Should the Bulls return, retool, or rebuild in 2012-13?

Going into the next season, the Bulls have three fundamental choices. They can try to return much of the same roster. They can try to trade some of their significant salary pieces in an attempt to clear salary and/or obtain draft picks, or they can look to replace the minor pieces of the team.

First, it's worth noting that the front office likely doesn't think they can win next year. Of course no one is standing about shouting "we won't win the title next year", but when they phrase the Rose press release that admits they know Rose won't be himself next season even when he comes back, the not winning a title is pretty strongly implied.

The case for return

Had Chicago been able to stay healthy this past playoffs, they would have had an excellent shot at winning the whole thing. As such, the return option certainly has some merit. The problem with the return option is that even if you felt you could get away with it for a season without going too far into the luxury tax, it becomes really cost prohibitive going into 2013-14 season when both Omer and Gibson are on new deals and the bench mob is up for extensions as well.

If you expect that Rose won't have enough in the tank at the end of this season to give the team a serious chance to win the title then there's little point in trying to bring the band back together in one season that's doomed to a mid-round playoff defeat anyway. If the Bulls did bring everyone back they'll be sitting 12 million into the luxury tax (assuming a 5 million year 1 match on Asik) with their existing players, John Lucas coming back at the minimum, and their draft pick at #29 signing.

Player 2012/2013
Carlos Boozer $15,000,000
Luol Deng $13,365,000
Joakim Noah $11,300,000
Derrick Rose $15,506,632
Richard Hamilton $5,000,000
Kyle Korver $5,000,000
Ronnie Brewer $4,370,000
C.J. Watson $3,200,000
Omer Asik $5,000,000
Taj Gibson $2,155,811
Jimmy Butler $1,066,920
John Lucas III $854,389
Rookie $1,025,267
Total salaries: $82,844,019

While it'd be nice to bring back that team, it doesn't seem overly likely that the Bulls are going to throw so much money into a team that lacks its superstar for most of the season, won't draw huge crowds and has little chance to win the title.

The case for retooling

I define retooling as keeping the basic core players in tact while trying to get the salary level down to a reasonable amount and attempting to simply tread water next season in an attempt to make a run for the title with the same basic core in 2013/14. The Bulls have a couple of retooling options depending on whether you feel Boozer is part of the core that comes back in 2013/14 and is necessary.

Retooling option #1 with Boozer should avoid the tax, but note this team is likely just below the threshold, and has John Lucas III as its starting point guard with the backup PG being either our draft pick or someone else at the vet minimum. Whether this plan is successful or not will depend largely on how good of a PG the Bulls can get to come here at the vet minimum. My guess? Not that good. Not next year. Not when they don't have a great chance to win the title.

Player 2012/2013
Carlos Boozer $15,000,000
Luol Deng $13,365,000
Joakim Noah $11,300,000
Derrick Rose $15,506,632
Richard Hamilton $5,000,000
Omer Asik $5,000,000
Taj Gibson $2,155,811
Jimmy Butler $1,066,920
Rookie $1,025,267
John Lucas III $854,389
Vet Min $854,389
Vet Min $854,389
Total salaries: $70,274,019

If the Bulls choose to amnesty Boozer this season and put together a team without him as part of the core, then I think the team would look something more like this:

Player 2012/2013
Luol Deng $13,365,000
Joakim Noah $11,300,000
Derrick Rose $15,506,632
Richard Hamilton $5,000,000
Kyle Korver $5,000,000
Omer Asik $5,000,000
Ronnie Brewer $4,370,000
C.J. Watson $3,200,000
Sub-MLE PG $3,000,000
Taj Gibson $2,155,811
Jimmy Butler $1,066,920
Rookie $1,025,267
Total salaries: $69,989,630

The Bulls also may choose to let go one of Korver or Brewer depending on whom they draft and use the BAE to bring in a fourth big man or another veteran minimum player. The Bulls would also be spending an additional eight million on Boozer's salary (or whatever is left over after the waiver claim). When the salary gets up to the MMLE for a veteran PG, the players likely get more appealing than when the Bulls are chasing the vet minimum. [Note Chicago could use more than the MMLE, I just speculate they'll pick a number that keeps them under the tax]

The case for rebuilding

The case for rebuilding has no specific salary structure, but the idea is centered around the fact that the existing core was not good enough to win and coming back with these basic players in 2013/14 will not be good enough to win then either.

