SF, Marquette, Senior) – Crowder is an intriguing player to keep tabs on. He is an all-hustle player that will be playing out of position for him. Crowder really bursted onto the scene this season with Marquette by improving upon his perimeter shot and developing his post game. While he will not be posting as many players in the NBA, he has the smarts to take on NBA Small Forwards; especially since he is a good passer and has a few moves with a chiseled frame. The big key for Crowder receiving lots of minutes at the next level will be if he can continue to develop a NBA Three Point Shot?

Defensively, while not as fleet of foot as other small forwards and slightly under-sized height wise, he should still be a pesky defender to get underneath opponent’s skin. He will be able to body up opponents, has strong hands, is a fighter, and has smarts. He knows how to angle his opponent to shooting tough shots. Just for fun, while giving up three inches to Lebron in the post, I don’t know if I can see Lebron moving Crowder out easily and being forced to shoot tougher shots than he is used too.

To me, many hustle players make it in the NBA if they can be good at one spot. Crowder should make it at the next level alone on being a tough defender that is smart for the small forward position. I like him better than say a fellow alum, Lazar Hayward, because he is known as a defender and much headier overall. If Crowder can develop a 3 point-shot, he could be a good starting small forward at the next level. If not, he will be an energy guy off the bench. In his prime, he could be a sane version of Ron Artest.

Kim English (6’5, 195 lbs., SG, Missouri, Senior) - I don’t think English will ever be a big steal (in terms of draft steal) and starter type. However, with his prolific shooting and solid athleticism at his height, I do think he can be a good shooter off the bench. English shot 46% from three this year on 5 attempts a game and has always been a good shooter.

Defensively, he will struggle the next level as he does not always play tough and can be knocked off the pick pretty easily. While he has solid athleticism and solid height, he will need to toughen up on picks and angle his defenders better this year. At times this year, he guarded Power Forwards and learned to toughen a little bit.

Overall, English presents an opportunity to make the league, but he must learn to shoot off the curl quickly and effectively. If he can do so, he can carve out a nice roll off the bench.

Scott Machado (6’2, 205 lbs., PG, Iona, Senior) - I don’t know if I am as high on Machado as others, but I do believe he can contribute at the next level due to his understanding of the game and court vision. He is not a creator in the sense that he can just set up his own shot regularly, but he is an opportunist and developed three point range this year.

Defensively, he is not atrocious, but he is about average if that. He is not the fleetest of foot, but he does do okay in angling his opponents. He could use his body to size up his opponent at the next level if needed.

I think Machado can be a player such as an Eric Maynor or Chris Duhon with a better shot if he maxes out his potential.

Darius Johnson-Odom (6’2, 215 lbs., Combo Guard, Marquette, Senior) - What I do like about Johnson-Odom is that he is aggressive, tough, and physical. While undersized, he will cause opposing guards problems as he will be right in on them.
Offensively, Johnson-Odom is a solid shooter when his feet are set, but he's not as natural of a perimeter shooter as Denmon, another undersized shooter that should be drafted in the 2nd round. Johnson-Odom is much more aggressive in getting to the rack, but will need to learn some floaters and such as he will not always be able to finish with a lay-up. He is very crafty with the ball and has a quick first step.

Defensively, Johnson-Odom should cause some problems for opposing guards. Point guards will struggle against him because he is quick laterally, aggressive, and very physical. He is tough enough to fight through screens and physical and fast enough to push the point guard off from the point of attack. While he might struggle with some shooting guards, he is tough enough to push some off the point-of-attack or their shooting spot. There are not as many posting shooting guards now-a-days, and those that can, he will be able to push them off the block.

What concerns I have with Johnson-Odom is that he is undersized at the guard position and does not possess point guard skills. He does not see the floor real well as he is a scorer. Outside of the immediate paint, he struggles to shoot off the dribble. Defensively, he presents a mismatch because he is undersized to be guarding shooting guards. Since he is not really a point guard, he will be mainly paired up against shooting guards.

Best case scenario is a LeAndro Barbosa type without quite the scoring ability due to Barbosa’s speed. Worst case scenario is pretty much being out of the league.

