Kidnap Dwight Howard and force him to fall in love with us

Kidnap Dwight Howard and force him to fall in love with us

Dwight Howard doesn't want to come to Chicago. He doesn't want to play second fiddle to Derrick Rose, nor does he want to deal with the Chicago winter. As such, the Bulls need to set this up like a romantic comedy. We'll kidnap Dwight Howard, take him on a crazy adventure and have him fall in love with us.

This kidnapping will be a high cost operation. Unlike what Sam Smith had to say, the Bulls don't necessarily have the best package for Howard. He complains that Andrew Bynum is injury prone, but offers up Luol Deng and Joakim Noah?

The Clippers could throw in Eric Gordon, Aminu, DeAndre Jordan, and the Timberwolves 1st rounder. How do the Bulls top that? They probably don't.

The Bulls package? Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, Omer Asik, + Charlotte 1st + 2 Bulls 1sts + Brewer to take back Hedo + Howard? I'd imagine it looks something like that. Sign Caron Butler to the MLE. Vince Carter to the vet minimum. Bring back Bogans and Thomas.

The Bulls lineup afterwards?
Derrick Rose, Vince Carter, Caron Butler, Carlos Boozer, Dwight Howard

Bench: Kyle Korver, Taj Gibson, C.J. Watson, Keith Bogans, Jimmy Butler, Kurt Thomas

Like all romantic comedies, this adventure has a happy ending with the Bulls hoisting up their 7th championship trophy and a Grant Park celebration. After which, we'll merely have to hope that Dwight Howard decides that being an NBA champion isn't so bad and that he'd be foolish to leave.

Of course, our romantic comedy could just as easily turn into a Greek tragedy. The Bulls trade for Howard, don't win the championship next season, and Howard decides to bolt for the warm winters of Los Angelas to play with the Clippers and Chris Paul. The Bulls are now left with no assets after trading them all away to get Howard in the first place.

Assuming Orlando would accept our offer, and quite honestly, I don't think they would, do you take that kind of risk as Gar Forman? If successful, you have a potential dynasty. If not, you have potentially blown up half of Derrick Rose's prime.

Yes.

You go for it. You pair up Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose for a season with no assurances of anything. If Dwight Howard wants to leave then you force him to sign with the Clippers who have a racist owner and play second fiddle to the Lakers. You refuse to S&T him anywhere under any circumstances and see if any of the teams with cap room are really more appealing to him than the Chicago Bulls.

Odds are, he may not fall in love with Chicago, but he'll at least fall deeply in like with it, and he'll know if he sticks around for four years that he'll be almost guaranteed to win at least one ring which won't be true in any other destination he goes to.

Dwight Howard doesn't want to come here. Convention wisdom says as a GM that you don't give up half your roster trying to change his mind, but this is Dwight Howard, and if the gambit works it means a dynasty. It's something you go for if the option is on the table.

All that said, I don't see how the Bulls beat the Clippers in a bid for Howard.

[props to HomoSapien from realgm for coining the kidnap Dwight Howard and forcing him to fall in love with us phrase].

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  • Not sure if numbers would work. I'm just throwing stuff out there.

    Bulls get:

    Howard
    Arenas
    Hedo

    Orlando gets:

    Noah
    Deng
    Boozer
    Gibson
    Picks

  • In reply to Vedo:

    No, we will only give them 2 of these 3 players ( Noah, boozer and deng). And obviously they won't give us both arenas and hedo.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    this is not even remotely worth it for the bulls... we basically take on two bad contracts and howard and give away two fringe all-stars, an all-star and a sixth man... how does this help us?

  • I'd probably take Noah's injuries over Bynum's bad knee and bad attitude. I don't expect Noah to break his thumb again and plantar fasciitis is season debilitating not career deteriorating. I know it can come back, but I'm not concerned about that. Although, the ankle injury is troublesome. Anyways, this whole Dwight Howard and cold weather issue is frustrating. Didn't he grow up in Philadelphia? Grow a pair dude. It's ten years of your career. Keep your damn summer home in Orlando.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    *Torn ligament not broken thumb. K.C. is having a good interview on the score.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    I agree, Bynum's injuries seem to be more chronic. I also agree with Dough, the Clippers can put together a package better than the Bulls. I look at a team like Minnesota even, and they have some attractive young pieces as well, of course, what Howard wants himself is of the utmost importance here. Could both he & Paul want to play for the worst owner in all of sports?