Whom you feel is part of the core is also up for debate. Is Carlos Boozer part of that group? Luol Deng? Joakim Noah? Which of those players do you want to jettison? The rebuilding plan would likely look something like this in my mind.

Chicago trades Luol Deng for expiring deals (or perhaps a partial trade exception) and a draft pick. I would suspect after last season and with only two years left on his deal that the Bulls could pull this off. They could probably get into the middle first round or late lottery by making such a move.

Perhaps Chicago tries something similar with Joakim Noah or perhaps not. They then look to keep Asik and Gibson around on cheaper contracts (5 million dollar range) and hope that the additional picks blossom into high quality players and one of them turns into a true secondary star.

In the end, the Bulls likely need a legitimate second star, and when you look at the landscape of who is available now and who might become available the options look fairly grim. Dwight Howard is the one superstar which is somewhat available now, but he didn't want to come here before and a Rose ACL tear isn't likely to improve his opinion of the Chicago option any.

There presently doesn't seem like a lot of other options on the table available. There aren't really a bunch of superstars looking to move teams, and most of the younger guys will be locked up in restricted free agency for quite some time. The Bulls could hope to pull off a trade for Eric Gordon, but that seems like a stretch to me as we don't have much that would likely interest a rebuilding New Orleans Hornets team.

The rebuild plan gets the Bulls into the draft which might yield some chance of drafting a star, but the Bulls are unlikely to land picks in the range where a star is a decent probability and left hoping to strike gold in the 8-15 range.

The Bulls would also gain cap room and likely a poor enough record to get a quality pick next year, but next year's draft isn't hyped up to be all that special, and there aren't a bunch of quality FA options next year either making neither of these choices particularly appealing.

In the end, this plan likely leaves the team scrambling simply to get back to where they were rather than improving the team unless they get exceptionally lucky in the draft.

Final thoughts

Overall, I suspect Chicago will go with the retool plan. I doubt they're paying serious luxury tax simply to return a bunch of guys who will likely go away next season anyway. They'll look to rebuild the roster while staying under the luxury tax and putting together a team that might get lucky after the all-star break if Rose is able to return.

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  • As much as I like him, I think Brewer is gone because Butler can or should be able to do everything Brewer can do at 1/4 the cap hit. I think if you amnesty Boozer you can get away with signing a cheap journeyman PF with the idea that you can work out a way for Mirotic to come over next year. If you trade Deng, you absolutely have to get a dynamic wing player, either a young guy with potential or a solid vet. I think Deng could be traded, but it sets the bulls back several years when you think about a young SF having to matchup with LBJ or Durant.

    I think they keep Watson and sign a veteran backup. Hinrich makes the most sense and might come back for a hometown discount. He'd also be a great backup for Rose when Rose comes back if Watson signs for more money elsewhere.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Its not like Deng ever came close to matching up with LBJ or Durant. Both went nuts on the Bulls with Deng playing this year and last especially LeBron who seems to have Lous number for some reason. That said I agree there would be a drop off I just wouldn't highlight the two guys that light him up regularly.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    You can't trade Deng this offseason. His value will be halved because of his injury. You have to wait until he gets back, plays some games, and show he's back to normal, then you can deal him at the trade deadline if need be.

