Nikola Mirotic sure sounds like a bad ass

So like the rest of you Bulls fans, I'm scrambling to find information on a guy I've never heard of before in an effort to break him down for you.   I hoping to do a bunch of video scouting of him over the summer to take a peak at how he plays, but when looking for coverage of international draft prospects and how they translate, there's only one place to go:  draftexpess.com

(side note, I am a partial owner of dx, so I'm biased, but the one thing it does substantially better than every other draft site is capture the info on international players, particularly in Europe because JG spends so much time there watching guys)

So you can check out his full profile, and I'm sure over the next 6 months the league is locked out you'll have time to read the whole thing, but let's go through some interesting snippets.



Apparently, he didn't receive the memo. Despite playing just 91 minutes
in the first 21 games of Real Madrid's season, Mirotic (a player who
struggled to get off the bench at times last year on a bad team in the
Spanish second division) has been the most productive player on arguably
the best team in Europe




Well, since he started getting some burn that is. Real Madrid has
steam-rolled its way through the Euroleague Top 16, with six wins and no
losses, and Mirotic continues to excel in the playing time he's earned
-- roughly 19 minutes per game since the New Year.




He now ranks third in the ACB and sixth in the Euroleague
in PER, thanks to his prolific scoring (21 points per 40 minutes),
solid work on the glass (9.4 rebounds per 40), defensive playmaking (1.4
blocks, 1.6 steals per 40) and terrific efficiency (61% 2P, 43% 3P,
86% FT).




When you're 6-10, with a great frame, a 7-1 wingspan and good mobility,
and you just turned 20 years old, scouts tend to take notice; especially
when you're putting those numbers up against the best competition in
the world outside the NBA.

So downside, he doesn't get memos.  Stacy King might not be happy about that.   Upside, after breaking the rotation he's been one of the best players on one of the best teams in Euroleague which is the highest competition in the world outside of the NBA.

It's worth noting that it's fairly rare to find young guys this productive in Euroleague.  There are a tremendous amount of basketball leagues in Europe.   I'd make the analogy to baseball where you have single A, double A, and triple A prior to getting to MLB (Euroleague).  

Typically, even the top prospects are still playing in single A or double A at twenty after getting drafted.   Every once in awhile someone really special makes it all the way up to the majors at 20, but there's not tremendous incentive to push them along so fast because the minor league system is so good and has so much depth.

Mirotic is one of those rare guys who got pushed up at a young age, and not only did he get pushed up, he did so with one of the best teams and after getting his chance provided tremendous productivity.   6th highest PER in the best league in Europe.

It's worth noting that he excels in steals/blocks which are frequently quality markers in terms of whether someone will translate well to the NBA (unusual, but true). 

So how does he play?



Offensively, Mirotic acts mostly as a floor spacer for Real Madrid. He
sees most of his possessions spotting up on the wing, cutting to the
basket and finishing off of pick and rolls. He's converted 42%
(22-of-53) of his jumpers on the season and is extremely reliable with
his feet set. He has also shown consistent range out to the 3-point
line.




With his excellent size and quick release, Mirotic is a tough matchup
for most big men, especially since he's very adept at using shot-fakes
and taking the ball to the basket. He has a nice first step and solid
ball-handling skills. He's generally a very fundamentally sound player.
He has an excellent feel for the game and plays relatively mistake-free
(compared to his usage).

Yes, he's a stretch four with a quick release, but who can also take guys off the dribble when they run out at him.   With Derrick Rose likely to be locked in four whatever the max years after a new CBA is signed, you can bet your ass the Bulls will need a player like that whenever they can get him over here.

Now I know what you're thinking; typical.  soft jump shooting big man from Europe, surprise, surprise..

But..




While, offensively, it's not difficult to see why Mirotic has earned
minutes, it's actually on the defensive end where he's surprisingly
emerged as Real Madrid's most consistent big man.




Mirotic is very fundamentally sound -- never off-balance, always staying
solid in his stance and rarely gambling for the sake of making a
spectacular play. Nevertheless, he's been fairly productive
statistically, showing excellent timing as a shot-blocker and even
getting in the passing lanes on occasion, likely aided greatly by his
excellent length. He still needs to add strength (as most 20-year-olds
do), but Mirotic has a good frame and should be able to see minutes at
either big man position in the NBA, depending on who he's playing next
to.




This versatility is what makes Mirotic so intriguing from an NBA
standpoint--he can play alongside many different types of frontcourt
players as either a power forward or center and thus would be able to
fit onto almost any team. Every good team these days needs at least one
skilled big man in their rotation who can space the floor and attack
opposing players in mismatch situations, and Mirotic seems to fit the
bill to a T based on what we're seeing.

He's a tough defender who's fundamentally sound, has nice length, doesn't gamble, and can play the four or the five.    At the NBA level will he still be able to do that?   Hard to say, but the fact that he's not a Euro-sieve means he's likely to be passable on defense at the NBA level even if it's not his strong suit.

So where's the rub?

For one, he's just an average defensive rebounder, ranking in the middle of the pack in this category amongst ACB and Euroleague
power forwards. He has been improving as the year has progressed but is
somewhat limited by his average athleticism (by NBA standards) in this
area. He also doesn't appear to be a great passer, handing out just 16
assists in 470 minutes this season (or one every 29 minutes he's on the
floor).

The biggest drawback from an NBA standpoint is in the likelihood a team
will actually be able to bring him over. Mirotic was brought to Spain
(from Montenegro, by a Real Madrid scout) when he was just 15 years old
and signed a nine-year contract (which has since been redone) with
unfavorable terms, as many young players in Europe often are. He still
has two more seasons (after this) on his current deal, with a buyout
clause that exceeds $2 million, which could be prohibitive for a NBA
team.

Not a great defensive rebounder (though his rebound rate isn't bad enough to be red flag worthy), and his contract situation really sucks.  

Jonathan goes on to describe that there are questions about whether he wants to play in the NBA and after getting a Spanish passport, ACB will do whatever they can to keep him.

Ultimately, the salary structure of European basketball has fallen apart somewhat.  The owners typically losing truckloads of money on their teams over the past decade but wanting to win bad enough that they don't mind because they're billionaires and all.  

However, with the recent recession, running a basketball team that loses truckloads of cash isn't such a hot idea anymore.   That said, there's a good chance the Bulls will find it very difficult to bring him over, and it probably won't happen for 3-4 years, and there's a shot it never will happen.

The financial problems is what kept every other team away.   People say the Bulls don't take risks, but they took one on Mirotic.   He's, without much doubt at all, the best player available where they drafted.   He would have been a top 10 pick if he had a clean buy out situation, and he may have had a shot inside the top 5.

The problem is his contract situation is abysmally bad, and he's given no signs that he wants to bolt for the NBA either.   The Bulls took a risk on a guy has immense talent, but may never get to play for them.    If the risk pans out, they get a versatile stretch big man who can play the four or five and fit next to almost anyone on the court.

They'll also get him at a point where he's well seasoned, in his prime, and has played at the 2nd highest level of basketball in the world as a key piece for an extended period of time.   There's a good chance the risk won't pan out though.   There's a good chance that we'll never see Mirotic make it over to the NBA, and if that's the case critics will say the Bulls messed up big time.

