Bulls land Mirotic and Butler

So the Bulls surprised by making a trade up, but not taking the player we all wanted.   In the end they landed Nikola Mirotic and Jimmy Butler.

Bulls trade up with 28 + 43 to 23 to take Nikola Mirotic

Much like two years ago when the Bulls had the chance to draft Dejuan
Blaire, but passed on him to take Taj Gibson completely pissing off all
Bulls fan, the Bulls again passed on the fan favorite, Marshon Brooks, in order to take
Nikola Mirotic.

Jonathan Givony tweeted after the pick that Mirotic was the 7th best
player in the draft, but he wouldn't likely come over until 2014. 
That's a long time to wait, but we had to wait a long time for Omer
Asik, and he was worth the wait.

Let's hope Mirotic is as well.  I'll try to provide a full scouting report after looking at film.

Bulls take Jimmy Butler at #30

Butler's the feel good story of the draft.   He can defend, he's
somewhat of a stretch four.  He has good work ethic, high basketball IQ,
does all the little things right.   He's not going to wow with his size
or athleticism, but he's the type of player who should fill in a nice
niche for the team.

If Butler pans out, the Bulls might have flexibility to move Taj Gibson.

The Bulls will need to address their SG needs in FA/Trades

On the surface, passing on Marshon Brooks seems like a crazy proposition, however, it makes perfect sense.

The Bulls likely felt that Marshon Brooks couldn't fill the Bulls shooting guard need, and that the team would be better served by trying to grab a veteran in free agency or trade for a higher caliber player to compete.

I agree with this approach, but it will be up to Chicago to make the second half of that come true.   Will they pull off the trade?   Will they still have an MLE to work with?   The Bulls did nothing on draft night to plug their biggest hole which probably won't lend a lot of confidence to fans in the short run.

I've learned not to judge the Bulls draft picks.   They do better than I would.  If they didn't like Brooks, I'm on board with Mirotic.   Let's just hope that we see a signing or trade once the new CBA is passed.

On the bright side, if a trade did go down this draft, what would I talk about all summer long during the lockout?   Now I get to spend all summer coming up with trade proposals ;)

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  • Bulls get Mirotic at 23. Dallas traded 26 for Rudy Fernandez. Why the hell didn't the Bulls trade 23 for Rudy? Absolutely mind-boggling.

  • In reply to ogyu:

    Rudy is not (was not) the answer. Portland traded Rudy now cause Wesley Matthews has proven to be a starter and made Rudy expendable.
    Bulls missed on Wesley Matthews (Marquette) in free agency, taking 3 other Utah Jazz players ahead of him.

    Bulls will add a veteran SG through MLE or trade.

  • In reply to ogyu:

    Rudy's only under contract for one year and has reportedly wanted to go back to Europe.

    Though I agree, that would have been a nice trade.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    So instead we got the next Fran Vazquez. I'll enjoy imagining what he might have done for the Bulls, if he had ever actually come to the NBA.

  • Bulls need scoring, so I guess they will get it from a Heartless Vince Carter or an aging Richard Hamilton. They better have some kind of big trade in mind or next season if there is one will end up like this season that just passed.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And at this rate the Pacers will win the central with the addition of George Hill from the Spurs. Pacers already played the Bulls tough, they will be even tougher with their new addition. The central wont be a given for the Bulls now.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    You rate George Hill pretty highly if you think he makes up the 25 win gap between the teams.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    And if you think the Bulls win 62 games again next season you will be sadly mistaken. Bulls wont be sneaking up on no one next year.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Well no, I don't actually expect them to given that no team has had back to back 62 win seasons since Utah and Chicago in 98. I don't expect Thibs will drive the team as hard to end the regular season now they've a more proven team, and like most top teams they'll drop a few unlike this year.

    They're still going to win 55+, and the Pacers will be happy if they even get above .500. The only thing in the NBA more certain than the Bulls winning their division next year is Howard wins defensive player of the year.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Umm, GSWs just picked up a 2g and a combo. So does anyone think he'll end up as the Bull's 2?

