Bulls rejected Omer and Brewer for Mayo at the deadline will talks be revisited?

I was talking to one of my Bulls sources the other day, and he told me that the Bulls were in talks for O.J. Mayo at the deadline.   K.C. Johnson had reported that the Bulls offered up two firsts, and a second for Mayo.

But according to multiple league sources, the Bulls aggressively pursued
Grizzlies shooting guard O.J. Mayo, offering Ronnie Brewer, two
first-round picks and one second-round pick.

However, my source said the Grizzlies countered with Brewer + Omer for Mayo which the Bulls rejected.  Given that Ronnie was an important defensive cog for our team, and I think we really need his defense to get past Miami, I'm not that disappointed with the news (though I probably would have made that trade).

However, I find it hard to believe the Grizzlies were really that enamored with Brewer and were probably looking to use him to match salaries with another player likely involved heading to
Chicago (that part is speculation).

What's interesting to me is that it proves a couple things.

1: The rumor about the Grizzlies being unwilling to deal with the Bulls is [not surprisingly] B.S.

2: Omer Asik + Salary relief might be enough to land Mayo on draft day.

Would you trade Omer for Mayo?    I think I would.  He's a solid young big man, I can see him being a Joel Przybilla down the line.  A guy who can block a lot of shots, play very good defense in the paint, and be basically hopeless on offense.

I think O.J. Mayo right now is worth more than a prime Joel Przybilla.  Of course, a lot of that depends on what you think of Mayo's game where his statistics, minutes, and role on his team have declined heavily this past season while the team itself has blossomed.

I think Mayo can be a two way player for us and play 30 minutes a night.  I like Asik off the bench, but I don't see him as more than a 20 minute guy while Joakim Noah is on the roster.   Granted, he does provide excellent depth in case of injury, and you can never have too many bigs.

However, when you're going to win, you need to maximize the talent in the game, and Mayo's ability to upgrade the talent for considerably more minutes is important.

Granted, since the deadline several things have happened.

1: Omer Asik played even better.

2: The Grizzlies made it to game 7 in the second round and might be more inclined to keep Mayo for another year.

Will the same offer (minus Brewer) be on the table at draft time?   Was Brewer actually a critical cog in the offer? (if so, I don't think it's worthwhile)

Of all the trade scenarios in the world, the three I find most likely are:
1: Chicago trading up for a higher pick with their two picks
2: Chicago trading for O.J. Mayo
3: Chicago trading for Courtney Lee

We'll see what happens.

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  • Korver and the Charlotte pick for Mayo seems fair to me. I'd probably trade them Asik, lets be honest.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    +10

  • As I said at the time, Brewer is better than Mayo (unless all you care about is PPG), so throwing in picks on top of it would have been insult to injury in the deal. Bulls dodged a bullet on that one.

    Moving Asik for Mayo seems an even worse deal to me.

    I just feel like the key elements to this team's identity are Rose, Noah, Deng, Brewer and Asik. Try to bring in players who fit around those guys, don't disrupt the D by trading some of them away. At least not for mediocre guys like Mayo.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'd probably rather have Mayo than Brewer. Mayo's a two way player, Brewer isn't. I agree that he's not a high level guy who's matched his predraft hype, but I think he can do everything, including defend, fairly well.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    C'mon man. i don't know if i would move Brewer and asik for Mayo but c'mon man, Mayo is way better than brewer. Mayo can learn to play D but i doubt Brewer can be a real shooter during his career.

  • Didn't Memphis release Brewer before 2010 FA after they have given a 1st round pick for him? What made the Bulls think they will take Brewer and a bunch of late first round picks? Something is not right there...it is like Charlotte trying to trade Tyrus Thomas and a late pick to Chicago for Noah.

    I think the Grizzlies might finally dump him probably for the Charlotte pick if they figure out that Mayo is financially not viable for them.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Exactly.

    That's why this rumor is complete bullshit. So Memphis lets Brewer walk and then would trade for him 6 months later. Huh???

    I can see the Bulls having some interest. I'd like to see Mayo on the Bulls. But there is no way the Bulls went to Memphis with a trade proposal built around Ronnie Brewer. Puh-leaze. That would be insulting to Memphis.

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    are you Kenyata Wright from Sam Smith Blog ? remember me, we used to chat there.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    No. My name is Kenyalla.