  • In my opinion you have to make a move. The Bulls need to get younger, faster, more athletic. If you hold on too long to assets like a car, it greatly depreciates value. There are alot of desperate teams that just want to make the playoffs, take for instance the Golden state warriors owner and how he was humiliated by booing fans when christ mullens jersey was retired. He wants to win now and he would pay a premium for Luol Deng. Likewise teams like the Hornets would give up lottery pick for Noah. Boozer is the great burden and if they continue with their idea of holding on to him for another two years......they are going to waste more derrick rose prime years. They can try with the same core one more time but assets will be less valuable next year in a weaker draft. Give me Austin Rivers paired with Rose i

  • In reply to Defense-Rebound13:

    If we could parley Deng into Rivers I would be thrilled, although the Bulls would face the all too familiar too small backcourt issues.

    at this point, nobody can predict where Rivers will be drafted, so you have to make a conditional trade with someone in the low teens in the draft.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Rivers at 6'4" isn't too bad, like dwayne wade. I like him because he attacks the rim and has a good outside shot which should get better. They are talking about this Dion Waiters 6'4" shooting guard who is an explosive scorer. Not sure if the Bulls can have him within range tangling that 29th pick with Korver, Brewer, Cash and whatever else they can package to move up. The Bulls need a guard but I have strong feeling they will go for a big. They just love those bigs.

  • In reply to Defense-Rebound13:

    you are right they will just panic when their old high salary player will get injured or fading away. there so much potential in the rookie and young veterans list

  • As long as the core is Noah Deng and boozer, this team ain't winning a eastern conference or NBA championship. So while rose won't be himself until 2013 or 2014, you either start the re-building process now or have to do it later.

  • I agree I don't see how you could possibly stand pat next year knowing that your not going to be competitive and also that two of your starters are likely to be in serious decline the following season (2013-14) due to age (Hamilton and Boozer). If you are going to try and grow with Rose I think Loul is the one to move. I wouldn't trade Noah unless you are getting a star big man back in the package. I see Noah lasting longer and being much more difficult to replace than Deng. Although I wouldn't just through Deng away on a mid round pick that seems foolish unless you are eyeing the cap space to make a move or target FAs in 2013-14.

  • 1) Boozer ...for... Frye+Warrick+Dudley

    2) Asik+Warrick+Brewer+Watson+CHI 1st+CHA 1st ...for... Monta+Gooden+Sanders

    Lineup to start season:
    C. Noah (Frye)
    PF. Taj (Gooden, Sanders)
    SF. Dudley
    SG. Rip (Butler)
    PG. Monta (JL3)

    Lineup to start playoffs:
    C. Noah (Frye)
    PF. Taj (Gooden)
    SF. Luol (Dudley)
    SG. Monta (Rip)
    PG. Rose (JL3)

    Bulls would be a title contender next year.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    I like the restocking with offensive capable players which is our core problem. My only question is for a championship don't you need a second star who is an efficient scorer? Ellis can't shoot threes, and shot .433 the last two years from the field. That's not to say I don't like an idea such as the one you proposed. I'll admit I'd give the Bulls a lot of credit for trying, and woud be excited about a major move for offensive capable players such as that. At least you'd know they were trying. But I doubt they'd ever make a move or be able to pull off one as dynamic as that..?

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Obviously the ideal candidate would be a 6'4+ 2-way SG who is an efficient scorer, wouldn't mind being the Robin, and would come at a decent price, but I don't see a ton of those on the horizon.

    I personally think Joe Johnson fits that criteria, but I don't see ATL taking Boozer for him (and the Bulls aren't adding any contracts unless they shed some).

    Kevin Martin is another good fit, but Daryl Morey tends to overvalue his guys. He wanted Asik for Courtney Lee, I don't see how he would agree to Asik for Kevin Martin. And if for some reason we got Kmart for Asik, Kmart will be on an expiring deal, and will be looking for money after his contract expires.

    I get Monta is more of a volume scorer, but I think the Bulls NEED a 2nd shot creator.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    Unless they are holding on to him for his amnesty rights, the ATL would jump off the sears tower to trade Johnson for boozer, it would save them between $50-100 million dollars, which is exactly why the bulls would never consider such a deal.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    You guys are all way too hung up on advanced stats, the Bulls need a second major scorer, efficiency would be a bonus but not a necessity. Is Melo and efficient scorer, no, but he image that he would make a better partner for Rose than Deng is currently.