  • In reply to Reese1:

    In his mock draft, Sam Smith had Nikola Mirotic as Bulls 1st round pick.
    Sam also had Jimmy Butler as one of several possibilities for Bulls in the 2nd round.
    THAT'S GOOD!!!
    http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_110623.html

  • In reply to Edward:

    You know what they say about stopped clocks.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    HaHaHaHa!
    So what does that say about the rest of us whose clocks were not right twice today? Our clocks were...???

  • In reply to Edward:

    The Bulls draft tells me a few things.

    1. They are satisfied with Watson as a back-up PG.

    2. Brewer is expendable. Every description of Butler sounds like Brewer. He's a good defender, plays the baseline, and is a high character guy. Look for him to be offered in trades.

    3. Jerry knows what the owners are going to push for. Of all of the NBA owners, I figure Reinsdorf to be among the most connected as far as the owner's strategy. The Bulls moves will be a good indicator of the future CBA.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Butler is a tweener-forward, Brewer is a wing. I don't know why you think the Butler pick makes Brewer expendable.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Because Brewer couldn't beat out Bogans in the starting line-up, he's older, makes 5x as much money, and he was given a contract that isn't even guaranteed in the final year.

    It's not that I think he's expendable. The Bulls front office and their actions say Brewer is not held in high value. The writing is on the wall. Like it or not, Brewer will be the odd man out.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    None of which has anything to do with Butler, who doesn't even play the same position as Brewer.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Are you serious. They are the same size. The same weight. They have the same holes in their game. They both are seen as perimeter defenders first. Neither should be our starting shooting guard, but both project as defensive players off the bench.

    If you try to tell me that Brewer is a SG. I will tear your argument apart. It's not about what we think a player can do. It's about how he is being used. Brewer was never asked to shoot or handle the ball. Give me one skilled difference between Brewer and Butler.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Brewer is only a bit over an inch shorter, but the similarities in their measurements end there end there.

    Brewer has a 35 inch no step vert, which is elite (better even than Rose), Butler has a 31 inch one, which is only a bit above average.

    Brewer scored a 3.14s sprint time, which again is elite. Butler scored 3.31s, which is average for a PF.

    Brewer is an elite athlete, which is why he can guard SGs despite the fact he's larger than most of the guys he guards. I see nothing in Butler's measurables that suggest he'll be able to guard SGs at the NBA level.

    And as Doug says, you are what you can guard.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Are you really using combine stats from before Brewer was even in the league? Stats from 2006? Even with the stats bring recent, they are still flawed. Durant raised flags because he could only bench 2 reps. Who cares? Brewer and Butler are perimeter defenders. Butler guarded Marshon Brooks this year and held him to 17 points. So by Doug's definition that makes him a guard. Defense is more than verticals and sprint times.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Well how else are you going to quantify it, given they don't redo the tests every year in the NBA? If you want to get subjective to the eye test Ronnie Brewer is an elite athlete. I have only seen youtube clips of Butler, so can't personally say, but from the descriptions others have written, he is not.

    And who you could guard in college doesn't mean much, the top guys in the NBA are bigger, stronger, faster. There was talk of Deng maybe being able to play SG for his first few years and that never worked out either (who btw measures out a LOT closer to Butler than Brewer does).

  • In reply to kbar17:

    I love the Mirotic pick. and they traded th 43rd pick to get him and my guy Charles Jenkins was there, went 1 pick later. Butler's going to have to grow on me. I don't see him as a stretch 4 however, seems like a wing. Forman said he even guarded PGs.

    I think a lot of people are missing one key point however. This Mirotic pick gives them an asset that will hold a tremendous amount of its value, likely increasing actually, and they will be able to trade it whenever, or in the future. Another chip they can play with to swing a deal.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    the fact of the matter is reinsdorf isnt putting his money where his mouth is when he acknowledge we were a SG away and when he promised to spend money on a championship team

    1. there is no way in hell the new CBA will have a instant hard cap that screw teams with big star over and forces them to get rid of their best players

    2. bulls didnt want to speand money on garaunteed picks and the fact that mirotic wont count against the cap for 3-4 years as opposed to a stateside player probably was a big factor in trading up for him over hamilton or brooks.