  • I think it's too much. Asik and Brewer are game changers on defense -- I'm not sure that Mayo is that kind of player on offense. I'd take him, but not for those two guys.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Yep, I agree. I'd rather just have Ronnie Brewer playing 30 mpg. I think is is very capable of scoring 14 ppg like he did early in his career. He's got a great mid range I dare to say, wouldn't even call it good. He was draining that big time at the end of the year. You can tell he was putting in the work all season, trying to improve his jumper. Even started taking a few 3s at the end. And then his defense, I agree, game changer, along with Asik. People forget, we controlled Miami during that series when Asik was out on the court, its only when he went down with the bloody chin and leg injury (twice) that Miami pulled away.

    No way, Asik & Brewer too valuable to our identity, and Mayo overrated, overhyped.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    People forget we could have easily, easily won 2 of those games and been up 3-2. I don't want us to overreact and trade a couple of key pieces for a guy, who I agree, is a bit overrated. Mayo can help but I think the Bulls were right to reject that offer.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    that series was a lot closer than the 4-1 outcome, but many are not treating it that way

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    +100. Agreed, We have the best defensive 2nd unit of the nba and Brewer and Asik are the best defenders of that group. It's too much for Mayo.

  • Not giving up the Charlotte pick for Mayo, that pick will become more valuable after next year when they are in the lotto again! Pretty sure we have the room to do Asik for Mayo straight up. Lets us keep our picks which will be great depth when we lose Brewer, Korver and Watson at some point.

  • In reply to nolebron:

    I agree, that pick right now is worth about a low 20s pick, but in 2-3 years it will be closer to becomming availiable, and it will be clearer that it will be a very high pick.

  • Are there any other players from the Griz that we would want besides Mayo. Maybe we could do Asik, Brewer, Picks, Salary relief for Mayo and ?????.

  • In reply to adocarbog:

    Tony Allen

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    won't happen though.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I think Memphis would just LOVE to get Asik so they can send Gasol packing without having to pay him. Asik is a monster piece to trade, especially after he matures this year. I've got a half a mind to believe he eventually surpasses Noah. Remember how brutal was in year 1? And its not like Asik needs to learn to shoot a jumper, Noah's jumper is terrible.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Asik will never be better than Noah...

  • In reply to calle3:

    yes he will. Asik and Noah are the same type of players : defender, rebounder and inactive on offense. Asik can be a better defender than Noah because he is bigger. Actually he is already a better defender.

    I don't get the point of keeping both, i would trade Noah for a star since Asik can do his job better.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Noah put in a bunch of work on his offense last off season and it paid off as we saw pre-thumb injury. That injury killed his offense this year. For a player who's been a shooter all his life, it's a lot easier to get back to your old shooting level after an injury like that, but if it's a new thing you just picked up, it was going to take him a lot longer to develop that confidence back in his shot. I'm not saying that Noah is a offensive superstar or ever will be, but I think we'll see a different Noah on offense this coming season after another off season of working on it. I'm not getting into the debate of who's better or who will be better, but Noah did show us what his offensive potential is like back in Nov/Dec. Give him another off season and I think people will be changing their opinions of him.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    I hope so. If Noah doesn't show his offense, he cannot finish games as his defender will leave him free. But that said, even if his shot was missing, what was stopping him to drive and finish at the basket or jump-hooks when the Bulls desperately needed them.. That's why I am not very confident(I hope I am wrong)..

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Not sure why he wasn't driving much against Miami, he and Boozer never totally meshed on the court. Boozer clogging the lane looking for rebounds may have stopped some of that. Not sure thought, but I do think the core guys need another year before we can fully judge them unless the perfect trade is out there now which I doubt. Due to all of the injuries, those guys never had much time to gell as a unit on the offensive end. Defensively with the exception of Boozer, they were great. Hopefully the lockout doesn't last too long and these guys get a training camp to practice together.

    Despite the flaws, they still won 62 games and made it to the ECF...we can't forget that!

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    That's true but Noah was terrible on offense. It was one thing to miss a few shot and lose. But, when you can't run anything and look lost, they are 2 steps behind now. Now, we need to see if they can run good sets and then if they do that...can they make the shots? Noah definitely has better hands than most centers...that's why I am surprised at his offense or lack of it.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Noah doesn'T have a real shot. He shoots well the free throws. his jump-shot is too slow. he releases it too slowy and because of that he can only takes it when he is wide open.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    His shot is UGLY but pre-injury he was hitting those open jumpers and that's all you need.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Agree. That is the problem why he was not trying his shot in the playoffs as defenders were leaving him free and he was not confident of having that extra few seconds to make that shot. He is one guy who needs to work on his game and it is so obvious what he needs. If he doesn't show his offense next season, I think GarPax will definitely move him.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    you right though I'd move him right now. no need to wait. i know his value. he is only a defender.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Most teams that win championships have a plethora(lame I know) of offensive weapons do they not? Let's say Noah comes back with some semblance of offense 13-14ppg, and back to playoffs of past Noah with 15ppg on lobs, put backs, and some hooks etc. And Boozer suddenly is going down the toilet at 29 or 30 with his offense the first two months of the season at 19ppg on 50some percent shooting? Nah, he'll bounce back unless more injuries ensue.

