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Bulls looking to be active on draft day

Take it with a grain of salt, but speaking to one of my Bulls sources, I've heard the team is unlikely to exit this Thursday's draft with whomever is drafted at 28 and 30.   They're investigating multiple trade scenarios (trading up, trading for Courtney Lee, or taking on salary for a higher quality player (no details there, but I would guess Iguodala, Gordon, Ellis, and Martin are the guys whom this at least sort of fits).

I'm not sure I make much of the rumors, through five or six years of having sources around the league that hear this scuttlebutt I've been told by a GM that the Bulls completed the Amare Stoudemire trade, that LeBron was definitely coming to Chicago, and a bunch of other things that never happened.

At this time of year, there's little reason to believe in rumors, because everyone is motivated to spread disinformation in order to attempt to get leverage. 

That said, this particular rumor makes a lot of sense to me.  I've never expected the Bulls to keep both picks as they really don't have the minutes to develop two guys.   If they did keep both picks, I would expect one of them to be a Euro prospect who's going to stay in Europe for a season or two.   However, I'm not sure if there are any Euro prospects available that are worth drafting around our selection.

Courtney Lee, if it goes down, would be a very nice incremental improvement for the team.  He wouldn't radically change what we have, but would give us another strong wing defender, except one who can shoot and put the ball on the floor at least a little bit.  

Is Lee enough to put us over the top?   Well Lee isn't good enough to swing three games in a playoff series IMO, however, if you work under the theory that the Bulls overall played poorly and that they were close, then Lee could provide the incremental improvement to help the team considerably if Rose/Noah/Boozer have a better series.

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  • that's not a homerun at all but at least it's something

  • What about trading up for Thompson, Burks or Brooks?

  • So doug, what do you think about the rumored Asik for #7? Do you do the deal? I think it solves our SG answers but we still need a Big to replace Asik. I would think we could draft one, maybe tyler orsign Joel P. Thoughts?

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Bulls have to trade talent or in Asik case, talent potential to get talent back or a higher draft pick. Bulls too close to being a championship team so they have to be aggressive. The team that the Bulls have now has already proven not to be championship worthy... MOVES HAVE TO BE MADE and some popular players with fans might have to go.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I don't think you trade Asik for a draft pick. You don't get draft picks to win titles. At this stage of the game, you need to get players who are proven, high caliber guys. Not projects. That said, I would still make this trade if available for sure, I just really doubt it's a legit possibility.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agreed but if they do trade him to move up in the draft the team that they trade him to make that team throw in a player as well. But I do agree with you that if the Bulls do trade Asik, it should be for a player that will make a difference.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I agree, especially in this draft, is there even an obvious guy that you take at 7 that fits the Bulls biggest need, I don't think so.

    Trading Asik for the 7th pick amounts to a total crapshoot, the pick could be a total bust, and Asik could become a legitimate starting center with someone else.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The only obvious target to trade up for would be Jimmer, assuming the Bulls think he could play SG, since he should in theory be NBA ready as a senior.

    And although it seemed a stretch a month ago sites have him as high as #7 now.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    How its not? This years team wasnt suppose to get to that point.. You guys forfet what was our prediction before the season started..

    2nd round 55 wins..

    Not 62 and east finals with actually losing to ourselves in that round..

    A true scoring sixth man and a ture startin 2 guard is all thats needed..

    We had a bunch of new guys.. A new system.. A new coach .. And a new way..

    Next yr we would be better.. Without any moves..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    +915

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Well said, I agree 100%. The Bulls would be better without any moves at all considering the new coach, new system, new players, youngsters developing, individual players getting better,team development and cohesion, etc. etc.
    kily our front office put us in a position to get MUCH better this offseason...Let's just be careful to make moves that are neccessary and consolidate our talent.