    3. the bulls probably could have gotten this deal done with the 30th pick instead of the 28th, but the 28th pick is slightly more expensive

    Everyone knows we need more offense and instead of going with an offensive rookie (honeycutt, harper) they drafted another defender...how much is our top rated defense gonna improve with butler compared to how much or offense could potentialy improve with an better offensive playing rookie?

  • In reply to vibrantleo:

    I really wanted honeycutt

  • In reply to vibrantleo:

    Good job as usual, Doug, but I have two problems with your characterization of Butler. First, he's a SG/SF swingman, not a PF. He guarded some PFs in college, but that's not how he's seen as a pro prospect. Second, you kind of indicated that he's not much of an athlete. To me a 39" vertical is pretty athletic...Tyrus was 39.5".

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Why wait three years for Mirotic when you could have traded up for a very capable scorer in JuJuan Johnson? Well, I like Jimmy Butler.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Yes, Bulls are making smart financially sound moves. As the 30th pick Jimmy Butler is locked up for 4 years at $900,000 per. That's practically immigrant labor in the NBA.

    But Gar just said on Radio ESPN 1000 that Butler is more of a SF than a SG. I like Brewer and he showed he can compete deep in the playoffs. If Bulls are considering trading Brewer it won't be during Butler's rookie year.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Brewer is more of SF than a SG too. Both he and Butler are 6'7" 220 lbs. Neither is a great ball handler or shooter. One will get paid $900,000 and the other $4.5 million. Brewer's salary is the most valuable thing about him right now because it can be used to complete a trade.

    I like Brewer. I felt he should have started. I felt he wasn't used enough, but I'm stunned that more people don't see this as a sign that the Bulls are not as high on Brewer as we are.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Lighty went undrafted, hopefully we give him a camp invite.

    The Lakers drafted a guy named "Chu Chu", for Stacey King comedy value alone I wish the Bulls bought a second rounder to get the guy.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I agree, Lighty could be a nice addition whenever training camp happens.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Watson is terrible

  • In reply to calle3:

    I hate Watson too, but the Bulls had a lot of chances to get a PG or combo guard. They passed on all of them. This was the draft of the combo guard. It doesn't look like replacing Watson is a priority. He only will play 10 -12 minutes a game anyway.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    The Bulls never get anyone I want...so we're not getting JR Smith, Mayo, or Ellis cus i want them lol

  • In reply to calle3:

    You're probably right.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    I agree with Shakes, I think Butler's a stretch four for us much more so than a perimeter defensive stopper.

    I know after watching us play Miami that Brewer doesn't feel expendable to me at all.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    You may want to clue GarPax in on your assessment. Look at Foreman's description:

    We're excited about what we accomplished, and with Jimmy Butler who we took with the 30th pick," Forman told "Chicago's Gamenight." "We think is a guy that's a real fit for us. Is a fit on the floor with the versatility he brings defensively and some of the things he can do offensively and is a real fit with our team off the floor. The type of makeup and character he has I think he'll fit in our locker room and with the culture we're creating. "

  • In reply to kbar17:

    If you believe GMs after the draft there has never been a bad draft pick. Everyone is all singing, all dancing, plays every position and does a bit of everything.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I dont see Gar mention Brewer's name when saying Butler is a good fit. I dont beleive the Butler pick has anything at all to do with Brewer.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    At least one good thing to come out of the draft for the Mayo fans, Griz pick Selby, at least might make him slightly more likely to be moved.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Hahhaa Reese.. dog. The Central wont be a given? George Hill? Nah

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Just like I said the Pacers would not be a easy out for the Bulls in the first rd. of the playoffs, Hill will be a very good addition for the Pacers and they will be right there with the Bulls for the central. Only time will tell.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The Pacers lost in five, and were almost swept.

    Time will tell, but I bet it tells us that the pacers aren't very good.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Seeing how the Bulls lost in five to Miami, the Bulls were lucky against the Pacers. They have better athletes than the Bulls.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Called for Mirotic this whole time....dude can play, only dropped cuz of his contract but he is playing at a high level in Europe an playing well. Bulls traded up so the Mavs an Spurs wouldnt draft him and we all know the Mavs an Spurs know about their Euro Players. Jimmy Butler should be a solid rotation player from everything ive heard. Does everything good nothing great. Bulls are a title contending team...believe me, someone will want to start as the SG of the Chicago Bulls. Bulls Draft A- imo

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Yeah, I think its quite likely Mavs or Spurs would have taken Mirotic. Spurs in fact did take a stashed Euro (Bertans) in the 2nd round.

