Would Kevin Martin be available?

The Houston Rockets have a mere two years and 24 million left on Kevin Martin's deal.  Hardly a deal that needs to be moved for salary purposes.   They're also sitting at 48 million in total salary right now, so there's no luxury tax to be saved.

Would the Rockets consider trading Kevin Martin?

The odds are fairly long.   Martin is coming off perhaps his best season as a pro, most importantly playing in 80 of the 82 games.   However, with the Rockets going in a new direction with their head coach anything is possible.

General thoughts on an offer

CJ Watson + Omer Asik (or Taj) + Bogans + Pargo + Lucas + 3 1sts (two this year + Charlotte pick) for Kevin Martin

The Rockets don't really have any bad salary on their team to take off
their hands which will limit the Bulls ability to take on money in a
salary dump.   However, this trade saves them about four million dollars
after they sign the draft picks and a bit more in terms of free agency

Why for Houston?

Houston probably isn't into this trade, but it has some more value than the initial eyeball test would think.   It really depends on whether they see themselves building around Kevin Martin or not.   If they're willing to move him, then..

This trade may save them only four million when they sign the draft picks, but that money is basically going to be tied up in roster holds anyway, so it's a bit more effective than that.   It should bring them down to closer to five million in savings on the cap during the free agency period, and that difference likely is the difference between being max salary under the cap and not.

If this were a tremendous free agent year then that would have a lot more value than it actually does.  However, given that there are no max worthy FAs available this summer, it probably has more limited value than it would at a different point.

Besides getting max salary under the cap, the Rockets would get a couple of late firsts where they've historically drafted well to gather guys on cheap contracts.    They'd get a tough defensive physical center to pair up with Scola as well, and they'd retain a ton of cost flexibility while loading themselves up with value contracts.

By changing coaches, the team is obviously signalling a changing of eras.   Does Kevin Martin fit into their new era?   He probably does, but if not, getting extra salary room while under the cap and value contracts isn't the worst you can do.

Why for Chicago?

Duh.

It's probably a trade that's too good to be true from Chicago's perspective.  Martin would provide all of the scoring we'd need out of the two guard position.  He gets to the free throw line, attacks the basket, and can shoot.   He can create his own shot and overall would be a deadly sidekick for Rose.

Martin is not without his warts though.   He's had a terrible injury history as his sleight frame doesn't allow him to withstand the punishment his style of play dictates.   He's also not going to gather any defensive team votes as he's the Carlos Boozer of wing defenders.

For Chicago that might pose a problem against the Miami Heat where they need a plethora of tough defenders on the perimeter.

Final thoughts

Probably a pipe dream as unlike Iguodala, Gordon, and Ellis, there aren't a ton of rumors floating around about Martin's availability.   Given Martin's injury history though, it's just as likely that his stock could plummet with another injury during the season.

The Rockets basically acquired Martin by giving up expiring contracts and Carl Landry which shows where his value was a season and a half ago when he was last traded.   They'd certainly be getting far more back from him than they spent to get him in this trade.

It's a long shot, but one worth a phone call.

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  • Everything you wrote makes sense, it's still a long shot though.

    If they're targeting Nene in free agency this summer, they'd need those extra millions of cap space.

    Basically they end with Watson + Asik + Nene + picks for Martin. That'd be huge for them.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Another scenario :
    Korver + Taj + Ungaranteed + picks

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    As I have said before, if it comes down to Taj or Asik, I'm keeping Asik and parting with Taj.

    Of course, Houston probably sees it the same way that I do, asking for Asik before Taj.

    How about a bigger trade, adding Scola to the Bulls and Boozer to Houston.

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  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    The classic 8 for 1 trade, probably a little bit too much to offer for a guy who (as noted) is an injury prone defensive liability.

  • In reply to Dionysus:

    8? a lot of those aren't even people, up to and including Bogans.

  • In reply to Dionysus:

    poor, naive Doug. Like in 2012-13 Reinsdorf (UNDER A SCARY SCARY NEW CBA) would pay Martin, Deng, Boozer, Noah, and Rose all 8-figure contracts.

    I know, even 'for a winner', lol.

  • In reply to bullsblogger:

    I Agree. I don't think GarPaxDorf is looking to add another 8-figure salary for a non-allstar. We already have 2 or 3 of those.