    Doug, what do you think the most likely destinations are for Howard (in order)? I know he is said to want a warm weather city, but my #1 is Brooklyn. The Russian billionaire has to be getting worried about Deron Williams leaving for nothing. I could see a swap with Chris Paul, assuming Paul would agree to reup, then with cap space next year they could sign Howard outright.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    No kidding, we're talking about afew months when he would be indoors working most of the time anyways, and they spend half their time traveling to other cities. For 3-4 months out of the year he can live anywhere in the world, and then retire anywhere in the world, and do it with about 6 rings on his fingers.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    Especially when New Jersey is amongst the rumored destinations. Last time I checked New Jersey is cold too, plus they also have a superstar PG, so he wouldn't completely be the man. He must have a problem with Rose if he doesn't want to play here.

  • In reply to nolebron:

    Doubt he'd go to NJ either.

  • In reply to nolebron:

    I really think he is jealous of Rose. Maybe because they're both with adidas & Rose is the new one, & with the better team?

  • First of all, sorry for my english but it is my third language... I'm a polish Bulls fan and what can I tell ? NBA changed face, Bulls will have a chance for next ring and dynasty, when GarPax make new super team with second star only, Howard won't stay in Orlando for sure, so he will go to LA (maybe with Paul or D-Will). What it means for Bulls ? No chance for ring in near future (Miami will be stronger then previous year also). We must to try, use all possible ways to get Howard. Without that, we will stay solid but nothing more... The climate is changing, so maybe winters will be lighter in Chicago. If not, kidnap him :)

  • In reply to jaet:

    looool i like your last sentence. "The climate is changing, so maybe winters will be lighter in Chicago."

    Anyway you're completly right. Jamal crawford and Butler will improve the team but it won't still be enough to beat the Heat. Bulls have to make something big happens (Howard or Monta ellis).

  • I completly agree with you doog. Bulls should try to grab Howard. You know what they said : nothing ventured, nothing gained. They must at least offer Magic something to see how they react. Rose (best PG) + Howard (best center) ! 2 super athletic players ! 2 players young players who never get injured !
    For sure they will destroy everything. I wouldn't care whether Vince and Butler sign or not. Bulls'd win several champhionship even with scalabrine as a starting SF !

    If Magic refuse, I'd go for Monta ellis.

  • Wow Doug. I think this is the first time I've vehemently disagreed with anything you've written. There is no way in hell I would do this deal without an extension. Assurances won't cut it, Boozer gave the Cavs assurances and we saw how that worked out.

    I could see it if we were like the Lakers, with our star getting old, and looking to make one more run, but that's not where we are. There's enough potential internal improvement to be had that, with a SG upgrade, the Bulls could still be a championship squad. I wouldn't blow that up for a potential superstar rental. After the problems Miami had integrating their talent, there's no guarantee that we'd be good enough to lure D 12 to stay.

  • In reply to Tyler Soze:

    a SG upgrade isn't enough to win a champiomship. you're talking about "integrating talent". How could Rose and Howard not work ? a combination of a big man and a perimeter player has always worked.

  • In reply to Tyler Soze:

    Howard and Rose wouldn't even need to practice to gel. Of course Thibs would work the hell out of them, but this isn't the Wade LeBron senario. Howard doesn't dribble the ball down court. Rose does and will set-up the high/low game with ease.

  • Speaking of K.C.(Johnson) whom I know Doug likes/respects as a somewhat colleague(different media venues), but often he does have the ear of Bulls management(for better or for worse). While I do think he's a company ho and detestably cocky/smirky, when he changes his tune from Bulls will not use the M.L.E., and likely stand relatively pat, to Bulls actively pursuing all the top FA wings/SG's you take notice.

    Usually, as all good journalists will do, he titillates you with dream scenarios of star talent landing in Chicago, only to throw water on any fire/excitement with little caveats soemwhere in the article quashing the possibility of such dynamic moves/acquisitions. I see no quashing here.

    It can be said that the due diligence game can and has been played simply to in a sense quench fans thirst for infusion of new talent. "Well at least we had the sense or vision that we might get one of these guys." Think of the uproar from fans if we hadn't at least "tried." And then they sit back, and do nothing. That's a good scam many publicly oriented businesses and politicians use.