However, in a draft of mediocre talent, I'll take my team taking a well thought out calculated risk.   they took the guy who they know has the ability to be a starting caliber player in the NBA and just have to figure out how to get him here.   I'll take that over reaching for a guy that needs to be taught how to play the game, needs to learn not to be a head case, or is good except for the one kryptonian flaw. 

It's a high risk pick for Chicago, but it's one that makes perfect sense for so many reasons.   The new CBA is going to limit what kind of talent the Bulls can bring in financially.   Their record will limit what kind of talent they can draft.  

With this pick and the future first from Charlotte, the Bulls have found ways to inject themselves with potentially very valuable young players several years down the road when they wouldn't have those picks ordinarily.    They'll be able to help reload with a couple high potential guys where most elite teams coudln't.

On top of that, the risk plays well with their current situation.  This roster is stacked right now.   The Bulls had more rotation players than they could use last year.  They traded away James Johnson largely because they had no room to develop a prospect despite the fact he showed flashes and got into tremendous shape this season.

Odds are that Marshown Brooks wasn't going to beat out Ronnie Brewer for the starting two guard spot, and the Bulls will look to bring in someone better than Brewer to compete as well.  

Brooks simply wasn't likely to be the answer for a team looking to win a title this year, and while Bulls fans want a young SG to pair up with Rose, it should be intuitively obvious that to win it all they needed to bring in someone more talented than a guy who ended up going 25th in what was viewed as a very weak draft class.

The Bulls don't have many minutes to hand out, and instead of bringing in two prospects who would find little playing time, they brought in one guy for depth and found a way to turn the other into an extremely high potential future asset.

Another way to frame this pick is to view it as the Bulls trading away pick #28 in this draft for the #7 or #8 pick in four years, and doing so while they have a stacked roster with no room to develop #28 anyway.

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  • Here is a comment from JOHN at RealGM about Mirotic buyout:

    JOHN wrote:Just got informed that Mirotic will play 2 more years for Real Madrid and then go to Chicago.He has 3.5 million euros buyout.

    This kid is the real deal and a player that will fit perfectly next to Noah let alone DRose.

    Two more years in the Euroleague and this guy will be ready to contribute right away.

  • In reply to rodman:

    If that's the case, I can't wait till he comes to Chicago from overseas. I saw clips of him, and I tell you he reminds me a lot of a "right-handed" Toni Kukoc with better post skills.

    Nikola Mirotic for the 2013-2014 Season..Let the countdown begin!

  • In reply to rodman:

    And the first year will likely be a ruined year by the lockout. So Bulls MAY only be losing one year on Mirotic - that's best case scenario...

  • In reply to Edward:

    They're not losing anything, they drafted him knowing the situation.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    Not only ar ethey not losing anything but they are happy to stash him away in Europe and not have him on the books yet. Assuming he comes here in the end it looks like a great move.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    And furthermore, most rookies are not ready to contribute at 20 yrs old in the NBA. This guy gets to develope in the minor leagues essentially, to grow his game while in contact with our management, without using a rotation spot from Chicago. Plus when he comes here he'll have a good 4 years of a low salary contract. The James Johnson situation is a great point, Bulls don't really have the luxury of developing a 20 year old, so develope him overseas. I like it a lot.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Maybe I didn't communicate well.
    I wasn't criticizing the pick, I was pointing out that Bulls may not have to wait 4 years for Mirotic like some people are saying. They may only wait 2 years and one of those could be affected by a lockout so in actuality Bulls may only be waiting 1 year for Mirotic, which is not much of a wait!

    I like the move too. And I especially like the tradeup from 28 to 23 for just a 2nd + Cash. GREAT TRADEUP!

    Aside from Mirotic, Reggie Jackson, Marshon Brooks, Jordan Hamilton, and JuJuan Johnson (in other words 5 very good players) were picked 23-27 and were not available at 28. Bull made a significant upgrade in talent by moving from 28 to 23, and at extremely low cost. Great Tradeup by Bulls!

  • In reply to Edward:

    ++1

  • In reply to Edward:

    If Memphis decides that they can't sign Gasol, Asik+CJ for Mayo might work, salary wise. I think forcing Carter on Memphis might actually break the deal. The problem is that you lack a back-up Center and Noah gets hurt. You hope Kurt Thomas' knees are up to another season (ie ten minutes a game).

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    I think a position like SF, SG or PF can be handled if there is a temporary injury or lack of production for a while but Center/PG are two critical positions where a lack of talented backups will hurt. That's why the Bulls are reluctant to trade Asik and we need an upgrade from CJ to not give heartbreaks to Thibs everytime Rose sat.

    I don't know if we can trust Kurt Thomas to be a backup...he is 'ok" as the 3rd Center and Noah is too foul prone/injury prone for a championship team.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Agreed, but Asik's contract is up after this season/lockout. If you arn't going to resign him anyway, then trade him. However, if you resign him, that means Taj's days are numbered.

  • In reply to rodman:

    Is what he says true Doug? Farther down you say no way he comes for 12/13, but how about 13/14?

    Also maybe you can explain the whole buyout & foreign contract process in detail?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I don't know his specific contract situation exactly, but He's sighed presently through 2016, but has a buyout starting 2014 or 2015. I'm not sure. However, the buyout is for far too much money for him to pay for easily, and the Bulls can only contribute 500k towards it.

    I would not be surprised if he doesn't make it here until 2014/15.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I'm interested in how the process works in general though. Like what is keeping him from walking out on his contract now? Who governs all this Euro to NBA stuff? Who can pay the rest of the buyout? Who decides that the Bulls can pay 500k towards it?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    It's probably all outlined in the contract itself, giving the team an easy way to sue if he leaves without paying the buyout.

  • In reply to ironsam:

    oh ok thanks

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    2014-15 is Boozer's last year. Adding Mirotic in that year would be a wonderful situation. Give him a year off the bench to learn the league, give him some regular rotation minutes.
    I was very pleased with the move for all the reasons you mentioned Doug. This is somewhat similar to the Asik move ... but with a (likely) longer time horizon.

  • Good high risk, high reward move. The guy sounds awesome! It's the perfect risk since they're not looking to rebuild with rookies right now.

    Who would you compare him to? Based on this write up, maybe Dirk?

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    ive been saying this the whole time....Mirotic is a ball player. Reminds me of Kukuc/Dirk...this guy could end up being really good for the Bulls. He isnt your typically euro player either, hes tough. Love his shot too...rated a 10 out of 10 on nbadraft.net an hes only 20! cant wait to him in a couple years.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    This is the guy I have been wanting for the past couple weeks now...his game reminds me of Dirk/Kukuc/Bargnani...many of his mannerism are very similair to dirk. Has a great shot, good passer, decent athlete, not a stiff. Crafty player, has a mid range game. I expect him to get a better post game. But this dude could be a great contributor to the Bulls team in a couple years. Love the pick

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I like your comparisons! These Rashard Lewis & Bargnani ones are really killing my buzz. Why put a limit on what the guy can do in this league, esp at 20 yrs old!

