Who's interested in the Bulls? Whom are the Bulls interested in?

With agents and teams first being able to make contact a couple of days ago, a flurry of rumors about players being interested in Chicago and vice versa have hit the net. I'll attempt to summarize what been discussed so far.

Interested in Chicago:

Tracy McGrady - Per Adrian Wojnarowski

Tracy McGrady wants to play for the Bulls, sources said, and coach Tom Thibodeau has a relationship with him going back to their Houston Rockets days together. T-Mac is still a consideration to return to the Pistons, too.

Jamal Crawford - Per Michael Wilbon

Jamal Crawford wants to come; a little birdie told me so. But again, setting aside the issue of whether he'll play enough defense for Coach Thibs and whether he'd be the best fit with Rose, will he take a 50 percent pay cut to come back to Chicago?

Caron Butler - Per KC Johnson and Adrian Wojnarowski

As the NBA free-agency period begins the test-the-waters mode, Butler's interest in the Bulls is legitimate, according to league sources.

Caron Butler, one of the most pursued small forwards in this year’s free-agent class, privately considers the Los Angeles Clippers and Chicago Bulls as his two most preferred destinations, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Butler is most attracted to the Bulls because of the chance to play with Derrick Rose and compete for a title, but he would have to take significantly less money to play in Chicago.

Chicago interested in:

Nick Young - Per ESPN Chicago (also noted by Woj)

The Chicago Bulls have talked to the representative of Wizards restricted free agent Nick Young, but agent Mark Bartelstein emphasized Young is not in a hurry to leave Washington.

Shawne Williams - Per Adrian Wojnarowski

Miami, Chicago and New Jersey are strongly considering offers for Knicks free-agent forward Shawne Williams, who is coming off a strong season. The Knicks will make a strong bid to keep him, and he’s inclined to stay with them for a multiyear offer.

Brandon Roy - Chris Broussard's twitter

Bulls' dream (sources say) & Heat's nightmare is for Chi to get Brandon Roy after Blazers cut him w/amnesty clause....

Josh Howard - Chris Broussard's twitter

But Bulls know Roy likely to be picked up first by a team with cap room. Source says Chi has interest in Josh Howard too, so does Wash & NJ

Aaron Afflalo - Mark Stein's twitter

Bulls and Lakers lust after Afflalo, I'm told, but it'll take a cap-room team to assemble an offer good enough to get him out of Denver

Marco Bellineli -
Per Ken Berger

But Chicago hasn't ruled out also making a push for restricted free agent Marco Belinelli, whose defensive liabilities wouldn't thrill coach Tom Thibodeau but whose shooting prowess could help open the floor for Derrick Rose.

Michael Redd - Gery Woelfel

According to some league officials, Chicago, Boston, New York and Miami all have Redd on their radar.

So a few things appear clear to me based on the rumors:

The Bulls are likely doing their due diligence. There are a lot of players on the list that seem like fringe choices to look into which could imply they're worried that the surplus of money relative to talent will limit their options.

I think the Bulls are most likely to aim at players willing to accept a pay cut to come here for a chance to win a title, but they're casting a wide net over all of free agency.

I think their best chance to make a true splash is in the trade market using the combination of Watson, Korver, and Brewer with some picks and/or Mirotic thrown in.

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  • If the Knicks acquire CP3 I'm going to be nauseous. Are the financial logistics of that trade even feasible with the huge salaries of Amare and Carmelo? I would love to see the Bulls trade for Iggy/pipe dream Howard—especially if CP3 hits New York. With two "dream teams" won't Howard forget about being the lone star and playing in a warm market? If Rose and Howard team he wouldn't be considered a #2 option. The high/low game would be incredible and unstoppable.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    Agreed.

    Reading that shit this morning has pissed me off.

    With all these players choosing where they wind up, no one wants go to the house that Jordan built... What the fuck?

    It seems to me that we have the most assets to offer for Howard, so why don't we hear about it?

    Get rid of Noah/Deng/Gibson/Asik/Korver/Brewer/Boozer/Bogans I don't care... just get us in the mix.

    It's becoming evident that you gotta build a big three to even be in contention in the East, and we're here with interest in Mr. Happy's Nick Young? Hell, Iggy is a good player, but he doesn't get us past the Heat.

    Get me Howard. I know it won't happen, but I need something to hope for with all this Paul to the Knicks talk.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    No chance the Knicks get CP3 this year. Maybe as a FA, but not this year.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    Agreed. Rose and Howard together can destroy this league. Bulls should offer Magic 2 of these 3 players : Noah, Boozer and Deng !