    But the rest of the national media seems to be following along so far. Again, they've have done so in the past as well i.e LeBron to Chicago rumors. Still, it's better to have J-Rich, Butler, and even Dwight Howard buzz going on then silence. Though with Howard you'd hate to send Noah if he completely regains his form, but you'd have to. And it would seem we'd have to hope they value Mirotic and the Charlotte pick and/or we'd have to acquire a higher pick from somebody else?

    I'm going to assume Orlando would not trade until well into the season/closer to the deadline. Is Bynum healthy and scoring/putting up numbers? Joakim Noah looked like a burgeoning star/excellent big very impactful of winning then fell off the map. Is he returning to a high level of play or continuing his descent into mediocrity/irrelevance? Eric Gordon(and DeAndre Jordan) especially the former having another terrific season cementing himself as a difference making SG?

    What do the Bulls do until trading time? Do they make their roster/options most amenable to a Howard Trade. Even find out what the trade talk is/what Orlando is looking for, and try to put together that package regardless of how that effects the current teams makeup/future? Or do they just say - "Hey, if we can offensively retool now, and somehow land two guys(J-Rich, Caron, Tayshaun Prince, Grant Hill etc.) do they do that? Do they say hey, "We need a second dynamic/star scorer period like a Monta Ellis, and with Thibs D we'll work out the detail later just get the star"? Or something radical as D-Williams/Chris Paul, and Derrick Moves to the two where predictable doubles will be soemwhat if not largely a thing of the past? I know people will balk at the last option(if not all of them).

    If this were Dallas or some other make it happen franchise you'd be wondering about all these things. They picked up Butler, J-Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tyson Chandler etc But this is the Bulls. I for one will be praying simply they that do Something i.e bring in some potent scoring forces period that we are in dire need of IMO. Finding any way through trade and M.L.E to get scorers guys such as J-Rich, Prince, Afflalo or if not then before the season is over bring in a second scoring star Ellie etc. One or the other. But please bring Derrick/Bulls fans some help.

  • In reply to RoadWarrior:

    Sam Smith did make one excellent point with regards to the timing of any deal -- it would surely come after the all star game, being held in Orlando this year.

  • forget howard. trade boozer for ben gordon

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    In reply to mepeterser2451:

    Do you remember the Bulls before. How does this help? Boozer is much closer to being a wash with Bosh than Gordon is vs Wade.

  • I think like everyone says he has his heart and warm weather blood set on hollywood but you never know how things can change. I'm looking at the Miami heat's moves, looks like they are not going hard for dalembert and instead plan on getting a quality wing that can shoot open 3s. They also put it out there they plan on using Bosh at center, Lebron at power forward for a more athletic fast lineup. The Bulls have to keep their eyes on this. One of the major problems for the Bulls last year was lack of athleticism on the wings. We need studs that can run and gun with Derrick.

  • In reply to Defense&Rebound13:

    Dalembert is way out of their price range

  • How bout management thinks outside the box a bit...put together a package built around Noah for Chris Paul, move D-Rose over to the 2. Throw in the charlotte pick and the European kid if you have to. The bulls have enough front court depth to lose Noah and hold their own for the most part. NO gets a legit young center at a reasonable salary along with some legitimate assets. I just cant see whatever the Lakers have to offer being close to what NO could get for Paul in the open market.

  • In reply to MNBullsFan:

    Wake up man. Rose and Chris Paul together ?? None of the them would accept that. Neither would I

  • I see the Warriors getting mentioned as a sleeper in the Howard sweepstakes, is this possible? I know new ownership wants to make a splash. Sending him out west would make sense. Any way we could get Steph Curry?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    What are we going to do with 2 point guard ?? If not I'd rather have Monta Ellis

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Curry is a combo guard. It would be a smallish backcourt, but Curry is younger & better than Ellis. Shoots about 100x better, plays better D. His ball handling could take pressure off Rose at times.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    No, Ellis is a better defender. He is more explosive and he draws more fouls. Don't get me wrong he is also a combo guard. The only thing Curry does better is shooting 3's.

    But it sounds like you agree with me that the bulls need more a combo guard than a SG who can only shoot. That's why on Free Agency I only like Crawford and Afflalo. We should really try to Hinrich back.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I do agree with that, and would like Kirk back next year. Curry is a better shooter from everywhere on the court. From the guard position he put up about 44%/93%/48%...insane. Evaluating defense is highly subjective, but I think Curry is better fundamentally and takes less risks. Curry almost certainly would fit better with Rose, being the more efficient one.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Why do we have to wait next year to get Hinrich ?

