Bulls not interested in Ellis? Marshon dominated by Butler in workout? KC dropping info


Plenty of discussion of Nikola Mirotic and his buyout, but KC didn't seem to have the info set yet.   From what I've been able to dig up, he has a fixed buy out in 2015 of $1 million dollars, and Real Madrid will be willing to potentially sell him in 2014.   I think 2014/15 season is the soonest he's going to make it here.

KC also said he never go the sense they were trying to trade up or get involved in the Fernadnez or Jackson trades on draft day and weren't interested in those players.

He also noted, that presently, he doesn't think they're interested in Monta Ellis because the backcourt would be too small and have defensive problems.

However, he said he thinks they will trade for a SG, the front office is confident they'll be able to get their guy when the new CBA ends, and at the start of next season they'll have upgraded that SG position.

KC also noted that rumor has it that Jimmy Butler blew up Marshon Brooks in their workout, dominating him in their workout physically.  Marshon Brooks had a lousy workout with Chicago, and the Bulls never had him on their radar.  He looked soft and not ready to play at this level.

Plenty of love for Jimmy Butler, the phrase "best perimeter defender in college basketball" came out, though KC said a lot of those things are hyperbole at this time of year.

Matt Spiegel then decided to go to draftexpress.com and read the downsides to Marshon Brooks and the upsides of Jimmy Butler and act like those were the only information written about each player.   Nice job guy.

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Nice information by KC there.

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  • 1. I think it makes sense in a way about Ellis. He is like a draft pick...no guarantees. Yeah, he has played well in the regular season. But there is another level deep in the playoffs which is more mental toughness(see LeBron) and size match-ups. Also, the Bulls have seen this under-sized SG movie with Ben Gordon/Kirk Hinrich before and it doesn't work well.

    2. What is good about Butler is the fact that his Basketball IQ is supposed to be great. If he is replacing James Johnson's role for Thibs...maybe that will make Thibs have more confidence in him. Asik got more playing time even though his offense sucked but of his understanding on defense. That's what wins playing time with Thibs. If he can reduce Deng's minutes to 33-34 or pla

  • Great stuff. I trust GarPax more than any other GM in Chicago with the possible exception of Stan Bowman. They do their homework. They obviously had a chance to get a few guys at SG -- Steven Jackson, Rudy Fernandez, or Marshon Brooks and passed on all of them. They must have a specific player or two in mind that they like and think they can get

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I have to believe the Mayo/Lee scenarios are still alive and well. It is just a question of putting together a package that would make Memphis or Houston bite. I prefer OJ but Lee looks more obtainable considering the Yao situation. Don't be surprised if the rights to Mirotic come into play.

    I also read on RealGM that the Bulls are interested in a revitalized Michael Redd. I believe he is 32 and I am sure he can still shoot. The key I believe (for me) is whether his wheels are still good enough to put the ball on the deck to create his own shot. I wouldn't put all my chips on Redd though. Although if Grant Hill could come back I suppose Redd could also. But, at what level of play?

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    PS, the reference to Yao is that Asik would go to Houston.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Good choice by the Bulls in not trading for or drafting guards that won't help the team. Jackson, Fernandez, Ellis, or even the rookie Brooks, the Bulls don't need bone of those guys. They need a 2 guard that will grow with Rose. If they are to bring in a veteran, IMO Hamilton would be ok but not a starting 2 guard. The euro guy is still a reach to me cause I thought the Bulls were trying to win now. I hope they are hypeing him up as potential trade bait but I'm sure other fans have him as a superstar of the future. What euro star has come to the league and had a big impact like that, none that I can think of. Bulls seem to be making some good decisions and hopefully they will as well when the CBA is decided and they bring in the right 2 guard that will compliment the team.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Didnt mean to post that many comments, the site does have bugs in it sometimes

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Lee is the guy who keeps popping up in my head too. His defense and work ethic works with the Bulls style and he has enough offensive skill to be a threat without needing the ball a lot.

