Does Rose want to play with Gasol?

Does Rose want to play with Gasol?

The initial report came out of Spain. I didn't even comment on the initial post because the idea of a Spanish newspaper [which might be close to Gasol, but not Rose] commenting on Rose's demands seems like completely made up garbage. Rose won't lobby for Dwight Howard, but he's going to lobby for Pau Gasol?

However, Chris Sheridan is telling the same story as the original Spanish story.

Derrick Rose has let it be known to Bulls management that we wants to play with Pau Gasol if Chicago is able to swing a trade with the Los Angeles Lakers for the veteran power forward from Spain, a source close to Rose told SheridanHoops.com on Sunday.

The rumored trade going around the league is Boozer + Watson for Pau. The Bulls would likely need to swing a new backup PG or hope that Rose is ready to go and will remain healthy the rest of the season. If Rose is out, then playing full games with James/Lucas should scare the hell out of anyone.

Pau Gasol's productivity hasn't exactly fallen off a cliff this season, but it's taken a notable dip downwards. Is it the perpetual trade rumors, worse coaching, improved play of Bynum, hangover of knowing the team is on the way down, or simply a decline due to age?

Either way, at 19 million per season, Gasol's contract is awfully large and unlike Boozer, the Bulls could not amnesty it. The same is true of the Lakers who would be unable to get out of Boozer's deal after a swap. In other words, both teams lose financial flexibility in regards to the tax by making the swap.

The trade also all but guarantees the Bulls are in luxury tax land next season while it doesn't exactly provide the Lakers with any young prospects to replace Pau or significant financial relief. The Lakers seem far better off swapping Gasol + Bynum for Howard [which seems like a realistic possibility] or finding a different suitor all together.

I would support the Bulls trading for Gasol if this trade were on the table, but there's a mountain of red flags here that should be an indicator there's almost no chance this happens. Both teams have significant incentives to not do this deal, and I can't see why the Lakers would even consider it to be honest.

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  • Doug - Pau Gasol has a 15% Trade Kicker.
    That puts Bulls in even worse Financial shape.
    Remember that finances are usually #1 consideration in any Bulls move.
    I've read various sources that said that Bulls cap guru, Irwin Mandel, must review any potential deal for financial effect before it is even presented to Reinsdorf

  • In reply to bulls6:

    axactly thanks!

  • In reply to bulls6:

    I wonder if Gasol would be open to restructuring his contract (i.e. get rid of that trade kicker) if he were to join. Granted, I don't even know if it can be done, but just wondering.

  • I just wanna win. And just have my back not hurt so bad.

  • If this can be done, it must be done. I love Gasol's ability to post up. I think swapping Gasol for Boozer puts the Bulls as the favorites for the championship.

    I may actually like this trade more than the proposed trades for Dwight Howard because you don't have to give up a solid piece.

    That said, I don't think it will ever happen.

  • Doug, is it just me, or did the chemistry that Mike James have with Boozer make you realize that Rose simply doesn't know how to make the most of Boozer yet? The plays we'd get off of the pick and roll were pretty nice, and James made it look so easy.

  • In reply to HINrichPolice:

    yeah I agree with you. I said it after bulls beat celtics.Boozer plays better without Rose. Rose doesn't feed him enough. Rose doesn't play a lot of pick N roll with him

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Thats because boozer sets a pick about as well as he guards the lane.

  • As for Gasol why would the Lakers want Boozer or his salary? They can do better. When are people going to quit buying into these bullshit media floated rumors? It's about making money off of fantasy scenarios, sort of like why people play the lottery. A sad way to live. Quit paying attention to stupid lies aka rumors, and pan the media whenever they do so.

    And Derrick voicing trade and player scenarios to Bulls management? Derrick Rose who states ad nauseum he'll stay out of player trades, and "leave that to managent." Some Spanish newspaper thinks it'd be a good idea for Pau to join Rose, and make the Bulls a "true" contender. Nice

    On another note: Reactionary B.S. comment of the day, sponsored by Spaz.com, Jeremy Lin and the Knicks look like they're for real...

    "Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.. " cont'. until fully vented

    Time will tell, but Dallas was playing much better ball then earlier in the season, and Lin just looked like a top five player against them IMO. I've watched him game after game, and so far no one has found the chinks in his armor. I guess when he plays this way 23-25 points on 49-50% field goals with 12 assists(albeit turnover prone) against the Heat, OKC, or the Bulls then people will take notice. And if he can sustain these numbers for the rest of the season.

    If he does sustain this elite level of play with a healthy Amare, Carmelo, Chandler, Fields etc., and D'Antoni has been sucessful when he has the talent. I don't know, they could be trouble come playoff time if everyone feeds off of Lin and buys in.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    "On another note: Reactionary B.S. comment of the day, sponsored by Spaz.com, Jeremy Lin and the Knicks look like they're for real..."

    +100

    Not spaz or reactionary at all RoadWarrior. Doug pooh-poohed it the other day, because their only quality win was against the Lakers. The Dallas game just makes this all the more clear to me. The Knicks will not posses a better playoff seeding than the Bulls come playoff time, however they may have a better chance at defeating Miami and reaching the Finals. Time will tell, but a team that was once dismal without any help at the guard position suddenly finds themselves with the Asian American superstar Lin (yes he will be a superstar if he sustains this level of play) and J.R. Smith coming off the bench. The East is tough. The Bulls may find themselves between a rock (New York) and an even harder place (Miami).

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    everybody changes. Rose finally realized that he needs help.

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    SPAM !