    But even with that offensive boost the Bulls are still woefully short on weapons. O.J. Mayo shot .380 two years from three and .364 this past season. Scoring 17ppg and then 16ppg on .458 shooting? Granted he seems questionable maturity wise, and only gets to the line three times a game. But seriously, you wouldn't take a chance on talent like that for second round no offense Omer Asik? I think Gar/Pax's overvaluing is catching. Seriosuly I respect those who'd rather keep Asik he's a cool guy/team player with some talent defensively and rebounding. But I'm all for Asik for Mayo plus a first rounder or Brewer or any other second rate offensive player/guard they want. And I do like Ronnie also defensively, but neither one can be the impact guy Mayo could. Unless he has a lousy attitude/immature/Tyrus syndrome I get him case closed.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Unfortunately, Brewer will never be the key peice to another trade deal. At least not in concert with OJ Mayo for that matter. I would give trade anyone on the team outside of Derrick Rose to help the Bulls win a championship (yes, that means you too Noah...) But I just don't see that kind of interest over neither Brewer nor Asik coming unless Taj Gibson is the entree'.

    Once the Bulls are willing to either put Gibson in a smart deal to get a premier No. 2 scorer or keep him and dish a big or Deng, we will be in the position we need to get past the Conference Finals.

    Also, any pick that late outside of Kyle Singler (who will probably go earlier) is worthless to our championship hopes next season unless they are trade bait.

    I can always eat crow though!

  • In reply to ChiPride:

    I wouldn't assume the 28 or 30 picks will bring in someone worthless to our title aspirations. Look at what a team like the Spurs do late in the draft. The Bulls were very close, and I disagree with the notion that only the addition of an all star can help them acheive their goals. With just 1 more guy that can hit an open shot, that can create a little, they improve tremendously. There are guys every year late in the 1st, in the 2nd, and those that go undrafted that fit that description.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I agree with you on that..."just 1 more guy that can hit an open shot, that can create a little, they improve tremendously." One guy who fits that bill but a lot of people on here don't want because he's not as explosive a scorer as Ellis or Kevin Martin is Courtney Lee. He can do everything that you described without being a head case and feeling like he should be the #1 guy like I fear Monta Ellis would be.

    If you're talking late in the draft, I think a guy like that could be had as well. I wonder why no one talks about David Lighty with a 2nd round pick. I see him being a steal in the 2nd rd and a solid player for years.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    I have liked him since his rookie year with Orlando. If Houston is not asking for too much, I would love to have him, however I fear they are.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I fear that too. He also played pretty well when given consistent minutes in NJ.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'm still hoping for a Stephen Jackson deal tonight.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    keep hoping. Bulls are the best when it comes to do nothing.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    The Bobcats, Bucks and Kings have agreed to a three-team trade that sends Stephen Jackson to Milwaukee, sources tell Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski.

    Charlotte receives the No. 7 overall pick and Corey Maggette, while the Bucks get Jackson, Beno Udrih, Shaun Livingston and the No. 19 pick. The Kings get the No. 10 pick plus John Salmons from the Bucks. Jackson will immediately step in as the starting shooting guard in Milwaukee, while Salmons' exit should mean a starting gig for Carlos Delfino. Meanwhile, the Bobcats are expected to use the No. 7 pick on fast-rising Texas PF Tristan Thompson.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    looks like you're right, but not for us

    see below

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    The Bobcats, Bucks and Kings have agreed to a three-team trade that sends Stephen Jackson to Milwaukee, sources tell Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski.

    Charlotte receives the No. 7 overall pick and Corey Maggette, while the Bucks get Jackson, Beno Udrih, Shaun Livingston and the No. 19 pick. The Kings get the No. 10 pick plus John Salmons from the Bucks. Jackson will immediately step in as the starting shooting guard in Milwaukee, while Salmons' exit should mean a starting gig for Carlos Delfino. Meanwhile, the Bobcats are expected to use the No. 7 pick on fast-rising Texas PF Tristan Thompson.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    So, does it mean Tyrus is back to backup duties after a season of Taj ..i mean.. Tristan

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Stephen Jackson gone to the Bucks for the Bulls fans that wanted him. That's a good move cause the Bulls did not need him. His game will be in decline in a year anyway do again... Good that the Bulls will miss out on him.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Must suck for Salmons going back to the Kings, at least for now. Could be another trade coming for him and the Kings.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    What about the Bulls trying to get Salmons back? Just throwing it out there, not even sure how I'd feel about it, but they could throw Sac their 3 expirings + Korver

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Nooo...Salmons and Hinrich are both big-time clankers. If we are going to get a previous Bull, I would go with Ben Gordon first. He is not scared of big moments and there are multiple problems with his game but he is a pro and will take big shots without a worry kind of like JR Smith.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    yeah you're right, I'm wrong. You're smart I'm stupid. You're good looking, I'm not so good looking. Ok, at least I'm willing to admit that!