    With Mirotic and the Charlotte pick (which Bulls refuse to trade) they are making preparations to contend for many years knowing there own draft picks will always be very low. If one or both of these assets pan out Bulls could look very smart.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I agree Edward. It's really premature to have such negative feelings abou this draft. It seems to me the Bulls grabbed what most people think is a solid player but we dont have him on the books while he's in Europe. We'll add him in a couple years when we'll need him. Now we go out and get a SG. If the SG we end up starting next year is worse that any of the SGs that Shakes is livid about us missing (not sure who that is since everyone knows this draft aint so good) then get back to us then. Otherwise there is no issue except an invented one for something to bitch and whine about. Did someone call the waaaaaahhhhhhbulance???

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Yeah those darn Texas teams know their Euro players alright! Look at how good Dirk turned out for Dallas!

    Thibs and before him chose Taj over Tyrus because he was steady and while didn't have a high of a ceiling as Tyrus was consistent and a hard worker but not flashy...same with Bogans as starting SG! From what I'm hearing same with Jimmy Butler.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Really? Come on now.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I see a lot of fans underestimating Hill.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Love him, if he only cost the 15th pick I wish the Bulls found a way to get him (maybe some combination of trades involving the Charlotte pick?). He lacks height but I'd be happy to have him back up Rose and play the 2 next to him for a reasonable number of minutes a night if he comes in a cheap deal like that.

    But he in no way makes the Pacers anywhere near on the Bulls level.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The Bulls weren't suppose to be on the level that they were on so... they just might be.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Lets not let the 62 wins fool you again, you see what happened when they faced a team that knew how to score when needed.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Winning the division is about the regular season though, you don't face the Heat all 82 games. Nobody would win 62 games if they had to play teams on the Heat's level every night.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Again... Don't let the regular season fool ya.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    You started this thread of conversation by saying the Pacers might win the division ... you do realise divisions are won in the regular season don't you?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Have a good night or morning which ever is preferable.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Nice comeback. Now I'm not going to be able to sleep all summer worrying about the Pacers LOL

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Doug, I am amazed that you think Butler is a "stretch four." First of all he is not long enough to play the four and second he is not a great long-range shooter. As Gar said, he is a perimeter defender (probably to help stop Lebron). Butler himself said he considered himself a guard. Come on Doug, get your head in the game.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Doug-
    I would've thought that if they were positioning themselves to be able to trade Taj to upgrade the SG spot, drafting Justin Harper would've made much more sense. A 4-yr player from a solid program, arguably the best shooter in the draft that could stretch the other teams 4 and help open the lane for Rose, right now is ahead of Taj offensively and behind defensively but has shown he has the ability to be a good defender and solid rebounder.

    Butler is going to be a solid rotation guy, but I don't get how he really adds any roster flexibility.

    Thoughts?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'm impressed that Bulls were able to trade up to 23 for the 2nd round pick. And I'm surprised both Marshon Brooks and Jordan Hamilton were available to Bulls. I thought they'd have to trade Taj or the Charlotte pick to have a chance at those two players, but knew Bulls wouldn't trade a big.

    So it seems Bulls made a nice tradeup but a puzzling pick (Mirotic).
    My only explanation is Bulls have their eyes on adding a veteran SG via MLE or trade. If Bulls can do that while keeping Taj and Asik what then will we think of GarPaxDorf?

    There is also the added caveat that Bulls draft is strongly taking into account the new CBA. The fact that Bulls are prepared with their non-guaranteed contract strategy for another year makes this seem likely.

    What would you guys have thought if Bulls drafted Marshon Brooks and Jimmy Butler?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Bulls drafted Jimmy Butler because he's replacing Deng. Deng will be traded for Monte Ellis

  • In reply to calle3:

    1000-1 on that one.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    lol

  • In reply to calle3:

    i agree butler will replace deng and his bad contract but i don't know if they will trade deng for ellis.