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I guess you could trade for him now, but it will cost them a player, plus he is out for a couple of months, and you're going to need him with the condensed schedules & back to back to backs. I'd just as soon sign him as a free agent next year.

  • Want a good laugh?

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7321631/sources-los-angeles-lakers-want-dwight-howard-chris-paul

    Chris Broussard, quite possibly the biggest talking head at ESPN.

    "Whether the Lakers are able to make it happen remains to be seen, but with stars Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom on the roster, they have the talent and the financial capacity to make the trades work."

    Oh really Chris? Talent? Gasol, Bynum and Odom are enough for Paul & Howard? What are you smoking? Financial capacity? Kobe is set to make 25 million this year, 28 million next year and 30 million the year after that. Do the math! The only way this trade happens is if Kobe is included. Probably a good move for LA. Replace Kobe with Paul and Howard? Bulls act as third team in the trade and aquire Kobe? I will dream. However, Kobe's contract still sucks, and I wouldn't want to pay it.

    All in all, I can't stand Chris Broussard. It's like once he got a taste of the Miami leak he needs more. Lets speculate more BS and lead the viewers on.

  • I gotta be honest....kinda like LeBron, I dont like Howard at all...he cracks under pressure and hurts his team with technicals, he's just a DBag...I'd rather roll with our Bigs and upgrade the SG as much as possible. Winning will be that much sweeter.

    So a nice big GFY to Howard

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    Really, you dont like Howard because he cracks under pressure but you like Lebron??? Did you watch the finals last year? Or the Cleveland/Boston series the year before? If there's one thing Lebron has total mastery of, its cracking under pressure in big moments.

  • In reply to MNBullsFan:

    +100. lol. Lebron is more weak mentally than Howard.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    + 100! Yeah

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    Looking forward to his reply later in the week about possibly being with the Bulls. But realistically, He could go to the Clippers and play with Blake Griffin and Chris Paul. Would get to define that franchise and get to play in warm weather(assuming that really is that important to him.) Would love to have him but and more focused on more likely SG acquisition.

  • Like everyone, I am intrigued by the idea of Dwight Howard on the Bulls. But I have a question to ask everyone, “How many rings did Dwight Howard win in Orlando?”

    See? Acquiring Howard is not an automatic championship! With Howard and Rose paired there still are missing elements:

    Wing Scoring and Defense – Deng’s steady play at SF will be missed, but we know you have to give up something to get something. But we replace that with Caron Butler, Hedo Turkoglu, and Vince Carter while keeping Kyle Korver instead of Brewer? Seriously? Age and poor defense won’t win a ring. Bulls team defense would be shattered and Howard can’t guard 3 opponents at once. At the very least I would keep Brewer and trade Korver. Korver has shown he cannot compete deep in the playoffs while Brewer can. But Bulls would still be very weak on the wings and that would need to be improved considerably before championships would result. How to improve the wings?

    Frontline Depth – It is frontline depth that wins championships, not simply one stud center. Look how the absence of backup center Marcin Gortat hurt Orlando last season. Remember how Kendrick Perkins, Rasheed Wallace, and Baby Davis overwhelmed Howard the year before? So how can Bulls give up both Noah and Asik? Answer: They can’t! They can only give up Noah and one of our PFs (Boozer/Gibson) which leaves Bulls weak at PF, but that could theoretically be addressed easier than backup center. But still Bulls would need to add an additional big and its not Kurt Thomas.

    Team Age - Bulls would have gotten considerably older trading away four mid-20s players and adding Hedo Turkoglu, Caron Butler, Vince Carter. How do Bulls retool for Rose and Howard if all draft picks and young prospects have been traded away?

    All three of these areas would need to be improved after a blockbuster Howard trade if Bulls were to win multiple championships with Howard and Rose. But Bulls would have lost the flexibility and draft picks to make the necessary improvements so this blockbuster trade could easily fall short.

    The reason the Pau Gasol blockbuster trade put that Lakers in 3 consecutive NBA Finals is Lakers weren’t left with holes in their lineup. Bulls would have major holes to fill before multiple championships would result from a Howard trade.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Orlando couldn't care less about Boozer, Deng, Korver, and Brewer. The only reason any of those would players would be included in a trade would be for salary purposes, i.e. so we could take on Turkoglu, Arenas, or both. It's true we'd have holes to fill in any case, but that's a side issue. There are a number of ways to fill the SF spot if Orlando wanted Deng for Hedo (Josh Howard, Caron Butler, Grant Hill, etc.). And we'd only need another center if Orlando took both Noah and Asik, which seems unlikely. Same goes for SG. We'd only have a hole at the two-guard if Orlando takes two SG's (Brewer AND Korver, say) and doesn't send us any (Arenas).

