Jerry Reinsdorf "We probably would have won the Miami series if we had a 2 guard who could score the ball."

Jerry Reinsdorf "We probably would have won the Miami series if we had a 2 guard who could score the ball."

Per the sporting news:

"We had a 12-point lead with, what, three minutes to go?" he said. "My goodness, you can't lose a game like that."

"At the beginning of the year, I was hoping we could finish with the
fourth seed (in the East)," he said. "I thought we would be fighting
for the fourth or fifth seed. Obviously, the team exceeded my
expectations.

"Then what happened in the Miami series was simply that our inexperience was exposed."

"He's going to become an even greater piece of our team next year,"
Reinsdorf said. "At this point it's still Michael (Jordan) 1, Scottie
(Pippen) 2 and Derrick 3, but Derrick is going to become one of the
all-time greats. I truly believe that."

"We probably would have won the Miami series if we had a 2 guard who could score the ball."

Add up the Reinsdorf paraphased quote math here...

1) I will pay the luxury tax to win a title

2) This team can win a title

3) If we had a scoring two we'd have beaten Miami

One would put these three things together and leap to the conclusion that the Bulls will go into the tax this year to bring in a scoring two guard.

Expirings + Picks for Iggy?  Ellis?   Gordon?  

If the Bulls are willing to spend, Iguodala should be the answer.  He gives the Bulls a scorer, an explosive defender, and a secondary ball handler.   Iguodala is the best case scenario for guards that are reasonable obtainable.

He improves the team on both sides of the ball while adding no weaknesses the Bulls aren't presently dealing with.   He's also available for expirings + change with the only downside being a hefty contract.

Is it time to get excited?   Is it time to get amped?  Is it time to believe the Bulls will throw some serious money down.   Jerry Reinsdorf's quote here certainly leads me to believe so.

We've been burned on the Bulls spending before, but we haven't had a team ready to win a title before, everything is in place, including the player we need to get being available.  All that's left is to make it happen.

Kyle Korver + C J Watson + Keith Bogans + enough picks to make it happen for Andre Iguodala.  Make it so.

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  • I'm surprised you like Iggy so much because he really is a below average shooter. His defense and ability to create would be nice but his shooting is not good.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    You can't have everything though.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    IF we can get him for expirings and picks it is a no brainer, even though his contract is worse than Dengs and not much better than Boozers. That would give us 3 guys whose contracts we might not be able to trade.

    Would acquiring Iggy stop us from being able to sign Rose, that is a huge risk to take.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Deng and Iggy only have three more years on their deals. I don't think they'll be that hard to trade, and the league will phase in any stricter salary rules in some fashion or put in an amnesty clause.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    He is certainly not a 3 point specialist, and I don't think that he is really a 2 guard, but he is a physical speciman who is as good offensively as anyone on the Bulls not named Rose and as good as anyone on the Bulls defensively.

  • And I don't see where you hear Philly is trading Iggy for pure expiring contracts. They would demand Asik.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    I'll help pack Asik's bags.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I love Asik, but let me know if you need help packing his bags!

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    F you guys , I'm delaying the flight with a bomb threat

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Have to agree, Asik is a guy you reluctantly part with if you have to and worry it comes back to make you look really stupid, not a pack his bags for him situation.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Particularly when good centers are hard to find these days.

  • In reply to davebursill:

    Asik is more of a classic center than Noah, and with a year or 2 or more development he might be good enough to allow us to move Noah for a significant difference maker, and I love Noah, he is my favorite Bull.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I'd agree with that thinking if we weren't trying to win now. Waiting two years isn't the current plan.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Asik's maybe an 8 million dollar defensive oriented center if everything works out well.

    I'll take a two way offensive two guard for him without thinking twice given the present makeup of the roster.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    thought you said money spent while over the cap doesn't matter?

    I'll take someone with potential who can shut down the paint & protects us from a Noah injury

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    It doesn't matter. I was merely pointing out the money in terms of what type of value I think he has.

    Iggy is a more valuable player. He's a better defender in the NBA and a far better offensive player and fills a bigger need on the team.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Orlando thought the same thing about Gortat before finding that not only is Gortat a lot better than anyone was giving him credit for, not having a backup center kind of sucks.

    IMO give Asik 30 minutes a night on some team and he makes second team all-D. I agree the makeup of the team means that you can maybe consider trading him as a luxury, but I wouldn't be just throwing him into deals.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    There are knowledgeable NBA watchers who say that Asik is already the second best defensive center in the league.