  • In reply to calle3:

    If you expect late round picks to replace your 40 minute per game guys, you're probably not going to make it as a GM ;)

  • In reply to calle3:

    Bulls love Deng. But I'd like Deng a lot more at 32-34 minutes per game than 39+. Now if we could get Thibs to rest Rose and not play him all 24 minutes of 2nd halves!
    Just having those two guys rested in the 4th quarters could have allowed Bulls to close out Miami Heat.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    After checking out the reports, I'd be decently happy with the Mirotic draft if he were available after a one year wait, but three years? And he's made no comments about wanting to come to the NBA any time soon from what I've read.

    But he does sound like he could be a good offensive player. NBADraft.net has his shooting as off the charts with a legit post game, and good first step at 6'10. I just thought JuJuan Johnson if you wanted to trade up is explosive with a legit offensive game. I hate that he was only one pick away I really wanted him. And Tyler Honeycutt would have been good too. Reggie Jackson, I knew he'd be gone.

    As for Butler, the first time I watched him play last year he looked like an NBA player to me. I like him. I think he can play. Could be a solid bench guy with perhaps Taj impact as his upside.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    If Mirotic ever comes over, he could be very exciting, 6'10 guy who's shooting 40%+ from the three point line in Europe at the highest level of European competition at a very young age.

    DX had him ranked 7th in their top 100 prospect list for this year (which factors in only talent, not contract situation).

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    If the Bulls are still a legit contender in three years, he would probably be more interested then had he been drafted by the Timberwolves or similar.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Lost in all the draft noise was the best NBA news of the day: Ron Artest is trying to change his name to Metta World Peace. I love Ron Artest, he never lets you down when it comes to entertainment value.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I love Ron Ron! Put a mike in front of him and enjoy the show! :-)

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    To me, the Butler pick means that the Bulls are very happy with Boozer and Taj. If they were not, then I think they would have drafted Harper. What I've heard so far on Butler (I've never seen him play)is that he can defend just about anyone. I think this could come in play when there is a shooting big on the other team, like Bargnani, Hansbrough, Rashard Lewis, guys who Boozer had no chance to guard. Butler can probably stick with them rather than trying to put Deng on them. I also like the looks of a line-up of Rose, Brewer, Deng, Butler being out there at the same time.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Bulls Draft grade: C

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Thats the homer grade, I would say more like a D cause now they have to make trades and more than likely give up fan favorites and important bench players not unless they give up the rookie Butler.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    No rookie available to the Bulls in this draft was going to make an immediate impact and take them from the ECF to NBA Champs. No matter what they did in the draft, it's obvious that the only significant IMMEDIATE improvements would come through trades or free agency.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Did you want Beasley?

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It's not even not drafting Brooks (he's not a three point shooter so I don't really mind the Bulls didn't want him), it's not drafting a SG at all. Sure you can say it's unlikely they'd get a starter with the picks they had, but the likelihood is 0% if you don't even try.

    And what do the Bulls have to show for it? A Euro guy who might be here in 3 years (or not at all, as the draft express article speculates)? This isn't an Asik situation where the Bulls weren't a good team when they picked him, the Bulls are in a situation where having players now is at a premium.

    And how does Butler pan out so we can trade Taj? He's not going to play unless Taj is traded. PF is already super crowded with Boozer, Taj, Deng when we go small and hopefully some Noah in a Noah/Asik lineup.

    Just a really confusing draft, normally I can see what the Bulls are thinking even if the results don't always work out (eg Tyrus). But this draft is just a head scratcher. The Bulls are just a SG away. Why not draft 3 SGs, let them fight it out for a rotation spot, and at least give yourself the best possible odds of getting the one piece you need to win a championship? Might not work but at least you're giving it a shot, not drafting for "talent" that you might never even get to see.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Bulls made the decision that a rookie SG cannot start for a championship team and compete deep in the playoffs. Bulls will work to add a veteran SG via MLE or trade.

    Bulls set in motion their plan with non-guaranteed contracts (Pargo/Lucas/Bogans, Watson/Korver/Brewer) to allow a team to shed salary after the new CBA. Bulls will give that strategy time to work.