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Pretty good article on Jimmy Butler
    http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=6699187

  • Doug please get this scouting report to reese ASAP before he jumps off a building.

  • In reply to johcoh:

    let him jump

  • In reply to johcoh:

    No scouting report needed for me on a guy that won't play for the Bulls in 3 or 4 years. You guys can suck up to the pick all you want. Bulls need scoring now, but hey... I hope they know what they are doing, good luck with that And I will be just fine cause some fans know what the Bulls need so I'm not going to suck up to the pick that they made.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I think you want GarPax to run the Bulls like Minnesota's Kahn. He kept wheeling and dealing yesterday and was making a lot of moves to be in the news. Unfortunately, they are a 15 win team

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I know that Mirotic is probably a good pick, especially when Boozer comess off the books, but I mean come on. We had HAmilton and Brooks at 25 and 26 and we couldnt trade up a little bit for either of them?

    I go to marquette, and I like Butler. But we were right there. Its kind of dissapointing. We could have moved up a few picks.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    We did move up a few picks. They chose not to pick them.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Maybe they just didn't like either of those guys.

    It would have been interesting, because you might have been able to trade up to 25 from 30 with just cash and a future 2nd or something.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The Bulls do need scoring now.

    In your heart of hearts, do you think they were going to get a scorer right now, who could help them win a championship at pick #23?

    In a draft that is viewed as very week with little star talent and relatively low starting caliber talent?

    It does remain a need, I agree completely. It's one they HAVE to address. I don't think the draft was the right place to address it.

    Their best bet was to trade picks for a starting caliber talent, but actually using the picks? They were only going to get role players and don't have minutes to play more than one.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    No one in the draft was going to come in as an immediate starter at SG, expecially at a pick in the 20's.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    But what if I told you Mirotic lead the Euroleague in FOCUS!!! How would you feel then?

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Don't forget HEART!!!

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    I see Houston got Mirotic and he involved in the trade with the T-Wolves! How did the Bulls get him? Is this a error on NBA.com who have the Rockets taking him at #23????

  • In reply to smiley:

    Bulls traded the 28th and 43rd picks to Houston to grab 6-foot-10 small forward Nikola Mirotic with the 23rd pick. (The deal has yet to be approved by the NBA, but league sources say that is a mere formality.)

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    My bad, it looks like there were a couple of trades mixed in that I missed initially.

    "The Bulls took Cleveland State guard Norris Cole at No. 28, but several reports had him and the No. 43 pick (UCLA guard Malcolm Lee) going to Minnesota for the rights to Mirotic, whom Houston took at No. 23 and dealt to the Timberwolves." It just hasn't been made official by the League yet.

  • In reply to smiley:

    Rockets traded with the timberwolves who traded him to us, because the trade won't be official until tomorrow, Houston is the official drafter.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Dang the Kings and Bucks made a big deal sending Salmons back to Sacramento!
    Bobcats, Bucks and Kings in three-way trade
    Charlotte receives: Corey Maggette, No. 7 pick (Bismack Biyombo)
    Milwaukee receives: Stephen Jackson, Beno Udrih, Shaun Livingston, No. 19 pick (Tobias Harris)
    Sacramento receives: No. 10 pick (Jimmer Fredette), John Salmons
    Read more

    That take a few SG off the board I guess and I would have loved for home town kid Shaun Livingston to come to the Bulls as a 6'7" PG! He gave Rose some trouble with his size!

    I would like us to go after Marcus Thornton a restricted free agent on the Kings because him and Evans are both ball hog SGs!

  • In reply to smiley:

    so the bulls could have a ball hog back court of rose and thornton?

  • In reply to rob32:

    I see your point but Rose needs some help and Thornton is a high volume scorer like Gordon was over here. We need that Jason Terry high volume scorer as a starter or even off the bench (6th man)!

  • In reply to smiley:

    Disagree here. Bulls need efficient shooters to surround Derrick Rose.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Mirotic might have been a no-show risk for a poor team (like Rubio situation), but the Bulls will be, due to our 22 year old MVP a contender in the next 8 seasons at a minimum. Also we are a great market and a full house. Everyone knows the Bulls in Europe. Also for a guy from the Balkans the weather should not be an issue. Chicago can also provide him with a sense of homecountry because of a huge Croat/Serb/montenegran/Bosnian community in Chicagoland area. This guy will be itching for a move to the Bulls. You could see (don't know if he knew he was going to the bulls or not) but as a late 1st round pick he was mature enough to show up and seem happy and interested with his family there. Nodownside to this deal in my book. I doubt he will do a new contract that would make a move more difficult. I predict he will do another season in Spain and he will wear red 2012/13 season.

  • In reply to adocarbog:

    His present contract runs through 2015 and has a prohibitive buy out. He definitely won't be coming in 2012/13.

  • In reply to adocarbog:

    I read he badly wants to take care of his family as well. Move them to Chicago(large Montenegran community as you mention) & sign that NBA contract!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    If we learned anything, then we have learned that when a player wants to move, he will engineer a move. This guy may need a year or two but if he wants to play on the biggest stage, for a big time contender then he will get it done. This guy in a few years, even one maybe would be deadly along with Rose. Has a ice release and shot.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    THE TRADEUP ROCKS!!!

    Aside from whom they picked, I think Bulls tradeup was a great move!
    Many of us were hoping for Bulls combining 28 and 30 to move up.
    But Bulls moved up for just a 2nd plus cash. Only a small market team would care about a little extra cash

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    I would say that's great for the team that he plays for in the euro league, it won't help the Bulls for 3 or 4 years if he ever gets to the Bulls.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    So your plan would have been to draft three shooting guards? And let them fight it out?

    Do you realize how retarded that sounds? Do you realize that doing so would cost you salary and limit your ability to sign a free agent SG? And when one of them "wins" by default, you still have the other two on the roster using up cap space. And if you know that none of them can do the job, why even bother?

    Let me give you an example: Let's say I need someone to proofread a book for me. I hire you and two other idiots, knowing you and the others can barely read. Does that help me? No. I just have 3 retards drooling and arguing over to, two and too.

    Instead, I can save my money and maybe bring in a "free agent" or make a "trade." But if I just picked 3 jackasses and let them fight it out, I can't utilize the other two options.

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    I like that analogy Ken.

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    Great article Doug, i think there is definitely no doubt that nikola has good talent and might have been the first european taken in this draft. However the possibility of him not desiring to play in the nba kinda scares me but if the bulls are sure they can get him over here in 2-3 years i can live with this draft.

    I liked their moto of only bringing in one rookie and stashing a player, but my question for you is based on talent and needs...wouldn't have made sense to have selected brooks and then drafted bartens and stashed him? or do you think the combo of mirotic/butler is more talented than brooks/bartens?

  • In reply to vibrantleo:

    You have to think that a player such as Mirotic wants to play in the NBA, but doesn't like the fact that he could get stuck on some crappy team in say... Minnesota.

    I would think that he's ecstatic right now to be drafted by a team as globally popular and as talented as the Bulls. We'll just have to see how it all works out.