    When you get as few minutes per night as Asik did, and both Bill Simmons and John Hollinger say that you are one of their favorite players in the league, you must have something unique.

    Believe it or not, size does still matter in the NBA, Asik has it Noah really doesn't.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    except that he is not a really a guard, he just plays one when forced to.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    You are what you can defend. He can defend two guards.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I'm with that move. And if Philly insisted that leaving out Asik was a deal breaker, I'd include him. Asik might have made me change my mind about including him in a Courtney Lee deal but I don't think Asik's upside is high enough to pass on a chance at Iggy that wouldn't require any other regular rotation player besides Bogans and Korver.

    Like Deng, Iggy's a wrung below an all-star but very solid. He won't spread the floor with his shooting but he has everything else the Bulls need at the 2 along with veteran experience and a veteran's hunger to win at the highest level. If Rose improves as much as I think he will, Iggy is worth luxury tax territory because he could put the Bulls over the top.

  • In reply to magestew:

    I totally agree. Asik for Courtney Lee, I don't think so. Asik and filler for Iggy, count me in!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If it ever comes down to Taj or Asik, I keep Asik, even though contractually we can keep Taj easier than we can keep Asik.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Eh, I don't think either of them are 8 figure players, so we should be able to keep either, but we probably will only keep both.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    How about this trade:

    Bulls Receive: Andre Iguodala & Elton Brand
    Sixers Receive: Carlos Boozer + Kyle Korver + Fillers + Draft Picks

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    So you think Philly is stupid?

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    I have been preaching the Iggy deal since we concluded the summer free agency period. I thought that a trade for Iggy w/o giving up too much talent (draft picks, exceptions, etc..) would have given us the best shot at the Finals. Maybe next year.

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    GOD NO~~~~~~~ Iggy is a STIFF DELUXE who cannot create, can't shot,
    misses key free throws. His contract is 59 mil, and wasn't anywhere near being a go to guy. YES he plays good D but we have that already.
    He disappears when needed most. I live in philly and know his game well.
    SAY NO TO IGGY~SAUNO TO IGGY~SAY NO TO IGGY

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    This is a bone chilling post. First, trading Asik a foolish idea. Dwight Howard didn't leave the league. Noah bounces off the guy like bullets off of superman. Asik will only get better, and gives the Bulls their only chance to defeat a Howard led team (when they are hitting threes). Second-Iggy is not a good enough shooter, so why hamstring yourselves? 2 poor suggestions.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    they can't have him. We have no size without him, and lose our status as the best or second best defensive team.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Really? So if we lose Asik, who played 12 minutes a game and bring in an NBA all defensive team two guard, we won't be the best defensive team in the league anymore.

    That statement strikes me as patently ridiculous on the surface. Yes, Asik is a quality defensive player, but he barely played, and played largely against the opponents reserves when he did play.

    Our strength defensively isn't based around Asik.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Exactly, resign Thomas, or someone similar, to back up Noah and we're good defensively at the center position. I think people are overvaluing our players like they accuse GarPaxDorf of doing all the time. I love Asik and he has potential, but he needs to be included in a trade for someone like Iggy, you gotta give him up IMO. We're one piece away and trying to win now and not two years from now when Asik MIGHT develop some offensive moves.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    No we are not in a win now at all costs juncture, Rose was/is clearly not ready to be a champion and has 10 good years left baring injury, so we need to plan for the next 5 years, not just next year.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    IMO we wouldn't be the best defensive team in the league anymore. The numbers back up this view. During those 12 minutes Asik played the team gave up a ridiculously good 93.9 points per 100. The rest of the time the Bulls gave up a good, but not elite, 103.6 points per 100.

    The "they're playing against reserves" argument doesn't hold water because no other team's reserves shut the opponents down like this.

    Mess with the key defensive components of the bench mob (Asik & Brewer) and I think the Bulls are no longer the best defensive team in the league. They'll still be good, but as we saw in the playoffs when Thibs did mess with it by not playing them as much, the Bulls are a lot less scary without them.

    On the other hand I'm happy to trade Gibson, he's an over-rated defender who only gets such a good defensive reputation because he blocks shots and because he plays so many minutes with Asik (and to a lesser extent Noah) so the team defense looks good when he's out there. We'e seen how god awful the team is defensively when he has Boozer next to him (where as when Boozer plays next to Noah or Asik or Thomas the team is just fine defensively ...)