    {1.7%}
    But luc

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Sign and trade barbosa for brewer and go package a deal for afflalo..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Barbosa signed a contract with Brazil. Forget about it.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I am lost on you people who think Iggy is the answer for the 2 guard position they have many high school kids in Chicago that can shoot better than him. He would be a horrible 2 guard for the bulls. What the Bullies need is Jr.Smith, Ellis, Martin,or OJ getting one of them means giving up someone or paying someone big. Me I rather have Jr, age skill and how he will impact the Bulls offense is tremendous. Sure he has had some attitude issues but so did Dennis Rodman Jr can come in knowing he is a major factor and his attitude please Bulls management will use their influence to make Jr player on that issue alone

  • In reply to BullySixChicago:

    Ellis and Iguodala's career three point numbers are within a percentage point. How is Ellis the answer but Iguodala not?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I read that GS is putting out a trade for Dwight Howard for Ellis and others. So, unless they are creating a smokescreen to their fanbase that they tried for Howard and all they got was expirings and draft picks...I doubt Ellis is coming to Chicago.
    Doug...do you think shooting or another ball handler who can create and dish/shoot(15-20 ft) is more important?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    There's no way on this earth that DH is being traded for anything GS could put together. They could throw in Curry, Ellis, and anyone else on that team and Orlando would still say no.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    that's a lie & you know it

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I'd be shocked if Iguodala, Ellis, or any legit "name" player is scooped up by the Bulls because it would likely take Noah or both Asik and Taj. If Igyy(don't like the nickname but whatever) was/is a very good or better defensive player I'd be interested due in part to transition opps. But I haven't heard he's an excellent/consistently very good defender. Also Brooks but for attitude questions would be interesting. I want no part of Rip Hamilton or B.G. Stephen Jackson shot .411 last year with very low .300's on threes. There's no way I want a 33 yr old and up unless maybe it's Ray Allen.

  • In reply to BullySixChicago:

    If Tom Thibodeau is allowed to make the decisions on who plays period as he did last year then no rookies the Bulls draft will likely get any burn. And their value likely goes down as Doug stated. It's also hard to believe team's will want to make deals when they don't know how the reconstructed salary cap will effect their salary structure/personnel. So the Bulls are not dealing at a very opportune time.

    I suspect they will have to trade more then late 20's picks in a weak draft to get Lee or anyone else. And I just don't see them trading Asik or Taj for a solid vet or to move up unless they can get to say 7 or higher(again doubtful).

    Sidenote: Some kid reporter from Hoopsworld is reporting that Dwight Howard wants Boozer to join him for a bounceback year down in Orlando. The "reporter" Alex Kennedy states that Boozer and Howard are "best friends." Doubt there's any truth to this, and J-Rich is the only guy we'd probably want as Ryan Anderson fell off the map as a formerly intriguing stretch four. You'd think the Bulls will try to deal the picks unless there's someone they will bet on, and insist Thibs at least give him a real chance/playing time the first third of the season(similar to the early J.J. sightings before he was MIA).

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    You can't really tell that about Thibs. He gave a lot of chances to Asik who was a foreign rookie. It was maybe due to necessity of Noah's/Boozer's injuries. I think you are right in that if the draft pick is not good on defense and doesn't understand his defensive philosophy(like James Johnson), he probably won't step on the court. But, did he learn anything from the Miami series about offense also being a part of the game and how handicapped our offense and Rose/Deng with this set of players.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Richardson and Redick are probably the only two guys on the Orlando roster who have any appeal at all, and Richardson would have to be a S&T so can't be completed until the new CBA.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Richardson would be ok but Redick is garbage, he's another Hinrich if you ask me. And please no more unathletic Duke players.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The only thing he has in common with Hinrich is he's white. And since the Bulls already tried to sign him last off season I assume they have interest in him.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'll take Richarson and Redick instead of Boozer in a heartbeat, as long as they are on short term deals.

    Plus dumping Boozer means we cannot get rid of Asik or Taj, what a bonus.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Forgot that Redick also can't be obtained until the next CBA since we signed him to an offer sheet. Have to wait 1 year after the offer.