Surprises I am not high on

Miles Plumlee (7’0, 250 lbs, C, Duke, Senior)
To me Miles is very athletic, but I feel he is too soft and too mechanical for my liking. Plumlee does not have any NBA style moves offensively and is not a good enough shooter to overcome this. Defensively, while heady, he is still not strong enough for me to stand his ground.

If Plumlee does make it at the league, it will be because he is smart and can hustle. Can he provide more because he is not really anything, but average at best at anything. As a Center with his athletic ability he nearly averaged 1 block a game which is a concern. The best outlook I have for him with his ability to draw charges is Nick Collison. Can he do much else or be tough enough?

Kyle O’ Quinn (6’10, 245 lbs., C., Norfolk State, Senior)
To me I struggle with seeing O’Quinn providing much at the NBA level because he is not very athletic and is slightly undersized at 6’10 for the Center position, his only position. He has a chance only because of his long wing-span and solid understanding of the game.

Offensively, O’Quinn is used to getting his shots against powering down opponents and shooting a jump hook. Occasionally, he will shoot a baseline jumper, but is not consistent enough for my liking. Defensively, O’Quinn, is able to use his timing and wing-span to block shots. He is not fast enough laterally to be an asset in the pick-and-roll. He is physical enough at times to play the post.

Overall, I don’t care for his game translating because I don’t feel he is fluid enough to really solidify any set role. He is too mechanical offensively and was able to bully his opponents in a weaker conference. He struggled for the most part when playing stronger competition. If he maxes out his potential, I can see a player at his best in maybe a Kurt Thomas from the past few years. I just don’t know if he is heady enough yet to pull that off.

JaMychal Green (6’9, 220 lbs., PF, Alabama, Senior)
Green is an unique product in that he has talent, but he is very inconsistent, not always the best motor, and has had some off-the-court issues. Green offensively, has a solid mid-range jumper as a 6’9 PF, but is not very consistent with it. He is pretty athletic so he can do a nice job setting a pick and slicing to the basket for a feed. He showed a nice turn-around jumper in the post, but I don’t know if I see him getting post position at the next level at his size and height and finishing that very well.

Defensively, Green provides a very nice wing-span and decent athleticism and timing. He swatted a solid 1.5 blocks a game. He is quick enough to guard the pick-and-roll at times, but does he have the understanding on where to guide his opponent? Also, he is pretty thin, and I feel he will be pushed around pretty easily in the post. While he averaged 7.5 rebounds a game, he was very inconsistent in doing so.

Overall, I think Green has talent, but is not disciplined enough to make an impact at the next level.

William Buford (6’5, 215 lbs., SG, Ohio State, Senior)
I feel Buford hurt his stock as much as anyone else in the drafts, sans fellow Ohio State teammate, Jared Sullinger. Buford could have been late first/early second last year. Buford possesses some nice traits offensively, but he is very inconsistent in producing them. When on a roll, he can shoot from mid-range and three-point range very well. Buford is very good at finding spaces ala a Rip Hamilton, but he is not quite that seasoned and consistent enough to set those picks for. If his shot is not on, he is not tough enough, have enough vertical, or strong enough with the handles to finish in the paint.

Defensively, while he possesses solid size and is solid athleticism, he gets beat way to easily. Opposing guards easily can lose him as he loses sight of his man. Also, he is easy to set picks on. Last, he gets blown by very easily. He presents nice tools here and has the skills to be at least adequate, but really was covered up by the system last year.

Overall, Buford could be a poor man’s Rip Hamilton if he maxes out potential, but I don’t know if he has that desire to be that. He is too inconsistent for my liking.

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  • Something's Cooking? Bulls Go Silent Nearing Eve of Draft

    But first: Marcus Denmon? Hmmm, now where have I heard that name before..? Of course I'm joking. Kevin if you see this hopefully you laugh/think that's funny as I am only glad somebody of your expertise likes a sleeper player as much as I do. While he's fallen off of draft boards of mock sites, I am unwavering in my view of him as an NBA contributor and terrific grab really anywhere in the second after a Lamb, Barton etc. should they fall.