  • It seems like lots of B and C list players want to be here, but no superstars seem interested. I wonder would things be different if Durant hadn't already re-upped in OKC.

    I also wonder how much of it has to do with DRose. He seems to be on the outside of the young superstar clique. Although he doesn't come off as cocky publicly, he has an absolute Alpha-Dog vibe. He didn't kiss Wade and LeBron's rings to get them to Chicago, and he said he won't be doing any recruiting this time around. He strikes me as having the attitude that people wished LeBron did; he doesn't want to join his rivals, he wants to beat them. It's admirable, but I don't know if that will win championships in the era of Big 3's. It's up to GarPax to find players who are talented, but willing to fall in line behind him.

  • In reply to Tyler Soze:

    I agree. It is a fine line between teaming up with buddies and "trying" to win championships as Melo/Amare are doing and what LeBron/Wade did. LeBron/Wade are more complete two-way players than Melo/Amare and even Paul. Can Paul stop Rose/D Will when it matters on defense? He looked great in the playoffs against an old Derek Fisher and the already-given up Lakers who were exposed by the Mavs.
    The Bulls need two semi-elite players(one like Igoudala and the other like Jamal Crawford./Richardson/Gordon type). Getting only one of them will again result in the same issues. Basically, they either need a complete 2-guard(not available) or upgraded versions of Korver/Bogans/Brewer. and combine them into 2 players rather than 3.

    They need to LeBron-proof Rose where he has no choice but get blocked or pass it to Deng/Noah who don't know what to do with the ball.

  • In reply to Tyler Soze:

    "He didn't kiss Wade and LeBron's rings to get them to Chicago"

    Of course he didn't kiss LBJ's ring...'cause he ain't got one yet. ZING. (Still angry)

  • In reply to Who’s Got Wilt?:

    LOL. I knew somebody was going to go there.

  • In reply to Tyler Soze:

    I think the young superstars of his generation might look forward to playing with him later. Guys we're talking about now predate Rose considerably, but I agree he doesn't look like he's going to go recruit anyone.

  • Is it too late to hope that Deng, in the offseason, can learn how to dribble?

    Is it too late to hope that Bogans has somehow improved at all?

    Maybe Korver learned how to play D?

    Maybe Brewer can nail that mid range jumper?

    Maybe Boozer's defense is INCREDIBLE and he does more than grab "nobody's around but Noah" rebounds...

    Noah now hits the 15 footer?

    Kurt Thomas ate a batch of fetuses (fetii?) and his stem-cell regeneration has him playing like he was still at TCU?

    Scalabrine died?

    Maybe Rose grew 6 inches and can play SG... meanwhile Watson doesn't look eternally lost, and can start at PG?

    Maybe Asik is so damn coordinated now that he'd an all-pro?

    No.

    None of this happened.

    Maybe Lebron and Wade gave each other a debilitating STD?

    Probably not.

    Therefore... GET. ME. HOWARD.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    There's a better chance of Noah and Brewer hitting midrange jumpers than of the Bulls getting Howard. There's never been any talk of Chicago being on his short list and our esteemed host has it on good authority that he won't sign here. He wants to be "the man" wherever he goes, and DRose will be The Man in Chicago unless MJ suits up. The last thing the Bulls need is some Shaq and Kobe style "whose team is this" drama.

  • In reply to Tyler Soze:

    "The last thing the Bulls need is some Shaq and Kobe style "whose team is this" drama."

    If it gets the Bulls three consecutive NBA titles, I strongly disagree. I'd rather be in Grant Park in June celebrating than worring about hurt feelings and watching the Heatles disgrace the NBA year after year.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    True. I should've clarified that I'm not sure the Bulls would win with all they'd have to give up to get D12. Don't get me wrong, I'd do it in a heartbeat if Howard would sign an extension here, but there'd still be significant roster questions.

  • In reply to Tyler Soze:

    Of course they will win. a team made of only Rose and Howard will win the championship. trust me ! Do you realize we're talking about the best poing guard and the best center ?

  • In reply to Jmax:

    It won't though, because Howard is not going to agree to come here, and Orlando is not trading him in conference.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Bulls would have to trade Noah and other young assets (Gibson, Charlotte pick, and Mirotic) to pry Howard from the Magic, if he agreed to come, but the salaries really don't work with a direct Bulls-Magic trade, even in the more lenient new CBA. Bulls would have to find a third team because of the way Noah's contract is structured.