    Makes doing a trade with Orlando anytime soon unlikely.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    A GM said that players arnt liking playing along side of Marshon Brooks....I guess hes a ball hog.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    REally good discussion, but why do I feel it will be all for naught and the Bulls will do nothing on draft day.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    This one can't be done before the new CBA.

    I'm not into trading Boozer but their are rumors out there saying we are shopping him.

    I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger on this one, but I could be tempted :

    Boozington for Redick + Bass

    We've shown interest in Redick last summer and after a bad start he had a good season overall. He's a better defender than Korver and a more natural fit at SG. Spot up shooter or coming off of screens, can put the ball on the floor some.

    Bass is a good PF and Thibs likes to put Taj in there in the fourth.

    Finally, it makes a lot of sense salary wise and it would allow us to keep Taj and Omer long term.

    Boozer isn't really a good fit next to Howard but that wouldn't be our problem.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Any trade with Orlando I'm asking for Ryan Anderson back.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Salary dump Boozer on Orlando by any means necessary.

  • In reply to BullySixChicago:

    Rodman, may have been a jackass off the court, but he was a basketball genius and worked his ass off, which is why on the very night we traded for him I predicted 70 wins and a repeat 3 peat.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    there is only 1 team a year championship worthy, and change is not always the answer. Of course if you can get better you do it, but the other teams are not there just to make deals with us to improve. Even with the status quo, our young team & coach will be better, & better equiped to make it through the playoffs.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    I think you definitely do it. That way you snag a nice SG and can find a vet for backup center. Hell, you can keep Big Sexy and actually play him. I understand his age and size may be a factor, but there are only so many minutes to go around anyway.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    I would note that to my knowledge, not only has nothing this person ever said happened, but that also, no rumor he's spread has even been discussed from any other source.

    I find this trade scenario to be highly unlikely to be available as it makes very little sense for the Kings.

  • If we get rid of Asik...we deff. gonna need a backup center. Asik is going to get better an better. Jeremy Tyler is a guy I would take a chance on if we do keep our pick late in the first. Active bigman with a good offensive post game. I agree with grabbing a Euro as well if we cant get rid of the picks.

  • The Bulls draft picks at the number at they are would be worthless. The best thing for them to do is try to trade them. The Bull are trying to win a championship so they have to do whats best for the team and trading those picks would be best IMO. Courtney Lee would be an upgrade, but he wouldn't be a difference maker. Now if the Bulls can get Iggy as well with Lee that would be a big upgrade as far as the backcourt goes cause the Bulls would have better perimeter shooters and a player in Iggy that can create his own shot. Ellis I think would be a long shot now just because of the Mark Jackson as head coach hire. He's already trying to overvalue Ellis and they will be asking for a lot in return for a grade. I hope the Bulls are extremely active on draft day cause this us the weakest draft I can ever recall.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Obviously you try to upgrade however you can. Lee is a solid upgrade, so if you make it happen, then that's good.

    Iguodala would be an even better upgrade, but that might be out of the realm of possibility. I hope not, but you simply don't know if he'll be salary dumped. (Hopefully, if he is, we're involved, and not being cheap though).

    I don't necessarily agree the Bulls picks are worthless where they are. They got Omer in the 2nd round, they got Taj at #26. They got Chris Duhon in the 2nd round. The Bulls haven't had many late 1st / early 2nd picks, but they've made them count when they've had them in the Paxson era.

  • Courtney Lee is not even good enough to stay on one team. Three seasons. Three teams. That's not a good track record.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I agree, he wouldn't be a very good pick up. The Bulls should have someone else in mind if they are looking to bring in tho , a difference maker.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    TTrying to bring in Lee and Iggy would be a good upgrade imo.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    They certainly should try to get a difference maker first, but if they can't then they should improve the team how they can.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I really like Courtney Lee. I think he can be that differnce maker. The series was very close against Miami, the Bulls could have easily have won 2 of those games with a better shooter and had a 3-2 lead. Lee's defense is better than Bogans. He can shoot and he can handle the ball in an emergency. That's exactly what we need. This team's identity still has to be it's defense and if we can't get an Iguodala or a Monta Ellis (whom I think Thibs can make a good all-around defender with his athleticism), then I could be very comfortable with Courtney Lee.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I also like Lee a lot, he's a perfect fit next to Rose.