    I also think they're far more likely to get fair value for Lee than they are Mayo. Memphis seems to want a premium for him based apparently on his name value. Mayo is talented, and in many ways a very nice fit, but he's still overrated. I'm sure the Bulls would love to have him, but only if the price comes down a bit.

    Redd's an interesting name...but yeah, I think I'd want him as someone coming off as a scorer off the bench unless he can prove he can do more than just shoot.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Interesting thing with Mayo is that Indiana have George Hill now so the deal that fell through is probably off the table, that might help drive the price down if it's only the Bulls showing serious interest now.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    I really hope they don't go after Redd, too fragile and getting up in age.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    If they do, I hope it's just to have a scorer off the bench. I wouldn't want to depend on him as the starter or even big minutes.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Agreed, taking a chance on him to be a cheap spot up shooter type guy seems reasonable, I don't think anyone expects him to be a 20 PPG player again but he probably can still shoot, and the Bulls could use another shooter.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Good thing about what Charlotte did was they got young...so hopefully the Bulls get lucky with their draft pick because imo they wont be that great for a while. Kemba is good, Biyombo is a project. I would of taken Stephen Jackson. Hes a competitor.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Jackson is a competitor but is he a locker room guy? We all know the Bulls is a team that's about chemistry and with Jack's history and baggage, would he be the answer.... I think not.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Actually, by all accounts Jackson is a great presence in every locker room he's been in. Check your sources.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Bottom line even if he is a good locker room guy, him as a starter for the Bulls would be a waste of time. He has been accustomed to being the number 1 guy on the past couple of teams that he has been on. So what makes you think he wouldn't have the same attitude if he came to a young team like the Bulls. I don't need to check sources cause I have watched Jack over his career and like I said, he's used to being the number 1 option on his team over the last few years. So with all due respect, you should check your source and understand the type of player that Jackson is now in his career. He's a good player, I just feel like he's not the answer for what the Bulls are looking for. He would be a good role player but nothing else.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Its kind of like thinking about how Mcgrady was talking when he thought the Bulls were going to sign him. I'm not saying that Jack and Mcgrady are on the same level, It's just a player that's use to being "THE GUY" on a couple of bad teams having the same attitude coming to a good team. I don't think Jack not getting the shots that he wants would sit too well with him with the Bulls.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    after Thibs started Bogans all year, I don't see why anyone should trust what he has to say about Brooks. Thibs proved he knows very little about offense, he misused Korver,Brewer and Kurt Thomas all season.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    I agree that he misused Thomas but Korver and Brewer not so much cause neither guy was lighting it up from the field. Brewer plays good defense so he could've been used at times as a starter, and Korver is basically useless when he's not hitting his shot cause he's just as bad as Boozer on defense.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Jackson was fine on San Antonio and I think he would be like a body guard for Derrick Rose, similar to Charles Oakley to Jordan.

    Jackson has never been a locker room problem, his only problem was the fight in Detroit and he was just backing his guys up. I think misinformed people have always given him a bad rap. Popovich had no problems with him and Larry Brown coached him twice and only has good things to say about him.

    Huge mistake by the Bulls letting him go for garbage.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    I agree that the locker room issues aren't existent. He's maybe not a great guy in terms of fan acceptance, but I think he'd fit into a locker room fine.

    However, I think you vastly overrate his talent at this stage of his career.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Ya...but I also think too much is made of a "locker room guy"....I think more of the attitude problems stem from being on a bad team then anything. Zack Randolph for example...nobody wanted him on their team, but now, Memphis actually has a good team an everybody would take Zack Randolph. Me personally, if I was on a bad team, that kept losing or was making bad front office decisions, I would probably be pissed too, but that doesnt mean I have attitude problems, I just want to win. Thats partly the reason why I want to take on some other older but veteren players. Put Vince Carter or Stephen Jackson in the Eastern Conference finals against the Heat an I bet VC an Jackson go full tilt and try to get to that title series.

    I mean check out the Lakers....they grabbed Ron Artest (1 of the worst attitude/behavior problems of all time) an won 2 titles with him. Dennis Rodman was brought into Chicago....another behavior/attitude guy...Bulls won 3 titles with him.