    Actually what they really need is a primary scorer, so that Rose can focus on running the offense and being the secondary scorer.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    and Phoenix does that deal, why? it saves them a buck or 2 in year one and costs them 5-6 million in years 2 and 3 when they are stuck with boozers non amnesty eligible salary.

    While I have always been in favor of picking up Monta Ellis, despite the fact that he is a flawed player, I am not sure that Ellis adds more to the offense than Asik adds to our defense and rebounding.

    I would still do Deng for Ellis(maybe), because Ellis is more of a natural born scorer than Deng will ever be.

    My goal for this past offseason, was to end up with Ellis and Iggy as our starting wings, while getting rid of Deng and boozer.

  • It's sad that phase one of the Derrick Rose era is over....I'm still interested to see what they do though.

  • To rebuild or not to rebuild, that is the question. Would this team as currently constructed have beaten Miami, and made it to the NBA Finals?

    Two points: 1) Derrick Rose, the superstar of this team, struggled mightily in last year's playofs. Of the last five teams to win an NBA Championship, all five had a leading scorer mostly over 23ppg who shot .460 from the field or higher often near or above .500 or 50%. The Celtics had the lowest scorer at 20ppg shooting .495 in Garnett(aka punk ass - had to, sorry).

    Derrick in his first two short but sweet playoff runs of seven and five games averaged 20 and 27ppg on .492 and .456 shooting. So what happened last year against Indy, the Hawks, and Miami? Hyper extended double teams happened as people realized there was no second driver or scorer to make you pay. And the Bulls with Thibs had piled up the best record to be taken as thee team to beat, so teams went all out to devise a way to stop them which they have.

    So really, until you get that guy, you are SOL in regards to even sniffing a championship IMO. Would Derrick have magically overcome this obstacle at 6'2 as a Kobe or LeBron raising his field goal percentage back up to efficiently devestating levels? Even those guys couldn't do it without a second star. Plus another thing to consider is, this team is seriously injury prone. Jo, Lu as two core pieces have never been able to stay healthy.

    So if you buy that these Bulls with 14ppg 42% shooting oft injured old Ripster had not found their answer, then no, they would not have beaten Miami. And certainly not without Jo and Lu a one handed SF. Even if Miami was pathetic enough to lose to an injured, one star team with an ineffective, inefficent scorer as Derrick has been, then they would not be so lucky against OKC. Both their stars are shooting obscene field goal percentages associated with championship squads.

    Point 2) If you buy this, that the Bulls realistically could not have and should not have, historically speaking, won playoff basketball without that second star or scorer, and due to a flawed core that has been chronically injured for too long now, then what do you do to change? Do you go Derrickless and Luless most of next year, and then amnesty Boozer next summer hoping you can cut enough salary to land that second star FA this time one who's an all around player, and scores more then 15ppg? Plus have a fairly high mid level or lower lottery pick.

    Or, do you realize that this core has had their chances, and is just too snakebitten with injuries and a lack of offense to keep them together any longer? IMO common sense says you have to make some changes. Can you really trade a core piece for a more dynamic scorer? Jokaim for Eric Gordon? Many have said even if they could make that deal they would not. So who is out there? Mayo, Monta Ellis, Courtney Lee aka the usual suspects bandied about in trade scenarios for who Omer, Taj? Those guys are NOT your second star or efficient prolific scorer.

    Then what about where teams usually find their talent(disregarding fantasy trade land aka the L.A. Lakers) - the draft? This draft is not the James, Anthony, Wade, Bosh draft packed with stars, but deep in talent. Usually, you don't see top seven lottery picks traded. After Davis, the only lock for me in the top seven I'd gamble a core piece for is Jeremy Lamb. Otherwise, you might as well trade up to the upper 20's or lower teens possibly for an Omer or Taj likely is what it comes down to. Making sure you keep your pick at 29. Then from the mid or late teens to early 20's I'd go for one of three guys: Arnett Moultrie, Andrew Nicholson, or Doron Lamb. Even if you're guy is someone else, that impact player most scouts wold tell you in this deep draft, is out there.