    I just think we need a band aid first, then can address it long term. But the more I think about it, the more I like giving Brewer 30 mpg until then.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    It's funny I was thinking about a trade with Milwaukee where they'd get a package with Asik, and we'd get the No.10 pick, and take back Salmons(salary) as part of the deal. Not that I wanted him.

    If the Bulls keep/use their picks some have hinted at JuJuan Johnson and Davis Bertans(skinny, white(shock), athletic, can supposedly shoot. I certainly hope the Bulls get two of these guys in order: 1) Reggie Jackson, 2) JuJuan Johnson, 3) Tyler Honeycutt, 4) Nolan Smith, 5) Charles Jenkins. I unfortunately have to got work. Hopefully Doug will post a Draft Night story/room for everyone to chat while the draft is going on. Enjoy and Good luck Bulls.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Bertans and Jenkins! Come on baby!

  • In reply to Reese1:

    looks like they didn't have to send away the 19th either, but rather traded up from 19 to 7 by taking on Maggette's contract.

    Does Charlotte really like the kid from Texas, or will they try to move up, perhaps for Kanter?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    No to Salmons,he's too inconsistent. That's why he's traded every couple of years. I can see the Bucks taking Jimmer.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    My fault meant to say Kings taking Jimmer.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Charlotte would have the 7 & 9

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    not sure what the Kings are thinking. Maybe they are trading down to grab Jimmer?

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    STEPHEN JACKSON TRADED (not to the Bulls):

    Yahoo...

    The first big deal of draft day has been completed. The Milwaukee Bucks, Charlotte Bobcats, and Sacramento Kings have all agreed to a three way trade. The Bucks will get Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, and Beno Udrih, along with the 19th pick. Charlotte will get the 7th pick and Corey Maggette. The Bobcats will have the 7th and 9th picks. The Kings will receive the 10th pick and John Salmons. The Bobcats really want Tristan Thompson, but they were worried that he would not fall to 9. Now, it seems they can get their man.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I don't see how he passes Noah.

    1: He's not as athletic and will never be able to defend the pick and roll like Noah.

    2: He can't pass, put the ball on the floor, get out in transition, lead a break, and has terrible hands (all things Noah is among the best at the center position in the league at)

    3: He has no post game and is a horrible free throw shooter (things Noah's at acceptable at).

    4: He fouls at a rate that won't let him stay on the floor as a starter night in and night out (something I expect he'll improve at).

    Asik has potential, but he has a long way to go in a lot of areas.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Crumbs is talking about Asik's ability in the future when he develops some kind of offense other than dunks.
    Off-course, right now Noah is better than Asik. We will know if the Miami series was just an aberration or is it a pattern with Noah? His offense was non-existent and Thibs had to bench him in the end. We already have a 80 mil Boozer unable to play because of his defense and now if Noah has to sit...we are screwed.
    Without Boozer,Noah and Asik clicking well...there is no chance for the Bulls to beat Miami even if we get Mayo or Ellis

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    There is a reason Thibs prefered to play Asik in the 4th quarters of the playoffs instead of Noah. It's simple, Asik is a better defender.

    i think the only thing Noah does better is shooting free throws.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I think Thibs proved over the course of the season, & the playoffs as well, that he would ride the hot hand. I remember a 4th quarter where he had Rose sitting.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    ok just one 4th quarter for Rose but Noah and boozer was benched all the 4th quarters of the ECF.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    hmm, don't know about that

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Not all games but them getting benched in the final game with Asik not available told a lot about Thibs's trust in Noah and Boozer.
    I don't think Thibs had any agenda and was just pissed at the poor play of both Noah and Boozer in the final elimination game at home. The problem is they might seem like they got it right against the lesser teams and crap all over again against Miami. So, Thibs/GarPax better have different contingency plans this time around.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I agree that it sends the message they need to get better. No argument here on that.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    If the Bulls do make a deal tonight which I doubt, it will probably be for Mayo. He's still on his rookie contract and everyone should know that's the kind of deal the Bulls normally try to make.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Ideal scenario to me:

    28-Jenkins would be a major steal here. NBA ready too, could slide right into the rotation & give them shooting & creating.