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    From everything we hear, Howard does not want to come here, I doubt he'd agree to sign the extension.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Yeah. The real danger is that if he goes to NJ and Paul goes to NY, the Bulls could end up being the fourth best team in the East in just 2-3 years. Presumably NJ would need to keep building around Dwight and Deron before passing the Bulls, but it's not hard to see more mid-level players heading to Brooklyn once they've got that core and they're in the new facility.

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    That is an absolute nightmare scenario. And that would be a lot of elite PGs heading to the East lately. I don't think NY has enough to land Paul however, and depending on who the Nets would keep, I would probably think we are still better than them, but I agree, the Brooklyn Nets with 2 stars would attract a lot of other role players. I think Boston could get Paul. Seems like he definitely will be moved before the deadline.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Rose is young enough and good enough to get much better.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Exactly man. Rose + Howard would win a championship no matter who is in the rest of the roster!

  • I find it somewhat surprising that the Bulls have shown little interest in Jason Richardson, could be because he is not a good defender but he can light up that 3 point line. I believe the Bulls really wanted Arron Afflalo but because he is not feasible, they will settle for a tough battle tested veteran in Caron Butler. Last year guarding Lebron James, he held him to 27% shooting in the two regular season matchups. The only question is can he guard quicker SGs? maybe have Jimmy Butler in against those faster twos.

  • Agree 100% with Doug and the other commenters that we should be pursuing creative trade solutions rather than free agents. Right now there are a handful of teams that need partners for three-way trades for superstars and even more teams willing to explore dramatic trade options in general. Plus there's going to be more, rather than less, trade flexibility under the new CBA. However, in order to make a "true splash," the Bulls have to be prepared to include Asik and Gibson.

    Personally, I think the best two-guard in the league right now--accounting for both current ability and upside--is Eric Gordon on the Clips. Here's a viable "dream trade" for him:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7m2wgna

    In the above "Chris Kaman" actually means "DeAndre Jordan," who the Clips will resign as a restricted free agent. The trade will work no matter how much he signs for (as long as it's between $1 million and $20 million per year, which it obviously will be). Jordan will probably receive about $7-$10 million a year. In sum...

    1. Bulls get Eric Gordon (SG) from Clips
    2. Clippers get Dwight Howard (C) from Magic
    3. Magic get DeAndre Jordan (C) from Clips; Asik (C), Gibson (PF) from Bulls

    Why would each team do this?

    1. Bulls completely fix their SG problem without touching their starting five.
    2. Clips get to pair Blake with Dwight, and they remain slightly under the cap. They can fill the SG hole left by Gordon with a lesser free agent, a lesser amnestied player, or by way of a non-blockbuster trade.
    3. Magic get a three bright young pieces for a star that's planning to bolt.

    Is this really viable?

    There's actually a lot of room to make this work in different ways without changing the big chips (Gordon, Howard, Jordan/Asik/Gibson). Any of the teams could throw in additional incentives like future picks or rights (to Nikola Mirotic, say) if one of the other teams balks. Surprisingly, how much DeAndre Jordan signs for has a relatively small effect on the flexibility of the trade as a whole. And the Bulls can send Boozer instead of Gibson or Noah instead of Asik if everyone would prefer that. Something along the lines of this would work (again with "Kaman" meaning "Jordan") if the Bulls are OK with starting Asik and pursuing a backup C thru free agency:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7wbdtvl

    In theory, if Howard expressed a desire to be in Chicago we could trade young assets directly to Orlando, but that's much trickier because the salaries don't come even close to matching right.

  • Agree 100% with Doug and the other commenters that the Bulls should seriously consider trade options as well as free agency. A handful of teams need partners for three-way trades involving superstars, and even more teams are open to dramatic roster changes. Plus the new CBA increases rather than decreases trade flexibility. However, in order to make a "true splash," the Bulls will need to package Asik and Gibson, possibly with the Charlotte pick or Mirotic, rather than Korver/Brewer/Watson.

    Personally, I think most desirable two-guard in the league--accounting for both current ability and upside--is the one mentioned very briefly by schaumburgfan above: Eric Gordon of the Clips. Here's a viable "dream trade" involving him.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cml8bx6

    Note that "Chris Kaman" actually means "DeAndre Jordan." Jordan will resign with the Clippers as a restricted free agent, and as long as his salary is between $1 million and $20 million per year this trade works. It will obviously be within that range, and it's expected to be approximately $6-$10 million per year. In sum...