  • In reply to vibrantleo:

    My guess is that they didn't think Brooks was starting SG material. Drafting a SG only helps if he's good enough to fill your need. This was a weak draft and Brooks lasted until 25. That's a lot of evidence that he probably wouldn't have filled their need and it makes more sense to not take him.

    On top of that, I think Mirotic is a much better prospect than Bartens, so I like this move more.

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    This guy is better than I thought. Just saw him on youtube, and he looks pretty decent. Definitely didn't know he played in the Nike Hoop Summit. I read that the only reason he fell was because of his contract with his euro team, otherwise he would've been in the lottery based on potential. The Bulls said they were gonna draft the best available player, and they did just that.

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    HILARIOUS and well said.

  • In reply to TheRedPlanet:

    Ah, that was perfect Kenyalla.

  • In reply to TheRedPlanet:

    Agree with 99% of what is said above. I was hoping for a euro-stash because of the weakness of the draft. Butler will see less time than Scal so there was absolutely no point drafting anyone outside the top 2 to be part of the rotation next year (here's hoping for one!!).

    The Bulls now have a solid team player in Butler who will dutifully sit on the bench and cheerlead for the next 4 seasons at only just over $1mill per. With the proposed hardish cap likely to be the result of the lockout the Bulls will need servicable $1mill dollar guys to offset what we will be paying to keep Derrick and "Taj and/or Omer".
    Financially this is a smart move so long as JR does what he says and spends the $ to get the SG we all know we need. My preference is to find a taker for Kyle and all of our expirings because I think Ronnie as our 6th man can bring the energy when needed. The Bulls are and with Thibs at the helm will always be a defensive team so you don't want to trade away arguably your best defender who has shown he can keep DWade and LBJ in check. But if we intend to keep Ronnie our new starting SG needs to be an offensive threat and give us 16+pts per and is a 3pt threat. Asking a lot? Maybe but thats what JR will have to find to take the Bulls to the Finals and beyond.................

  • In reply to TheRedPlanet:

    This video shows some of his handle....great stroke on his jumper too, good ball rotation. I really want him to continue to work on his post game. Get a faceup game an that would be great.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=477xfv04cLc

  • In reply to TheRedPlanet:

    some more ball handling skills in this video, taking it from the 3pt pt line straight to the basket...plus hes dunking on people lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atWwTxrkN7k

  • In reply to TheRedPlanet:

    another good video...shows some more of his post game, ball handling, finishing ability

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUh6UsarLBY

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    LMFAO!

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    Damn that was funny! Great analogy.

  • Agree 100% with your conclusion. There are a ton of complainers already that will gripe about anything the Bulls FO does it seems. I think getting a guy they dont have to pay now and will likely be lottery worthy when he can come over, when the Bulls only have end of first round picks, is a great move and shows they are not as impatient as mmany fans. I hope they can pick up a SG by trade or FA, oh wait they did already pick up R. Butler to help out and I assume with a training camp behind him he will get some floor time as well, like to see him get alot of Korvers minutes.

  • Probably not his role in the offense. Stretch fours are typically not big passers as they get a lot of kick out shots.

    It will be interesting to track his development, but I'm pleased with the pick. I felt if the Bulls couldn't use the picks to trade for talent, then they needed to get one role player and one high upside guy to stash in Europe.

    I thought they'd take boganovic as the upside guy, but Mirotic is a much, much more highly regarded prospect to stash. He WILL be capable of playing in the NBA and isn't just a flier. It's just a matter of getting him here.

  • Thanks for the info on Mirotic! The Bulls are clearly aiming higher at SG than a low first round pick, which should be seen as good news for Bulls fans. This draft choice is an excellent gamble for a team that realizes its future is bright. I'm glad our decision makers have some sense of the big picture.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    +1 gazillion

    I'm so glad they have a grasp of the big picture. Bulls have enough to win now. Next I want them to assure us they have a chance to win for the next decade with a possible dynasty. I wouldn't mind doing this with our first rounders every year. Also would be nice for JR to start buying some more late 1sts & early 2nds. They extra cash from a championship wouldn't hurt :)

  • Maybe Rashard Lewis?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Kukuc/poorman Dirk imo

    Mirotic can put the ball on the floor too if he wants too.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Kuloc had elite court vision and great ball handling. Mirotic isn't really that type of player from what I can tell.

    Young Dirk might be an okay comparison before he developed such an awesome post game and turn around jumper.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Easy before you start comparing to Dirk. He is a HOF player who just won a c'ship.
    If he turns out like Rashard Lewis, then this is a big time pick.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    of course not exactly like Dirk...but he has parts of his game like resembles dirk. Post game,possible faceup game in the post. Rashard Lewis isnt bad, ive also heard Andrea Bargnani, but this guy plays better D from what ive seen.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Leave a comment...

  • In reply to TimS:

    I suspect that Mirotic will never play a game for the Bulls. He will be used as an asset in a package to get the SG the team needs. I believe that the team has to be in a "win now" mode. The key is obtaining desirable assets. No one wants garbage unless it is an expiring, etc.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    That's entirely possible, and getting overlooked.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    They aren't going to be the same team. The season doesn't start tomorrow. There is still free agency and more trades that can be made. I was hoping the Bulls would get Shelvin Mack. I think he could bring immediat help off of the bench, but Butler is a very good story. It seems defense will be his thing. He might actually be able to make the rotation if they don't get a top SG. I could see him playing in a small line-up where he guards a strech four and Deng plays the SG/SF role. If he could do that, than Rose may not have to guard a guy like Wade ever again.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Sam Smith backed up the opinion of one of you guys, can't remember who, but that he pretty much does the same things as Brewer, and this makes Brewer expendable as well as gives them another defender to throw at Wade/James. Butler is already aware that he is being brought in to defend those guys.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    You can probably count out free agency cause the Bulls don't have money to spend. They might have the MLE and for the team's sake they better prey that it is still included in the new CBA.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    even if there is no MLE, they can offer a sign and trade to a free agent, or any player under contract, for what can essentially add up to the MLE or more: the 3 expirings (Bogans,Lucas, Pargo) in addition to next year's expirings (Korver, Watson, Brewer).

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Hopefully a free agent that the Bulls have as a target wants to play for them that's all I'm saying. Bulls taking huge risks.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    since they have an unselfish MVP at 22 yrs old as their superstar, a great coach, and a 62 win team who is pretty much all coming back, I don't think its such a huge risk, especially to expect a free agent to want to join such a team

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Bogans/Lucas/Pargo and next year Korver/Watson/Brewer are actually non-guaranteed contracts, which are better in trade than expirings.

    As a plan for the new CBA, making the last year of contracts non-guaranteed is the brainchild of Irwin Mandell, Bulls accountant and Lawyer for 35+ years.

  • In reply to Edward:

    that's what I meant

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    I can't believe how many fans are sucking up to what the Bulls did for the draft last night. I thought the goal was to try and win a championship now not wait on a euro guy for 3 to 4 years as part of a Bulls potentially championship contending team. Nothing is promised for the future with this Bulls team. Rose may get fed up with the Bulls B.S. and not sign his contract when it's up. For all of you homer Bulls fans... keep holding on to false dreams and a euro player that might not even play for the Bulls. They better have some solid trade plans in mind. Oh and say goodbye to probably a few players from the so called corny "bench mob".