    Bulls will do something fiscally conservative to improve the SG position.

  • In reply to Edward:

    That's why no one wants to come here, because of that penny pincher...we wouldn't be having this discussion if Cuban or the New Jersey Russian owned the team!

  • In reply to Edward:

    Michael Redd! lol

  • In reply to Edward:

    What I would like Bulls to do is explore a trade-up in the draft to take SG Marshon Brooks.

    Bulls want to keep Taj and Asik so perhaps:
    - Charlotte pick +
    - Some combination of picks 28,30,43 +
    - Cash (up to $3 million)
    for a pick from 10-20 (10-15 might be necessary as Brooks appears to be moving up in the draft). Maybe this could appeal to a smaller market team?

    I don't see how Bulls can develop (or Thibs will play) 3 rookies with picks 28,30,43 so it would be better to get one good player who has impact potential - I think Marshon Brooks is that SG.

    It is highly unlikely the Charlotte pick becomes a top ten or lottery winning pick. Most likely its a mid 1st round pick in the next couple years so Bulls should make a move with it now, imo.

  • In reply to Edward:

    IMO, the Bulls should take Charles Jenkins to be that guy, then either trade 30 & 44 for future picks next year (when top level SG's appear to be very deep), or draft Euros that they can stash away while they retain most of their draft value. Then put together a huge deal next year.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Do you think Charles Jenkins will be available at 28?
    Apparently, that is not a given and may also require a trade-up.

  • In reply to Edward:

    its not a given but I would try to wait. I would refuse the trade up

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    The Bulls allegedly are shopping one of their first rounders, but I can't really see any team giving up a first rounder next year for it, even if you throw in the 44.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Marginal Utility of 28, 30, and 43

    Good point.

    Thibs won't spend much effort working marginal draft picks into the rotation. Better to bundle the picks into one pick with a higher probability of success.

    Let's hope the Bulls do better than they did with the James Johnson draft pick.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Could the Bulls possibly do a nother Hinrich move and trade their picks and a player or two for cash so they can afford a J. Richardson or someone like that?

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    I don't think Richardson or any of the potentially available veteran SGs are impact players. So I think Bulls may go young and try to develop a SG who is reasonably priced rather than overpay for a veteran who is really not impact.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I thought you liked Lee?

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Noah's extension kicks in next year, it'd be almost impossible to get under the cap by any significant amount no matter what they do (not to mention with no CBA there's no way of knowing what the cap will look like so it'd be hugely high risk).

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Noah's extension kicks in next year, it'd be almost impossible to get under the cap by any significant amount no matter what they do (not to mention with no CBA there's no way of knowing what the cap will look like so it'd be hugely high risk).

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Noah's extension kicks in next year, it'd be almost impossible to get under the cap by any significant amount no matter what they do (not to mention with no CBA there's no way of knowing what the cap will look like so it'd be hugely high risk).

  • In reply to Edward:

    get your hands on Iggy, then trade Deng and Boozer for Scola and Martin.

    We get rid of 2 8 figure contracts and pick up only 2, plus Scola who is slightly under the 8 figure mark.

    Rose, Martin, Iggy, Scola, Noah that is a starting lineup that I could get excited about.

  • In reply to bullsblogger:

    We'll see if the Bulls open up their pocket books, I suspect, like you, that they won't. However, the owner has made statements which would sure make him look like a blatant liar if that's the case.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    You guys are ridiculous...

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    +1

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I think people are overvaluing Asik right now. I like him a lot, but he has absolutely no offense. There's no way he's ready to be a starting center (let alone a championship contending team). In a few years, maybe...

    I'm not sure who I'd be willing to let go (either Asik or Taj) but it seems like both of their values are very high, so I think we could get someone decent in return. However, I doubt JR makes a big move, I think they'll try and move up in the draft to get Brooks. That way Thibs can keep starting Bogans for a year not only to spite fans, but Brooks can learn the system, NBA, etc.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    I agree, I wouldn't give Asik away for trash, but people are way overvaluing him. Right now, if I had to trade one of Taj or Asik, I'd pick Asik to go. I think Taj is way more valuable in the short term. If Taj is traded, who's backing up Boozer when he trips on his gym bag again?