    1. Bulls get Eric Gordon (SG) from Clips
    2. Clippers get Dwight Howard (C) from Magic
    3. Magic get DeAndre Jordan (C) from Clips; Asik (C), Gibson (PF) from Bulls

    Why would each team do this?

    1. Bulls completely fix their SG problem without touching their starters.
    2. Clips get to pair Blake with Dwight, and they remain slightly under the cap. They can fill the SG hole left by Gordon with a lesser free agent, a lesser amnestied player, or by way of a non-blockbuster trade.
    3. Magic get a three bright young pieces for a star that's planning to bolt.

    Is this really viable?

    This is win-win-win, and there's actually a lot of room to make it work in different ways without changing the big chips (Gordon, Asik/Gibson/Jordan, Howard). Surprisingly, how much DeAndre Jordan signs for has a relatively small effect on the flexibility of the trade as a whole. And any of the teams could throw in additional incentives like future picks or rights (to Nikola Mirotic, say) if one of the other teams balks. Orlando, for instance, might demand the Charlotte pick. Finally, the Bulls could send Boozer instead of Gibson or Noah instead of Asik if everyone would prefer that:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7wbdtvl

    After completing a trade like either of these (for a major young SG, Eric Gordon or otherwise), the Bulls would be in the market for a backup SF, a backup PF, and a backup C. They could pursue Caron Butler in free agency and explore a range of small trade options centered around Brewer or Korver and picks. Point is, the Bulls need to be willing to give up some major valuable assets like Asik and Gibson rather than just conveniently expendable ones like Korver, Brewer, and Watson.

  • Agree 100% with Doug and the other commenters that the Bulls should seriously consider trade options as well as free agency. A handful of teams need partners for three-way trades involving superstars, and even more teams are open to dramatic roster changes. Plus the new CBA increases rather than decreases trade flexibility. However, in order to make a "true splash," the Bulls will need to package Asik and Gibson, possibly with the Charlotte pick or Mirotic, rather than Korver/Brewer/Watson.

    Personally, I think most desirable two-guard in the league--accounting for both current ability and upside--is the one mentioned very briefly by schaumburgfan above: Eric Gordon of the Clips. Here's a viable "dream trade" involving him.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cml8bx6

    Note that "Chris Kaman" actually means "DeAndre Jordan." Jordan will resign with the Clippers as a restricted free agent, and as long as his salary is between $1 million and $20 million per year this trade works. It will obviously be within that range, and it's expected to be approximately $6-$10 million per year. In sum...

    1. Bulls get Eric Gordon (SG) from Clips
    2. Clippers get Dwight Howard (C) from Magic
    3. Magic get DeAndre Jordan (C) from Clips; Asik (C), Gibson (PF) from Bulls

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    I agree that in order for the Bulls to significantly upgrade it's going to probably take more then Korver/Watson/Brewer. If a trade does involve those guys that's still what $12 Mil you have to pay them this year and 9 Mil next year as well? These guys and perhaps the Charlotte pick and possibly Mirotic might get you an Iggy if Philly wanted more flexibility/start over/move in a different direction.

    People always underestimate what significant value you have to give to get back.

    As does Chicago. The Bulls again have a history in trades of not wanting to give anything back of siginificant value, and that's why they never go down. Brewer for Mayo? A guy one year removed from an awesome season for a guy whose been a role player and injured/moved from one team to the next?. Of course there was a piece of value we did have, enhanced by the Bulls new found success. Omer Asik. Fine, you don't want to trade a defensively emerging big/him. Understood. But if you say you want to deal and offer only inequity i.e comparitive garbage then you really are not a player in significant upgrades/exchanges/trades of NBA players.

    And when you have a rep like that not only other teams but also some players do not want to deal with game playing/unwilling to do what it takes to win franchises.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Also in regards to the proposed Dwight trade teams always want some scorers involved in trade to replace scorers. None of Asik, Taj, or Jordan are that. But an interesting trade idea nonetheless.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    People often underestimate, but in situations with bad contracts, often it's just dumping salary and one team being able to take advantage.

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    I'd love for the Bulls to get Gordon, but I can't see how they get in this trade.

    They'd be better off just taking back Gordon and Jordan than putting us in the mix.