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I am glad that someone else finally noticed that Noah was not a/the problem defensively, it was the fact that he played nearly all of his minutes with the 268lb piece of garbage on his back.

    I am perfectly happy going forward with Noah, Asik and Taj being our bigman rotation and anchoring or defense, while getting our offense from Rose, and 2 wings who can score at will, Ellis and Iggy.

    Rose, Ellis, Iggy Noah/Asik, Bozo/Taj.

    That would be one hell of a team.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The Bulls played ridiculous good with Asik defensively, because they frequently played a five man unit of guys who are all quality defenders against most teams mediocre offensive talent.

    I'm not doubting Asik's defense, which I do appreciate, but I think that's vastly overstating the affect it had on the team. It's not like he was the only one causing the great defense of the team against the second unit.

    Besides which, you are replacing him, in this case, with an NBA all defensive team caliber player and one of the elite defenders in the league who will now play 36 minutes a game.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    As an advanced stat guy, I would expect more from you. His defensive numbers were nearly the best in the league, if not the best.

    Asik is an unusual talent, and if he had any offense he's be the second best center in the league.

    You keep building your team with guys like Gordon and Boozer and I'll build mine with guys like Noah Taj and Asik

    If any trade came down to choosing between Asik and Deng, Deng is gone if I am making the decision. You can scoff at me all that you want, in a year or 2, I will be vindicated as usual.

  • If we had a scoring four we would have beaten Miami.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Where's that Like button?

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    of all the guys on the team with a bitter taste in his mouth, wanting and needing to bust his ass this summer to come back stronger, I have Carlos at the top of the listy, right behind Rose, and right ahead of JoNo, who himself is far & away ahead of guys in contention for #4 like Gibson, Asik, Deng, & Watson.

  • he said we'd win the title if we had a 2 guard BEFORE the trading dead line,guess what? bulls still did nothing. don't get excited.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    We would have beaten Miami if the coach (Thibs) didn't let his starting center ride the bench in the entire 4th quarter of key games against Miami, most famously the elimination game against Miami. Have a serious talk with Thibs and demand some serious answers. And get Kareem on the coaching staff to work with Noah, if you're really serious!

  • In reply to Normie:

    A legitimate big man coach is a GREAT IDEA!!! For both Noah and Asik.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Kareem is a strange dude, but so is Noah maybe they would be perfect for each other.

  • In reply to Normie:

    Kareem? Nah

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    This theory of only big men can coach other big men is like only good NBA players can be good NBA coaches.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    You're dead wrong on that.
    Assuming PG types like Paxson, Skiles, Vinny or even Thibs can teach the finer points of post play is analogous to assuming a center can teach point guard skills. These two approaches to playing are so vastly different from each other their knowledge rarely resides in the same person. Put another way, it's like asking a criminal attorney to represent you in an intellectual property case. Yes, both are licensed attorneys, but that's about all they have in common; these two attorneys know absolutely nothing about the others' specialty. And so it is with the increasingly rare art of post play.

    When Kobe wanted to learn a post game did he turn to a PG? No, he went to one of the best post players of his time, Hakeem Olajuwon. Did Larry Bird (who knows a little something about BB) turn to a PG to coach his young center, Roy Hibbert? No, he went to one of the best centers to ever player the game, Bill Walton.

    I would venture your post was written by someone who has never played the post.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Considering Thibs hasn't played a single position in the NBA are you saying he can't coach any of the five positions?

  • In reply to Edward:

    Excellent.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I think if you can find the right big man coach it's helpful. However, the most important part of coaching is to be able to coach.

    The best coaches in the NBA are typically guys who were not star players, but guys who were role players in the league who made it largely on basketball IQ.

    Bill Walton is probably one of the highest basketball IQ big guys out there, so he's probably a pretty good candidate.

    David Robinson would probably be a good candidate as well. I'm not sure which guys out there would be good fits.

    However, chasing guys who were star big men probably isn't a good idea in general, much like how star players have typically made lousy coaches, I would think star big men probably, in general, would make lousy big men coaches.

    Too often they are successful largely through physical advantage or can't translate what they do into thought well enough.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    They made an offer for Mayo, so they attempted something. It looks like they'll attempt something again, and they have expirings and non-guaranteeds now.

  • Here is Iggy's stats. Can Thibs help/convince him to shoot the three better or more often as he did with Deng and Rose?