    30-Stashable Foreign Guy X. If you can't trade this pick for a likely late 1st rounder next year, which is not likely, draft a Euro who can somewhat retain their value, giving us a low risk asset to move in a potential big deal. If the Bulls want to make a move for a starting 2 through the draft, next year could be the year to do it, with a lot of high quality 2s likely to enter. They probably can't get as high as I would like them to, as the Charlotte pick is about 2-3 years away from having great value. Still I think they are are a year away from making a big deal, and hitting on the 28 & 30 picks are a huge key. Infact, I would pretty much be taking the foreign player/trade for future route with every late 1st rounder we get during the Derrick Rose era. Keep snoballing these picks to make a big deal.

    43-E'twaun Moore if available, or highest level remaining stashable prospect.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I'd rather trade Taj, we can replace him tomorrow with one of our draft picks.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Trade Taj, Replace him Kindof...

    I think Taj is our trade bait for a higher position in the draft or for bundling with draft picks for a 2-5 year good shooting guard.

    I love Taj's game, his solidity, his contribution. But he's 6'9 and his outside shot isn't as good as people claim it to be.

    Taj is expendable, Asik is not. Asik was adaptive and demonstrated a learning curve during his 1st year. One example is how referees began to let him play a little without calling fouls constantly on his blocks.

    Yes, we could learn how to say "hands of stone" in Turkish. But I think the Bulls want to see how well Asik can progress in his 2nd year, that's definitely what I would do.

    Taj is expendable, Asik is not.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    +100. perfectly said. imo there are only 2 players i wouldn't trade in this roster : Rose and Taj Gibson.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Draft Express just updated to reflect Brooks going to the Bobcats at 19. Wonder if that close enough where we could get that pick for taking on Steven Jackson's contract and snag Brooks as a 2 Guard in training or trade our 1st rounders to get it.

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    and while I don't see him as a great fit, Burks is slotted at 20. Bulls have to find a way to jump 8 or 9 spots if those two are still on the board.

  • In reply to calle3:

    And what if Boozer get hurt ? Gibson can play C and PF. Asik can't !! Therefore think twice. I even think Thibs should start Gibson over Boozer next season.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I would not not want Tony Allen.

  • In reply to adocarbog:

    Sam Young. He impressed me during the playoffs.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Good to see you again MrHappy! Lol! Just kidding, he did play well in the playoffs.

  • In reply to adocarbog:

    Could Biyombo slide? Seems like he already had started too, now there are issues with his immediate signability. Could he slide into the 20s?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    even if he is from congo like me, what bulls need the least is someone who can only defend.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I think ideally the Bulls should trade the draft picks for a veteran whoever it is. If not, I hope they don't reach for a SG just because he is a SG. If Biyombo falls to 28 for whatever reason, they should take him immediately. Accumulate assets to allow to trade one of the bigs for a SG later. A big in the NBA(especially on potential) is more valuable in a trade....there are probably 15 team GMs salivating to get somebody like Asik or Noah.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    yeah if the purpose is to trade him after, then that's good. IMO Bulls should sign Carter and trade for J.R smith !

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    +1

  • In reply to deewaves:

    would make Taj expendable though

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    What do you mean ? Taj Gibson isn't bad on offense, he has a pretty good jumpshot and some low-post moves.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I mean I like Taj, I like his offense too, but if you could get Biyombo & trade Taj in a package for a 2, you may want to consider that. Or you could trade Biyombo when he is ready to come over.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Chad Ford of ESPN announced a 3 team trade. Bucks get Beno, Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston & 19. Bobcats get pick 7 & Maggette. Kings get 10 & John Salmons.

  • Word is out that the Knicks and Bulls might deal. Knicks want one of the Bulls late 1st rounders.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Don't the Knicks want to BUY a late first? If the Bulls sell their pick for 3 million I'm going to be pissed.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'll be pissed too! Bulls are the most profitable franchise in the NBA. The last thing they need is money, they need roster assets.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I wish they themselves could buy one.

  • Taj is not a two way player either, I have no idea why the idea that he is keeps coming up. A PF who scores 12 points/36 on 51% TS% for his career is in no way an offensive threat. His post game is laughable and his jumper mediocre at best.

    I'd rather have a one way player that's really, really good at defense and only dunks on offense like Asik than a guy who is a bit above average at defense and really marginal at offense like Taj.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    2nd year, be easy on the guy!