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    I am sure you all watched the Miami series. Whenever Asik came in, the Bulls fought back and reduced the lead or increased an existing lead. He became very smart in not committing fouls as the season progressed. Off-course, his game has a lot of holes especially on offense(bad FT, no jump-shot, bad hands in catching etc..) but he does set good picks and he also cannot play well unless the other 4 are offensive minded guys. And this was his first year in a foreign country and NBA.
    Bottom-line, he was one of the few who made an impact against Miami and the fact is the fortunes of Miami turned after he got hurt. His value is either going to be the same or increase big time next year. We should not just dump him for an average SG.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    True about needing Taj to backup Boozer due to his injury history. But if Asik is traded who plays center and backup center when Noah has his annual injury?

  • In reply to Edward:

    Who can we use as trade bait then? I do agree that Asik was awesome against Miami, but I guess it's a matter of how much upside do you think he has (same goes for Gibson). I guess I'd try and move up in the draft and get a Brooks/Jenkins type and try and develop him, although Thibs probably isn't going to play him. Then see how the bigs are progressing, and if a trade needs to be done, then do it before the deadline.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    The point is for all the Asik critics. Imagine if Asik was in this draft. Just based on his potential, he would be a lottery pick. If Kanter or some other Euro guys can be top 10 picks, Why wouldn't Asik be a top 10 pick. So, based on that do we just give away Asik for an average player. If Asik is to be dealt, he better be used in a deal(not just Asik) for somebody like Ellis, Igoudala etc.. especially when you are giving a Center who has proved it in the playoffs.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    schaumburgfan, exactly what do you mean when you say --- "A CENTER WHO HAS PROVED IT IN THE PLAYOFFS"?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Asik would likely be a top 5 pick. We everybody is asking for a guy in trade talk, then you know what his real value is, and they are all trying to steal him.

    We lost Tyson Chandler because of the ill fated Ben Wallace signing, I would hate to lose Asik because we are stuck with Boozer.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Edward, you're nasty. I know that people like you worship at the feet of Asik, but your sarcasm is contemptuous when you say... "WHEN NOAH HAS HIS ANNUAL INJURY." Talk about a punkish statement.

  • In reply to Normie:

    While the tone may not be cordial, the position overall is valid. If someone is hesitant to deal Taj based off of Boozer's injury record, the same should hold true for dealing away Asik. Noah has yet to play an entire slate of games; and has had significant injuries in the seasons he's averaged more than 30 mpg.

    Of course, I think the concerns about dealing away Asik to backup Noah will be moot once Dwight Howard arrives, but that's just me.

  • In reply to saigman:

    I only said about not dealing Taj due to Boozer's history is because we have no one else behind him. If you deal Asik for a quality player, you still have the option of bringing back Kurt Thomas or some other vet center. If you're dealing Taj, you better be getting a backup PF in the deal or have someone else in mind to sign.

    I do agree that Noah has his own injury history to deal with as well, but just going off of the Kurt Thomas experience this year, I feel pretty confident the Bulls could resign him or find someone similar to back up Noah if Asik is dealt. I will clarify that I think Asik should only be dealt if it's necessary to bring back a quality SG.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    I fully agree that Asik should be the first to go. Taj gives you something on both ends of the floor, and also brings a certain level of 'energy' to the game. Asik, while awesome defensively, is woeful on offense. He may improve somewhat, but I have yet to see a big man go from 50% FT shooting to the 70+ range. Once you're bad at FT as a big, you tend to stay bad.

    Like you said, though, it has to be a substantial trade to ship out Asik (Martin, Iggy, Ellis), and just not table scraps. You can teach a lot of things, but like they say, you can't teach big. Also, having someone to backup Noah that isn't eligible for free breakfast at Denny's has to be a consideration; if not an absolute deal breaker.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    I think this is where the debate comes in... Courtney Lee a "quality" SG? Is he a star? No, but I think he's a good, young SG who would thrive playing CONSISTENT minutes next to Rose. Is he the first option? No, but he's definitely an option.