    As a 4-year senior and good defender from a fundamentally sound program, Jimmy Butler has Thibs respect and will get some minutes. Apparently, Marshon Brooks (whom I was high on) had some issues in Bulls opinion.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I didn't expect anyone we draft to start next year. But if you get some guys who can play the backup minutes behind the vet you bring in to start, then you might end up with your starter in year 2 or 3 out of this draft. Which would have been perfect, because we're probably bringing in a vet who will only give us 1-2 productive years.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Boston did pretty well in the draft, they got both Purdue players, players that the Bulls were projected to maybe getting. That's the difference between a championship organization and a organization like the Bulls that want to take a player that wont join the team for 3 years. There's a big difference.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Boston trying to win another championship now, I don't know what the Bulls are doing. I guess waiting on the Heat to break up cause that's the only way they will beat them.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Boston aren't winning a championship with Jermaine O'Neal and nothing at center. Boston didn't address their needs through this draft any more than the Bulls did.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Yeah ok but the Celtics are trying, Bulls I dont know.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Some of you guys just wont understand til the Bulls are eliminated again next year. Sorry for ya

  • In reply to Reese1:

    What the hell are you talking about, I think the Bulls had a brain fart this draft too, I just don't think Boston did anything that helps them next year either.

    If you want to use a team as an example use the Heat. OKC took their guy so they immediately jumped up in the order to get the next guy on their list, even though they would have preferred to not commit to a guaranteed deal by staying in the second round.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Yeah... OK....

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I think ellis would be obtaineble goldenstate dratfTed 2 good shooting guards they dont need ellis no more

  • In reply to Reese1:

    So Marshon Brooks is the difference between winning the title next year and not.

    Bookmark that thought and see how much sense it makes in 10 months.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Yes, that will be the debate going forward. Should Bulls have taken Marshon Brooks at 23 instead of Mirotic?
    It's similar to LaMarcus Aldridge vs. Tyrus Thomas/Viktor Khryapa. Only time will tell.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    someone hide the knives from Reese and call his shrink I think this is the big meltdown.....xanax stat

  • In reply to Reese1:

    This is like the fear of the unknown. The world is bigger for basketball than just Purdue players or some other university players. It is not football or even baseball ...basketball is a very universal game.
    Look at how San Antonio has done(Ginobli, Scola etc..) and look at Asik. If there is a hard cap in the new CBA or flex cap, not having to pay that 3 mil to a 2 min player like Juan Johnson or Etwan Moore helps

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Boston still had a better draft than the Bulls.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    How can you make such a factual conclusion. It is ridiculous unless you are a fan of Purdue boys and just feel hurt that they are not playing for your favorite pro team

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    nope not a fan at all so nope not at all hurt, Boston just had a better draft, plain and simple.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Given that we presently know nothing about how the players will translate to the NBA that seems like a fairly ridiculous thing to say as a factual statement. It's quite possible that the Bulls absolutely destroyed Boston in the draft, and in fact, I will speculate that is the case.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    It wouldnt seem as crazy if we traded the #28 for a 2014 Minny lotto pick and then in 2014 used that lotto pick to draft Mirotic, cause that's exactly what happened.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    You are one negative dude reese. I seem to remember the championship Bulls teams stashing a euro away that worked out pretty well for their second three peat. If they couldnt make a trad for a SG or feel real confident a FA then I think they drafted very well. Not having to pay a 1st round this year allows them more flexibly. Considering they drafted 28 and 30 I think they ended up pretty good.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    It's not about me being negative its about the Bulls management being stupid. They need scoring in the worst way and they made no attempts to resolve that. If the CBA is going to have a hard cap the Bulls wont be able to do anything. All I can say is they better have some kind of plan in mind cause Rose is their only player that can create for himself. Next year in the playoffs will be this year in the playoffs all over again, all the better for them tho if they do nothing when this CBA crap is settled.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Do you honestly believe after all the comments from Reinsdorf and Gar/Pax that they are going to start next year with Bogans and Brewer as our #1/#2 SGs?