  • In reply to Reese1:

    They're not done. All we know is that they're not choosing the end of the 1st round to address their glaring need at 2 guard, which should make you happy. When interviewed, Gar constantly mentioned you improve your team in 1 of 3 ways, the draft, free agency, & trades. They obviously want a vet, just be a little patient.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Whenever the NBA gets their matters settled, the Bulls need to be the most aggressive team in trade talks cause if they're not, look for damn near the same team from this past season. And they had better hope this new CBA doesn't keep them from making big trades. The Bulls are taking some very big Risks IMO.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The same team that was one of the four best teams in the NBA last year, is presently sitting with the Vegas odds 3rd best chance to win the title, and a consensus top 2 team in their conference?

    I hope they can find a way to improve, but unless you believe Marshon Brooks [or some other rookie] that we could have had at #23 was going to change our outlook considerably, you are presenting a disconnected argument.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I said last week the Bulls didn't need the draft picks that they had and people lost their minds, now fans are pinning their hopes on a player that might not even play for the Bulls or have to wait on for 3 to 4 years. Bulls could've draft the players that other teams wanted like Boston and Jersey did and brought in some other assets. I just felt like they could've done better with how they used their draft picks.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    But like I said earlier, I hope it doesn't come back to bite the Bulls in the ass.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'm pinning my hopes on Derrick Rose. Thibs & the rest of the core to a lesser extent, but not any draft pick including this one. I'm pinning my hope on an organization that game me 6 championships & a young team that just won 62 games and closely matched a team many considered the favorite. This pick gives them value however, just have to keep in mind the big picture.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    And I'm sorry to say that those 6 championships came from Jordan and not the Bulls organization, sure they had a little input but if there's no Jordan, there's no championships. Hate to say it, but it is true.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    That is 100% true indisputable FACT.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    This draft was never going to address our need for a premier SG. Our picks were too low to use in a trade to get Jax as Charlotte really wanted a pick higher than Detroits so they could take Biyombo. Even packaging our 2 picks to move up was never in such a weak draft going to give a SG who will start on a prospective championship team. If anyone can name a rookie picked in the late 1st round (even in a strong draft class) who started for a Championship winning team I'll fly over to Chicago and shake your hand. It just does not happen. So how anyone here believed the draft would solve our SG woes is well I would prefer not to be as offensive as Mr Happy!

    Our SG situation will ONLY be solved in free agency/trade. If we are really serious about taking the next step then (as others have said) we might need to give up an asset we have all grown to love Taj or Omer to get the calibre of SG that will take us past Miami. We know the OJ for Ronnie + Omer is on the table - I personally think that is too high a price to pay for OJ but if Memphis either sweeten that a bit or we can sent one or the other then I say go for it. My preference has always been for Afflalo so if GarPax are set on using Taj or Omer as bait then I say the Bulls go after the players they want and not just sit around as see what dregs we can get for the expiring contracts and/or washed up VCs of the league.

    So my options in order are

    1. Use anyone other than Derrick, Luol and JoNo to get a top tier SG (we sacrifice our Bench Mob to create the best 7 player rotation we can get)
    2. Use expiring contracts with Kyle and CJ to get a second tier player (we keep Taj and Omer so maintain a strong second unit)
    3. Give the MLE (sounds like it will still be around but maybe not quite as big - which is actually irrelevant as there would be few teams who would have cap space to sign FAs to bigger contracts so most teams would have the same MLE spending power) to a bought out player who still has tread left on his tyres.

    FWIW my preferred players are

    1. Kevin Martin, Iggy, Eric Gordon, Ray Allen, Arron Afflalo
    2. OJ, Courtney Lee, JR Smith, Marcus Thornton
    3. Kobe (Ha I wish), Rip, Michael Redd, BG

    I'm sure GarPax have a list of who they are after and what they are prepared to give up to get them. I just hope the player they do finally get gives the Bulls the opportunity to improve from the season just gone.

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    The thing is as Bulls fans we are all worried about how we will handle Miami and almost every opinion is based on that. But how did Dallas stop Miami or why did LeBron just mentally quit in the finals? It is sometimes more than just talent and skills...LeBron was passing up the ball as if it is a hot potato while against the Bulls/Celtics, he was shooting 3 ptrs!! Anybody who gets the "crack code" for that is one smart fan. There has been a lot of theories with some guys saying it is as simple as Dallas having more shooters etc...But, why did LeBron stop shooting? The Bulls had better athletes/better defense than Dallas! So, it is more complex than that.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I can't crack that one, but it seems for some reason LeBron never truly feared/respected us. If he did he would have choked ;) ha

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    Well, I can't think of a rookie, but I can think of several second year players. Which what I was arguing. However, I can think of several good bench contributors in their first season.

    I agree about Afflalo, and we don't have to trade anyone to get him (in theory).

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Ya the Bulls will also be faced with a big decision to make....either to keep Asik or Taj. Honestly i would love to keep both of them but that means, we would probably have to lose either Boozer or Noah. This is gonna be a HUGE season for Taj Gibson an Asik. Maybe somehow we can find someone to take Boozer an we will have enough cash to keep Asik an Taj.

    Would the Bulls ever just ditch Boozer for future cap space or flexibility?

    Maybe get a big expiring contract for like 8-9 mil plus another player for Boozer? That way you can re-sign Taj an Asik and stay young. But you lose Boozer for pretty much cap space.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Who would you guys rather keep?

    Taj Gibson or Omer Asik!?

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Definitely keeping Asik. Taj is great but backup PFs are easier to find compared to good/athletic Centers. Most backup Centers are stiffs.

    We have had these discussions before. Look at yesterday's draft...Is there anyone who was drafted guaranteed to be as good as Asik defensively as a Center? Maybe, they will but we just don't know.
    But, we can assume that there will be several PFs drafted yesterday who will be in the same stratosphere as Taj.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    no brainer, Asik, but I think they will be able to keep both if they want to

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Well one things for certain after the way the Players Union behaved today we are guaranteed to have a lockout and with this reaction by the players the owners will not be in a hurry to get back to the negotiating table.

    Just when I was really enjoying watching the Bulls again!!

