Do we all overreact to Miami or is it just the media?

Maybe it's just that everything with Miami has to be a story.   They are written about as redeeming figures when they win, a team that overcame adversity, and did the right thing by joining forces.   When they lose, suddenly they are cocky, arrogant, and don't take the game seriously enough.

After beating Chicago and a game win one against the Mavericks, the dominating story was redemption of their decision to play together.

This is silly.   Did anyone doubt their decision to play together would likely lead to championships.  We basically mourned the fact that it simply made the league unfair.   During that off-season I would have said LeBron was by far the best player in the NBA and Wade was in a close race for the second best.

I thought they'd win the title this season, and I thought they'd have a chance to win every year for as long as they remained in their prime and would ultimately win three or four with something going wrong in one or two seasons (injury, bad luck, whatever) stopping them from sweeping.

Winning a championship doesn't validate their decision to play together any.  It's merely an expectation met.   In fact, their playing together showed a willingness to give up some money to win titles.  Something we always complain players won't do.

The whole line of thought misses the boat.  Their decision to play together never needed to be validated.  Their decision to make a mockery of other teams who were hoping to sign them did.   Their decision to claim seven titles in the preseason before playing together did.   LeBron's decision to announce his FA choice on national TV did. 

Those things can not be validated.  Those are the reasons why there's such a large lingering dislike for this group, and they haven't validated those decisions, and their quotes continue to show that they are too locked into their private bubbles to understand why people are annoyed.

The negativity over LeBron and Wade's mini celebration is merely an outcome of our general distaste for these guys

Wade held a pose after knocking down a three.   LeBron came over smiling and started jabbing him in the chest.   After Miami lost, everyone flipped out about the celebration  "They're celebrating early again, these guys don't get it!".

Dwyane Wade said everyone does something after a big shot that leads to a timeout, and they'll still do something after big shots again.   People react to that by saying he doesn't get it, but ultimately, he's right.

Is a few jabs to the chest and an extended pose any worse than some flying chest bumps, fist pumps, chest poundings, running around like a jet, or raising your arms towards the crowd repeatedly?    We've seen Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Luol Deng, Taj Gibson do these types of things after big plays.   Big plays that weren't in the NBA finals <ie not as big>.

Ultimately, the negative reaction to the little dance is that we still dislike these guys.   They proved their tastelessness and lack of tact over a long period of time with oblivious comments.   Any time anything happens with them, we'll overreact, because our natural inclination is to beat up on guys we dislike and protect guys we like.

Dislike isn't the only reason the nation is begging for a Miami loss

Every basketball fan outside of Miami is hoping that Miami loses.  We're watching just to root against them.   We want to claim that their egos got in the way, that they don't want it enough, that they're not as good we thought.

Unfortunately, I don't think that will happen.  Miami ultimately probably will be good enough, they probably will win, and the worst part is not that a team I dislike will win, but that it casts a shadow over the rest of the league for a long time.   Miami is going to get better from here on out not worse.

This could be a dynasty caliber team, a team that could lock up the NBA for five years.   A team that could cause a generation of stars to miss out on titles.  In terms of a big three, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh could be one of the best ever to play together (only a number of championships won can validate this though).

A Miami win this year makes the prospect of beating them next year all the scarier for the teams that are right there in the mix like Chicago.

A Miami loss isn't just about some guys we don't like losing, but it also validates that the rest of the league still has a chance for the next four or five seasons as well.   Almost every fan who's team is out of it is rooting for Dallas.


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  • In the last paragraph you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I'm terrified that Miami will keep us from winning a title. As much as I dislike them, their very good and will only get better

  • In reply to StephanH:

    I simply don't understand why you guys think they will just get better from here. You talk about 5 year runs but wade will be nearly 35 and a beat up 35 in 5 years. Lebron will be 31, bosh somewhere in between. One of the number one reasons Miami is in the championship is their freakishly athletic defense, they suffocated us. They wont have that defense as they slow down. Just remember, when rose is 27( prime) lebron will be pushing 32 and will have 13 seasons on his legs, and wade will be nearly 35. Well be fine

  • I think Miami has a good chance of winning the next couple of years but not sure after that.
    1. The competition will adjust like Rose, Durant coming into their prime.
    2. These guys don't seem to be mentally strong to take constant criticism for 5/6 years.
    3. Wade is definitely on the downside of his career in terms of injury and explosiveness. We are worried about Boozer's career impact when his game is not even much dependent on athleticism. Wade's game is completely dependent on athleticism which will show up once in 4 games.
    4. Even LeBron has slowed down in a way. Obviously, he is still the best player and will probably be for the next 3/4 years. Let's see the impact of all this playoff mileage on him in a couple of years.