    I would also hate to lose Asik, but unless there's a D Howard trade going down, the Bulls seem locked in with Noah for a while and I think they might end up using Asik as trade bait at some point to get a quality SG, whether you think that's Lee or not.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    I just think Asik has more value in a trade than Lee. If Houston is demanding Asik for Lee, I think the Bulls as they have done before will back out. If the cost is something less like a Brewer or picks etc.., they will do it. The point is Lee is a backup SG on a non-playoff team and Asik is a backup Center on the team with the best record. So, who is better?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I agree, I wouldn't do Asik for Lee straight up...if the right extras were thrown in I might consider it. I love Asik, so don't think I'm an Asik critic, but the guy averaged 12 minutes per game this season. Backup center on the team with the best record or not, I wouldn't call someone who only avg 12 mpg a real difference maker either. I'm not saying Lee is the best option either, just that he is an option to consider and he's only a backup because Kevin Martin is on their team. Don't forget that he did start as a rookie for the Orlando team that went to the Finals. He then played pretty well for the Nets with consistent minutes. Again, not saying Lee is the best choice, but he's not the scrub that some make him out to be. I also love Asik and he has potential, but other teams aren't going to value him like Bulls fans do.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    It is the same rule as Lee with Martin. Because of Noah and Thibs's trust with Thomas, Asik averaged 12 mpg. But, if he goes to Houston...don't you think he will be in 25-30 min range and as the starter. Then, what is his value? You can find a backup PF who is not great on offense like Taj easily compared to an athletic Center like Asik. His screens and picks on offense were so much more better than Taj, Boozer or Noah.
    Which means a lot of teams would give up a lot more than a Lee type of talent for Asik if the Bulls were not fixated on a SG.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Within a year or 2 Asik may be good enough to think about moving Noah, and I was Noah's first fan in Chicago.

  • In reply to Normie:

    another shining example of the pot calling the kettle black.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    It is hard to over value a true 7 footer who can actually move like a human being, and is already considered by some to be the second best defensive center in the league.

    During Asiks time on the floor the Bulls were the best defensive and adjusted plus minus teams in the league, if not the absolute best.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The Rockets are a moneyball type franchise. You give them more in a tarde then they let out, and they will make a deal, and at no other point will they.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Could this potentially help open their ability to be a max player the year Howard hits the market?

    That would be huge for them.

  • In reply to Dionysus:

    Does anyone think the T'Wolves would do this?

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3l8mjvm

    In addition we get the #2 pick and they get $3M cash or the #30 pick.

    We could then package the #2 and $3M in this deal (If it's critical to making a deal we could include the Charlotte pick).

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=62e4att

    Houston gets a lottery pick, expirings and young talent. They could at least make a play for Dwight after next season and they have warm weather and no state tax. Dwight could play with Scola, Kyle Lowry and Courtney Lee to form a nice core.

    Downside for us is that we lose Noah AND Taj, but given the two deals I just proposed we get some big men back (Tolliver and Pekovic). The question is are we better than Miami with this?

    PG: Rose/Draft Pick
    SG: Kevin Martin/Ronnie Brewer/Ellington/Bogans (After he's waived)
    C: Asik/Pekovic
    PF: Boozer/Tolliver/Re-sign Kurt Thomas
    SF: Deng/Free Agent?/Draft Pick

  • In reply to Dionysus:

    How about Raja Bell (UTAH) and a 2012 #1 (Top 3 protected) for next year's 2nd rounder and $3M. Straight salary dump, saves Utah $3M in luxury tax plus we're giving them $3M for a total of $6M dollars. Plus if Raja stays healthy he's a plus defender with a good 3 point shot (40.6% Career), If not we get a potential lottery pick.

  • In reply to Dionysus:

    and soon to be on the wrong side of 30, no?

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    I don't feel like the cap space means a great deal to Houston, given they're the moneyball team of the NBA, their take on building a winning team is that the ideal is to only have true max players and rookie scale deals. Since there are no true max players out there this year, I doubt they'll look to make a big splash in free agency.

    That said on the rookie scale players side of things moving Martin for picks makes sense. I'm not sure the Bulls picks are the best they can do though.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    If they wanted Asik + picks for Courtney Lee, imagine what would they want for they "franchise" player!. Plus, all they have is mid-level or low-level talent all over their roster and why would they want to fill up with more of those guys? They probably want to consolidate into one or two upper level talents.
    Although, they are desperate for a Center...so, maybe Noah for Martin and Scola plus whatever for salary matching might be an idea to look at. Then, the Bulls have to trade Scola or Taj or if possible Boozer, for their other needs.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    You're making too much sense. You mean a team won't trade their best player for another's wheelbarrow of shit?

