Bulls Beat #196 - Draft review

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Bulls Beat #196 - Draft review

 

I discuss the Bulls haul at the NBA draft as well as my initial take on the NBA's new collective bargaining agreement.

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  • Love the trade up/Mirotic selection. Everything about it. I would love to see them keep this Euro pipline open while selecting late in the draft every year, much like the Spurs have done every year, as well as teams like the Mavs or others. If they keep this going, its a great way to get high end talent over, and after 3-4 years it will be paying off every year (if they keep it up)

  • Yes, Bulls have obviously learned from their draft mistake in 2007 when they had 49 and 51, thought Euro Marc Gasol would drop to them, and got burned when Gasol was taken at 48 by Lakers who won two NBA Championships by trading Marc for his brother Pau.

    Since that very difficult leasson, Bulls traded up to secure their targeted player with Euro Asik and Euro Mirotic. Bulls learned from their 2007 blunder and made two shrewd tradeups for Euros in 2008 and 2011.

    I too hope Bulls continue to pursue European players. Marc Gasol is good, Asik has proven good, I'm confident Mirotic will be good as well. From 28 to 23 was a brilliant tradeup by Bulls and I'm thrilled with it.

  • In reply to Edward:

    16th pick James Johnson -> 28th pick -> 23rd Pick Nikola Mirotic

    GarPax really made up for their big mistake.

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do somthin' like this..... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    and the same can be said about the Tyrus Thomas pick. They didn't get Aldridge back, but they did turn it into something substantial.

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    GarPax is shrewd no doubt. Can't make this deal without those trade exception deals they made with Utah & Phoenix last summer to give them the 2nd rounder they traded. Its all about the little things, just like those non guaranteed deals they handed out last year to every free agent they signed except for Boozer. Those will come into play.

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    Mirotic isn't even in the league for a few years yet, James Johnson is a starter for Toronto, little bit soon to say the Bulls got the best of the trade.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    True. And same can be said for the Charlotte pick which we won't know the result of for several years.

    But credit must be given to Bulls for doing their best to correct a mistake, just like the Thabo/pick/Taj transaction.

    However, we do know Bulls have nothing to show for drafting Aaron Gray and JamesOn Curry in 2007, rather than trading up for Marc Gasol. No recovery was possible from that blunder.

    But it appears Bulls won't let that happen again and I'm glad for that.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    its not too soon. At the moment, we have the best of that one, and the Charlotte trade. You don't believe it? Just ask Charlotte if they want to take that one back.

  • I wished they had picked up a combo guard/PG in the second round who is more high on potential than John Lucas III. CJ Watson has been very ordinary in his play and I am not saying we jettison him for nothing but better competition would have been nice. Somebody in the 40-50 range pick could have been bought like the Knicks did. Maybe a Charles Jenkins like guy for emergency, practice and to take over if CJ goes in a trade.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    that's the only thing keeping me from giving them a A+ at the moment, I wanted Charles Jenkins bad, wish they could have traded back into the mid 2nd to get him, steal of the draft @ 44 to the Warriors

  • Mirotic: What I like about him is he's already productive in Europe, those international picks have tended to pan out. It's when you start drafting the Darkos on their unlimited upside potential that you get busts. Still don't agree with the strategy, but it's a good execution of the strategy. It also looks better if one of the years we're waiting is lost to a lockout (unlikely, but possible).

    Butler: I still don't really see him getting significant time, I mean isn't "athletic defender as the backup 3" JJ's supposed role he couldn't get time at last year too? I had a bit of a chuckle at you saying in reference to the SG situation that Thibs doesn't want to play a rookie but then talking up Butler actually getting playing time at the SF position. As if Deng ever goes to the bench with the team up by less than 30.

    Brooks: He can't shoot the three so wouldn't have played over Bogans. That's the reality with coach Thibs.

    SG draft: You're really saying that you don't think you can find a SG late in the draft? It's the easiest position to get a diamond in the rough from. There's always late first to undrafted SGs who end up being starters. Depending on which of these you want to call SGs: Jackson, Afflalo, Matthews, Ginobili (yeah diff situation I know), Martin, Bell, Stevenson, Morrow, Salmons and of course Bogans ... all drafted 26th or later. 1/4 to 1/3 the league depending who you want to say is a SF.