    Bulls defense would somehow be even better adding this guy.

  • OK... so Reinsdorf makes this comment, so go out and make a big move. If Iggy is the guy, Deng can move to the shooting guard spot. Just don't talk about it, be about it. Do something big Reinsdorf before I get excited. People don't want to give up Asik but a team has to give up talent to get talent. If the Sixers want Asik, make them throw in something else as well as Iggy.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    the 16th pick in the draft would be a good start to draft Marhson Brooks along with Iguodala.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Now that is a great idea, but why would Philly throw in the 16th pick in addition to Iggy, even if the Bulls gave up both of their picks.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Because Asik is a seven foot center and those type of players with size and potential are hard to come by. Trust me, a player like Asik... oh you make Philly pay and pay big.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    and Philly needs a big man, and they are in the same conference. THE BULLS MAKE PHILLY PAY BIG.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Sometimes I wonder about a lot of you guys ... and fans in general.

    Where does all of this "If we only had a 2 guard, we'd have won it all!" mentality come from?

    And before anyone gets all crazy, I realize that 2 guard is our weakest position and that we could definitely use a nice upgrade there. I love what Bogans, Brewer, and Korver gave us over the course of the season, but obviously they each have limitations.

    But it rarely gets discussed how ineffective the team was at using just about ANY of it's pieces WE ALREADY HAD against Miami.
    Our inexperience killed us.
    Our coach's lack of offensive diversity killed us.
    Our inability (unwillingness?) to attempt to exploit Miami's HUGE weaknesses on the floor killed us.

    A lot of the things we did wrong in the Miami series aren't going to be fixed by getting a new player ... ANY new player.

    Thibs, Rose, Noah, Boozer, and Deng all have work to do.

    I really do hope we find a nice talent upgrade, or maybe even two. But I'm not pinning any of my hopes of winning a championship on that happening.
    We'll win that championship when our team leaders learn to not make silly turnovers, mental mistakes, and tough shots and plays at the end of games.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    SO WHAT you're saying is you're ok with the team as is, sorry but the team as is will not beat the Heat in the playoffs no matter how much experience they have. All you have to do is watch the Finals and you can see the Bulls have to be able to score in critical situations. Rose needs help on the perimeter and someone else that can create their own shot.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reese1, I'm NEVER okay with the team "as is" when it's possible to improve.
    In other words, I would never pass up the chance to make our team better.
    But you have to be careful how you choose to upgrade a 62 win team.

    And throwing out the idea that "if we just get a better 2 guard, everything is going to be so much better next time" doesn't help us address our most glaring problems ... in my opinion.

    Let me give you a scenario ...
    At the end of games in the Bulls / Heat series ... the matchups looked something like this:

    Lebron - Rose
    Wade - Brewer or Korver
    Bosh - Noah
    Haslem - Boozer
    Miller - Deng

    Or at least that was what theoretically should have been happening ... except Boozer and/or Noah kept getting pulled.
    And so we'd run a screen with Rose and Noah ... and now Rose has Lebron and Bosh trapping him up high, Noah wide open too far from the basket, and no one else open. Sometimes they could get it to Noah in the middle and he could try and make a play, but is that really our best option?

    When Miami has tried this same thing against Dallas and Terry or Kidd, they've been burned a few times already.
    The first and most glaring time was hilarious.
    Miami put Lebron on Kidd at the end of the game, Kidd immediately gave the ball up to Marion down low and Marion schooled Miller for a 3 point play.
    On the FT, Miller was removed from the game and I don't think he returned to the game.

    Against Mike Miller (a pretty bad defender), is Shawn Marion now that much better at creating his own offense than Luol Deng?

    Why didn't we exploit the obvious weakness the Heat provided us when they put Miller on Deng?
    Because we're so intent on keeping the ball in Rose's hands at the end of games?
    That's fine, but then how is that going to change when we have OJ Mayo, or Iguodala, or Afflalo, or JR Smith, or Richardson, or Ellis, or ANYONE ELSE?
    It's not. They are going to be sitting over in the corner just like Deng was ... because our offense was not being used to it's potential.

    This was just one example of Dallas making far more use of their offensive weapons than the Bulls were willing to do.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I don't see anything in Jerry's comment that he is going to break the salary cap.

    As far as not having an effective 2 guard, that was known sometime in December, so realizing it now doesn't tell me much.