    I love how the majority of the trade proposals around here (I'm looking at you, Doug) revolve around getting another team's best player for nothing more than the Bulls' eighth best player (and a draft pick or two. But draft picks don't make the shit smell any nicer unless it's a top 3 pick).

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    Actually deals like this one do happen, and not just once every year.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Name two.

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    Would someone talk me down, I just read Sam Smith he gave no hope for getting a SG.

  • In reply to Aslan:

    Yeah, Sam's mailbag responses were a downer. But he's probably correct. Bulls will not trade Asik or Taj, and probably not the Charlotte pick either. If those assumptions are true then there's almost nothing Bulls can do to move-up in the draft.

    Personally, I would try to trade up with the Charlotte pick, any of picks 28,30,43, + Cash(up to $3 Million) to get Marshon Brooks. I've felt this way since the Chicago combine. But it now looks like Brooks is moving up even higher in the draft.

    I think its quite possible Brooks is the best SG in this draft. He's got the perfect physical specs and he can flat out score in so many different ways. Time will tell...

  • In reply to Edward:

    I a DraftExpress article said that Brooks manhandled Burks at tryout on both sides of ball, possibly top 10 now. Our Picks plus cash wont do it that is case

  • In reply to Edward:

    Ok so if theyre not shopping Taj (who can be easily replaced) or Asik, then who do they expect to get with late 1st round picks?? smh

  • In reply to Aslan:

    Reading Sam Smith with give you no hope for breathing :(

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I haven't seen a ton of Martin, but he's one of the best floppers out tehre I know that. Accordingly he's averaged about 7-8 trips to the line in the last several years if I'm not mistaken. A guy without a real star power name is not going to get all those trips to the line against staunch Conf. Finals defense. And if he's defensively as bad for his position as Boozer at this stage of his career then no thanks! If his defense is underrated though/decent sure I'd take him for Omer. That's a lot of scoring from the SG we need. But there's no way I take late 20's picks and a raniy day fund from Charlotte along with a solid young big in Asik for Kevin Martin aka a prolific scorer. I'd be surprised if they didn't want a legit scorer(s) back. That's usually how it works.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Seriously? You don't trade late 20's picks and the 8th man in your rotation for a 20PPG scorer? The Charlotte pick is tough to give up (but what are the odds that over the next 4 drafts they aren't gonna bottom out and get the #1 pick at least once, maybe twice and be able to have a turnaround), but if it could lead to a title I do it.

  • In reply to nolebron:

    I'm saying Houston will not trade a scorer without getting a scorer back. Sure I'd be tempted to trade Asik, the 20's picks, and the Charlotte for Martin, but teams don't trade scorers for that. They trade them for other scorers.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Interesting article and I like KMART2 getting to watch him grow in Sacramento, but getting him from Sacramento after they got Evans and the two didn't mesh was the time to get KMART2 to the Bulls...very hard to do now since he is the Franchise player in Houston with Ming probably never coming back and TMAC gone.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    A Nice Time of Year...

    Sorry, I don't know who Kevin Martin is or his history. But GarPax does.

    It's a nice time of year to be a Bulls fan. It would have been outrageous if the Bulls had beaten the Heat, but they didn't.

    But I have a feeling Jerry Reinsdorf will do something significant to improve the Bulls' weakness at shooting guard in the next week. Not blockbuster, but significant.

    Here's a question for Doug (or anyone).

    It's clear the Bulls need to upgrade at shooting guard. But what's the #2 priority for the Bulls roster and how will it be addressed (draft/trade)?

    In 7 days we'll know a lot more about our Bulls team for next season.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    There is none currently for the rotation, but #2 would be another big man they like, that to make Gibson & Asik more expendable.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    That makes sense...

    A decent power forward makes Taj expendable, as trade bait.

    I just hope they don't trade Asik. I'd feel kind of silly after my daughter purchased an Asik jersey for me.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    I really don't think they will. Center depth is one of the most important elements for a championship team.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    If Asik turns out to be like a Biedrins type(no offense, bad FT shooting), he will be a liability on offense. Noah was also very much the worst starter offensively during the playoffs. One of them has to develop some offensive game. Otherwise, even a good SG is not going to help.