  • Did we overreact or is it the media? It is neither.

    We dislike these Heat because they are pompous, arrogant jerks.
    If the Pistons were the bad boys, these Heat are the jerk boys.
    James pompous sense of entitlement made him easy to dislike even in Cleveland, but afterwards? Please...

    - We dislike them because of the total brain-deadness that was The Decision,
    - James forcing teams to visit him rather than visiting teams,
    - James disdainful treatment of the Cavaliers and his Cleveland fan base,
    - The

  • In reply to Edward:

    Well said.

    You might add that it's hard to like a team whose offense is based on getting calls and then watching them get them.
    They probably get at least an extra 6-8 points a game. That's huge.

  • In reply to Edward:

    It's additionally bad for the league, that the Heat games aren't enjoyable to watch.
    Their style is based on shooting foul shots. The least exciting aspect of basketball.
    The Heat bring 60 year old officials into the games. Who wants to see that?

  • In reply to Edward:

    For me it's always about LeBron. The comparisons to Jordan still irk me. Their titles cannot be looked at in the same light. Jordan had the courage (and perhaps vanity?) to stay in Chicago and know the could win a championship there, while LeBron had to weasel out and join a ready-made title team. You get the sense that Jordan earned his titles while LeBron feels entitled to them.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I don't think we know what Jordan would have done because he didn't have the chance to team up like the Heat guys did. But I suspect if it had been an option and Barkley and Drexler went to him and said "lets all play together and win championships" he'd have done it. I mean MJ wanted to win, and that would have let him win so he'd have to do it wouldn't he?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Not really. He oould have easily let his contract expire, then left the team through free agency and signed with any team he wanted -- essentially what LeBron did. And we do know what did happen, which is that Jordan won with a team built around him while LeBron bailed and joined a team that would have been pretty good with or without him.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The thing which sticks is during "The Decision" what LeBron said...I am taking my talents to South Beach. That sentence tells us a lot about him.
    I think in a strange way the problem nowadays is people are more self-centered because of reality TV, You Tube etc.. As much as LeBron cares about himself, lot of people care about themselves than him unlike what used to happen during the MJ era.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I think the biggest difference between MJ and Lebron is MJ had a father, lebron was raised by his mom who we all know isn't exactly the ideal mother. Think about it, when you grow up without a man in your home you lose the massive knowledge of how a man acts. It's.common for fatherless sons to grow up with issues trying to interact with men. Hence lebrons issues dealing with his coaches, hence lebron coming across ackward to the general public, everything lebron does or says seems just a little off, he lacks self awareness

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    LeBron doesn't have a title yet, cross your fingers....

  • In reply to Edward:

    Agree with just about everything you said. Well stated.

    ESPN's talking heads, who own and sell a product not journalistically examine/report it, are now promoting LeBron and Wade with clips and video shorts that are the most dunk emphasizing/star centered ass eatings of two stars I've ever seen. I like Wilbon, Jon Barry, and even Magic, but these guys to be at the top eschelon of ESPN Finals comentators of such an ultramarketed profit machine simply are towing the company hype line about how it's OK to love these guys. All whores for the money and limelight. Still, I do believe in justice and destiny, and I do think something will keep James and Wade from winning probably more then two titles. And how ironic that they as "greats" of the game are ruling at a time when all the lack of college traning and proper upbringing/ridiculous money is catching up with the league. These guys have none of the character/charisma of Jordan, Magic etc. And I've never seen a more boring, weaker looking Final Four/conference finals on both sides west and east then this year's. Probably more to come unless the flopping which is rampantly out of control and perverting the game along with just ridiculous "star" player salaries are curtailed. Maybe sports isn't just a business as congress has become. It's supposed to be about something more. Let's get the seats more affordable for average fans, and give the game back to every day Americans. Not Upper class/white collar elite watching teams obliterated by insane maniacally concentrated salaries. Lebron with the "wink" and Wade with the game ending "somebody put out my eye" fall down. F-ing pathetic. You guys suck, and so does Stern's floppy ass NBA. Should be reviewable with a technical foul on the flopper(two and your done), and the ball going to the other team no matter which side possessed the ball.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Completely agree that there must be a rule change to penalize this blatant cheating. Flopping is one thing and we need a rule for that, like hockey, or your technical foul suggestion.