    Then you hope you have found close to or better then a James Harden type of talent. Somewhere in this deep draft mid to late teens down to 22 or 23, that guy is out there. Can you find them? If not, cancel the trade ups, and wait until next summer(next year).

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Remember, Harden was selected 3rd overall, and after Tyreke won Rookie of the Year, people were killing Presti for not picking Tyreke, Rubio, or Curry. It turned out Presti was right.

    If the Bulls found a Harden type in the draft with a late pick, I think they would be luckier than when they won the lottery with the 1.9% (or whatever it was) and got Rose.

    I guess the Bulls COULD have gotten a shot creator with a late pick last year when they should have moved up to get Marshon Brooks, but I'm pretty sure the Bulls took the conservative approach and selected a 'good boy' and not a 'potential guy'.

    Other than the draft, unless the Bulls give up Noah, they aren't getting Gordon (I personally wouldn't). I suggested Kmart for Asik in my above comment, but I don't see Morey doing that (seeing how he wanted Asik for Courtney Lee). Even OJ Mayo should get at least the $5mil MLE, something the Bulls don't have.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    I think James Harden or better is hell of a lot to ask at No. 15 or later on a trade up that's why I said "close to" or better. Last year alone you had Kawhi Leonard, Marshon Brooks, and Kenneth Faried. Over the last several years in the teens and early 20's: Rajon Rondo, Ty Lawson, Aaron Afflalo, George Hill, Serge Ibaka, etc. Close to means quality, but maybe Harden as an example is too high a ceiling. The point is a quality scorer at guard or otherwise is certainly possible, and right now they need to hit at least a double if not out of the park. .

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    The Bulls most certainly do have the full MLE at this time, they could actually lose it depending on the timing of a boozer amnestitization. Asik is restricted we do not need to use the MLE to resign him, we have his modified Bird rights.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    Not worth trading Asik for a short term fix on the wrong side of 30, never mind the whole trading big for small thing.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Why on earth do you keep insisting on trading Taj and/or Asik for a pick in the late teens or early 20's. Unless you get spectacularly lucky(Derrick Rose lucky) you will end up with a worse player if not an outright bust vs. the 2 guys that you rode for nearly the entire 2nd half in the close out game against Philly.

    You don't trade guys who are borderline starters for 20 something draft picks

  • Let me preface this by saying I like Pau. I understand that he's not a 1st Option, that he isn't going to bring 'toughness', but Pau haters have to realize, he's the most skilled big man in the league.

    Even Lakers fans don't get this. They complain about him not playing in the post. Well, that's because with the emergence of Bynum, the paint was crowded, and Pau played on the high post, which he played well.

    Some of the smarter teams have realized this and are still trying to get him. HOU has been down for a Scola+Kmart+Dragic (but no Dragic now, so probably Budinger or another wing). Rumors coming out of MINN have them offering up Derrick Williams, Barea, and a 1stRounder.

    I think the Bulls should be aggressive and make an offer at Pau...

    Pau+Metta ...for... Boozer+Deng+CHI 1st

    One of the downsides I see from this is the Lakers wanting to save money when they move Pau, but this deal is basically a wash ($25mil for $25mil). Maybe having to take back Steve Blake for Brewer's unguaranteed contract needs to be thrown in.

    Other than that, Kobe gets the player he wanted to play with about 5 years ago, and a PF who won't crowd the paint (since all he does is shoot jumpers).

    CHI gets an actual low-post player, and not somebody who pretended to be in order to get $80mil and then take fadeaway jumpers. And in the latter half of the season and playoffs, Metta returned to form (and albeit crazed) but was a good player again.

    This is obviously a different approach from getting a 2nd shot creator via a SG. We would get that from Pau.