    Very solid three point shooter. Good defender with length and decent athleticism. Can put the ball on the floor a little bit (at least if a guy runs out at him, he can go around him). Can finish on the break better than Bogans.

    He's basically similar to Bogans in many regards, but he's a better shooter and better at putting the ball on the floor and has more length/athleticism.

    He's not an incredible player by any stretch, but I think he could play a Raja Bell like role.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    agree on athleticism, but my guess is that Lee is no more than 6'3"(in socks), so we are not adding length by adding Lee.

    However, he starts instantly, and makes us better than we are now, no doubt.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    He's listed at 6'5", same as Bogans so we don't lose anything, but Lee is much rangier, longer arms and that, combined with his superior athleticism, will make him play like he's taller than Bogans.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Courtney Lee might be 6'3 in socks, but so is virtually every player in the NBA who's listed as 6'5.

    All NBA heights are basically barefoot heights plus 1.5 inches, rounded up to the nearest inch.

    The vast, vast majority of guys who are listed at 6'5 in the NBA are 6'3-6'3.5 barefoot.

    I've interviewed Lee before, and he strikes me as having legit height relative to other guys listed at that height (ie, he's taller than Kirk or Gordon who are listed at 6'3).

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    agreed. And the best way to get true accurate data, on both numbers and more, is predarft camp measurements, to which Courtney Lee never attended. DraftExpress.com lists all the data for each player profile, but like I said, Lee didn't attend the camp so it only lists his height as 6'5"

  • In reply to BigWay:

    According to draft express, the average SG measures out at 6'3.5" without shoes. So being 6'3" in socks is not that concerning.

    I agree with Doug that Lee is kind of a better Keith Bogans, but I disagree with doing the deal. I'd rather Bogans and whatever the picks could bring in than Lee. Lee doesn't seem a big enough improvement now to forgo the potential future upside (no matter the low probability) of a draft pick.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I like Courtney Lee. But wasn't Houston insisting on Asik for Lee at the February trading deadline?

    I feel Marshon Brooks will prove himself to be the best SG in this draft. A 4-year senior, his game has depth and he can score in many ways. He will quickly make everyone forget about OJ Mayo and others, imo. He's 6'4.25" barefoot, 7'1" wingspan, good athleticism and can shoot and score.

    Would require a 'miracle' tradeup for Bulls to get him though.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Agree, I would work the hardest to make the Brooks thing happen. Does adding Charlotte's pick to a deal get us Brooks?

    I like the physical abilities that Brooks brings.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I love to get Courtney Lee. The Magic made it to the Finals with this guy starting and almost won a game for them, had that inbound layup not rolled out the rim. I believe he could help out tremendously whether starting or coming off the bench. I'm still hoping Charlotte sends Stephen Jackson to us. I wonder if the Hornets would deal Trevor Ariza too? He would be nice also.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    I actually like the Stephen Jackson idea. It is his attitude that would turn off Gar and John. I watched him pee on a car in Indianapolis and asked me to "watch his back," if he wins a championship for us I love him. But I see more headlines than parades with him coming to town.

  • In reply to ChiPride:

    Stephen Jackson has a pretty good rep with players I believe. His off court stuff hasn't been great, but most players don't give a crap about that, so while he's a "negative" character guy from a marketing perspective, I'm not sure he's a negative character guy when discussing team chemistry.