  • I know this is off topic, but did anyone see the commercial where all the Bulls are quoting Stacey King's catch phrases? The commercial Doug posted the other day reminded me of it. It's pretty funny for those of you that haven't seen it.

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  • Ohh yeah ! I like this news ! After refusing, Lebron james, carmelo anthony and Howard, Rose finally understood that he can't do by himself.

    Yeah Do whatever it takes to grab Gasol, don't only touch Rose and Deng !!

    But for Howard, dont only touch Rose.

  • The point is not whether will Rose join forces with Gasol,but whether will Rose and our beloved Bulls have what it takes by May to get out of an improved Eastern conference.Last year we struggled at times with playoff intense basketball.This year is a different animal, injuries, scheduling and recent success make the Bulls vulnerable for a letdown BEFORE any Miami series! Pau Gasol is not gonna happen: the Lakers already gave away Odom, they are not faring as well as their Clippers counterpart,they want something substantisl in return for Gasol.. definitely not Boozer whom theyve owned or any of the other benchmob who are inconsistent. But we need to start talking about somebody.. Could we pry Grant Hill for Phoenix for the 2nd half of the season. That might help Dengs time on the floor, cut down on that off/def substitutions Thibs has to make.An actual stretch 4 that will space the floor and keep the paint less packed for our rebounding? Im just saying ... Is there any room for improvement or is JUST with Rose and RIP coming back from injury is this really the year

  • In reply to mummuhwalde:

    I'd rather talk about Gasol even if it doesn't make sense for Lakers than talking about Grant hill. lol. another Rip hamilton

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Im just saying the talk should be about something attainable/beneficial.Do you think Kupchak is really that stupid to give away Gasol like Odom? He stole Gasol away from Minny and his eyes are wide open as to what he wants, which is - nobody on the Bulls...
    Unless you start talking Rose,man.

  • In reply to mummuhwalde:

    I'm starting to compare RIP to Mr. Glass (Samuel L. Jackson) in Unbreakable.

  • On an unrelated note, Lil Lucas needs to be behind Mike James on the depth chart. Jame's plus minus is pretty good and he is way more in control. Love his veteran presence and tough nose D. Lucas gets taken advantage of by big guards too much.

  • If this were a possibility, I would prefer including the Timberwolves. I would rather have Derrick Willams. Not that I think the guy is great but it would free up the cap space to make it more likely we would sign Taj and Omer. I think it is really addition by substraction, as I think we are better with Taj in the starting lineup.

  • In reply to do53:

    are Taj and Omer going to be guys who will put the pressure off Rose ?? Will they prevent team from double-teaming Rose ? C'mon man !!

  • In reply to do53:

    First move I make if I'm in Gar/Pax's position is to let Brewer go on his way and replace him with Butler. Brewer has disappointed me after getting off to a great start at the beginning of the season.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    that is guaranteed to happen this summer.

  • In reply to do53:

    Minny isn't trading Williams for a 31 year old, even Gasol.

  • So, here's what I think the Gasol rumor is:

    Gar/Pax: Hey Derrick how's the back?

    Rose: It's good, I'm ready to play. I don't need any shots- I don't like needles.

    Gar/Pax: Yeah, good, no shots needed. Any thoughts on the Pau Gasol?

    Rose: He's a good player. Why?

    Gar/Pax: Oh, there's been rumors about him being traded. We thought we'd see if can get involved.

    Rose: Sounds good to me. Whatever helps the team win.

    Gar/Pax: Ok, good. Well, have a good game today.

    A janitor is seen lurking down the hall who knows Chris Sheridan (or the spanish newspaper reporter) and gives him a call.

    Trainer: "Guess what I just heard. Derrick Rose asked Paxson to trade Boozer for Pau Gasol."

    Sheridan: "Wow, I'm going to put this unsubstantiated claim on my website."

  • OMG Hoover that is a funny play by play of the rumors origin!
    Prob not far from the truth! ;-)

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  • Totally agree with the article Doug. Probably BS, but hey just for fun...

    If this deal were possible I would do it in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, I love CJ and what he brings to the table but getting rid of Boozer's huge (long term) contract helps us in the long term. Gasol is also a superior player and I think he would be rejuvenated out of the Jim Buss mess and getting to play with a young superstar. We are going to need inside scoring to win 4 playoff series, Boozer+Noah have proven they cannot do so consistently. Something has to change for us to win the title.

    The only angle I can see from the Lakers perspective is that IMO DWill is going to Dallas, and they still need a PG, but that's about it. I agree it doesn't make too much sense for them. But let's not forget it appears Jim Buss doesn't seem to have a clue what he is doing.

    Thoughts on other posters' points:
    DRose is not a fool, he knows he needs help he just isn't going to bring it out into the media. He still wants to be the alpha dog and isn't going to beg anyone to come here. Maybe he thinks/has decided that what the Bulls currently have is not enough and spoke up to management. Hard for me to speculate just like anyone else.

    Also Mike James should be ahead of JL3, better player, has the bonus of playoff experience with the 2004 Pistons as Billups' backup (I realize this was years ago). At least he won't get abused physically like JL3.

  • The only way the Lakers trade Gasol in anything other than a Howard deal is if Gasol mope a dopes his way out of town.

  • Ok I must say if boo could play defense without comiting dumb fouls n just stay solid with help defense then he wouldn't be such a let down but till then he's a week link expecialy if he's not puting up 15 points a game. I'm mean come on it not that hard with his skill level . N as for cj mr cool under pressure it's a no deal u don't trade cj for anyone unless he can run there offense better . But what I know I'm just a fan

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