    Obviously this is all insane speculation (I think Dwight will end up on the Clippers), but here are the assets I think Orlando would actually want to acquire, in the order they'd want them. They'd be rebuilding, so youth and potential trump everything else. Obviously they'd only get a handful of these.

    Noah
    Asik
    Mirotic
    Charlotte pick
    Gibson
    our own 1st-round picks
    our own 2nd-round picks
    Butler
    Watson
    Deng
    Boozer
    Korver
    Brewer

  • In reply to Edward:

    Very good analysis Edward, trading for Howard would indeed leave some major holes to fill. All of this Howard trade talk by Bulls fans is nothing but a fantasy. The guy does not want to play for the Bulls, so I say move on and concentrate on what the Bulls really need and that's a shooting guard and possibly another wing player that can score when needed. Howard more than likely will be traded to the west cause I'm sure the Magic's management aren't that stupid to trade him to a team in the east. The teams I think Howard will be traded to... the Lakers, Clippers, OKC, or New Orleans. All the Bulls need is better perimeter scorers and they will be just fine. That's the only thing separating them from beating Miami. There's no way I take a chance on Howard without him signing an extension and end up like N J Nets cause Derron Williams is out of there when his contract is up next year.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    What's up Reesel ? How are you ? It's been a while !!

    A simple improvement at the SG positon isn't enough to bea tthe miami heat. Look what i replied to Edward

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I'm good deewaves, I hope all is well with you. I understand what you're trying to say with Rose and Howard on the same team but the Bulls need perimeter scoring, that's how they lost to the Heat in the playoffs... they could not score.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Wing Defense : With Thibodeau any nba team would be in the top 5 defense.

    Wing scoring :When you have Rose and Howard who can both be 25 ppg, you can't worry about scoring. They both need double-teams so the 3 others players will only have to be 10 ppg at most.

    Team ages : What matter is the age of the nucleus. Rose and Howard are young and are rarely injured.

    Thus yes the bulls could win the champhionsip from this season.

  • In reply to Edward:

    You don't get by far the most dominant defensive force in the game today to then worry about how you're going to surround him with defensive minded guys. If you have Dwight Howard you have the defense sorted, he's a top 3 defense by himself (3rd, 3rd, and 1st the previous three seasons surrounded by defensively garbage players in Orlando). So I would look to sign offensive players around him and not worry at all about the defense.

    Depth is also less important with Howard, given he's missed 7 games in 7 years. Howard is playing every game, you don't need a good backup center with him on the roster. Kurt Thomas would be perfectly adequate.

    Age/lack of potential is an issue, but I think you'd be looking at a Howard and Rose core with a rotating cast of older guys willing to ring chase on the cheap, not building a starting 5 that last you half a decade together. Not ideal, but I don't really see how the Bulls can put themselves in a situation to get a second star without going down that path.

  • In reply to Shakes:

    Let's see... Dwight Howard as defensive anchor with the remaining players not too concerned with defense. Not concerned with depth, but accepting a rotating cast of ring chasers.

    You've just described Orlando and their string of NBA championships. No Thanks. While Howard is an amazing physical specimen, few acknowledge the shortcomings in his game and character. I'd like Howard on the Bulls, but I wouldn't breakup the team to get him. Fortunately, I doubt Bulls management would either.

  • I like doing a S&T with Afflalo give him 4yrs/$40.26M (maybe Korver and 2 #1's (2012 & 2014) would do it). Then use the MLE on a Grant Hill or Caron Butler to spell Afflalo/Deng at the 2/3 for about 30 MPG.

  • In reply to nolebron:

    I agree, overpay for Afflalo should be option #1. Bill Simmons spells out how weak the SG situation is in the league and how 10 million a year wouldn't even really be overpaying in his column today.

    That said I think it'll be hard to get him out of Denver's hands.

  • Predictions (just so I can have them in writing)...