    Of course, I don't really have much solid info in that regard, just what I recall gleaning from various articles and comments.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I found this article a minute ago, and looks like he's keeping himself in shape, but if Jordan and the coaching staff view him as a leader it makes me wonder if they'll be reluctant to trade him. and didn't they sign some new GM or something too?

    http://www.examiner.com/sports-in-charlotte/no-excuses-for-a-new-look-jackson

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Jackson is a world class DBag, and my sense is that he is a selfish/self centered guy who upsets team chemistry and wears out his welcome in about 2 years and

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Do you have any remarks from players that back this up? It doesn't seem to be the opinion of his teammates. His GS teammates were really upset when he was traded.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I loved that team. That was such a high energy ball club and they were fun to watch too. Not to mention this dunk:

    http://youtu.be/8w_1ZEk4mds

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Had we had a true shooter next to rose people would be talking about us in the finals.. Lebron didnt stop rose.. Rose stopped himself.. Lebron sagged off and got help off the drive.. Rose started every game taking too many three pointers because of lebron sagging off..and add in the fact that the whole team struggled .. We end up looking bad.. We got tim doughanyd in game 4 i think and each and every game was close except 1.. I think we should be looking for ray allen if any big names is to be rumored.. Bobcats 1st taj and bogans and etc to equal a deal.. You guys are saying anybody at this point.. Kevin martin whos on star straved team and a 1st fo to otion for a bunch of fifths on our team? Really? Atleast ray allen van be moved for a really good not amazing deal.. Doc signed a 5 yr deal knowing he would be coaching a diff group at some point so who knows how long that group would be together for..

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I know he didn't mesh well with Steph Curry, sure there are some comments there

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    He was on the Warriors for 9 games while Curry was there.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    exactly

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    One of his former teammates - I believe it was Tim Duncan - called Jackson his favorite teammate.
    This guy is not a DBag by any means. i have never heard a former teammate say anything bad about him.

  • In reply to bulls6:

    You guys are either blind deaf and dumb or have no memory past the last sportcenter highlight. Go back and watch the tape.

    character is destiny and never changes in adulthood. you either have it or you do not. I don't care what a bunch or no character spoiled athletes say, when it comes to character, Jackson is in league with Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    My wish list of the rumored or kinda realistic targets (trade or draft) :

    1. Iguodala
    2. Mayo
    3. Jackson (+ 19th pick for taking on his salary)
    4. Hamilton / Gordon (+ 8th pick for taking on his salary)
    5. Brooks
    6. Lee
    7. Burks / Thompson
    8. Ellis (really don't like the player, the fit and the price (Deng))

    Their are so many scenarios, it's crazy. I almost got a headache today thinking about them all. Can't wait for the draft. Something must happen that day and it'll be great to analyze it during four long months (well not really).

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    I'll take the #3 combo, with a side of Marshon Brooks there @ 19 (if he lasted)

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    No way Brooks is available at 19. His stock is rising by the day... Hell, Charlotte may take Brooks themselves at 9.

  • In reply to Edward:

    how about trading up from 19? Is Brooks really killing it in workouts? Against other players like Burks?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/marshon-brooks-v-burks-bucks-workout

    http://www.brewhoop.com/2011/6/19/2231253/marshon-brooks-will-work-out-for-second-time-with-bucks-but-is-alec

    Here are the links to the Brooks vs. Burks debate. Yes, it seems Brooks is impressing in workouts. Also, impressed Larry Bird in his workout for Pacers.

    Brooks would be PERFECT for Bulls imo, I just don't know how they can get him unless they trade Asik or Gibson. Don't know if trading the Charlotte pick would be enough, but I would explore all options cause I think this kind of talent is a much better option than some of the lackluster SGs being discussed in trades.

  • In reply to Edward:

    http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=747

    Another Brooks vs. Burks link.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I also like that Stephen Jackson and #19 from Charlotte for Bulls non-guaranteed/expiring players and #28 or 30.

    That deal is good on its own as Jackson has just 2 year left on contract, and like you said Bulls could tradeup further from #19.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    what about we give boozer,noah,watson for koby bryant he always wanted to be a Bull.
    starting lineup:
    rose
    koby
    deng
    taj
    asik
    looks good to me!