    Plus any Howard trade will include Hedo going out.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Point taken. Orlando can make a clean trade with the Clips, no problem, if LAC makes the best overall offer of Gordon/Jordan for Howard/Hedo ("Chris Kaman" = DeAndre Jordan):

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73oedqp

    But while Gordon is incredibly valuable to LA and Chicago, the Magic might prefer to change him into multiple young and future assets, which the Bulls can offer: Asik, Gibson, Mirotic, Charlotte pick, Bulls own picks. For Chicago, it depends how much Orlando demands; obviously, it becomes diminishingly palatable as more of those pieces are included.

    The megastars (Lebron, Durant, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Melo, Amare, Griffin) aren't coming here. CP3, Deron, and Westbrook make no sense for the Bulls. And Dwight doesn't seem to want to be in Chicago. That leaves Gordon as nearly the very best player we could possibly get. (I suppose star PFs like Love, Randolph, the Gasols, etc. are also longshot possibilities via trade.)

  • Why would each team do the above trade?

    1. Bulls completely fix their SG problem without touching their starters.
    2. Clips get to pair Blake with Dwight, and they remain slightly under the cap. They can fill the SG hole left by Gordon with a lesser free agent, a lesser amnestied player, or by way of a non-blockbuster trade.
    3. Magic get a three bright young pieces for a star that's planning to bolt.

    Is this actually viable?

    This is win-win-win, and there's actually a lot of room to make it work in different ways without changing the big chips (Gordon, Asik/Gibson/Jordan, Howard). Surprisingly, how much DeAndre Jordan signs for has a relatively small effect on the flexibility of the trade as a whole. And any of the teams could throw in additional incentives like future picks or rights (to Nikola Mirotic, say) if one of the other teams balks. Orlando, for instance, might demand the Charlotte pick. Finally, the Bulls could send Boozer instead of Gibson or Noah instead of Asik if everyone would prefer that:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7wbdtvl

    After completing a trade like either of these (for a major young SG, Eric Gordon or otherwise), the Bulls would be in the market for a backup SF, a backup PF, and a backup C. They could pursue Caron Butler in free agency and explore a range of small trade options centered around Brewer or Korver and picks. Point is, the Bulls need to be willing to give up some major valuable assets like Asik and Gibson rather than just conveniently expendable ones like Korver, Brewer, and Watson.

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    I would do this deal, and I have been adamant about holding on to Taj & Omer for anything less than an all star, but Gordon is that. However, they'd also likely have to give up both Mirotic & the Charlotte pick, with possibly another #1 to Orlando. Then I'm not so sure it's a great deal.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    sorry, meant nothing less than an all star

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Definitely. I agree that Asik + Gibson + pick + Mirotic is a bit much. But the trade has enough space for either Magic or Clips to throw us a bone, such as Ryan Anderson (backup PF from Magic) or Bledsoe (backup PG from Clips) if the Magic demand more prospects. If the Bulls want to win now, then Mirotic and the Charlotte pick may have to go.

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    I do like Ryan Anderson. I think the Bulls are already set up to contend & win now, especially with another incremental upgrade, and I think they can be absolutely dominant as Rose hits his prime, Mirotic comes over, & that Charlotte pick increases in value.

  • Calling Mirotic a throw in, is sorry to say, kind of moronic. Bogans is a throw in, Lucas III is a throw in, at this point Jimmy Butler is a throw in, future Bulls #1 picks are likely throw ins.

    A young, tall and skilled forward who looks to be more talented that Asik will ever be(how would you feel now, if we had "thrown in" Asik in some trade prior to seeing him play in the NBA) and will arive in about 3 years when we will be in serious need of a talent/age upgrade on the frontline when either Deng or Boozer(emphasis on Boozer)will be amnestied is not a throw in.

    And for many of these same reasons, the Charlotte pick is not a throw in either.

    When you call these assets throw ins, you are speaking like a fan, not a seasoned NBA watcher, and certainly not an NBA exec.

    Just remember, Rose is so young that we will have a shot to build 2 championship runs around him. The current one, and the second one in a few years when Rose will be in his prime years.

    Unless, it is a blockbuster type deal(Dwight Howard), Asik, Mirotic and Charlottes #1 are off the table, and certainly not throw ins.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Disagree. Gordon is an ideal complement to Rose and we would have to still consider a trade for him if it required giving up either (not both) the Charlotte pick or Mirotic, in my opinion. It's quite possible that both those assets have more worth now, trade-wise, than they ever will. Part of being a "seasoned NBA watcher" or "NBA exec" rather than "a fan" is recognizing that you have to give to get and evaluating specific risks. Gordon plays well off the ball, can create his own shot, and is comfortable scoring (though not handling the ball) in crunch-time. He also isn't a liability in any respect, except for the fact that he had a substantial injury last year. I'm excited about Mirotic, but he's not gonna keep me from pulling the trigger on a trade for a young All-Star SG.