    That said the Bulls used the closing team of Rose, Brewer, Deng, Taj and Asik when they had a decent lead very well.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    1st He is better than Beidrins 2nd he is our backup, not starter 3rd he is younger & on a far better contract

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Beidrins is a terrible, terrible player the last couple of years, how a team with only one legit center can actually be much worse when that guy is on the floor I don't know. IMO Asik is already much better than him.

    As far as Noah goes, he was one of only 9 centers to average over 11 PPG last year. Yes, the bar for offense from the center position is that low.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    "Noah was also very much the worst starter offensively during the playoffs. That said the Bulls used the closing team of Rose, Brewer, Deng, Taj and Asik when they had a decent lead very well."

    THAT PARAGRAPH I QUOTED ABOVE SUMS UP THE BIAS OF schumburgfan. HE HATES NOAH AND LOVES THE OFFENSIVELY CHALLENGED ASIK, EVEN IF ASIK CAN'T MAKE A FREE THROW TO SAVE HIS LIFE!
    schumburgfan, you're lucky that you have a gutless coach like Thibs to deal with. A coach who hasn't the balls to pull a player like Boozer and let him warm the bench all by himself. He cowardly has to seek cover by tying a proven playoff stud like Noah next to Boozer to hide or rationalize his decision. Then by his gutlessness he gives divisive punks like you (schaumburgfan) cause to highlight it and make a case for the tall Turk whose length is all he has.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    How about Asik and one of our 1st round picks for Courtney Lee and the 14th pick?

  • In reply to calle3:

    That's a bit intriguing... Who would you take at 14 if we had Courtney Lee?

  • In reply to Edward:

    Klay Thompson to back up both SG/SF. Get a big or a Euro w/30. Brooks on some sights is moving into top 10 after besting Burks in tryouts

  • In reply to Edward:

    u know what we can just do Asik and 1st for 14th pick...that way we won't have too many sg's. We could choose Klay Thompson or Marshon Brooks at 14.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    OMG I hope we do something and get at least a "upgrade" at SG instead of our 3 man rotation, eventhough I'm a fan of variety we have like $11M into (Korver, Brewer, Bogans) I'd like to think we can get a impact SG for that which gives us offense & defense!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Every team in the league is making some sort of news except the Bulls. The only thing that has bee reported is the Bulls owner saying only if we had a 2 guard the Bulls would've won. I won't hold my breath waiting on the Bulls to do something that is news worthy cause if nothing is done by next weeks draft, Bulls fans should look for nothing to be done until the CBA issue is resolved. It's going to be a long boring summer as far as the Bulls making moves or news period.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    What exactly do you mean by that as a Bulls fan? If the deal doesn't make sense from a talent/business point of view...should they still make it to create a buzz around the team. I think it might be even be smart to wait until the trade deadline of next season to make a deal if the deal they are getting now is not right. They basically have two choices ..1)look at salary dumps(Igoudala) 2) pry an under-achieving guy(Mayo). Otherwise, if they try to find the best fit...they will end up making another hole in the roster.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Like I said... It will be a long boring some as far as Bulls news for Bulls fans, too conservative. Other wise have a good summer.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I've always liked Martin's game in the box scores, a great shooter an all around scorer, i just thought he was a great player stuck on a bad team. Then i saw him play last year, when the Bulls played the Rockets, and i thought he was a pretty soft player, and didnt show how great a scorer he was against the Bulls' defense.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reese1: Where are you reading about other teams getting players? I just look on nba.com and I guess that is the last place to post stuff up, especially rumors.
    Please name your source(s).
    I hope we get our upgraded SG to make us a yearly threat to go all the way! :-)

  • In reply to Reese1:

    What are you talking about? No one has made any moves yet at all.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/transactions

    Wow, it's a mad house out there, a couple of teams have extended players the qualifying offer, and most shocking of all, the Clippers will pick up Griffin's option year on his rookie contract!