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    I'm not getting excited hearing about D. Howard. We DON'T need another All-Star we need to learn how to play small ball while keeping our endurance! It took Michael a long time to figure that out!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Every team that he has been on has been fucked up/and or broken up in about 2 years. and if you need any evidence about this guys character, go back and watch the tape of the Malice at the Palace, he was a wild eyed homicidal maniac on pcp.

    If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a video is indisputable evidence no matter what anyone says.

    The guys should have been banned from the human race after his behaviour on that day. If you want him on your team, then I question your residency in the human race also.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Hello Mr. Bill O'reilly, its good to meet you on a chicago bulls blog lol.

  • In reply to ChiPride:

    Bulls have the MLE right? Go after JR Smith,Jason Richardson,Wilson Chandler (start Brewer at 2,Chandler can backup Deng),Jamal Crawford,Micheal Redd,Nick Young, Marco Bernelli etc...an see if 1 of those guys takes it. Bulls have the starting SG position open on their team....a title contending team....I believe someone will want to play here. Plus we can just keep our team in tact.

    Rose,Watson
    MLE FA (JR Smith,Redd etc..), Brewer,Bogans
    Deng,Korver (OR 28th Pick- Justin Harper 6'9 NBA Game,3 ball)
    Boozer,Taj (28th Pick-Draft Jeremy Tyler or Nikola Vucevic USC)
    Noah,Asik

    30th Pick- Draft Euro player (Nikola Mirotic, Davis Bertans), stash 1 of them overseas for a couple years,maybe they will turn out to be something. Both are 6'10 players that can shoot the 3 ball)

    IMO, Id say just grab a guy via Free agency an then try to either trade our picks for a upgrade at the 2 or possibly trade our picks for a pick in the 2012 draft. Theres a couple solid players down at the bottom of the 1st round...Shelvin Mack,Jeremy Tyler,Justin Harper,Nolan Smith,Nikola Vucevic,Josh Selby that could be role players for us. The Bulls were very close this year...a incoming FA might put us over the top imo. Keep your assets just in case we need them.....MAYBE even for Dwight Howard.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    The MLE as we know it disappears on July 1st, and we cannot use the existing one before then.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    We won't know until a new CBA is signed what type of moves the Bulls can make in terms of adding a FA.

    It's quite possible they won't be able to add anyone over the vet minimum if the MLE goes away.

  • In reply to ChiPride:

    I also wouldnt totally call drafting 2 guys a bad idea....we could always draft 2 of the best available...say for example, Shelvin Mack and Jeremy Tyler. Then all we have to do is keep them as trade assets like what Oklahoma or Portland has done in the past. Or if we do trade Taj,Booz or Asik...we have a backup waiting in the wings.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    It's a bad idea to draft guys you can't play as trade assets.

    1: A pick's value goes down the second it's used, because now it is a player rather than a choice of many players.

    2: A player's value goes down if he doesn't play/perform, and the Bulls won't likely have minutes for two guys to do that.

    3: A player's value goes down as the cheap years on his rookie deal are used up.

    In general, if you aren't planning on making a guy part of your rotation, it's better to trade him on draft day than to not play him and hope to trade him later.

    You'll get more on draft day than you will later.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Nick Young.

    * His agents are Bartlestein and Mintz, who have a really good relations w/ the Bulls.

    ** Same agents that Taj Gibson has, who is friends with Nick Young and played w/ him at USC.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The Tyrus Thomas of shooting guards.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    The Tyrus Thomas of SGs is probably better than the Keith Bogans of SGs.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    yeah, if you completely ignore teamwork, chemistry, coachability, team morale, etc.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    thank you.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    He is still an idiot, and Bogans played primarily because he was not an idiot.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Don't get the comparison. If anything Tyrus' problem is not realising how good he is, Young's problem is thinking he's a lot better than he is.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    An idiot is an idiot, a moron is moron no matter the manifestations.