    Just because you want a shoe and you find a fancy shoe on sale at a store and your foot size is 11, you don't buy a size 9 just because size 11 is not available at that time.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Well said

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Last thing I have to say on this subject... I said at the beginning of the season that the Bulls needed better perimeter scoring and that it would hurt them in the playoffs and it did. I will say it again, if the Bulls don't fix their perimeter scoring before next year starts, they will disappoint a lot of fans whenever next year starts and I still say that Boozer is not the answer but the Bulls are stuck with him. Good luck to the Bulls this off season cause they will need it when its time to try and make trades cause that's the only way they will upgrade their scoring.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Your beginning of the season views were extraordinarily negative. You repeatedly called the team average, predicted win totals in the 40s.

    Let's not pretend that your predictions were accurate or clairvoyant in any way.

    I agree the Bulls need more perimeter scoring, as does just about anyone else who follows the team. I think the options to get it are probably better in both free agency and the trade market than they were in this draft.

    If the Bulls do nothing else to improve the perimeter play of the team before the start of the season then I'll be disappointed, but I doubt that will be the case.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    We will see one day when the lockout is over. And I never predicted how many wins the Bulls would end up with and seems to me they did prove me right in being an average team cause they're certainly not a contender at the moment are they??? I hope for all of the homer fans sake that the Bulls management can get thugs right cause whether some of the fans admit it or not, the Bulls had a poor draft night and it all comes full circle to the Bulls doing the same dumb Bulls**t like they almost always seem to do.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    not a contender? You really believe that?

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Shut the hell up. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. If you want to talk shit about the Bulls and having the best record in the NBA than go do it somewhere else. Most people read Doug's blog because they are interested in what the Bulls are going to do to make this team the best they possibly can...not to hear you bitch about every single thing the Bulls organization says or does.

  • In reply to zvodicka:

    Thank you! It needed to be said!

  • In reply to zvodicka:

    Lol... I offended a homer fan...lol...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    wow you are one stupid MF Reese. Please dont have kids, break the cycle.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    We should be grading last year's draft. Grading last night's draft today is futile.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Mirotic is gonna be good....but i would of grabbed Justin Harper with the next pick.Jimmy Butler seems like he can play though, so hopefully they are right. Bulls just got themselves a 6'10 Euro 3 pt shooter with tons of game. Love the pick.

    Bulls did what they should do...stash players overseas an go after legit veterens to fill the SG role. Our future SG wasnt this late in the draft apparently. Bobcats pick next year could be pretty high, thats another chance we could use to find our SG. Plus thats a deep draft. Hopefully Butler can play though.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It seems to me the Bulls are planning ahead and just brought some insurance for 2014 when most of our contracts will expire. In case some people didnt realize by 2014 unless extended or traded all but Noah and presumably Rose will be the only Bulls under contract. Looking ahead i think Mirotic was a good decision in the long term and decisions like that is the reason we have the best record in the NBA while staying under the cap. Not many teams can pull that off.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    62 wins and getting to the ECF is not something average teams do. Every team in the league has flaws but it doesn't make them all average.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I will believe it when Reinsdork make a good trade

  • In reply to Reese1:

    For better perimeter scorers

  • In reply to Reese1:

    We all know they need more scoring but just because the FO doesn't take your path getting it done doesn't mean they are stupid. If the right deal didn't present itself then I am perfectly fine with not overpaying. There are a lot of SGs out there and I will be disappointed if we don't get any of them. If they repeat last years result I will be disappointed that they didn't make/win the finals but it certainly won't be the tragedy you make it out to be.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Everyone keeps talking like Mayo is the answer. Thibs wants defense but that doesn't transfer over to putting the ball in the basket. Yeah we win 50+ games next year except we go out in 2nd round instead of conference finals. They could have used those 3 picks as leverage to trade for the quality player they really need. Now you have to give up too many core players because they have no prospect or unknown talent. Ultimately they need 2 SG's not just one.

  • In reply to jclass:

    Ronnie Brewer is a perfect backup SG and even Bogans can play spot minutes as the 3rd SG or if the 1st Guard gets in foul trouble.

    I agree with Kbar17 that the Bulls have an idea about the new CBA proposals and are planning to take advantage of that. The season doesn't start next week....