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    There was a point of view that if they have a lock-out...this is the best time to have one. The NBA is at a high and they would lose some viewers anyhow but if there were like in 2000...it would have been tougher to have a lock-out.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    sorry but you're oversimplifying it, even so throw that out. Bulls still gave me 62 wins & a rising team, no complaints here.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Everything is up in the air right now for the Bulls/fans. Will the lockout ruin next season(two or three months tops ruins it for me)?
    Will Joakim and or Boozer bounce back in a big way? Will the Bulls offense improve by adding a SG and IMO an offensive coordinator? And will some of these guys the Bulls very likely could have had such as Jordan Hamilton or JuJuan Johnson be instant contributors? If not, then the Bulls did the right thing with Mirotic. But there's no easy answer to end things or sum it up. It will take the next couple of years to see how this plays out. I have to say four years is too long for me. I woulod have went in a different direction with all the options at 23-25. Obviously Gar/Pax/the Bulls didn't like those options. Again, will see. But at least there was some reason and intelligence in acquiring a probably top ten or higher talent. And who knows maybe he's a key chip in a deal for a SG(though for four year wait I doubt it). NBA GM's who wait that long might not have a job by the time the guy/savior gets there.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'd actually glady take the same team from last year, but adding a vet 2 would be even better.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I hope it will be that easy.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    SI graded 3 winners (4 technically) & 3 losers, we made the winners:

    "
    3a. Bulls. First, Jimmy Butler. The ex-Marquette forward is polished and across-the-board good in a lot of categories. At worst, he's a terrific practice player. Nikola Mirotic, however, is the gem. A lot of international scouts are high on Mirotic, a rangy scorer with unlimited range and a surly style that enables him to play through contact. He doesn't need to contribute next season, and he probably won't; Mirotic has a buyout clause with Real Madrid worth more than $2 million. In a few years, however, look for Mirotic to come Stateside and compete for a starting spot. Said a rival executive, "He's a stud."

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Ya they could be using him as a asset for a trade but imo, im thinking Pax an Gar love this guy because he reminds them a little bit of Kukuc. We will see though, if we trade him for a upgrade at the 2, I wouldnt mind it either, I just think we can land a guy in free agency.

    As Bulls fans, we need to be a little bit more confident about our team...we just had the best record in the league, we gave miami a really good series in which if we had a SG that could score a little bit an create his own shot, we might of won the series. Plus we have a great core of players, rose,booz,deng,noah,asik,gibson, theres gonna be some ring chasers out there that will be a upgrade over Bogans and if we do get the MLE after this CBA, the Bulls could be in the running for a number of guys...as mentioned above, Redd,Vince Carter,Rip Hamilton,JR Smith,Jamal Crawford,Marco Benelli,Wilson Chandler etc...so we would sign 1 of them an keep our team in tact. I like that.

    We will have a decision to make with Taj an Asik though, not sure we can keep both of them going forward.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I would rather them use the euro guy as trade bait cause the Bulls don't have 3 to 4 years to wait on him. I just thought it was about winning now and trying to keep pace with Miami cause whether people want to admit it or nor, they are the measuring stick.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    they do have 3-4 years to wait on him actually. They are not the average team you seem to think they are ;) lol, sorry had to go there. Seriously they have the nucleus in place. To get a lottery talent with the 28th pick, thats a steal IMO.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'm cool with it cause everyone has their own opinions. No one expected the Bulls to have the season that they had so to me they still have a lot of room for improvement cause of how they were eliminated.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    They can try and prove me wrong again whenever the season starts, are they a championship contending team or not?...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    they are. They were last year too, they just ultimately failed to a really good team

  • In reply to Reese1:

    young teams need playoff experience no doubt, that's been proven over the course of NBA history

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It is crazy that some guys think Marshon Brooks or Shelvin Mack will turn out to be better prospects than Mirotic. I am sure most of the same guys and even now keep saying Asik is some "dump" guy. Are they trying to even have a legit conversation or just want to give lunatic opinions like MrHappy?

    The Bulls have a golden goose in their hands i.e. Rose and he is young. We need to give them time to put the right pieces. Doing things in haste would probably lead to disastrous results like what happened to Cleveland(taking useless salaries of Jamison etc..) or what happened to Orlando(taking useless salaries of Arenas, Turkoglu).

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I don't think the argument is who is a better player: Brooks or Mirotic?

    I think the argument is: Not being sure if we'll ever get Mirotic and if so, knowing that's 3-4 four seasons away, would it have been wiser to draft Brooks and hopefully get good value out of him 2-3 years from now as our starting 2.

    If the Bulls come up with Rip/Chandler/ or even Afflalo I would be thrilled with stashing a great looking prospect like Mirotic. However, there is a BIG question about how we could get such a 2 guard other than last night draft.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    First of all, why do you assume that we will not get Mirotic for 4 years? We might get 2 years from now. And, we saw with a developmental guy with the Bulls like James Johnson....no time on the floor. But, we also saw what happens with a guy who has played in Europe for a few years and is fundamentally sound...big time trust in playoffs i.e. Asik even though a rookie.

    How do you assume we would get good value from Brooks after 2-3 years? First of all, he is iffy prospect who doesn't play much defense. Then, Thibs has to trust him or he will be at the end of the bench.

    We need somebody who is >24 <33 for now to make an impact or start for the Bulls. And, I am glad they didn't take Brooks. It would have been a waste even if he eventually turns out to be good.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I said "hopefully", I didn't assume. I think i hedge everything I said. There are risks on both sides of the argument.

    As for 2 years from now, anythings possible, but as Doug and most/all reports have said, it is very unlikely. Buyouts just too big.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    Also, I said it was a great pick IF we can get a Rip/Chandler/Afflalo.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    I wonder if Rasual Butler will get a look this year as well.

    If we went after Wilson Chandler, I would start Brewer or Korver and bring in Chandler off the bench. Chandler can guard SG/sfs plus shoot the 3 and takes it hard to the hole. Would be another athletic body to throw at wade an Bron.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    He can be the "utility" guy i.e. give a break to Deng, the future "SG" depending on the match-ups.
    But, he is more of a luxury buy. The Bulls need to first fill the SG with a talent upgrade over Bogans. Then, based on the new guy's match-up issues, get a Chandler or a Butler. Ex: If Jason Richardson has problems guarding Wade, then they need another guy to help him.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Or if Memphis wants a lot for Mayo....send them Asik an Vince Carter for Mayo...that way you get rid of Carter but he is still a good trade peice for another team.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I have my doubts in Brooks as a team player as well. Will he be a chucker like Larry Hughes? That's what I see. I liked Charles Jenkins, who is efficient and unselfish, very good shooter too, plus we could have gotten him later. Wish they could have bought a pick to get him in the 2nd, but oh well. I pout my faith in the professionals.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    The question is do you believe in the big picture, or do you live for the next year only. & if you live only for the upcomming season, do you want to put a lot of faith in a rook?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Dont forget the Bobcats traded away Stephen Jackson as well. Hes their best player and now they just got younger. Biyombo to me is really raw an probably wont help right away and Kemba will be good but not as good as Stephen Jackson. So our pick from Charlotte could have just became a little better. Maybe Bulls find their future SG in next years draft...which is really deep.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    better now, but better in 2-5 years? I don't think so, really like Kemba

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I think the Bulls FO might be a bit ambitious and might be looking at a guy who is bigger in size and is also more of a 2-way player after the experience with Ben Gordon(size) and Brewer/Bogans(only defense).

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    The guys left that fit that: 1) Rip if he gets bought out, 2) Wilson Chandler (if you think he's an answer at the 2, and you outbid Denver), 3) Affalo (if you outbid Denver).

    Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that happens with a new CBA.