    But this faking when there isn't any contact at all is a whole different level and is a direct assault on the game itself. As Doug mentioned in his podcast, the penalty should be as severe as throwing a punch. Say, ejection, fine, and one game suspension.

    We've seen all 3 Heat stars cheat like this. I hope someone who knows how can create a video of several of these acts and post it on youtube. Let's make it go viral. We owe it to these clowns and to the game of basketball.

    Can anyone do this?

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Any attempt to portray the Heat as likable, is akin to polishing a turd.

  • In reply to thegreatlie:


  • In reply to thegreatlie:

    I don't really think Miami get much better than they are now. They don't really have any way to improve the team, so how are they going to get better than they are (which is admittedly pretty damn good)? Despite some injuries to their role players this year they got nearly full seasons out of their three main guys, so there's not a lot of internal improvement there either.

    And the whole next 5 years is a bit over the top. Guards like Wade who rely on athleticism and don't have much of a jump shot usually don't last much past 30. I give them a couple more years where they're about this good and are favourites, then a decline where they're still contenders but probably not favourites for another couple of years.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    + 1

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Agreed sir

  • In reply to Edward:

    I agree Doug. And I understand that these guys are locked into their own bubbles, but most media guys, ESPN esp, make the same mistakes of not knowing the root problems. Its not them playing together, its how they did it.

  • In reply to Edward:

    disagree with the last point. If they win this year, they are less hungry to win the following year. The repeat is always harder than the 1st.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I was just about to point this out. After seeing various instances of mental weakness from Bosh and Lebron over the years, there is no way they will win more than 3 championships. What's there motivation 3-4 years from now to do so if they've already won several? They'll be getting old (Wade will be mid-30s, Bosh and Lebron early 30s) and it will be increasingly difficult to win.

    Right now, they have the expectation and talk to live up to, but if they win this year and next, I just don't see them mustering up the energy to care anymore.

  • In reply to ironsam:

    Agree completely. LeBron & Bosh don't strike me as the types that love the game, but rather love everything that the game has brought them. Wade is a little different, but how mony more top years does he have?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I think the league is looking at the Miami situation as a big win for the league because now team have to put their best efforts forward into building teams that can compete in to trying to achieve a championship. Teams that are contenders or close to being a true contender, don't have time to bring in project players that can't contribute now. This is where the Bulls are at this time, they are close to being a true contender and they can't take steps backwards. The Bulls have to make the right off-season moves to compete with the Heat on the offensive side of the floor and stay the course on defense with whomever they bring to the team. So I don't believe its overeacting, its just that the measuring stick is very high to keep pace with the Heat over the next several years and there's no time to waste for the Bulls cause the worst part for the Bulls is that the Heat are in the same conference as the Bulls and the goal to get back to the championship will be that much more difficult with the Heat obviously getting better after this year and the next few years.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I echo all the sentiments above.

    We can look at the Boston 3 and say they earnt the chance of "One last shot" at winning the ring. Pierce, RayRay and Kg had been loyal to their own failing teams for a long time so no-one could begrudge giving them that "one last shot".

    Where LBJ CB and DW fall is the not wanting "one last shot" but to create their super team whilst still in their prime and wanting not one ring but 7.

    My personal view is they will win multiple rings but at the expense of the NBA as a whole. The imbalance they have created means more super teams will be put together to challenge them and teams like Minnesota will have absolutely no chance of extending Kevin Love who will bolt after only 4 years of development. Very few players become superstars whilst on their rookie contract so the first and then more importantly second extension with their original team is important. I really hope the new CBA addresses this so the difference between what a player can earn by staying with his own team is massively greater than what he could get as a free agent. Sign and trades MUST be scrapped aswell so they cannot get the best of both worlds as they have at present. If you want to stay with your own then as the superstar you can earn $20mill but if you sign for another team you can earn only $8mill. I believe even LBJ and CB would have baulked at taking their talents to south beach if the difference in salaries were so vast. Mike Bibby shows that once you have been earning for 10 years then you will take the salary hit for the chance of a ring and I actually (dislike - no) applaud him for the decision he has made in his final year or 2 of his career. But it leaves a horrid taste in the mouth when someone dumps on his team whilst in their prime.