    Bulls sign Richardson
    Clippers trade for Howard
    Lakers trade for CP3 and sign Nene

  • If I were Gar Forman. Here it's what I will do before the season get started :

    1. Sign Carter, Richardon or Crawford just to have one more trade asset
    2. Try to trade for Howard by giving up Noah and boozer or Noah and deng
    3. If Orlando refuse, try to trade for Ellis by giving up Noah and brewer
    4. If 2 and 3 doesn't work, try to get Hinrich back

  • I hate this Howard speculation as a Bulls fan. I wish they had fixed this nonsense in the CBA. These guys are not normal working folks. If you are a true superstar, have some patience and try to win. As much as I would like Howard to come to the Bulls, it will mean that the Bulls have to take a step back for a couple of years until we get the right pieces and Orlando is screwed(although they are in big trouble even now)
    Didn't Shaq and Kobe win in their 5th year after he joined the Lakers and that too mostly because there was really no opposing super teams after MJ retired.
    Realistically, Howard/Rose combo will need a minimum of 2/3 years to get all the correct pieces. And they have to face Miami where Howard really doesn't help Rose in terms of ball handling.
    Look at NY...they gave up everything for Melo and they will be a great 2nd round exit team for the next few years as they cannot get depth.

    Bottomline, it is looking like a "tantrum" league than a professional league.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    To add to that, I think the biggest worry is kind of what happened last off-season with LeBron, Wade etc.. The Bulls kept chasing the big fish and didn't pull of any trades earlier or didn't go for a big sell on somebody better than Bogans, Brewer etc..
    Look like that's happening with Caron Butler now.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    But as you said yesterday, they are holding onto their assets until Howard is off the board. Wasn't that you?

  • In reply to Chicagosportsguru:

    That was me and I did say that probably GarPax are in this catch-22 situation. I don't envy them. They have too hold on to their assets because if Howard wants to come to the Bulls, they shouldn't look stupid. I guess this is a game they have to play.
    I am more troubled by this player driven tantrums which can screw up franchises in a way. LeBron and Wade basically screwed the Bulls and Knicks.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I Agree, Howard is only a good acquisition if Bulls don't have to destroy their roster and assets to get him. As I wrote above, if you have to give up too much then, just as you say, it will take 2-3 years to assemble the necessary pieces around Howard and Rose and even then it might not be possible to assemble the pieces.

    Luckily, Bulls won't engage in such folly. They will hold their course and upgrade the SG. This is all fantasy league type talk.

    Furthermore, while Howard is physically a beast, he himself has serious holes in his game and character. He's no automatic champion, far from it in fact.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I don't know about you but I enjoy the fact that if I want to I can attempt to find employment elsewhere. I think NBA players should enjoy the same right. So although as a fan I don't like the idea of superteams like Miami, as a human being I sympathise with guys like Dwight Howard and think if he's not happy in Orlando he should have every right to move on.

  • In reply to Shakes:

    They are not in ordinary professions and they are not middle of the range players. They are supposed to be the in the top 5 of the league. They need to have patience to win and understand the NBA. It is very rare for even a superstar to win in his first 5/6 years and Howard didn't even go to college. His understanding of the game has to happen and the FO has to figure out who complements him. But, the bottomline is this will eventually lead to death of small market franchises which you really need for the game to expand

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    The idea that the top players should have even less freedom is absurd. They ARE they league. People want to watch the Dwight Howards of the league, not the Keith Bogans. The top players generate so much more for the league than they get paid, I think it's only fair they should have some sort of choice in the team they play for.

    As for the death of the small market teams, bring it on. The league would be better off without the said Keith Bogans type players in rotation roles. If you shrink the number of teams then the average quality of the league goes up, so I'm all for it.

  • Another sign today that JR has grown sick of ponying up money to fund the White Sox's failing roster.

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7323011/chicago-white-sox-trade-sergio-santos-toronto-blue-jays-nestor-molina

    Any cost cutting(rebuilding) moves we see out of the White Sox organization, is a good thing for Bulls fans. And probably for White Sox fans in the long run as well. JR is smarter than all of us, he knows opportunity when he sees it. And he will pay to turn his legacy as a great Chicago owner, to a great owner on a National scale as he grows old. He cares about what he leaves behind, if he could have done it with a few more ships with the Sox he would have, he tried really. Now he knows his best chance is spending more on his Bulls. Thank God for Derrick Rose and those lovely ping pong balls.