  • In reply to jclass:

    I agree and a lot of Bulls fans will too once the Bulls are struggling for points in the playoffs again next year. The blueprint is too easy to beat the Bulls in the playoffs... stop Rose and that's it. AGAIN, TOO EASY TO BEAT THE BULLS IN THE PLAYOFFS.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It wasn't two easy for the first two teams that played them. You're very negative about a team that made it to the ECF and won the most games in the NBA.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Reese has changed his name to "Glass is 3/4 empty" (because Turd Ferguson was taken)

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I think it's easy to understand what they were doing.

    They drafted a guy they thought was ultra talented, but would have to wait a few years on because they don't have much roster room right now anyway.

    At that point, you might as well take a guy who's really good that you can stash away. You need the players far LESS than normal, because you don't have room to develop him anyway.

    Butler can add depth in the situation where they trade big for small, which I think is highly likely if they get a starting shooting guard via trade.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I understand what they're trying to do, but what they're trying to do is completely stupid. Normally when the Bulls have taken a gamble (eg Tyrus) I say "yeah, that makes sense, might not work out but I can see the logic". There is no logic in taking a guy who might not come over until Rose is off the team (don't say it can't happen, LeBron left a team that did similar things to this year's Bulls, anything is possible in the NBA when it comes to superstars now) when you're on the verge of a championship now. Even if he turns out to be a great pick it's the opportunity cost that ticks me off.

    Bring in the SGs, hope one works out, at least you're taking the next logical step to getting that last piece. Who cares if it means you're burying the other two guys you drafted, they're on small contracts and shouldn't JR be able to wear that kind of cost?

    The only reason behind not doing that is that the Bulls didn't like who was there at SG. Who gives a crap, every year there's guys that no team liked yet turn out to be a productive starters. But you'll never get that guy if you don't draft someone and hope they're that guy!

    Jimmy Butler I'm less unhappy with than the Euro pick, really if they'd used the other pick(s) on a SG I'd live with Butler, especially if it means Taj is going in a trade to get a established SG as the starter, even if only as a short term solution.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    So are you unhappy that we drafted Asik? Would you have preferred we kept Sonny Weems and just hoped he was the guy even if we didn't think he was?

    Or were we better off taking the guy we felt had lottery talent, but was sliding because he couldn't play for a couple years?

    This is the same thing. The Bulls will acquire a veteran shooting guard and have too much depth to develop a rookie there anyway. Instead they get a guy who they feel is one of the better players in the draft and just have to wait a couple years on him.

    As for Rose leaving, I bet that he signs an extension that locks him in for the maximum length allowed under thew new CBA within 2 weeks of the CBA being ratified (assuming the new CBA still allows early extensions still)

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    No I'm happy we drafted Asik, because the Bulls weren't good back then so there was no harm if we didn't get him right away. It's the situation that annoys me, if the Bulls were a lottery or fringe playoff team then it's a great pick. They're not though, they're a championship contender with one hole, and they made no attempt to fill it.

    I think there's time for a rookie even with a vet shooting guard if Bogans becomes only an injury reserve (as he should) and Korver's role is reduced (as it should, since he's not going to play much against the Heat).

    As for Rose, if he signs a max length contract then all his talk about caring about winning is a sham. If he cares about winning he leaves his options open for if the Bulls can't deliver. If Rose is who he says he is he signs the same sort of deal LeBron did.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Past deals have shown Gar/Pax know what they're doing. I trust them on this.

  • In reply to boogernights:

    +1

    Not sold on Jimmy Butler yet though. Bulls did pass up my guy Charles Jenkins, and he was taken at 44 by a guy who knows what he is doing a bit, Mr. Jerry West. Of course even West passed up Jenkins 3 times himself :) lol

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Rose has already said he's playing his whole career here, he's the type of guy I don't see renegging on his word. Also, you assume that Rose is so dumb that he thinks a rookie SG with no outside shot and that plays no "D" is going to be the missing piece. He knows he needs a seasoned vet that won't wilt under the pressure of crunch time (so, not Vince Carter)

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Bulls need scorers not more defense

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Doug how does the salary situation work with the Bulls drafting Mirotic? Do they need to pay him now while in Europe or only if/when he joins the Bulls?
    Do he count for a roster spot?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    butler is a small forward, he'll back up deng.

  • In reply to rob32:

    agreed, thinking he could cover Bosh or other 4s is silly

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