    Someone should also deal with Boozer and Noah being on the bench at crunch time.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    They won one game convincingly. Lost one game convincingly, and played three games that could have gone either way.

    It wouldn't have taken that much to have changed that series loss into a series win, and an upgrade at their worse position would have done it.

    Also, if the Bulls had simply played better they could have won too. The thoughts aren't mutually exclusively like you suggest.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I didn't suggest in any way that they are.
    In fact, just the opposite.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    You are right, if Boozer hadn't played at all we might have actually won the series, and/or if Monta Ellis had been our starting 2 guard.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    Every situation is complex as in life(not to go philosophical). You or me don't know what exactly is the problem...we are all making an educated guess. The most obvious issue was Bogans and Brewer not able to make shots. Off-course, Spoelstra looked like a genius against the Bulls because LeBron was making his crazy 3 pt shots which he is missing now.
    You are right about a lot of points though. But, if you have watched the playoffs...it is the experience which matters the most in the NBA. Look at OKC/Bulls, they panicked because they got scared of the moment. Rose looked like LeBron against Indiana what LeBron looked like against the Bulls and now LeBron looks like Rose or probably Bogans against the Mavs.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    And now Spoelstra looks like an idiot against Carlisle cause he's doing the same exact things and Lebron and Wade aren't hitting those same ridiculous shots. Thibs definitely had his faults in that series, but I think now people are realizing that Spo just got lucky in that series that his stars were hitting ridiculous shots.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Indeed, it is a complex situation, but let's look at one of your statements.

    "The most obvious issue was Bogans and Brewer not able to make shots."

    In crunch time ... when we blew at least two of the games ... it was either Korver in for offense, or Brewer in for defense.

    Neither one of them got many shots. Korver got a few ... and flat out missed some of them.
    Then again, he was being run off the same tired old screens that were being defended far better than in the regular season.
    When Brewer got his rare shots, he actually hit them.
    Imagine that ... our defensive ace SG ... actually hit his big shots at the end of games.
    For the series, Brewer had 7ppg on 57% shooting ... actually hit 2 big 3 point shots ... all while guarding Wade and James.

    Everyone keeps talking about how we need another shot creator ...
    Ok, I agree with that ... but at the end of games, in "must win time" ... are we really going to be taking the ball out of Rose's hands so that someone else can create a shot?

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I didn't realize that we were still talking about including Asik, then you are absolutely correct, we need to make them pay.

    After seeing Asik for just his rookie year, I bet he would be a lot higher than the 16th pick in this years draft, he would probably be top 10.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    If this were the case, why did they pass on Stephen Jackson? Much like Gerald Wallace, SJAX could have been had for PENNIES! The Bulls didn't want his salary! WHAT ELSE WOULD BE THE EXCUSE?

  • In reply to sukid09:

    The excuse... would be that the Bulls thought they could get a better player for less if they waited. Duh.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Age. Jackson is 6 years older and on the down side of his career - and he makes a little bit more than pennies. Iguodala is more expensive, no doubt, but he's still in his prime. His contract is structured so that there would be only one year (I think) of overlap of his current contract and the first year Rose's extension kicks in. With Iggy being 30+ and the Bulls still a likely title contender, he'd either take less money to stay or make a nice trading piece.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    jackson is one of the greatest assholes in the history of the human race, thats what.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    In the end Jackson would have helped the team considerably, but they may not have realized how close they were at the deadline, since they were seeded third at the time and didn't have great momentum.

    They have a much better chance to add a better player this summer.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Glad we're out of Dwight Howard fantasyland finally...

  • In reply to MySportsComplex:

    Don't worry, we'll get back there.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The reason that they did nothing at the trade deadline was because they had to chose to see how the season played out with the best team in the league or make a tweak. They chose to see it through. Maybe they made the wrong choice, but look at Orlando, that didn't work out for them. The team had great chemistry going and they didn't want to screw it up. But like Johnfriendly said above, if Boozer showed up, Bulls may have won. This gives me hope that the talk of going conservitive will not happen.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The reason that they did nothing at the trade deadline was because they had to chose to see how the season played out with the best team in the league or make a tweak. They chose to see it through. Maybe they made the wrong choice, but look at Orlando, that didn't work out for them. The team had great chemistry going and they didn't want to screw it up. But like Johnfriendly said above, if Boozer showed up, Bulls may have won. This gives me hope that the talk of going conservitive will not happen.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Our offer isn't significantly better than the clippers/golden state's offer. If it can be done, we're fools to prevent it. If not, bg here we(you) come[back]!