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    What I'd like GarPax to do today :

    1) Brewer + Bogans + 28th to CHA // SJackson + 19th to CHI
    2) 30th to NYK // Walker + cash to CHI
    3) Draft BPA at 19th (let's say Burks)

    Noah Asik
    Boozer Gibson
    Deng Korver Walker
    Jackson Burks
    Rose Watson

    Really like that team, pretty complete. I'd resign Bogans as defensive specialist if he's cut by the Bobcats. He's defense on Wade was pretty awesome.

    Then I'd try to upgrade our backup PG after the lockout.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Would probably consider doing trade #1, but only if I liked the guy available at #19 a lot. I like Brewer more than Jackson right now. I wouldn't do trade #2.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Doug, I like Brewer a lot, too. He does so many things that don't show up in the stats sheet. Jackson isn't really efficient and kind of a headcase. However he's big, can put the ball on the floor some and make big offensive plays, take some pressure off of Derrick.

    If there's someone the FO really likes at #30, then don't do the second trade. But Walker is pretty good for his contract and good shooter. Do you really think we can do better at that spot ?

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    I like the Bill Walker idea, dude can shoot the 3, and is athletic, probably better than the guy we'll take at #30. Plus he's cheap ($910k in 2011) if the "cash" in the deal is $1M that will pay for him.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Bill Walker's a free agent in a year. You really want to give up a 1st rounder for him?

    He's a decent filler player with some potential, but I wouldn't give up a 4 year cheap contract for a guy who could be gone in a year and is expected to play 15 minutes a night.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Good point, plus he is oft injured. The only contention I would make is if the Bulls had a situation where the #30 was injured or hot garbage and we ended up not taking the player option in year 3. Then it would end up being 2 years of the #30 pick or 1 year of Bill Walker, at that point I take Bill Walker in a contract year (you know he's gonna do well, they always do) and we own his Bird rights so we can sign and trade and get something back for him if he does want to leave (assuming sign and trade exists in the new CBA of course).

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    3pt'ers and defense is still the most important thing for whoever the bulls get at SG. If you replace 30+ minutes of Bogans and Brewer with Mayo, he's got to be able to play at the same level defensively and hit 3's or the bulls will be worse both defensively and offensively, because teams will pack the paint and force both Mayo and Rose to shoot jumpers. The bulls only needed another "offensive creator" for about 5 minutes in the conference finals.

    I think I'd try and expand the trade to try and include Gasol, who might be signable at a lower number. Maybe Gasol and Mayo for Asik, Gibson, Bogans and the Charlotte pick. Asik and Gibson could both play next to Randolph. Then make Noah the backup at both 4 and 5 or make Boozer the scorer off of the bench and use the two picks from this year to try and get the next Asik from overseas.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    It would probably be too hard to sign both Mayo and Gasol, so it might have to be Noah and Asik. The bulls have to keep one of Noah or Gibson to cover for Boozer.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    We need both. Noah has been injury prone. Even this year with the finger ligament injury, he was out for 2 months but his offense never came back to what he was doing in November. So, basically it was almost a lost season with Noah. Still, we have to give him a season with Boozer to help them mesh.
    Everyone wants front court help ...so we don't trade Asik or Noah for Mayo. Teams are ready to draft some young Euros with a top 10 pick. It is crazy how people here want to dump Noah or Asik so easily when Valucinius or Vasely(who haven't proven crap) are top 10 picks.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Agreed. As usual fans and GMs for a day are getting a little carried away trying to trade all of our Bigs. It wont happen and it shouldnt. A Taj or an Asik will be traded if there is a good trade but we arent trying to rebuild a 62 win team that struggled with key injuries.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    What about Richard Hamilton? How would he fit? Cleveland's looking to get a 3rd lottery pick. They can get Detroit's pick at #8 and take on Hamilton, maybe send Detroit a player back in the process. Then buy him out as they had planned to last year. Bulls sign him for the minimum at one year?

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Ideally, the Bulls get somebody like Hamilton or Carter or Mayo on the cheap and develop a young SG to keep Hamilton/Carter fresh for playoff time.
    But the only issue with Hamilton is he cannot create like Carter. Do you think excellent shot making without much shot creation/passing ability is more important than decent shot creation/passing ability with decent shot making ability.

    Hamilton is the 1st type.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I think either type of player would help, but we did see that we need someone to take the pressure off of Rose when it comes to shot creation.

    Though I understand it's easier said than done, I'll be a little disappointed if the Bulls don't acquire a veteran SG/scorer somehow either before during or shortly after the draft.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I feel if the Bulls had a secondary shot creator, it would have had a major impact in the Miami series. Rose's vision improves as there is no double/triple teams and Noah/Boozer/Deng don't try to do the shot creation and focus on what they do best.
    It was too painful to watch LeBron with help from his other teammates stop Rose and take the Bulls out of their game or even Indiana do that a little bit.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Iggy to the Lakers? I would still like to get Ellis on this team but I don't think we would give up what GS would ask for. Im still hoping for a Mayo trade.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    1) Good idea but I don't see why the charlotte would do this since Jackson is better than Brewer+bogans. Moreover, Charlotte wants a scorer (trust me brewer won't be the solution).

