Mediation yields 16 hours of talks, little progress, and another meeting

Mediation yields 16 hours of talks, little progress, and another meeting

Well, assuming they weren't playing PS3 for 10 of the 16 hours, this was the most serious negotiating session the players and owners have had to date. It lasted well until 2 am EST and is scheduled to start up again at 10am this morning.

Unfortunately, per Adrian Wojnarowski, the leaks about progress are minimal.

“still not anywhere near a deal,” a league source said.
...
Asked if the sides had closed any gaps between them, a source in the meeting told Y! Sports: “On small stuff. Hard to see where this is going.”

Ken Berger's take is a bit more optimistic:

"Nothing has been agreed to," said a person who was briefed on the talks. "There was nothing to say."
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Negotiators rehashed the issues they've been wrestling with for more than two years, with the difference being that Cohen, according to a source, "took the emotion out of it."
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Cohen, a presidential appointee and the top federal mediator in the country, was at least able to do something that the two sides had been unable to do during a recent flurry of negotiations: focus on bridging the gap between them as opposed to concentrating on their own, still widely divergent positions, a source said.

At one point late into the night, it was decided that the two sides needed to come back later Wednesday -- a session that is expected to decide whether the change of format and removal of emotion will yield movement in each side's position. A person with knowledge of the talks described Tuesday's session as laying the "building blocks" for Wednesday.

So to sum it up, everyone agrees nothing was immediately resolved, and there was no real movement between the sides positions. Things were set up last night for both sides to sleep on it and attempt to make a move today.

It's certainly a positive that the emotions were taken out of the talks, and both sides were able to meet for this length of time in an attempt to work through a conclusion. We'll just have to hope that one of the sides comes into the meeting tomorrow in a conciliatory mood.

Many have used this phrase before, but if things don't go well now, things are about to get a whole lot worse. I'm not sure how long George Cohen will attempt to mediate talks, but if an agreement is not reached under his mediation then things are about to get real ugly.

Cohen has killed the emotion over the topics and has the sides at least talking calmly. If they can't reach an agreement under those circumstances, they'll have dug into their positions too far to reach anything reasonable soon.

While Stern may or may not have meant it as a threat, his comments on the likelihood of the league not playing on Christmas if they can't come to an agreement through mediation will almost certainly be accurate. A failure of the mediation process will cease attempts at rational negotiation and bring up the war of attrition.

Each side will simply hope to wait out the other side. Each side will initially begin to take back things already on the table in an attempt to make up the gap of what they lose in the war of attrition stage. Each side will dig in even stronger into their position as the negotiation becomes a test of manhood rather than a business decision.

In a rational world we'd have an agreement through mediation. In a rational world, both sides would know they're making things worse rather than better with their holdouts. Both sides would see the money left on the table stacking up higher and higher.

Let's hope George Cohen can bring them into that rational world today.

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  • Well here is the 2011 Free Agent listing I found:

    2011 NBA Free Agent List
    Since we don't have one, I'd thought it's time to start one. Here's a comprehensive list.

    Point Guard
    (name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
    Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns - $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
    Andre Miller, Portland Trail Blazers - $7.3 million – Team Option ($7.8 million)
    Mo Williams, LA Clippers - $9.3 million – Early Termination Option ($8.3 million)
    Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets - $2.0 million – Team Option ($2.1 million)
    Leandro Barbosa, Toronto Raptors - $7.1 million – Player Option ($7.6 million)
    Rodney Stuckey, Detroit Pistons - $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.9 million Qualifying Offer)
    T.J. Ford, Indiana Pacers - $8.5 million – Unrestricted
    Carlos Arroyo, Boston Celtics - $1.2 million – Unrestricted
    Ronnie Price, Utah Jazz - $1.3 million - Unrestricted
    Patrick Mills, Portland Trail Blazers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Sasha Vujacic, New Jersey Nets - $5.5 million – Unrestricted
    Sebastian Telfair, Minnesota Timberwolves - $2.7 million – Unrestricted
    Luther Head, Sacramento Kings - $1.0 million - Unrestricted
    Charlie Bell, Golden State Warriors - $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($4.1 million)
    Willie Green, New Orleans Hornets - $4.0 million - Unrestricted
    Mario Chalmers, Miami HEAT - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Jason Williams, Memphis Grizzlies - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
    Earl Watson, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million - Unrestricted
    Pooh Jeter, Sacramento Kings - $0.5 million – Team Option ($0.8 million)
    Jose Barea, Dallas Mavericks - $1.7 million – Unrestricted
    Sundiata Gaines, Minnesota Timberwolves - $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
    Chris Quinn, San Antonio Spurs - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
    Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder - $1.1 million - Unrestricted
    Marcus Banks, New Orleans Hornets - $4.9 million - Unrestricted
    Earl Boykins, Milwaukee Bucks - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
    Anthony Carter, Denver Nuggets - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
    Acie Law, Golden State Warriors - $0.7 million - Unrestricted
    John Lucas, Chicago Bulls - $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
    Ben Uzoh, New Jersey Nets - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
    Shooting Guard
    (name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
    Ray Allen, Boston Celtics - $10.0 million – Player Option ($10.0 million)
    Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic - $14.4 million - Unrestricted
    Jamal Crawford, Atlanta Hawks - $10.1 million – Unrestricted
    Arron Afflalo, Denver Nuggets - $2.0 million – Restricted ($2.9 million Qualifying Offer)
    Wilson Chandler, Denver Nuggets - $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
    Shannon Brown, L.A. Lakers - $2.1 million – Player Option ($2.4 million)
    C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz - $3.7 million – Team Option ($3.7 million)
    J.R. Smith, Denver Nuggets - $6.0 million – Unrestricted
    DeShawn Stevenson, Dallas Mavericks - $4.2 million – Unrestricted
    Mike Dunleavy, Indiana Pacers - $10.6 million – Unrestricted
    Chris Douglas-Roberts, Milwaukee Bucks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Nick Young, Washington Wizards - $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
    Sonny Weems, Toronto Raptors - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Mo Evans, Washington Wizards - $2.5 million – Unrestricted
    Daequan Cook, Oklahoma City Thunder - $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
    Anthony Parker, Cleveland Cavaliers - $2.9 million – Unrestricted
    Eddie House, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million – Player Option ($1.4 million)
    Marquis Daniels, Boston Celtics - $2.5 million – Unrestricted
    Marcus Thornton, Sacramento Kings - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
    Morris Peterson, Oklahoma City Thunder - $6.2 million - Unrestricted
    Roger Mason, New York Knicks - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
    Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets - $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
    Gary Forbes, Denver Nuggets - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
    Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks - $18.3 million - Unrestricted
    Delonte West, Boston Celtics - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
    Stephen Graham, New Jersey Nets - $1.0 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
    Dominic McGuire, Charlotte Bobcats - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
    Alonzo Gee, Washington Wizards - $0.6 million – Unrestricted*
    Jeremy Lin, Golden State Warriors - $0.5 million – Team Option ($0.8 million)
    Von Wafer, Boston Celtics - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
    Small Forward
    (name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
    Caron Butler, Dallas Mavericks - $10.8 million – Unrestricted
    Thaddeus Young, Philadelphia 76ers - $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
    Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns - $3.2 million - Unrestricted
    Tayshaun Prince, Detroit Pistons – $11.1 million – Unrestricted
    Shane Battier, Memphis Grizzlies - $7.4 million - Unrestricted
    Reggie Williams, Golden State Warriors - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
    James Jones, Miami HEAT - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
    Al Thornton, Golden State Warriors - $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.9 million Qualifying Offer)
    Jason Kapono, Philadelphia 76ers - $6.6 million - Unrestricted
    Josh Howard, Washington Wizards - $3.0 million - Unrestricted
    Rasual Butler, Chicago Bulls - $2.4 million - Unrestricted
    Jamario Moon, LA Clippers - $3.0 million – Unrestricted
    Julian Wright, Toronto Raptors - $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
    Peja Stojakovic, Dallas Mavericks - $14.3 million - Unrestricted
    Earl Clark, Orlando Magic - $1.9 million – Unrestricted
    Kelenna Azubuike, New York Knicks - $3.3 million - Unrestricted
    Quinton Ross, New Jersey Nets - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
    Shawne Williams, New York Knicks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
    Ime Udoka, San Antonio Spurs - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
    Vladimir Radmanovic, Golden State Warriors - $6.9 million - Unrestricted
    Joey Graham, Cleveland Cavaliers - $1.0 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
    Jawad Williams, Cleveland Cavaliers - $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