    Rant over; but if Stern honestly believes teams like the Heat are good for the long term prosperity of the NBA he is extremely deluded.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    My thoughts exactly....i want heat to lose but if they win it improves our chances next year. I think you guys forget how hard it is to repeat, let alone threepeat

  • In reply to Edward:

    I agree with you 99.9%. However, I feel that both, the media as well as the rest of society overreacts. The media overreacts because they have to. They are the ones that projected that this Miamia coalition would steamroll over the rest of humanity for years to come. They do not have the luxury that we do. As we see the world through BULLS colored glasses, the media is supposed to be unbiased and able to show some objectiveness. They are the "experts" who, outside of Dan Lebatard, are not tainted by team aflliations. They can't afford to all be wrong. So when things go right for Miami, it's their chance to chest pound and say "I told you so". It was wonderful listening to JVG eat crow when talking about Miami NOT breaking the Bulls single season win total record. Now imagine then all sounding the same when Miami does not win a title.

    We overreact because well....we have to. We see the team for what it is. We don't just look at them on paper and decide the game is over. So when flaws appear it gives us our chance to (wait for it.....) say "I told YOU so! As you mentioned above, much of the disdain has nothing to do with their basketball ability, but in the way they go about things. The celebrations, Doug, you are correct as well as Wade was...everybody enjoys making a great play. But go back to YOUR bench and celebrate. Don't stand in front of your opponent's bench and freeze frame. Don't Riverdance all the way out to halfcourt. Have a chest bump, shake a hand, slap each other on the wazoo, but do it on your end. I think that was the biggest issue with what happened. And James does it over and over and over again. It's as if he has never dunked a ball before in his life.

    And it seems as if James infected Miami with the same unprofessionalism he exhibited in Cleavland. Bosh & Wade were not these types of players before now. And if anything you think Wade would be, he's the one with the ring. There is a proper way of doing things, celebrations included and you just did not see this type of behavior from past greats of the game. LeBron has this sense of entitlement that is unprecedented. The world owes him simply because he is in it. He talked about wanting to be a global icon at times when the conversation should have been about winning.

    We overreact because we want to prove that he doesn't deserve alot of the praise he receives, basketball talent not withstanding. He continually gets the "best player in the league" tag based off what? Potential? Because he hasn't won anything to merit it. He hasn't done half the things Kobe has done. He is yet to have that look in eye like he want's to be at the free throw line with the game in the balance. We talk about the closing issues in Miami. They had the same issues in Cleavland a few times. What's the common factor??? Big Z? I think not. He's not as good a jumpshooter as he thinks he is. After game 1 he said the notion of daring him to shoot is pretty much put to bed. His ego got the best of him. What happened in game 2? That is why we overreact.

    They sing praises for his defense. Go back and watch those final 7 minutes. He was out of position almost everytime down. It was James who, instead of closing out and contesting on JKidd's and Dirk's three pointers, decided to watch the flight of the ball. It was James who decided NOT to rotated over and help Bosh on Dirk's drive to the basket. Not even an attemp to swipe at the ball, in fact, he pulled his hands back. Why? because he was guarding Jason Terry. Everybody knew Dirk was gonna get the ball, any other time, he "claims" that he asks for those defensive assignments in those situations. What changed? He wanted to make sure he stayed on a player where he had had a clear size and height advantage, and left his teammate out there to dry, the same as he did Cleavland. That's why we overreact.

    He said he decided to leave because he knew he couldn't beat Boston by himself. Really? Were there not four other players on the court with you during the game. Regardless of their talent level, any of those players would have given their next born to help James win a title in cleavland. And then there is the second comment, "I left because I needed teammates that wouldn't die down in the moment". Ummm, maybe my mind is shotty, can someone please remind me which Cleavland player quit on his team...on the court...IN THE PLAYOFFS.

    That is why we overreact. Because we have to.

  • In reply to Edward:

    That's a rhetorical question, right?

    Because YOU, Doug Thonus, are leading the charge when it comes to over-reacting about the Heat.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'm starting to think Mr Happy is just an alter ego of Thonus. What's with the personal crusade against the man? If he doesn't like him (and is real), then just don't read the damn blog! Get over it & find a new one!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    MrHappy is Tyler Durden then?

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  • In reply to Edward:

    Amen, it's not like lebron became a douche bc he joined Miami, him joining Miami just educated people.

  • FWIW, Riley has been always looked at as a slick operative with his oily hair and Armani suits even in the 90s.

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