    The Bulls aren't doing anything because nobody is doing anything right now. If deals get done they'll happen right before the draft.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    I think unless they get the player they want in a trade(Affalo, Martin, Lee)without giving up more than expiring contracts/picks, the Bulls should just wait it out until the new CBA.
    Honestly, the new CBA will put more restrictions on salary caps, contracts etc..as the owners are probably the ones who will control more of the negotiations. Even as fans we would like some action right now, it is better for the Bulls to hold out and then negotiate from a position of strength rather than a position of weakness now. I am sure teams like Houston and Portland are trying to get every possible extra player/future pick from the Bulls and do some highway robbery.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Afflalo is supposedly asking for a 8-10 million type of deal ... means that there's no way you get him for the MLE, it just comes down to whether the Nuggets are willing to pay that or if they'll look for sign and trade options.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    That's a bit high for Afflalo.

  • In reply to ironsam:

    You'd think so but apparently he's comparing it to the contracts Gordon, Salmons and Redick got, which makes 8-10 million seem fair.

    http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_18275205

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Of course it could also just be the reporter making up the figure and Afflalo will take less ... always hard to tell, but generally home town reporters don't try to inflate the salary demands of their teams players.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Afflalo is supposedly asking for a 8-10 million type of deal ... means that there's no way you get him for the MLE, it just comes down to whether the Nuggets are willing to pay that or if they'll look for sign and trade options.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Afflalo is supposedly asking for a 8-10 million type of deal ... means that there's no way you get him for the MLE, it just comes down to whether the Nuggets are willing to pay that or if they'll look for sign and trade options.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Oh yay, website lost its marbles and posted it three times.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Afflalo is worth 8 mil

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    And man that guy would be perfect for Chicago. Its like a match made in heaven...that wont happen

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    He's worth that much to the Bulls I agree, he's a perfect fit for the Bulls system and outside of the superstar SGs you probably can't do better.

    Whether Denver feels that way given they're further away from a championship who knows. Maybe they'll keep him no matter what and a sign and trade is impossible. But I hope the Bulls are out there kicking the tyres.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Here is a trade that I proposed to Sam Smith a week ago that he quickly shot down, but I'm curious to see what anyone else thinks. Bulls trade Boozer, Watson, and 28th pick to Toronto for 5th pick, Calderone, and Kliza. Then trade said 5th pick with Korver, Pargo, Bogans, and Lucas to Houston for kevin Martin (maybe a 2nd round pick as well). Toronto gets a PF thats better than any in the draft (I think Boozer fits perfectly next to Bargnani), and Watson would be cheaper and younger PG. Houston gets cap space, shooting in Korver, and the 5th pick to get a top notch talent (maybe Canter will be there for them). Bulls get a scoring threat in Martin, a good backup point who can run a team, and Kliza can spread the defense with his shooting. They also keep their bigs and the Charlotte pick for the future. I think it can be done.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    I don't know if Toronto wants to trade a lottery pick for the right to pay Boozer $60M dollars.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Keep it simple :

    Lee + 14th pick for Asik + 28th and 30th picks

    They're desperate for a big man (Yao and Miller are basically done, Thabeet is trash, no interesting prospect in the draft), let's make them pay for it.

    At the end of the day, Lee's the perfect fit next to Rose (perfect role for him next to a superstar - shoot, defend, run the break). Go BPA at 14.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Courtney Lee is the guy I really like.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    I gotta say I like Courtney Lee as well. I don't think he's as explosive as a Kevin Martin and won't just randomly go off for 40 pts like Monta Ellis, but he does everything we need very well. We don't need a ball dominant SG playing next to Rose. We need a defender who can hit shots and create off the dribble for himself. I think Lee fits that description well. I just don't think he's worth Asik straight up unless there's some decent picks or other players coming back as well like it your example. If Afflalo isn't available which is doesn't sound like he is, Lee should be one of the next ones considered.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    is Lee a better player than Asik right now, will he be in a year or two. Trading big for small is usually not advisable.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    I really want Stephen Jackson on the roster next year. Having a big guard like him next to Rose could really help out the roster next. I read the other week that he was in gym and he's lost 18 pounds, for next season so that he can be quicker. I believe he knows that he's reaching the end of his prime and keeping his body right is necessary.

    I believe a deal of Korver + (maybe Bogans?) + Pargo + Lucas + picks could get it done. The Bobcats have 2 1st rd picks in the draft, and I'm sure they would be elated to have 4 1st rounders. I would really like to see this on draft day.

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