    While I have stated for some time I really liked Denmon, it's immature pretend G.M.s who will try to "lay claim" to a pick or an idea as if they have it copyrighted as somebody recently did with Moe Harkless. People have been talking about Moe for months. His stock has been rising steadily especially recently on draft boards. As has Andrew Nicholson's who I expounded on for quite a while. That doesn't mean other people didn't feel the same way or didn't like him. Still another reason is people have Lives, and some just don't dial in(as in read about these prospects, watch highlights etc.) until draft time is upon us.

    OK, that said, K.C. Johnson reports on today's Chicago Tribune Bulls page that Gar Forman has gone into stealth mode and pulled a page out of Jerry Krause's clandestine playbook, "scuttling" the annual pre Draft press conference and changing any workouts or visits from public knowledge to private as in undisclosed.

    Could something be cooking with Gar/Pax? Terrence Ross(slated as high as No. 7 down to No. 12) recently stated he spoke with the Bulls in an interview which you can see on YouTube. It's being noted on different draft and sports sites.

    Bottom Line: whether you are a proponent of the draft or not, the timing of a restrictive new CBA which makes low cost contracts imperative coupled with an unusually deep bottled up talent pool in the 2012 Draft is a reality. If you think the Bulls can find offensive talent they need through trades with larger salaries or Free Agency then so be it. Personally, I don't feel confident Chicago will attract top free agents. The one guy who seemed seriously interested in the last go round was a declining, seriously flawed player in Carlos Boozer.

    As a Bulls fan, If you still have confidence in the Free Agent market fine. If not, then really, to keep the talent we have and actually build upon it, you must have lower salaries. It's just that simple. I know myself and others have scoffed at a Deng trade for a lottery pcik. However I will say, Luol's injury may very well not need surgey and heel on it's own as Kobe's did. Nobody has stated anything but that Lu's wrist injury is a commonplace one that is completely recoverable. His veteran and quality presence on a young team could very well be desired provided we take back some salary. We're not just going to dump his entire contract on somebody.

    Golden State while over the salary cap is well below($14 Mil or more) the Luxury Tax of what $70 plus Million? They also have a lot of young, inexpensive players. If we traded Deng for No. 7 taking back Biedrin's contract we'd still be $4 million ahead and $5 Mil next year. Pair that with a Hamilton trade, Korver, C.J., and Ronnie jettisoned and you have cut a significant amount of salary. Even if taking back $9 Mil is not feasible, I'm not convinced that a deal involving Deng(or some have even conjectured Noah) could not be out there. We certainly can't afford two marquee defensive centers as Asik's bid to be matched could be substantial. This is a pivotal moment for the Bulls as far as I'm concerned. I'd keep Noah myself except you have to admit his injury proneness has been impacting for some time and mutiple playoffs.

    If the Bulls do nothing, keep Hamilton and dump the other guards and go with No. 29 waiting for 2014 as some have suggested, then I think they have missed a huge opportunity. Yes the draft is a risk, but with salary cap erosion looming, losing Taj, Omer for nothing or little? Or being largely hamstrung with a gutted team really and no room to reload. Gar/Pax have to do something. Whether it's a lottery pick or perhaps two early to mid teens, they have to find a way to cut salary and land a scorer. Sure it's a risk, but the alternatives are far worse IMO.

  • Note: as I reiterated yesterday my top choice, other then possibly Damian Lillard at No. 7(not a "Need" but an "actual" scoring talent of which we Need one period and subsequent very valuable trading piece if he proves to be that), otherwisewe I'm set on Moe Harkless and Arnett Moultrie. Mirotic 2015 or 16 is a non-factor as far as I'm concerned. Boozer eventually will be gone, and Taj if he stays will be our only true PF.

    Moe Harkless many thought would come out next year where he'd likely be coming into his own as potentially a Top 5 pick after his promising and prolific showing this year in the Big East. Inexplicably he came out this year instead. Similar to a lot of freshman who you covet but know the following year will be unattainable(Blake Griffin for example) except in this Harkless is ripe for the picking. This is the guy. Read NBADraft.Net, DraftExpress other NBA scouting and publication sites. Check his interviews. He's a solid solid guy by all appearances and a comptetitor. And humble. All he needs is a Bulls uniform to have his name sticthed across. Of course his selection would mean a Deng trade. I have seen nothing from his college career to ensure me that Jimmy Butler will be an offensive scorer/starter in the NBA though he may have some surprising offensive upside but Moe Harkless is a bona fide offensive talent with great size, athleticism and skill. His shooting form is solid, and like many young scorers his innitial free throw numbers at 67% will rise. Watch him shoot mid range etc. the shooting talent is there in my opinion bolstered by a very, very good handle for a SF.with a qick first step. Inside access will only make his jumper flourish. He's the one.