  • In reply to YouBlewwIt:

    Main problem with that is Pau is on the wrong side of thirty and with those players you need to win now but bulls aren't going to contend again till at least the 2013-14 season. By then your window is getting really small as you would only have one maybe two years. Then the other question is would having Pau be enough? We would have two major holes in our lineup at SG and SF.

  • First, I just have to say no to any deal that would bring in Metta. Deng is ten times the player and 100 times more reliable. As for Pau, I used to love the idea of bringing him in, but after his playoffs performance I have to wonder if he is any better than Boozer. Didn't he have two or three games where he only had around 3 points? Isn't that why everyone hates Boozer? My solution, which I have said before a three team trade between the Bulls, Knicks, and Rockets. Bulls send Boozer and Watson to the Knicks (they need PG's since all of theirs got hurt, and Boozer fits perfectly with Carmelo - rebounder and doesn't need a lot of shots. Then the Rockets get the Bulls first round pick and Stoudemire from the Knicks. Amare was an mvp candidate last year and a star the Rockets were willing to trade for last year. Finally, the Rockets trade Kevin Martin and Louis Scola to the Bulls. Martin can score as starter or as a big lift off the bench. His contract is up after the season too which allows for trade otions or a huge salary comming off the books so that the Bulls can make a move next off season. Scola gives the Bulls the same numbers as Boozer for a lower price (which to me is the real core problem with Boozer- his production doesn't match the price tag. He actually puts up good numbers but not good enough for a guy that is supposed to be on a star level.) Scola could also come off the bench allowing Taj to be an Ibaka type player for the Bulls.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    A trade for Pau Gasol could have made sense around the time the Lakers got him - 2008. But now, Pau's best basketball is behind him. Even Lakers are trying to dump Pau - they tried to dump him 6 months ago.

    Bulls need some younger talent and a roster makeover - Rose Era 2.0. Acquiring it won't be easy, but the Bulls must make an effort to move on. I believe Bulls will do so, but they won't broadcast their intentions to the media. They will make moves in secrecy like they always do.

  • Doug, are there any team that desperate want to trade for boozer ? And what do we get in return ?

  • I think it's the knicks. maybe not "desperate", but I think he fits them best.

  • The thing about Martin is he's missed a significant amount of time with injuries in six of his NBA season's. And his efficient or star shooting percentage numbers are well behind him. He sounds good, but after ten years in the league, and turning 30 I'd say he's not going to be the answer. Maybe a short term stop gap for someone, but no a long term answer. Four or five eyars ago, hell yes. Not now. Is Scola at 15ppg, and not known as an above average defender really going to be much better then Boozer?

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    At least scola will not only shoot fade away jumper. He can also make a post move under the ring. While boozer is 99% will shoot a fade away jumper.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    My trade for martin is just a short term deal. He gets paid a lot of money and that will be off the books after next season. It allows the bull to actually have cap space. And you made my point about Scola, he isn't better than Boozer, but he comes so much cheaper. To me it's all about being able to clear money without losing to much talent. I know Scola is slowing down and I'm counting on him not having the giant ego that says I have to start. Taj could start with Scola coming off the bench, which is what everyone wants to happen now with Boozer but I don't think his ego (and masive contract) would allow that to happen.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Just looked up the numbers on Hoopsworld for the contract numbers for Martin, Scola, and Boozer. Martin gets paid about 12.5 next year. That would be coming off the books for the Bulls with my trade. Scola makes a lot but his numbers are 9.4, 10.2, and a non garenteed 11. Compare that to Boozer who gets 15,15.3, and an amazing 16.8! I'll take the slightly less production for the massively lower money.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Don't you just love the FO for doing a sign and trade to get Boozer that sixth year on his deal? I couldn't believe it when they did that...

  • In reply to Chad:

    boozer only got a five year deal, there was no sign and trade, most likely because the bulls had no desire to give him a 6th year.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Actually, even though Scola is already showing signs of slowing down he is still better than boozer, because it is against all the known laws of the universe that he could be a worse defender than boozer, and he would have to be at least 10 years older before his energy and effort sinks to boozers level of play.