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I really like the idea of Doug's Detroit trade for Ben Gordon and the 8th pick. If they could pull that off, instead of drafting a rookie, I would try to package that 8th pick with the Charrlotte pick to get as good a guard as you could get. Maybe offer that to the Sixers for AI and the Bulls could have AI start with Gordon comming of the bench. That would give the Heat a good offense/defense kick in the teeth!

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Good for him. I think the Heat's behavior from colluding to celebrating has probably fired up the rival owners more than ever. I like the way the Bulls are going...not making hasty mistakes like some fans want to do by giving up assets for Stephen Jackson or Courtney Lee. I don't know the exact fit but Igoudala is a start along with another combo guard like Ellis to relieve pressure of Rose. We can also see he was as frustrated with watching Bogans as most of us were.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I hope Doug's Detroit trade is true and the Bulls get Gordon and the 8th pick. Instead of drafting a rookie though, I would try to package that pick with the Charlotte pick and and maybe Watson, and go after AI or someone like that. Then the Bulls save their bigs and add an offensive and defensive guard to the roster. Another trade I'd think about would be a Boozer for Elton Brand trade. I know it wouldn't be a sexy move, but I think it could work for both teams. Sixers get more scoring, Bulls get a better post defender without losing much on offense or boards. Also, I believe his contract has only two years left on it.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And I don't care about Brand's age. The Bulls can get something out of him and let Taj get more playing time without being afraid of hurting someone's ego. Eventually the Bulls will have to decide whether or not to pay Taj or someone else will. I would rather go forward with Taj than Boozer.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Brand seems to be a better bet than Boozer in making those jump shots. But, will he accept a role of the bench which is what is best right now for him to preserve him and also help Taj grow. That would be a great deal i.e. get Brand+ Igoudala for Boozer + picks + salary relief.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    No way Philly goes for that. Despite wanting to get rid of Iggy, why would they trade Brand who played well for them this year for Boozer who faded in the playoffs?

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    I sure as hell would trade Brand for Boozer if I were Philly, and I'd certainly be against it if I were the Bulls.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Does Brands contract end sooner than Boozer's, if it does then that is the way I go, whoever is expiring the soonest.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    I'm getting frustrated with this posting thing. I'm new to this and it keeps telling me it wont post so I try again only to see I've posted the same thing twice. I'm really not that dumb people. Honest.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Lol... don't let it get you down.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    Jerry Reinsdorf wants Charles Jenkins, and so does Gar Forman, judging by his judgement of talent.

  • In reply to PaBullfan:

    We're switching to wordpress in 2 weeks, and the comment system should be much better than I hope.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Oh yay, no more essays being eaten because I took so long to write them it logged me out!

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Wouldn't it be better to use Iggy as the SG rather than Deng?

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Nope he's not really a shooting guard. If the Bulls can get him and keep Deng, Deng would be the better shooter and Iggy can create his own shot off the dribble while getting to the basket. Deng can't create his own shot although they can both take turns at either position.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    defensively you put deng on the opposing SF and Iggy on the SG and they should be able to switch and not lose anything. Offensively, you're right, Deng will play the shooter role and Iggy will be the slasher.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It wouldn't really matter who's called the SG and who's called the SF. Boozer and Deng would be the 2nd and 3rd scoring options. They would let Deng guard the bigger opposing wings like James and Rudy Gay and Iggy would guard the quicker opposing wings that give Deng trouble.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    If we trade for Iggy then we have to trade Deng. They're the same type of player but Iggy is better because he can create for others. Having Deng and Iggy on the floor with Rose will still clog the lanes. Iggy is not a good shooter.

  • In reply to calle3:

    I think it could work. Deng could float around on the perimeter since he's the better shooter and Iggy can be the slasher and create off the dribble for himself or kick out to others.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Not really sure about this in relation to Iggy, he doesn't really fit the "2 guard" or "score the ball" part of the quote perfectly.

    Or it could mean JR Smith in free agency. I'm not going to get all excited about a trade just yet.