    More importantly, the point of the Magic-Clips-Bulls dream trade is not that it's likely to happen. Nor that we should do it if the Magic demand multiple additional incentives (they're not in a strong negotiating position, after all). The point is that this is an ideal time to get creative because of the new CBA, the number of teams lusting after Howard and CP3, and the general roster instability as a result of the players abroad and the wide range of mid-tier free agents. Being creative means recognizing it's technically possible to acquire someone of Gordon's caliber for ONLY Asik and Gibson. As an exec, you work from what's possible.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Additionally, the real meaning of the phrase "throw in" in this context is that you can include picks and rights at your discretion because they don't effect the salaries being traded. No one disagrees that Charlotte's pick and the rights to Mirotic are valuable. In terms of making the salaries balance, however, it is in fact Lucas, Butler, and Bogans (after the latter two sign contracts with the Bulls) that cannot be simply thrown-in without running the numbers.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I agree with your points, and I think those 2 runs you speak of could blend together quite nicely with the right moves. The Bulls have 4 great assets right now outside of Rose: Asik, Gibson, Charlotte pick, & Mirotic. I don't want to lose any unless we can get a young all star back.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    And with regards to Mirotic & the Charlotte pick specifically -- now is not the time to move those assets even if they wanted to. Their value now is not nearly what it will be in 2-3 years.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    When are Rose's prime years, exactly?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Typically athletes peak around 28 or so, so I would say about the 4 years surrounding that year. That Derrick is playing so well now makes it quite scary to think of what he will be doing at 28. He's the youngest MVP ever. I don't think he's peaking early, he's just that special.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I think they peak earlier than that in the NBA. But I agree that Rose has not reached his peak.

  • In reply to TimS:

    Yeah, maybe by a year or two, but I'm also talking about the mental aspect of the game too.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I'd say 25-29 are typically an NBA players best years.

    However, with explosive high fliers like Rose, we've seen a lot of them burn out earlier. I wouldn't count on Derrick Rose being an NBA superstar past the age of 30.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    So does that apply to Wade?

  • In reply to TimS:

    Wade is absolutely in the class of player that I would be concerned about playing until he's 34 at a high level.

    However, teaming up with LeBron probably extends his career a couple years because the amount of heavy lifting work he has to do each game is cut in half.

    If the Bulls don't get a legitimate secondary star to play alongside Rose and create a significant portion of the offense then he's going to burn out Allen Iverson style.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I don't think it's fair to Rose to compare him to guys like Iverson though, because his attitude & work ethic is far greater. His prime may be until 29, but I expect him to transition into a different player as he ages, as he is already doing that slowly year by year. The great ones can do that, and I sure wouldn't doubt Derrick at this point.

    Also, I think Mirotic & the Charlotte pick will aid in acquiring the next young star of this team, either directly or indirectly. I think someone comes from that, and can help with the heavy lifting, & if we're lucky with the Charlotte pick, it has a chance of bringing us a young star that can carry us after Rose ages. Mirotic is a little over 2 years younger than Rose, & if the Charlotte pick comes in 2015, that player would likely be around 7 years younger than Derrick, just as he turns 27. A guy like Iguodala or Ginobili would really help right now.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I think someone like Kobe Bryant is a better comparison. He has the athleticism, but the desire & work ethic too. They both started playing at an elite level around the same age, Kobe hit his apex around 27/28, and has transitioned slightly after his body has aged, adding one of the best post games for a guard, and he understands the game better mentally & as a teammate too. Kobe's still playing at an elite level at 32 or 33.

    I know it's blasphemy, but a certain someone didn't start winning rings until 28, then continued to until 35. He transitioned as well.

    That's my point, you have to evolve, and the great ones do. Derrick Rose is a great one.

  • As per usual we Bulls fans keep dreaming about all the big names/moves the Bulls will make to bring star offensive talent to Chicago. And, adding the final talented pieces to put them over the top is a legit/cool discussion. But Its' the same talk every year. After year. Denying the reality of cheapness and anti-cubanism. Fans mumbling wait till' next/this year. It's like a play or something "Bleacher Bums" or what have you. But even excusing Jerry's tight purse for profits while no superstar draft bonanza surfaced, now t has. MVP spells Bulls guard Derrick Rose. ECF that was winnable. Very winnable. if not now to spend and reward the fans then when? Are we that big of suckers to put up with this shit if it doesn't happen. There is no next year or patient planning/five year plan from Gar/Pax. This shit/adding offensive talent needs to happen now.