    I was crucified for saying that both Tyrus and Eddie Curry would never make it as NBA players because they are simply too stupid as human beings to be successful at anything. In the end I was proven correct, as is often the case.

    I may be hyperbolic in my phraseology, but it doesn't mean that I am not correct.

    I want no part of guys like Jackson, Smith and probably Nick YOung, though I know less about his idiotness than I do the others.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I don't know if Nick Young is an idiot or not, all I know is that he's possibly the biggest black hole ever to play the guard position in the NBA (and that's not hyperbole, you have to go back to the BAA to find a guard with fewer APG than Young on 13+ shot attempts a game).

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'd be up for signing Nick Young and seeing if he can adapt to play a team game.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    IMO, He is somebody who will probably score 35 points against Toronto or Timberwolves looking great but get shutdown to single digits by the Heat or Celtics.
    He cannot be a big time minutes guy in playoff games on the Bulls definitely.. He has to first learn playing on a winning team for a few years. We have seen these movies before.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    2 years ago, this guy was crap on a stick who was on his way to being out of the league. Last season he improved tremendously and became a quality shooter and a volume scorer.

    I'm not saying Nick Young is a stud, but I fail to see how JR Smith is any better, and people are willing to add him.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Yeah he played well in a contract year ... never seen that happen before. Odds are he regresses once he's paid.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I simply do not want any idiots on our team, we won with Chemistry which was obvious from day one, it does not take much to ruin/destroy chemistry, usually one self centered idiot.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Oj mayo >> courtney lee ..

    Mayo was forced to the bench because mempjis wanted to be cheap and bring his value down to pay less or wind up trading him and start the henry era..

    Mayo is a legit 17-20 point scorer .. Lee isnt as talented.. Isnt as young and with the new salary and already having mayo without having to sign him outright.. His price tag will be reduced from the new cba.. So he wont be able to ask for wild contract..

    Ut if were dealing both picks.. I say korver the 28th and the 30th or the even the bobcats pick for arron afflalo..
    If you guys followed him and read articles about him you guys would want him on this team..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Memphis newspaper talk of OJ Mayo for picks plus Korver I say done deal.

    Memphis has glutt of two's, Gasol salary to worry about, need outside shooting specialist

  • In reply to Aslan:

    I'd be on that like white on rice too.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Although, that rice is unhealthy and in long term not beneficial;-) so, maybe Mayo is not the answer unless he is brown on rice.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    so would I, but I have issues with the direction of Mayo's body this early in his career.

  • In reply to Aslan:

    If it's just picks and Korver then sure. If they start asking for Asik again no thanks.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Leave a comment...Throw out all the ideas..

    Next years starting 5 should be

    Rose
    Gordon
    Deng
    West
    Noah

    West actually plays defense and isnt far off as talent goes from booz.. Except reboundin in whivh were already one of the best without boozer.. Scoring is the same.. Jumpshot is the same..pick and roll/pop is the same with boozer only having the physical strength over west by a slim margin..

    I say trade omer korver pick an cash for bg who played on the top defensive team before.. And let hkm know his role his to shoot and make big shots.. Not the ben gordon before he left and held the ball for the whole shot clock.. The ben gordon we love and were mad about the office not signing him..

    David west and ben gordon.. Thats it.. Thats all i want.. Both are actually deals possibly bein made without breakin up our core.. I never saw boozer as a true piece other than a guy who needed to contribute.. As you can tell we won without him.. David west is just as good and already played in a defensive system and with the best pg in the game until imo rose this year..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    How are you getting Davis West?

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    dont want west coming off major injury. dont get the hate for boozer. played bad in playoffs. would still rather have him over a recent injured west.

    and west is not as good as boozer anyway

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    You are giving up Asik for Gordon...What..Detroit will do that in a second by dumping his salary along with getting their front-court set for a while with Munroe, Asik and others.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    not worth commenting on.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Memphis didn't like Henry at all last season. He supposedly didn't work hard and had all kinds of problems, so I doubt they're looking to start the Henry era.