    Arnett Moultrie is the other guy. Again, read about him, watch him he's a keeper. Skilled, super athletic with exceptional quickiness skilled post game, face up, good motor and wide shoulders etc. body type that can add weight. And he can shoot. He's a solid guy who noted his teammates at Mississippi State talked a big game, but did not show it in practice etc. He's got character IMO.

    Honorable mention Terrence Ross. Check him out. Not as impressed with his presence but as a player he's got NBA scorer written all over him.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Yes on Terrence Ross, please.

  • Johnson-Odom would be a good fill-in for Rose.

  • I like Darius Johnson-Odom also, and have said so repeatedly. IN the second round after anybody like a Doron Lamb or Will Barton if we got a second round pick I'd reccomend D.J.O almost just as highly as Denmon if not more so honestly. Anybody such as a Miami(Mario Chalmers) who picks up a D.J.O(or Denmon) will be getting the steals of the second round after the Name guys I mentioned above.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Personally, I like Johnson-Odom better than I do Doron Lamb. I feel Johnson-Odom is much more aggressive and tougher. I just don't see him being anything but an undersized 2G though.

  • Also, I have said so before, and agree with Kevin that Jae Crowder is another guy I think could be a contributor on the next level(though it's a question mark), but he definitely has potential.

  • I really hate to berate the size issue, but Ezeli has "great size" for a center @ 6"9.75, but O'quinn is "slightly undersized" for a center @6"8.5". Both #'s in shoes at the Chicago predraft combine.

    Truth in advertising would say that Ezeli is slightly undersized for a center, and O'quinn is adequate to slightly undersized for a power forward.

    A lot of talent evaluators believe that standing reach is a more relevant measurement. Ezile came in at 8'10" while O'Quinn came in at 9'3.5 tying John Hensen as the longest player in the draft.

    Length was the reason that I zeroed in on Taj Gibson before his draft, and is likely the reason that he can hold his own at power forward despite being undersized at 6'7.75.

    I have greatly enjoyed and appreciated your work on the draft profiles, but is 1.25 inches really the difference between "great size" and "slightly undersized" you can make that up just by wearing a different style of shoes, or a heel insert, which is why relying on measurements in shoes is disingenuous at best, if not outright fraud.

    This entire draft is somewhat midget sized at nearly every position, starting with the #1 pick at only 6'9.25", nice size for a power forward, but certainly not an NBA center especially when combined with being rail thin. there isn't an actual legitimate 7 footer, with Leonard coming the closest at 6'11.75.

    Maybe "they" have been lying to us for the past 50-60 years, but it sure seems as if NBA players are shrinking, maybe it is just a case of athleticism over pure size, who knows.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I don't like O'Quinn because he bullies his opponents and is a below the rim player. Again, players have always been measured in shoes (Michael Jordan is 6'6 in shoes), and Ezeli is 6'11 in shoes. O'Quinn is 6'10 and is slow for a Power Forward. He has some skill, but this is just my opinion.

  • Good news, I hope

    "Aggrey Sam: Memphis shooting guard Will Barton scheduled for solo workout with the Bulls (29th pick) at Berto tomorrow AM, according to source. Twitter"

    I think this is the second time that they have had him in, although, the Bulls usually like to be sneaky about who they are going to pick, so maybe it is not good news, for those of us who have Barton as our #1 choice for the pick @29.

    FYI the Pistons have just traded the midget bum(Ben Gordon) and a future protected #1 to the Jordan's for Corey Maggette, trading $25.5 million over 2 years for $11 million for 1 year. I thought that Rich Cho might make Michael look smarter, but I guess his ego is just too big.

    this now makes 2 out of the 3 members of our so called core from the pre Rose team that have required a " bribe" of a first round pick just to get rid of them. The only one left is Deng, the guy who always seemed to have the most value, but one that we can't seem to get any real value back for.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Gordon is a good trade for the Bobcats since they get a pick too. The Bobcats need to win a few more games in their time.