    2) What do walker add to our team? almost nothing.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I would disagree. Taj is, to some extent, a two way player. He can knock down open jump shots, he can occasionally put the ball on the floor or score in the post.

    He's not a good offensive player, but you can't just pretend he doesn't exist on offense.

    Asik, you can pretend he doesn't exist on offense. I'd also disagree with your view on how good these guys are defensively. I don't think there's a huge gap between Asik/Gibson.

    Asik can sometimes be more impactful, but he has just as many games where he collects three fouls in 5 minutes and can't give you anything.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I think Taj's offense is better than we have got from him until now. But that said, he is becoming the Kirk Hinrich version of PF on jumpshots. He misses a lot of his jumpshots.
    His defense is definitely good but not as good or game-changing as Asik's is. And his pick setting is not that great like Asik.
    As much as I love Taj, if we have to chose Asik or Taj...I would chose Asik.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Blah internet dropped out and ate long post. :(

    Lets not oversell Taj's jumper, he shoots 35% while only taking wide open shots which isn't very good. Don't have the stats in front of me but IIRC he's in the bottom quarter of NBA players when it comes to points per possession on catch and shoot chances (and even worse, something ridiculous like bottom 10 NBA players at post ups).

    Neither Taj nor Asik should be doing much more than dunking.

    Defensively Asik fouls but he's a rookie, history tells us that rookies foul and it usually fixes itself in the second year. Asik can anchor a defense though, Taj can play good defense so long as he's got other good defenders out there (he doesn't look so hot playing next to Boozer).

    I like Taj, I don't want to give the impression he's crap, he was a great pick at 26. But if a guy has to go he's it. He can't play next to Boozer, and if he can't play with the guy starting at his position that's going to limit his minutes since Boozer is basically untradeable. Short term limited minutes will reduce his trade value (so we should trade now), long term with the new CBA I don't think you can afford to keep him as injury cover for Boozer.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I disagree and you're completely ignoring that he had almost no time at all to work on his game last summer.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Shakes is out of his mind.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    are serious ? Taj is a great defender. He is more important for this team than Asik.

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  • I disagree with your initial statement. I think Noah was much better than Asik his rookie season.

    We'll see what happens with Asik, but I don't think he has a particularly high ceiling, and I'd be shocked if he's ever the player Noah is.

    He's not nearly as quick, and he's not as quick a jumper or as athletic in an explosive way. He does have better size though and should be more physical.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I'll be shocked if Noah ever becomes the player many people think he is.

    Given Kurt Thomas's age and Noah's injury history, I wouldn't trade Asik.

    Plus, I don't think Mayo is all that. I believe Bulls will try to let their non-guaranteed contract strategy work before they trade Asik for a non-impact SG.

    If Bulls traded Taj they may have a chance to replace him with one of their draft picks, but I don't think Bulls are keen on trading Taj either given Boozer's play.

  • In reply to Edward:

    +100. Noah is defender, only a defender. Don't get me wrong, everything he does on offense is worthless. People thought he would be KG or Howard that's why bulls gave him a huge contract. please get real, Noah will never scores above 15 ppg.

    Asik is actually better than Noah on defense. I'd pick Asik over Noah if i have to choose !

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Keep the team in tact. Draft 2 solid players....whether it be Justin Harper,Jeremy Tyler,Nikola Mirotic,Nolan Smith,Iman Shumpert,Singler.

    Then a SG in free agency. Were the Chicago Bulls and we have starting SG position open on a championship contending team. Someone will want to play in Chicago and its gonna be a vet. Band aid the situation for now, and continue to look for our future SG later. That Bobcats pick might be a lotto pick next year in a deep draft.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Hate to burst your bubble but the Charlotte pick is lotto protected next year, top-12 in 2013, top-10 in 2014, top-8 in 2015 and unprotected in 2016. My question is, if their franchise goes under do we get anything?

  • In reply to nolebron:

    Agree about the Charlotte pick. Kinda like having a nice gift card to Circuit City pre-bankruptcy. Best to use it (trade for a two way SG) first good chance the Bulls get.

    Of course, if no one is offering anything of value, not much they can do.

  • In reply to saigman:

    I liken it to an investment that will not mature for 2-3 years. Sure it has a little value now, but be patient and wait to move it at the right time, then you can really cash in.