    Rodney Carney, Golden State Warriors - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
    Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
    DaJuan Summers, Detroit Pistons - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
    Damien Wilkins, Atlanta Hawks - $0.8 million – Unrestricted
    Steve Novak, Dallas Mavericks - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
    Derrick Brown, New York Knicks - $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
    Darnell Jackson, Sacramento Kings - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Cartier Martin, Washington Wizards - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Power Forward
    (name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
    Zach Randolph, Memphis Grizzlies - $17.3 million – Unrestricted
    David West, New Orleans Hornets - $8.3 million – Early Termination Option ($7.5 million)
    Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs - $18.8 million – Early Termination Option ($21.1 million)
    Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz - $17.8 million - Unrestricted
    Jeff Green, Boston Celtics - $4.5 million – Restricted ($5.9 million Qualifying Offer)
    Boris Diaw, Charlotte Bobcats - $9.0 million – Player Option ($9.0 million)
    Troy Murphy, Boston Celtics - $12.0 million – Unrestricted
    Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets - $3.0 million - Unrestricted
    Kenyon Martin, Denver Nuggets - $16.5 million – Unrestricted
    Glen Davis, Boston Celtics – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
    Ronny Turiaf, New York Knicks - $4.2 million – Player Option ($4.1 million)
    Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets - $3.2 million – Unrestricted
    Reggie Evans, Toronto Raptors - $5.1 million – Unrestricted
    Louis Amundson, Golden State Warriors – $2.2 million – Player Option ($2.4 million)
    Chuck Hayes, Houston Rockets - $2.3 million – Unrestricted
    Yi Jianlian, Washington Wizards - $4.1 million – Restricted ($5.4 million Qualifying Offer)
    Josh McRoberts, Indiana Pacers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Jared Jeffries, New York Knicks - $6.9 million - Unrestricted
    Luc Mbah a Moute, Milwaukee Bucks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Jason Smith, New Orleans Hornets - $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
    Craig Smith, L.A. Clippers - $2.3 million – Unrestricted
    Dante Cunningham, Charlotte Bobcats - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
    Joey Dorsey, Toronto Raptors - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Joe Smith, L.A. Lakers - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
    Malik Allen, Orlando Magic - $1.2 million - Unrestricted
    Jonas Jerebko, Detroit Pistons - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
    Sam Young, Memphis Grizzlies - $0.9 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
    Juwan Howard, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
    Brandan Wright, New Jersey Nets - $3.4 million – Restricted ($4.6 million Qualifying Offer)
    Darius Songaila, Philadelphia 76ers - $4.8 million - Unrestricted
    Leon Powe, Boston Celtics - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
    Shelden Williams, New York Knicks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
    Chris Wilcox, Detroit Pistons - $3.0 million – Unrestricted
    Sean Marks, Portland Trail Blazers - $1.3 million - Unrestricted
    DJ Mbenga, New Orleans Hornets - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
    Brian Skinner, Milwaukee Bucks - $1.0 million – Unrestricted
    Hamady Ndiaye, Washington Wizards - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
    DeMarre Carroll, Memphis Grizzlies - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
    Solomon Jones, Indiana Pacers - $1.5 million - Unrestricted
    Brian Cardinal, Dallas Mavericks - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
    Brian Scalabrine, Chicago Bulls - $1.2 million - Unrestricted
    Josh Powell, Atlanta Hawks - $1.0 million – Unrestricted
    Melvin Ely, Denver Nuggets - $1.1 million - Unrestricted
    Center
    (name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
    Nene, Denver Nuggets - $11.4 million – Early Termination Option ($11.6 million)
    Marc Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies - $3.6 million – Unrestricted*
    Tyson Chandler, Dallas Mavericks - $12.6 million – Unrestricted
    Yao Ming, Houston Rockets - $17.7 million - Unrestricted
    Joel Przybilla, Charlotte Bobcats - $7.4 million – Unrestricted
    Samuel Dalembert, Sacramento Kings – $13.4 million - Unrestricted
    Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers - $6.8 million – Restricted ($8.8 million Qualifying Offer)
    Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers - $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
    Nenad Krstic, Boston Celtics - $5.7 million – Unrestricted
    Earl Barron, Phoenix Suns - $0.8 million - Unrestricted
    Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
    Kyrylo Fesenko, Utah Jazz - $1.1 million - Unrestricted
    Erick Dampier, Miami HEAT - $1.1 million - Unrestricted
    Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
    Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers - $6.7 million - Unrestricted
    Nazr Mohammed, Charlotte Bobcats - $6.9 million – Unrestricted
    DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
    Kurt Thomas, Chicago Bulls - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
    Francisco Elson, Utah Jazz - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
    Hilton Armstrong, Atlanta Hawks - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
    Aaron Gray, New Orleans Hornets - $0.9 million – Player Option ($0.9 million)
    Jamaal Magloire, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
    Dan Gadzuric, New Jersey Nets - $7.2 million - Unrestricted
    Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers - $2.3 million – Player Option ($2.5 million)
    Kwame Brown, Charlotte Bobcats - $1.3 million – Unrestricted
    Theo Ratliff, L.A. Lakers - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
    Etan Thomas, Atlanta Hawks - $1.2 million – Unrestricted
    Jarron Collins, L.A. Clippers - $1.2 million - Unrestricted
    Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks - $1.2 million – Unrestricted
    Eddy Curry, New York Knicks - $11.3 million - Unrestricted
    Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies - $1.8 million – Unrestricted*
    Alexis Ajinca, Dallas Mavericks - $1.5 million – Unrestricted

    Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?...#ixzz1GRmC4KIA

  • We really don't talk about Marcus Thornton to give us a much needed volume scorer SG but he hasn't been making much $ yet!
    Kings have a lot of cap space to keep him but a jam at the guard positions currently.

    Marcus Thornton, Sacramento Kings - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

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