    The other option I've neglected is trading Taj/Asik for a SG. Which, since it is extremely doubtful you can sign both, might be advisable. However, than you have big holes at backup Center/PF, with starters that tend to get hurt.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    Unless you are of the school that thinks Butler can be a stretch 4 in this league.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    honestly...i know everyone hates Vince Carter...but if the Bulls are looking to take a chance, I wouldnt mind him. Put Vince Carter in the Eastern Conference Finals playing against the Heat and I think VInce Carter comes out to play. Plus instead of Wade running around jumping passing lanes an not even guarding Bogans, he would have to deal with VC. A 6'7 SG that can post you up, take you to the hole an draw fouls, Plus he hits the 3 at a decent rate. We dont need Vince Carter from 2002, we just need a guy that can score 12-14ppg an create his own shot. Another good thing about VC is that he draws fouls pretty well too.

    Defensively, obviously, he isnt the best at it. But the Bulls do play a very helping defense where there is help everywhere. If VC can just do his job, the Bulls should be alright, if VC sucks on D, we still have Brewer. And who knows...what if you come across a trade at the deadline an you have the chance to throw a guy like Vince Carter in the deal just to sweeten it....every team wouldnt mind that.

    Just a example....Noah,Vince Carter,Taj Gibson + 1st Round Pick

    FOR

    Dwight Howard an add in....

    so instead of losing Deng too, throw Carter in there and maybe they wouldnt mind having him back. Who knows.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Great post Chiry....like I said, he would of been in the lottery if it wasnt for his contract situation. Bulls traded up because they were afraid the Mavs or the Spurs would of grabbed him, and we all know that the Mavs an the Spurs know Euro talent.

    Jerry Reinsdorf said just weeks ago that the Bulls would of won the Miami series if the had a SG. And he has said, if we have a chance at the title, he will spend the money...so now we wait for Jerry and see if hes lying to us or what. I think theres a good chance the Bulls band-aid the situation and grab a vet now for a couple years until they can find their perminent SG of the future.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I don't see them trading it anytime soon, and agree they can add a SG in another way this summer. However, they are starting to aquire some assets they can use to make a blockbuster deal in about 3 years, with this guy & the Charlotte pick, though I think Charlotte did pretty well in picking Kemba Walker. They just improved and decreased the value of that pick IMO.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    +1 about being more confident. Totally agree. I think the ending left a bad taste in a lor of fans mouths. I am still very confident in this young team however. Look at the HUGE jump they made last year. They are going to improve some this year, with or without additions, its that simple. They are a young team on the way up.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Asik's contract is up this next season (or lack there of, so technically we could have seen the last of him without a new contract)

    Assuming we can sign them: Do any of those shooting guards put us over the top against Miami?

    Redd? Maybe, but a complete crap shoot.

    Carter? IMO, no way, it's a joke to even consider Vince Carter. Especially not with Boozer on the floor ::shutters at the thought of wade driving right past them both::

    JR Smith? Like Redd, its a crap shoot, but for other reasons (see: crazy). Plus, I highly doubt Paxson resigns a guy he traded for peanuts.

    Jason Richardson: Not Boozer bad on defense, but not good. He 3 point shooting disappeared, even with wide open looks, in the playoffs.

    Chandler/Afflalo? Good options, but Denver can afford to out bid us for both. We could try to make them blink tho. I think Afflalo is the more likely option.

    Crawford? Well, defense is the issue again. You get a one way player. Which I'm fine with, but coming of the bench. -Marco Belinelli is a worse shooting but equally bad defensively version of him. He also vanished in the playoffs.

    The only options the Bulls had before Draft night, IMO, that would put them over the top: 1) Rip post buy out, 2) Steven Jackson, 3) Brooks, who hopefully becomes a starting caliber SG in year 2/3, and puts you over the top.

    Now the ship sailed on options 2 and 3. So, hopefully, Rip is bought out and we have the money to sign him. PLEASE BASKETBALL GODS MAKE IT SO.

    If not, if we have the money, Chandler/Afflalo are our best bets(not sure Chandler could guard a Wade, he's more of a 3)

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    Glad to know you see what i'm seeing. It will not be easy to bring in a lot of these guys.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Well, I think they will be good, maybe even a better team. Especially if Rose gets his mid-range game back. However, I think Miami will find ways to improve too.

    What I don't really see is the Bulls getting a "fix" at SG that makes them better than Miami at this point. That guy just isn't out there. I think Afflalo is about as good as it gets, which if we got him, I would be happy with.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    IMO, I think the Bulls do have time. Were a top team in the NBA, title contenders this year coming too, we could have a chance to add a veteren SG through Free agency while keeping our team in tact. If the Bulls can add any of these guys it will be a upgrade over Bogans imo...Rip Hamilton,VC,Jr Smith,Jamal Crawford,Wilson Chandler,Micheal Redd...Marco Benelli shooting wise but not defensively. Plus we stash a potential lottery pick for our future. Rose,Noah,Deng,Taj,Asik,Brewer are all younger guys, i think we will be alright.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Bogans is really good on defense and can hit the three respectably. Do you really think what you lose on defense "VC,Jr Smith,Jamal Crawford,Wilson Chandler,Micheal Redd" will make up for on offense? That's the problem to me. Rip would be awesome tho, at least for a few years.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    I don't know who would be the better fit, but they definitely need another scoring option that can create their own shot.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    I think Jason Richardson is a pretty good fit and he missed a game in the playoffs.
    Why would Brooks who was not picked till the 20's in a poor draft better than Crawford defensively? He is supposed to be worse.

    We have defenders to play Wade(Rose, Brewer, Bogans, Butler?)...We need offense

    I think you are just looking at buy-out guys and FAs. The Bulls might be looking at trades based on the new CBA.

    Logically, the new CBA should benefit the Bulls and there will be salary dumps based on expiring or short deals for about 8-10 mil. They cannot obviously take on a big salary of 15 mil but they can for 8-10 mil.

    If that doesn't work out, then they can go to the worst case scenario of trading Taj or Asik for a SG next trade deadline.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Again I think you're basing the Bulls future on ifs. What if they can't bring in a Jason Richardson, again like I said... Bulls taking some huge risks. Good luck to them tho.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    So your idea of not taking risk is drafting some kid like Brooks or trading Asik for Courtney Lee?
    Those are bigger risks.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I have stated before that the Bulls should've traded their picks, all of them, they don't need rookies, they need vets that can score. They don't need a player they have to wait on for 3 or4 years. Good luck to the Bulls with their trades in the future, they will need it.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    ya I was just throwing something out there...but i mean if Carter or any of the other older vets that we might pursue in FA dont work out, the Bulls could always possibly swing a deal with a team and trade VC or others instead of 1 of our other key players.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything, and again, I really like Mirotic, but I'm just trying to show that getting that 2 way SG for next season is looking pretty bleak. To me, if we don't trade someone (creating other holes), then we have one option: Afflalo. I think Denver outbids us on Chandler and I think Rip continues to collect his pay check from where ever he ends up. I think we might have enough for Afflalo tho.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    You are talking about the worst case option of creating a hole. The Bulls are not creating a hole unless they are getting a premier SG like an Ellis.
    See, Jersey's post..I think he makes a lot of sense. The Bulls even if their salary is at 60 mil will be fine. The overall cap cannot be 58 mil hard cap. It will be a flex cap of about 70 mil with some penalties which I am sure the Bulls are ready to take. The point is a lot of teams have screwed up with excessive spending(Orlando) who will have to throw away players. That is something which is probably going to happen IMO. Off-course, everything is a guess right now.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I don't disagree. However, I argue that most of the player we can get don't help us (aka make us better).