    Nobody should count on a guy coming in to start right away, but if you get a washed up vet as a placeholder like we seem to be planning having a guy who plays backup minutes then might take over in a year or two is common sense. Maybe an undrafted guy like Lighty could be that player.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Add Sam Young, Landry Fields and Monta Ellis to that list of starting SGs drafted in the second round. Should probably have been a bit systematic and went through team by team rather than just trying to think of names.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    either way its a shit ton! Still I'm not high on Brooks.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Yeah I think Brooks' lack of shooting made him a less than ideal fit, regardless of any work out concerns the Bulls might have had.

    But Brooks didn't have to be the pick, a second round pick could have been bought and one brought in that way ... because history shows that there almost certainly WILL be a guy late from this draft who ends up starting at SG for some team down the road. You never know, it could be one of the undrafted guys, so I'm hoping the Bulls are going to give one a shot once the new CBA rolls around ... surely they can't do any worse than Scal/Pargo/Lucas for the bench filler spots.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    yep, plus one

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    What really sucks about this lockout is Thibs won't be able to talk to players or closely work with them. He's shown the desire & aptitude to do so already, and I was looking forward to this offseason for him to do so again. Kind of like the jump an individual player makes from 1st - 2nd year & 2nd-3rd, thats what I was expecting form him in the way he can help his players & team as a whole. I hope all the players are working with each other & their personal trainers.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'm glad we have all our key players under contract during the lockout, wouldn't want a situation like the Tyson Chandler one where he didn't work in the off-season for fear of getting injured without a contract, only have the off-season be 9 months long!

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Contract year for Asik

  • In reply to kumquatq3:

    Yeah but he's under contract during the lockout so wont feel like he can't work out until he has a contract locked up.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    true, I didn't think about that, Bulls should be 1 of a handful of teams with no major FAs

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The problem with 2 guards in the draft is that it's not always possible to determine who's going to be able to make the transition and be able to score against the bigger faster NBA defenses. There's been a lot of players that put up big numbers in college who were drafted early that become real average as pros.

    On the other hand, defensive instincts are kind of innate. As long as the player has the neccessary mind set and size, it's easier to determine what your getting.

    As far as the Bulls getting it's SG, I'd be really surprised if they didn't already have a pretty good idea of who they'll be able to get and the general cost. Even with the uncertainy of the CBA, the way the Bulls operate would lead one to believe that they have a Plan A, Plan B and a Plan C.

    I would suspect that their plans would involve keeping Asik and Gibson. They were too good defensively for Thibs to let them go. Although I dont think either will be traded, of the 2 Gibson would go before Asik. They have a rough idea of Taj's ceiling. It's too soon to know what Omar can become. They'll want to want to see more before they let him go Plus Taj's series against the Heat increased his reputation perhaps greater than his actual abilities.

    I would expect that for a scorer that Korver would be the first one the Bulls would want to trade. Other than Boozer, of course.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    the difference seems to be that Butler has the attitude tailor made for Thibs, while JJ apparently do enough in practice to impress, and never could gain Tom's trust.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    and 1 could argue that Butler is being brought in for the exact purpose of giving Deng more rest. As athletic as JJ was, he made too many mental errors to be an option as a lock down defender, Butler also looks like he could become a glue guy, played that role at Marquette.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    We'll see, Thibs already has a pretty long rotation, with 10 guys playing most nights, occasionally even 11 when he felt Thomas was a good match up. Are we really going to be playing 12 deep?

    I think it depends on the SG trade we make, obviously it should bump Bogans from the rotation to being an injury reserve (if he's not sent out in the deal), but if another player goes out in the deal then maybe that opens up a rotation slot for him. What would seem to make sense is Gibson going out which would open up some minutes at the 4, although the Bulls are definitely talking Butler up as a wing so maybe that's not in their plans at all. Maybe Korver and/or Watson's role is going to be taken by the new SG though?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Butler is a wing player. I know you disagree with me, but he is a wing player.

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