    I do like Barton in terms of potential though. Deng could get us value back but we would have to take on a little salary - if we could get him for # 5 and Garcia, I would do it, but I doubt the Bulls do - they ask for the moon, but who knows.

  • All quiet on the Western Front. I'm assuming Bulls fans are wait and see meaning they think Gar/Pax will be unable to make a deal with Deng etc., and will sit at 29.

    Hoopsworld, Yahoo sports etc. are reporting G.M.s and assistants are saying the value in this draft isn't the first few picks of the lottery with sure fire stars, but in the teens is the place to be. Names mentioned: Moe Harkless and Terrence Ross among others.

    Houston has coralled a thjrd first round pick from Minnesota(No. 18 for Chase Budinger) in an apparent attempt at a package for Dwight Howard. Many teams are said to be interested in trading down from the upper lottery for picks in the teens. Could this open the door for the Bulls? They will certainly have to take some salary back in any deal IMO, but that doesn't mean they can't dump much more then they get back i.e end up $4 to 5 Million dollars ahead. Maybe trade Hamilton clear another $5 Mil, and snag another pick(or two as in seconds). Or do nothing. Hmm, what would a notoriously conservative Bulls team do??

    As much as I like Lillard, I'd be the most psyched if we got two picks in the teens and snagged Harkless(or Ross) and Moultrie . Again, with all the silence on here maybe people think the Bulls can't make a deal for Deng, and will sit at 29. If so letting all that cheap and legitimate offensive talent that is out there going by the boards(sigh) oh well..Of course the only consolation would be getting a couple of second rounders and picking up D.J.O and Marcus Denmon or D. Lamb should he still be there.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    I feel we need to at least trade up some to get something in either lottery or close to it.

  • In reply to kevinstates:

    Agree. You get to No.10 you're sure to still get a rising Moe Harkless. Or my good friend Mr. Arnett Moultrie(kidding). We trade up and get either of these two and I am psyched, but more so with Moe. Plus that name lends itself to so many good nicknames and catch phrases "Moe Money, Moe Money, Moe Money(In Living Color) etc.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Forgot to mention that if Budinger can get you # 18, I feel Taj could get you late lottery at his contract. Something like pick 9, 10, or 13?

  • In reply to kevinstates:

    Right. Losing Taj would hurt. He was absolutely my pick at No. 26(ask my wife who endured my draft night blathering). I watched him many many times at USC. Great player, great person from a tough background. Would I exchange him for Moe Harkless or Arnett Moultrie? I have to say yes. We Need scorers/offensive talent. Period. And we need them at a relatively cheap price the next three to four years. I'd rather keep Taj and trade Omer, but not going to happen as Omer is a restricted QO guy someone will bid on to steal rather then sign and trade for. I don't even know if you can do that with restricteds/qualifying offer guys?

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    I personally would not trade Taj for Moultrie or Harkless. I would trade him for more ready or potential type players that will make an impact offensively - Jeremy Lamb, Meyers Leonard, Ross, Austin Rivers. I do think if you trade Taj, it is the time to do so with his contract going up next year and booming after that. Harkless could be good, but I think it will take a few years. Moultrie is Taj-like, but has a questionable motor.

  • In reply to kevinstates:

    And that's the kind of trade teams are looking for with the new CBA hard cap, cheap labor and a good player veteran to boot. Taj is a gamer especially in this year's and last year's playoffs. But I'll take Moe harkless who would be a Top 5 lotto pick had he stayed in for one more year which honestly he should have for his own financial/future good.

  • If they stayed at No. 29 and picked Will Barton talent wise they could do a lot worse. My issue with him is upstairs. Defensively he tends to lose track of his man, and lets his mind wander at times. I watched him many times including the time he chewed out his coach. He just seems to carry himself as kind of a yappity yap simpleton at times. His combine times were terrible but only positive numbers really mean anything there really(bad day etc.)

    Will does compete, and seems like a decent guy in interviews etc. not affected or immature so he may be alright. Talent wise he's one of the better offensive potential guys in the draft IMO.

  • I'm sorry for all the posts but this situation is unique and a crossroads for the future of this team IMO.

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