    And yet what makes me doubt it will.. "I'd spend over the tax if a guy could bring us a championship." The same con job mantra he's been spewing for how many years now. What that utterance by Jerry is, is an escape clause. The kind of doublespeak that politicians use to enable their greedy, rat like existence feeding off the public. Vague, wiggle room qualifiers regarding spending and the cap. It's the same fan manipulation he's been doing the last decade while he raked in a $1,000,000,000. That's B for Billion. A Billion f-ing follars in profit. For the love of god when does the payback happen? If he does give Gar/Pax the green light on spending, and one or even amazingly two offensively talented guys join the fray, then all will be forgiven. Luxury Tax. Pay it. Pay up. Bulls fans best attendance in the league perrennially through largely dogshit are waiting.

    If the Bulls finally do spend over the cap/pay the tax and then pull off an unexpected coup, and bring in say two impact guys then will no they're for real. But again, from what we have to go on with J.R., It sounds like Derrick is a sure thing to resign(and you can't blame him for that much money/security). With all the profits and winning Rose enables I just don't see the incentive where Reinsdorf will spend. Unless "it's a sure thing."

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    anti-cubanism - I like that word

  • My spidey-sense tells me that the Bulls are looking to pull off a trade.

    With the exception of Butler and Nick Young (who probably isn't coming), most of the players the Bulls have talked to or talked about profile as backups and have skillsets similar to the Bulls trade-bait expirings:

    Josh Howard/Shane Battier: defensive wings-replacement for Brewer?

    Marco Bellinelli: Spot up shooter-replacement for Korver?

    T.J Ford: Backup PG- Replacement for CJ?

    Someone on Doug's Twitter feed mentioned a Ginobili-to-Bulls rumor. The Spurs play Moneyball as well as anybody so it's not impossible that they may be looking to shed salary to make a FA splash next year. Houston's GM is in the same mold and they're said to want Nene. Clearing Kevin Martin's salary could help.

    This is 100% speculation, but maybe, just maybe there's something to the fact that the Bulls are looking at guys who could replace their most easily tradeable assets.

  • In reply to Tyler Soze:

    My spidey sense is tingling as well. Began to feel it around the draft, They weren't focusing on 2 guards, and even Gar's comments made it seem like they had something in the works. I like your speculation -- Ginobili would be great in the sort term.

  • Crazy trade idea: Chris Paul to Bulls move Derrick to the two. Now you have two guys who demand double teams and both are skilled passers. Noah, Taj, Asik clean up. And Deng can fill in all the mid range nooks and crannies. Plus PauI is a good defender and Derriick and he can do some crazy guard/guard screen and rolls/dives. I know, crazy. What would we/Bulls even have that they would want? Plus Paul last year was not the same player. Has his knee recovered? But if so it would be like getting Monta Ellis the rich man's version. And I don't here anything about getting him which some would argue would be interesting as well. So the Bulls must have no interest in Paul right?.

    I just wish we'd get a second star/superstar any way we can. Think outside the box for any way to get him. D-Rose with a second offensive force/superstar would become a true killer(tandem). Two potent scoring guards with D would remind of the Detroit model.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Granted we would not have some of those bigs anymore since they would be returned in trade/value back i.e Noah/Asik/Taj.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Also Billups and Rip are both 6'4 so Paul and Rose would have to take turns having an oversized star scoring guard(D. Williams, Kobe) shoot right over them.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    I would not like Chris Paul on the team. He duplicates Rose's position and we definitely don't know how Rose will play without the ball for a full season. And Paul is injury prone to duplicate a skill set which the Bulls have. If he was a SG or a SF type, yeah ....definitely. But, not with his size and injuries.

    That said, the Bulls can use him in a 3 way deal and get the pieces they need by facilitating him. Maybe it can be Howard or maybe it is Eric Gordon or maybe it is Granger. They can help the Hornets by giving up a big or two and some picks and seize the opportunity if Paul wants to go to NY or Clippers.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    While Paul is the worst secondary star in the NBA to pair with Rose, I'd still do it if we could pull it off.