    As for Mayo, I'd still grab him for sure if available, and there are plenty of reasons to think he might be available.

    We can't trade for Afflalo, he's a free agent, so that can only be a S&T which means after the new CBA and can't be done on draft day.

    I would really like Afflalo, but he's a restricted free agent, and his agent already said they expect him to stay in Denver.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    can we get Henry at a discount?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agree, AFflalo seems like a Bulls kind of guy(i.e. has character), but he does not appear to be gettable, which sucks for us.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I would too

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Iguodola is the Bulls best answer @ the 2 spot if we can get him for a fair price. Giving up too much pretty much voids out other areas. I would be willing to spend ALL draft picks for a high caliber proven player.

  • In reply to ChiPride:

    I agree if we can get Iggy at a decent price that's the best case scenario.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    while he is a massive upgrade, in both talent and salary, I am still not sure that Iggy is a true 2

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Derrick Rose isn't a "true" PG in the most traditional sense either. Nor is Joakim a "true" center.

    He can defend the two guard spot, and I think he has an offensive skillset that will make it more difficult for teams to match up against us than they presently can.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agree...IMO, Igoudala is the perfect fit for the Bulls in terms of who is probably available.
    Rose not only made a lot of mistakes while handling the ball...he started to force things and the Bulls didn't react well either.
    Rose needs to have a mental break on offense sometimes and whoever helps with that is the best fit at SG spot with shooting the ball being the second most important thing.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Are u guys on drugs??

    You guys are just feening for a guy with some fame..

    Iggy is a horrible fit.. And thibs wont make that trade anyway.. He cant shoot at all .. And would be the worst rumored fit next to rose and deng.. And honestly i would rather have deng than iggy so yoi can forget about him..

    As far as name players go .. Jackson would be better .. Wayyyy better.. But thats far from what we need.. Just our guys playing better and solving our two guard with a fit rather than talent is what we need ..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Stephen Jack is also getting up there in age and will probably have 2 more good years left and with the CBA negotiations one of those years might be taken away, he's a good player tho but the Bulls need a younger 2 guard.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I think Stephen Jackson is a good fit for the Bulls if they can get somebody else who is younger to play the backup SG who can learn and compete with him. Actually, Jackson is also a good fit because he has been through tough situations and will not back-down against the Heat or get panicky in tough situations.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Not just mentally but i think i just find him to be a better option next to rose than iggy.. Iggy and ellis are just being rumored by media people who have no idea about basketball other than knowing the names..

    Ray allen
    Steven jackson
    Joe johnson

    As far as i can think of right now are the big name guys that can be possible depending on the deal ..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    yes I am

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    With the way the CBA talks are going it may not even be a 2012 season. And I agree with the owners that there shouldn't be garunteed contracts cause it just might force a lot of these players today to work on their games. Players today need to learn how to shoot beyond 15ft. That's why the Bulls are in the situation their in with no good 2 guard.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    its different. Derrick Rose is most effective playing point. JoNo is most effective playing Center. Iggy likely loses some effectiveness playing SG rather than SF, and that mainly has to do with who is guarding him, and who he is guarding, not his resposibilities as a shooter or such.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Clearly the position that you end up playing has a serious impact on how well you play, and how you are veiwed as a player. You need to put a guy in his best position to get the best out of him.

    I don't believe in playing guys out of position on a regular basis.

    So is Iggy a 2 or a 3, I say 3.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Iggy as a salary dump would certainly be my first choice.

    I hope that you are right, because at his price we can't afford another mistake, ala Boozer. I have always liked Iggy as an alternative to Deng not necessarily as an addition to.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Can you have an entire team of guys who are not "true" for their position.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I agree, maybe the bulls should get a pg and move rose to the 2 spot? Dallas won the championship with jason kidd at the 2 spot and jj barea as the point guard lol.

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