    The Bulls have the team,coaches,culture to take on 1 player with a so called attitude problem. Winning usaully changes things imo.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Give some of these guys a change of scenery an it could do wonders for them imo. Like Vince Carter for example...the dude hasnt won anything in his career....put him in the conference finals an who knows, you might see a new Vince Carter that we havent seen in a while.Thats all im saying.Im not looking for Carter from 2002, I just need a Vince Carter that can score 12-14ppg an create his own shot,Draw fouls an make the 3. If he is willing to do that...imo that would be a real good signing. Just band-aide the SG position for a year or two.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Bulls are sticking to the strategy they put in place during 2010 free agency.
    After signing Boozer, ALL the free agent contracts have the last year non-guaranteed to use in trades after the new CBA with teams needing to shed salary.

    Bulls will stick to their non-guaranteed strategy and execute a trade for a SG after the new CBA.
    That

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Do you guys think the Bulls would ever just trade Boozer for salary cap relief? Maybe take a big expiring deal...say for 8-9mil plus a player for Boozer? That way we keep Asik an Taj an have a little left to spend for a SG. Or just keep 1 of Asik an Taj an spend more money on a SG?

  • In reply to Csharp:

    In my humble opinion, Boozer's contract is now one of the worst in the league. Similar to Arenas or Lewis (i.e. toxic waste). You have to believe that Pax and Gar are furious at his disappearance in the playoffs notwithstanding their stiff upper lip in public. They know that any negative vibes from the FO will only decrease Boozer's value going forward. I have looked at every roster in the League and have not been able to come up with a feasible deal for Boozer that makes sense for both teams. If anyone else out there can please share your thoughts on this.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    dannng...really

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Amnesty Clause!

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Just saw a workout video of Jimmy Butler, an he looks really talented. Nice jump shot, high release point, good athlete,big wing type player. I think hes gonna be a decent player.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    2 things stand out here from the interview:

    -KC has came away with the feeling that Bulls management are very confident that they can pounce on a deal to upgrade the SG spot once the new CBA is settled

    -Thibs had a large impact on the player they drafted that will immediately join the team, as he should IMO. And from his comments, he completely tore down Brooks' game, even at the offensive end where he makes his name. What really stuck out in my mind was 'tunnel vision'. That's not what I want in any basketball player; can't win with that. We all saw what happened with JJ, no sense in bringing in a guy who the coach isn't comfortable with, and Butler sounds like the polar opposite.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Marshon Brooks sounds a little like Nick Young from the way he's described. Not sure that's the kind of player you want to play with Rose. Brooks may be one of those guys who's a good scorer on a bad team.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    The good scorers on bad teams usually have mediocre FG%. Brooks shot 48% on volume, that can't be a complete fluke.

    Time will tell, but Brooks has every opportunity now to prove himself as he will get playing time in NJ alongside Deron Williams.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I think relying on your impressions of players from workouts is a two edged sword, remember it's bringing guys in for a workout that caused the Bulls to pick Tyrus over Aldridge.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    So pretty much trading Boozer for some scrubs an cap relief.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    If they take a chance on him at the minimum that's okay, but I wouldn't want to commit any money to them.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    I think that the Bulls made a huge mistake not getting involved in the Stephen Jackson trade.

    You guys are serious? Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo over Jackson?

    Jackson is the best SG other than Wade, Kobe, Ray Allen, Joe Johnson, and he might be better than the last 2.

    Charlotte traded away all of their talent and Jackson carried that team on his back. He has CHAMPIONSHIP experience. (won a ring in San Antonio). He can defend, is tough and he isn't scrrrrrred like the Bulls players other than DRose seemed to be when Miami turned up the Heat.

    Jackson was a guaranteed Championship for the Bulls and of course they didn't get him. I am pissed!!!!!!!

    They better get Rip Hamilton (who isn't as good as Jackson) or they are going to lose in the Eastern Finals again.