  • Saw this on a couple of sites....
    "Sources told ESPN.com that the Chicago Bulls and Los Angeles Lakers, despite possessing no cap space to bid for the 26-year-old swingman (Afflalo), will continue to press the Nuggets to see if they’re amenable to sign-and-trade discussions."

    I love all of the Bulls players but at some point, some of these assets are going to have to be used to upgrade other positions. I'm sure I'll get roasted on here, but I'd be open to a trade involving Asik if it got us Afflalo. I'm not sure what it might take but I'd be open to it...Asik + Brewer, Asik + Charlotte pick, etc. Some might say that Afflalo isn't the "elite" player that will get the Bulls past Miami, but they were so close last year that I believe all it will take is the player who is the perfect fit.

    Afflalo is the player we all wanted last season...Brewer's defense combined with Korver's 3pt shooting. We all wished we could mold Brewer and Korver into one player, well, Afflalo is that player. I think if you could get him for one of our bigs, I would do it. I personally value Gibson more and think we need him backing up Boozer. If we're able to get Kurt Thomas back, Asik is a little more expendable, but that's just my opinion.

  • In reply to NateTags:

    Absolutely. Bulls should be pitching a wide range of reasonable-not-excessive packages at Denver, especially since Affalo indicated he's interested in Chicago.

  • I am not sure about Affalo for all the discussion here. He is a great fit as a SG but the problem for the Bulls was not defense or even offense actually. It was creation of offense. Affalo will solve 50% of the Bulls problems but he is like a combo of Brewer/Korver in a way. That is still not enough to completely help Rose. I might be wrong but the bottom-line we need to look at is this: If Wade/LeBron/Bosh/Haslem/Chalmers are crowding Rose in turns with LeBron being the main guy, can Affalo create to make LeBron go away from Rose like how LeBron couldn't do to Nowitzki. Even a old ball handler like Kidd, Terry helped out kill that philosophy. FWIW, I would like Jamal Crawford with Thibs's training than Affalo

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Part of the problem in the ECF was that Wade & Lebron didn't have to respect Bogans, Brewer, and Korver cause none of them were hitting shots. Also, none of those guys were really two-way players, so they were hurting you on one end of the floor or the other. Afflalo is the two-way player that could replace the SG by committee of Bogans, Brewer, & Korver. The Wades and Lebrons of the league will have to respect Afflalo's shooting where they could just leave Bogans and Brewer and double Rose. Even if Korver is hitting his shots and they can't leave him alone, they can just abuse him on the other end of the floor where they couldn't do that with Afflalo because he's a solid defender.

  • In reply to NateTags:

    Agree that a two-way SG is the key. Absolutely. But that crunch time scoring difficulty we so often see is also exacerbated by the fact that Noah is a one-way player who doesn't need to be guarded, and Boozer tends to shrink in closing time as well.

    But a two-way SG (not a SF attempting to play SG) is key - yet also not easy to find.

  • Hi guys !! Glad to restart chating about basket-ball with you guys.

    In my opinion, bulls should go not only for the shouting guard who shoot well but who can also create the game for others. I'm talking about SG like James Harden or Jamal crawford. It would allow to Rose to play sometimes SG next a guy who can play the point.

    Therefore the best target for bulls are Hinrich and Jamal crawford. If I were bulls management I'd do everthing to get Hinrich back.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    deewaves!!! What's up man? Glad to see you back buddy!

    I think the Bulls need to set their sights a little higher than Kirk, though I do miss him some. Maybe with next year's MLE

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'm good and you ? it's been a while. I was dying during that lockout.
    So who would you pick for the SG position ?

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I was dying inside too buddy.

    I'm not sure what's realistic or attainable, but guys I like, somewhat in order, include:
    Iguodala
    Ginobili
    Afflalo
    Caron Butler
    Courtney Lee
    Jason Richardson
    Grant Hill
    JR Smith (still struggling with this one internally)

    Eric Gordon, Steph Curry or pretty much any young star level player, I would give up multiple assets for, though unlikely to happen.

  • Hey guys, or Doug, can anybody give me a hand

    Everytime that I hit the reply button it shuts down my browser, anybody else have this problem, I've had it since the site was reformatted.

    Helpfull hints appreciated, Thanks, BigWay

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Make sure that you have the latest version of adobe flash player. by the way which browser do you use ? Google chrome is the best browser, it's very light. try it.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    That's crazy. I've never heard of that, but I will forward your request on to the admins. What browser are you using?

  • I am using the latest version of internet explorer and update adobe flash player regularly. thanks

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