  • Scrolling down this I'm seeing a lot of people massively undervaluing Boozer... guys, we've seen his worst and its still an 18-10 player. Give me a break; we're not going to throw him into deals like it's just dumping a contract.

  • In reply to samlearner:

    +100

  • Dang, Bulls open up with a 4 game Western trip, over 6 days.

    Jan 6-11 they play 5 games in 6 nights, then a day off, then back-to-back, day off, back-to-back. 11 games in 16 nights during that stretch!

    9 game road trip near the beginning of February, followed immediately by 6 straight at home.

    Among the Western teams we play twice:
    Memphis (including the annual MLK game), Sacramento, & New Orleans

    We play Miami 4 times, the first on 1/29, on the road.

    Only 1 set of 3 games in 3 nights.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    19 games in January... that's a hell of a lot of basketball we get to watch right away!

  • It's often been said that Jerry has funded his true hobby, the White Sox, by the profitability of the Bulls. Well, since 05' have they won a playoff series? Ozzie certainly crapped all over that nest this season but good. And Kenny aka Billy Dee Williams II signed every swinging.. bat in FA etc. available Dunn, Peavy, Rios etc. to little avail. And the fans abandoned them in droves with attendance at a new low.

    So will a dissapointed/jilted Jerry now pull in the purse strings for the Bulls as he's forecast to do with the Sox? If long term profit is the goal how much would loyal fans be alienated by a second chance at glory/a championship only to have the Bulls go on the cheap? It would be a risk unless he views forever loyal Bulls fans as complete patsies/enablers. It sounds like the Bulls are going to pursue/spend the full M.L.E. Does that mean a green light for Gar/Pax to pursue any trade/major talent upgrade going at least moderately into the tax with the Boozer amnesty escape clause available when needed/if necessary?

    If the Bulls are in a green light position, and some impactful/"blockbuster" opportunity arises then it will be interesting to see what happens. Is Noah still regarded as untouchable? How about Taj and Omer if someone wants a three way deal/both are in demand. What about a three way deal as some have offered that scenario for Monta Ellis or an Eric Gordon(unlikely)? How radically will Gar/Pax be willing to alter the lineup/chemistry etc?

    We know Gar/Pax have been unwilling to part with talent/almost anal in their conservatism. Will they take a chance for a championship? And will any "blockbuster" wait until value is re-established/futures decided by mid-season/close to the trade deadline. Make a deal now/tie your hands or hope for something much more impactful to arise near the deadline??

  • Funnily enough I find Vince Carter signing for the vet minimum is more unlikely than the kidnap Howard and have him suffer Stockholm syndrome part of the article.

  • Funny, I spent all of last night reading every scrap of Howard rumors that I could find. I came away thinking the same thing that you did, the bulls should throw caution to the wind and go all in for Howard as soon as possible.

    First, We should all be rooting for the Lakers to get Chris Paul, for 2 reasons, the only way they get him is if they give up Bynum, which elimanates the Lakers as players for Howard, and with Paul on the Lakers, Howard and Paul cannot engineer a deal to land on the same team.

    With the Lakers out of the way, it comes down to the Clippers, who even with Blake Griffin have to overcome their Clipperness, and the other good weather cities, maybe Phoenix, Dallas, Houston and Miami if they offer Lebron.

    The Bulls have to be the favorite in the bad weather city division, for 2 reasons, we have Rose and we can offer the best deal for Orlando.

    I propose Deng, Noah, Boozer, and 2 or 3 #1's(12, 14 & 16) for Howard, Brandon Bass and TurkeyGlue. that offer is at least in the discusion with the Clippers best offer. Then we use our MLE on Battier, Butler or Hill, and wait for next season to solve the 2 guard issue. Or maybe we can still pull off a dea for Iggy, can you immediately trade an MLE guy?

    I don't think that you can amnesty a traded player so we are stuck with TurkeyGlue, maybe Thibs can get him to quit smoking during games at least.

    Bulls start Rose, Brewer/or Korver, Battier or Hill, Howard and Gibson.

    Bulls bench, Asik, Bass, TurkeyGlue, Watson and Brewer or Korver, Butler and Kurt Thomas.

    I don't think that Orlando will trade Howard before the season starts, they will wait until the last second at the trade deadline, but the Bulls offer gives Orlando a complete starting front court which combined with what they have left is still a 50 win playoff team. With Bynum and Paul out of the picture that might be the best that they can do.

    Come on Lakers/Hornets, get busy

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