  • In reply to nolebron:

    If you want to package the pick in a trade though, it increases in value every year. I think next year is a bit too early, but another 1-3 years, we can get something good for it.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I agree...The Bulls need to look at Charlotte's season next year and then decide whether it is good to deal it after that or wait. If the new CBA helps them and they get a bunch of good players, they might become respectable. I feel there are some old teams which are going to decline big time in the next few years(Boston, Lakers, San Antonio) to flood the lottery market in the NBA.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    +1

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I agree we are very close to going all the way and have the MVP of the league in Rose and are in a major market! I would hope players, even it be older players like Kurt Thomas with still some utility want to come to Chicago instead of the d-bags in Miami! :-)
    The Celtics and Spurs are old and the Lakers are getting their too with a high mileage Kobe and Gasol not getting it done in the playoffs! I would hope the Bulls are on the radar of a team a free agent would be willing to take a pay cut to play on in the hopes of contributing and winning a ring! :-)

    I hope the "This is Jordan's town" doesn't scare people as I think it did with Wade coming to play here for his hometown team! Being in Jordan's shadow!

  • In reply to smiley:

    I hope that happens too. I don't think the "Jordan's town" effect will scare any veteran FA's though because they'll come in as secondary players to Rose so they won't have to worry about that.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    you always talk about FA but beyond JR smith what others good FA are there ?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Though this Brewer for Mayo offer may have been made in February, I think the playoffs showed that Brewer can compete deep in the postseason while Kyle Korver cannot. I would keep Brewer.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Korver really dissapointed. If he played better Bulls probably win that series. I'd limit his role moving forward.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If Noah or Asik ever develop a consistent 15 footer, that pairing would be an all time great front court defensively. It'd be tough to sign Asik if he does develop that 15 footer. He'd be getting $10 mil/year offers instantly.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    When you see a player, you should be able to detect his strenghness, weakness an potential. where do you 15 footer potential in asik game ? If bulls had opened their eyes, they would have seen that luol deng will never be a star and they wouldn't have certainly refused to trade him for KG or Gasol.

    In the same way if bulls noticed that Noah wouldn't be Howard they wouldn't have him that huge contract and they would have trade if for Melo.

    OPEN YOUR EYES BULLS FANS. NOAH AND ASIK ARE DEFENDERS AND REBOUNDERS. NOTHING MORE. STOP OVERRATING PLAYERS PLEASE.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    First, they did offer Deng as part of the package for KG. Second, watch the games. Asik and Noah can both hit the 15 footer, but lack the confidence and opportunity and know that if they miss more than once, Thibs is going to yank them. Both guys will be taking 15 footers at the beginning of next year.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    ?? Noah was skinny and out shape during his rookie season. The first time Noah showed his potential was during the celtics-bulls series i.e 2 years later after he was drafted.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Noah was hopeless in his first season. Would anyone in their right mind offer you Mayo for Noah after his rookie year?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    http://www.basketusa.com/news/72493/draft-2011-toutes-les-rumeurs-de-transferts/

    it's a french basketball site. look all these draft rumors. Every team is active but the bulls. bulls are the champions of doing nothing !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I said once before that the Bulls are cautious and more than likely want do anything but use their picks and might trade one of those for nothing... Too conservative!!!

  • In reply to Reese1:

    +10. We don'T have young talent to devellop. Only Rose and Asik have a room for improvement. that'S it. It isn't enough to fold one's arms and hope bulls are going to beat the heat. They have to be active !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    C'mon,the trades from Mil,Cha and Sac are more of exchanging my crap with your crap. The Bulls need to get an elite ball handler and not some washed up guy. More action by the Bulls FO is only good for blogs/talk radio but not for the real team. It needs to be a good move and off-course the Bulls keep it under wraps anyhow.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    i'm not talking about that trade. All I said is the bulls are doing nothing. The draft will start in 20 min but they haven't made a trade with those draft picks. We could have got JR.smith, Mayo or BG for Asik+those draft pick+bogans. I mean now it's over we can't use anymore our draft picks in a trade.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    If only we traded for John Salmons, I mean we know what a great basketball player he is for the few games he gives a crap after he's traded. We'd start the season 20-0!

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    i'm not talking about that trade. All I said is the bulls are doing nothing. The draft will start in 20 min but they haven't made a trade with those draft picks. We could have got JR.smith, Mayo or BG for Asik+those draft pick+bogans. I mean now it's over we can't use anymore our draft picks in a trade.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    We don't know what we could have gotten because we don't hear the discussions.

    Besides if the picks are going to be traded it normally happens during the draft once teams know for sure the player they want will be on the board.

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