  • Trading away Boozer is our main target this summer. Doug, what does this trade possibility chance of happen ? Boozer ...for... Frye+Warrick+Dudley. I think that we can increase our depth at C, PF and SF. Frye can serve as our Brad Miller with his 3 pointer. Warrick can come off bench and thus moving taj to starter as PF. Dudley can replace Korver's 3. Thus we can also safely trade away Korver and Brewer to any team that want expired contract for draft picks. And in the future, it is much easier to trade frye, warrick and dudley rather than Boozer ass. But there is just one thing that is bothering me. I can't think of a reason why Phoenix would do this trade. What do think doug ?

  • Boozer for Gasol makes sense for both teams. Boozer would thrive next to Bynum who clogs up the middle. Boozer just needs to knock down his rainbow midrange shot and rebound. Maybe we throw in another player to sweeten the deal so Laker fans don't riot.

    Gasol just needs to chip in with some scoring relief next to Noah. Fresh start will he'll be more of the man until Rose comes back.

    Makes too much freaking sense.

  • In reply to SoulEater7:

    Makes zero sense to me. Boozer's a shrinking violet, while Gasol is a two-time NBA champion.

  • In reply to RichG:

    Gasol isn't exactly Tony the Tiger either.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Compared to Boozer, he is. Kupchak may very well trade Gasol, but I can say with 100% certainty, it won't be for Boozer.

  • In reply to SoulEater7:

    I don't have a problem if we can get a gasol just by trading boozer and either korver or watson or brewer... But the problem is will the lakers do the trade with us... If they want, then it's early Christmas for Bulls... But like I said this trade is not likely to happen.... but hey who knows, mitch kupack said that there will be a big overhaul after their 2nd round exit..... so we'll hope the best for bulls.

  • JR Smith sounds like he is going to opt out and pursue a pay raise maybe we could work a sign and trade for him. He is only 26 is explosive on the break and can drill the three at close to 40%. Time to take a risk on such a talent is now I say and he is someone who could be Roses back court mate for years. He should end up in the 4-7 million a year range.

  • I don't see the Lakers trading Gasol for Boozer unless they dump some other two year or longer bad contracts on us. There's no way in hell I want Metta Missing a Peace of his brain. J.R. Smith might opt out of his contract, right after he opts to bond out of jail which he was just thrown into for driving on a warrent for no valid driver's license. You can down play it, but the guy is bad news.As for Martin's expiring contract if you can pick that up by trading Boozer and a bench guy like C.J. I'm all for it. It just sounds too good to be true. I question whether Houston wants Amare's bad knees which areuninsurable, and he's coming off the worst season of his career hinting at decline. I do think a three way trade you might be able to swing something beneficial with a shorter contract coming in, and Boozer going out. Tricky though.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Yea, that deal is a non starter for all parties involved, unless Houston is so starved for star power that they actually think that Amare would put butts in the seats.

    and at this point I am not sure that the bulls would take on Gasol's contract under any circumstances, since it guarantees being a tax payer for the nest 2 seasons.

    Personally, I would take a chance on Gasol, since you could argue that it makes you a champion if Rose returns to full health. Kind like when he first went to the Lakers, they fell short the first year, but won the second and third years.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    I would take on Metta if it meant dumping Boozer and getting Pau.

    The problem with that is, the Bulls aren't taking on $27mil in salary (Pau's $19mil, Metta's $8mil).

    Bulls aren't looking to spend any money, otherwise, they would do the smart thing and package Brewer, Korver, and/or Watson's $13.5mil in UNGUARANTEED salaries for something in return.

  • Fourth Choice: Wait

    I wanted to be polite and avoided the use of the word vacillate.

    Let's say you are the chairman of the board of a small law firm of 15 lawyers and support staff. Your top billable lawyer, your "rain maker" suffered a minor stroke and his/her eventual return is unknown. Your top lawyer will be different upon his/her return, better maybe, different yes.