    A sad draft day for Chicago and me.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    Its sad that you seem to think Jackson is that good. What did he do for the Bobcats... That's why they let him go.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    Im really not crazy about Courtney Lee....I dont think he has what it takes to help get us to the next level imo. The Bulls are going to be faced with a dilema,who are we going to keep, Asik or Gibson. 1 of them has to go, I dont think we can keep both unless we get rid of Boozer somehow. So the Bulls might as well use 1 in a trade if they arnt in their future plans. It might be best for the Bulls to just band-aide the SG situation for now...an in a couple years, maybe next year, find your future SG possibly through draft or FA.The Bobcats pick could turn into our SG, the next couple drafts are pretty deep according to the experts. I think the Bulls take a chance this year at signing somebody that isnt their typically type of player. A older vet, someone that can possibly help them make the leap now and go for the title. If that guy doesnt work out....trade him...possibly in a package with Taj. Its gonna be interesting to see what happens.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    What did he do for the Bobcats? He was their entire team! He led Charlotte in Pts, 3pts made, Steals, 4th in rebounding, 3rd in assists. They got rid of him because they are rebuilding not cause he sucks.

    So Courtney Lee is better than Stephen Jackson? Really, you cannot say anything that will make me think that. Mayo has great potential and played well in the playoffs this year. But he is no guarantee. You know what Jackson will deliver: scoring, defense, toughness. And we let another team get him for Bismack Biyombo?

    HORRIBLE

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    Courtney Lee is a better shooter and defender. Jackson can create his own shot better. I think you could easily make a case that Lee's skills would help us more than Jackson's.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    I think your view of Stephen Jackson isn't very consistent with the rest of the world.

    He was a decent player, but he's never been an efficient scorer, has always been a bit of a chucker, and he's lost some of his athleticism as he's aged.

  • In reply to Hendu0520:

    Stephen Jackson's contract has 2 years at $9.2 and $10 million per.
    With the new CBA coming, Bulls ARE NOT adding another 8-figure contract as they already have four (Boozer, Deng, Noah, Rose extension).

    Bulls will add a SG in a fiscally conservative transaction.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Ya this is exactly what I thought the Bulls would do. Go after a veteren in free agency. Somebody who has done it already, not afraid of the spotlight and that knows how to play the game. We our the Chicago Bulls, #1 team in the league last year,great coach,great players,gave Miami a good fight an we need a starting SG. Someone will want to come here. Our SG answer wasnt in the draft, especailly late in this weak draft.

    Bulls will be going after the following imo....Micheal Redd,Vince Carter,Jamal Crawford,JR Smith,Marco Benelli,Wilson Chandler,Rip Hamilton, and OJ Mayo through trade. The Bulls are 1 step away from possibly winning a title, lets get a guy that already knows how to play at this level. The Bulls are gonna be alright.

    Plus...in 2-3 years, we add Mirotic to this team. 6'10 stretch PF that hits the 3. I really like how were looking.

  • All of the guards that have been mentioned as Bulls potential targets, Jackson, Fernandez, Ellis, and even a draft pick that I said the Bulls didn't need, no draft picks at all, it seems ike they have some smarts afterall. Bulls need some size in the backcourt, they don't need a young rookie, they don't need aging veterans like Jackson, which I think they will probably still go after Carter or Hamilton, which they shouldn't. The Bulls need a 2 guard that has a chance to grow with Rose for at least 3 to 4 years if not longer. Richardson, Mayo, a guard that has some experience and can get the job done, create their own shot and keep the chemistry within the team strong.

  • All of the guards that have been mentioned as Bulls potential targets, Jackson, Fernandez, Ellis, and even a draft pick that I said the Bulls didn't need, no draft picks at all, it seems ike they have some smarts afterall. Bulls need some size in the backcourt, they don't need a young rookie, they don't need aging veterans like Jackson, which I think they will probably still go after Carter or Hamilton, which they shouldn't. The Bulls need a 2 guard that has a chance to grow with Rose for at least 3 to 4 years if not longer. Richardson, Mayo, a guard that has some experience and can get the job done, create their own shot and keep the chemistry within the team strong.

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