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    the players have already shot down a hard cap too

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    takes two to tango...

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Yahoo:

    Chicago Bulls

    Additions: Nikola Mirotic, Jimmy Butler

    Grade: A

    As a fan, I walked away disappointed from this draft haul. How could I not? I respect the Mirotic pick, but would prefer some win-now help, and Butler might not even be worth a first-rounder's guaranteed contract.

    But once the fan-glasses come off, this was a haul worth appreciating. Mirotic won't be over until 2014 at the earliest, but that's also a player you don't have to pay, and a lottery talent that will no doubt be giddy to join the Bulls once his contract with Real Madrid (a top-flight organization that knows how to develop players) ends. Butler, meanwhile, is a worker who at the very least will spell Luol Deng(notes) at times next season defending wings.

    Deng, if you'll recall, averaged 49.8 minutes per game in the regular season, a mark that was upped to 992.4 minutes per game in the playoffs. It's late June, and he hasn't even left the United Center court. He's still there, hunched over and grabbing the ends of his shorts, trying to catch his breath.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    Luol Deng averaging 49.8 minutes a game! Dude is logging some serious overtime out there giving 120%

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    992.4 Minutes per game in the playoffs! He's still out there guarding LeBron. The Sultan of Sudan going hard!

    Yahoo is 100% right on statistics 30% of the time.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    I like Jimmy Butler. Who's with me? Guy looked pretty good defending Marshon Brooks.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    Ya i agree....got to have a center. They are much harder to find, I just like Taj a lot. Can Taj ever reach a different level then what he is at right now? Can he make that next step to become a 12-14ppg type guy? Im not sure, this is gonna be a huge year for him. If we do trade Taj, send him out West lol

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Ya know, I always thought Taj improved considerably when starting, at least his shooting touch... can anyone determine his stats during games he started, he must have started more than forty games now over the last two seasons, with injuries to Tyrus and Carlos...

  • In reply to Csharp:

    What frustrates me is that everyone says that we have to build our team to best the Heat, and guess what... They got better on draft night and we didn't... Many think Norris Cole was one of the top pure point guard prospects in this draft... The team that embarrassed us in the ECF got better... Am I the only one that finds this problematic? I sure hope we're not done making moves...

  • In reply to RC360:

    will see how good Norris Cole is when he no longer is playing junior colleges essentially, but rather the best players in the world

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    +2 thats what im saying....i think hes only 5'10, probably shorter

  • In reply to Csharp:

    He's also 1 of only 2 guys in the last 15 years to put up 40+ pts 20+ rbs... 41/20/9 was his stat line... Say what you will, but not just anyone puts up those kinda numbers... Ask the last guy who did it... Blake Griffin...

  • In reply to RC360:

    I think that's more a reflection of his competition. A PG should never get 20 rebounds

  • In reply to Csharp:

    The one peice of information that gives me soem hope that Mirotic will come over is the fat that he put his name in the draft. Didn't have to and he has tp like the fact that it was the Bulls who selected him. Jordan is still very popular in Europe and they must be following Rose as well. I like it.

  • In reply to takdan:

    I think he did it to see if a high quality team picked him, and they did

  • In reply to Reese1:

    If not, then they come back with Brewer (hopefully starting), maybe Bogans, Korver, & Butler. Not all that risky, quite the opposite IMO. Risky would be putting all your eggs in the Marshon Brooks basket & failing.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    How is he a good fit? He hits the three in the regular season, ok, that helps. However he is bad defensively and disappeared in the playoffs this year. Plus, he's getting older.

    And if Richardson is the starter and on the floor he will be guarding Wade. Unless you want him off the bench. Deng is on Lebron. And Rose isn't going to the the one doing it.

    The Bulls have a 60 million salary next season, 48 the next (without Asik, with Brewer team option). 8-10 million is ALOT for the Bulls.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    you guys think Richardson would accept a MLE, or we could sign & trade for him?

  • In reply to TimS:

    Sorry, reply fail.

    As I meant to say, I sure hope he isn't another Bargnani, an inefficient scorer, horrible rebounder, and bad defender who sucks the life out of his team. I don't want another Rashard Lewis, either.

  • In reply to TimS:

    me neither. I hate comparrisons. Just let the guy be his own player. I have been extremely underwhelmed by all the comparrisons except for CSharp3410's.

  • In reply to TimS:

    I'd take a cheap Rashard Lewis in his prime.

  • In reply to TimS:

    the bulls are going to come back with the same team that barely got by Atlanta and got smashed by the heat, brilliant.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Ya im pretty sure the Bulls save money here by keeping him overseas because not he isnt on our payroll. Is it going to be a lot? Probably not but its deff. a little more then what they would of had. Now its time to see if the new CBA is going to have a MLE or not. If they do, thats going to give the Bulls all kinds of options at the SG. Micheal Redd,Jamal Crawford,Jr Smith,Rip Hamilton,Vince Carter,Wilson Chandler,Marco Benelli,Nick Young... are all possibilities. Maybe with Charlottes pick next year, the Bulls can find a better SG prospect plus in a much better draft next year. Should be really deep.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    The Bulls are a good team. The chances of us being in the high lottery over the next 5-10 years based on performance are next to zero (hopefully!)

    I see this, and the Charlotte pick, as ways of potentially drafting a high level player over the next few years and that's not a possibility that we wouldn't have had otherwise. As several people have said, we weren't going to get anything in the draft which helped immediately anyway.

    Excellent pick, I like it a lot.

  • In reply to Match82:

    and hopefully they can do it more in the future. Would like to get a European pipeline going that pays off for the next 2-10 years. Good way to get some high end talent while drafting late.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Do the Bulls save the cap-space money on this guy? I know they will be over the cap but if there is a hard cap of some kind, the Bulls are in a great situation to use the expiring contracts to get a real SG.
    And the other good thing is there a lot of teams now with multiple SGs who need to let go of one of them for cap-space/minutes reasons(ex: Detroit). I like Gar Forman...I think he has better NBA business sense than Paxson. Paxson might be good in evaluating talent but might not be good at figuring out the cap/talent puzzle...just a hunch based on his previous decisions.

  • Excited about Mirotic he will be the future at the starting power forward position for years to come. With his shooting touch from beyong the arc he will be a great compliment to guys like Asik and Noah for their relentless offensive rebounding. Also I like that Mirotic plays defense well with exceptional shot blocking ability. At 6'10" he is attractive. I anticipate Boozer will be done via amnesty by the time Mirotic makes his way to the windy city yet with Rose driving and Mirotic spot up j this will be a dominant team for years to come. Couple that with Taj Gibson and Asik sticking around and we are on to something folks. Regardless a value pick that at minimum if he's merely a complimentary player, at least he has a jump shot and can play defense. Scouts say if not for his contract issues would have been a top 10 pick. Honestly I agree no telling what the ceiling is for this guy. If he learns to play post and put the ball on the floor we may be looking at a better Dirk Nowitzki! lol. hey ya never know!

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