    What would you do as the chairman of the board? (Sorry, this sounds grisly. Maybe it's because I have a cold.)

    The Chicago Bulls have a lot of unknowns in their decision making. Rose is badly injured with a long recovery expected. Deng is hurt and may delay his own recovery with the London Olympics. Boozer is, well, Boozer. And Mirotic is on some distant horizon.

    If not for the 100:1 long shot where the Bulls acquired the Rose #1 selection, have the Chicago Bulls management given you any indication of dynamic decision making in the past several years (and going over the luxury tax)? The Chicago Bulls management and ownership is competent and prudent, but dynamic risk taskers? I don't think so.

    Reinsdorf, Paxson and Forman can also take the road frequently traveled: just wait. Yes, they will be busy with scenarios but until they are forced into a decision they'll wait to see how their injured players recover and wait to see what opportunities the changing NBA landscape brings.

    Whatever Reinsdorf does, rest assured the United Center will remain full with season ticket holders not dumping their tickets. As I have said many times in this forum, Reinsdorf is a prudent businessman with 6 NBA rings and a full stadium whenever the Bulls play.

    The Chicago Bulls are in no hurry to make any personnel decisions. The Bulls aren't known for dynamic season changing decision making. If and when the Bulls win another NBA title, they will do so under the salary cap, and not higher.

    The Bulls 4th option? They will choose to "wait".

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Okay, we'll wait. Gar/Pax can wait all day long until 2013 season ended. I don't care. Because sadly I have to accept the fact that Bulls won't compete for title next year because we have NO ROSE. But Bulls FO absolutely can not wait regarding Boozer matter... They have to find any team that is willing to trade for him ASAP !!!!!

  • I found you 2 teams willing to take Boozer, New York and Atlanta, and they'll do it ASAP, just like you requested. The only catch is you have to take back Amare or Joe Johnson. Fair is fair.

  • Gar and Pax have done a good job with later first round picks Taj, Omer, Mirotic. In a deep draft, it just makes sense to play to their strengths, and take advantage of a loaded deck. Most drafts in recent years have provided some excellent players in this range mid to late first anyway. This year the odds are that much better.

    Not since the year Taj and Marcus Thornton were available have I felt this good about a couple of players, and these guys are both offensive players with good character and a winning pedigree. You'd have to move up into the early 20's to get Andrew Nicholson and or Doron Lamb. I don't see how they'd acquire an extra pick and two move ups, but if they moved up for one player at 20-23 either Nicholson preferably or Lamb I'd be very happy. If they somehow made it to 15-16 then Arnett Moultrie(Amare to Amare light) would be my motivation to trade up that far. And in the lottery I like Jeremy Lamb. He's going to be a good starting SG for some NBA team.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    The problem with your strategy is that all four of the Bulls trade chips, Deng, Noah, Taj and even Asik are already far better NBA players than the average mid first round pick ever becomes. So basically, you are giving up a solid known quantity for a total crapshoot.

    Because I have never been a fan of watching Deng, I would probably only give up Deng to move up, but I would probably add a first round pick to move up in to the 2-5-6- range. Don't know if that is doable, it really depends on which teams end up with those picks and their needs/strategic team building plan.

  • I don't know but Thibs is going to have to play some younger guys and not hide them on the bench. He'll have no choice with Jimmy next season.

  • In reply to SoulEater7:

    I agree with you. Thibs dont like rookies and he preferres veterans. Maybe if he is a great mentor hi Popovich or a teacher like Doug Collins, then we might have been in the ECF this year. James Johnson is wasted because of this "no rookie" thinking, while Jimmy Butler was benched even though he is a decent defender (a with great work attitude). Unless MANAGEMENT evaluate this perspective, we will always end up as loosers. If he used Jimmy, there would have been too many injuries..

  • Tell me guys, when are we going to use charlotte protected draft pick ? If it is this year, does it mean we're drafting among the 1st ten ?

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