  • In reply to calle3:

    that is why I keep saying get Iggy to play his natural position small forward, then trade Deng for Ellis, while keeping Taj and Asik.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    So if we're not trading Deng, Asik or Gibson in the Iggy deal, how are we getting him exactly? Are you trading Rose or Noah for him?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Korver + Watson + 3-4 draft picks.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    So Philly wants to dump Iggy just for cap space? They don't want anything valuable in return?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Okay now i know this is gonna be a looked as a big change up from our roster but would you guys do this trade?

    lets say Kyle Korver + C J Watson + Keith Bogans + enough picks and maybe Asik like you said for Andre Iggy

    and there has been "rumors" that Monte Ellis wants to come to Chicago and GS is willing to trade him somewhere and is interested in Deng. so a Deng for Monte Ellis Trade straight up

    so you move Iggy to SF and have a line up of
    1.Rose 2.Ellis 3.Iggy 4.Boozer 5.Noah would you guys do these trades?? i want an opinion

  • In reply to deezy90:

    Thats what I've been saying for severa days now, except I don't just throw in Asik, I give up Taj if I have to sweeten the deal.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Eh, I don't see how that beats Kaman + whatever picks or young guys the Clippers throw in (better than the Bulls picks for sure).

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Why wouldn't it?

    It's more salary relief than the Clippers are offering, it's draft picks that can be used now, it's more total picks than the clippers are likely to offer, and the clippers with Iggy added for nothing aren't going to serve you up a good draft pick either.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Clearly, Doug, you haven't watched enough of Iggy's games. I live in Philly, and he's very unpopular here not just because of he's very overpaid (Philly is very good to its athletes that win and deserve big contracts, but not so much that go the opposite direction) . . . but because he can't close a game, still can't shoot after all these years and is not a good leader. One thing he does very well? Finish on breaks (that would help, sure) and play D (but Bogans and Brewer are just as good or better).

    But he wouldn't help the half-court O very much, so Bulls need to keep looking!

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Jerry Reinsdorf Speaks

    JR isn't a man who talks much. He seems to choose his words wisely.

    I'm encouraged that he thinks the Bulls are a shooting guard away from beating Miami. I think the next couple of weeks will be very interesting.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Reinsdorf says the Bulls are a 2 guard away from being champs, well he is saying to Pax and Foreman find the man you want and get him. Those who want Iggy are lost he cant shoot, the best guards out there for the Bulls would be JR. Smith, or Caron Butler Because they are basket attackers as well Stevenson some want only shoots 3's how many times has anyone seen him attack the basket? Caron plays both ends but I dont think Cuban will let him go. Reinsdorf saidwe are a shooting guard away it will get done

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Thank you Doug for explaining that, I thought that getting Iggy for expiring contracts and draft picks was the whole reason that we were talking about getting Iggy.

    Philly wants out of his contract, and they want to open up a starting role for Turner.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Philly doesn't want Deng or his contract, they want to get rid of Iggy's contract and let Turner play instead of him, Deng would just be in the way.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I would rather trade for Mayo than Ellis. Rose, Mayo, Iggy, Boozer, Noah is my dream lineup.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3kjlr3y

    Then trade expirings and picks for Mayo.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Mayo scares me, he has already put on weight in the NBA and not necessarily good weight, and he is not as explosive a scorer as Ellis, and doesn't have the same ability to get to the rim.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Iggy's someone who can create more space than Brewer or Bogans, whom we played for over 30 minutes a game collectively.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Doug or anyone:
    Can the Bulls sign and trade a player immediately before the new CBA is signed?
    ex: Warriors need a Center desperately and Nene/Dalembert are FA whom they cannot afford in terms of salary cap space. So, the Bulls sign one of them for expiring deals/fillers/picks and then trade Nene/Dalembert to GSW for Monta Ellis or do similar thing for Igoudala.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    No, there will be no signings or sign and trades before the new CBA.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Unfortunately you can't sign and trade players until the next season rolls over ... and that's when the CBA expires.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Just thought I would post this for all of the Monta Ellis fans. He is definitely interested in being traded to a contender like the Bulls. I say get him for bench players except for Taj, Brewer, and try to hold on to Asik,or draft picks but if it comes down to it, the Bulls might have to part ways with him. :Warriors execs have apparently been told that Ellis would like to stay in the Bay Area, but that if they

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Agree, as I keep saying if it comes down to Taj or Asik, I keep Asik, 7' vs 6'8" simple as that.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Deng is not now, never has been, and certainly be a shooting guard, Iggy really isn't either, but as a vastly superior athlete can play 2 better than Deng.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    If you play Deng and Iggy at the same time, then I'd have Iggy defend the opposing two, and on offense the other team chooses their roles would be similar.

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