Bulls Beat #194 - Mavericks Beat

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Bulls Beat #194 - Mavericks Beat

 

I discuss the NBA finals, LeBron James' collapse, and how the results should feel good for chicago Bulls fans.

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  • It sounds sacriligous to say this, but, eh, part of me hoped that the heat would win, so other superstar's would freak out, so they're might be a stronger chance that X(dwight Howard, iggy, or even ellis) forces a trade to chicago.

  • I havent been this happy about who won the finals since 1998.

    i was happy for a number of winners - but i am absolutely ecstatic that Heat lost & Mavs won

  • Like I said, Bulls in 6...oops. I meant Mavs in 6.

    Well, I knew the Mavs would beat the Heat. They have multiple consistent SCORERS, unlike the Bulls. I'm sorry I believed in Deng and Boozer. Hopefully Paxson and Forman learned something after watching this NBA Finals.

    It takes "Team Defense" and "Supporting Cast Offense" to win championships.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You should have put CONSISTENT in all caps...that was the issue for the role players. They could score, just not consistently.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Over the course of the season, and the historical view of the players involved, the Heat had more consistent and powerful scorers than the Mavs.

  • I know what you can do about LeBron ... trade him for Howard. ;)

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    i know what you can do... pull his pants down and see if there's any junk missing.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    in all seriousness, this guy is an emotional train wreck waiting to happen. Consider how fucked up his life has been (compared to any healthy human being) and there must something wrong with him. He isnt sure enough of himself to stand all the hate, its wearing him down. His emotional maturity is questionable at best.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    of course he insists he doesnt care... in his press conference.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    This guy needs a big time heart transplant. He literally was scared to shoot in the 4th quarter. That was incredible to watch. No amount of practice, coaching, offensive sets will help him unless he is playing broken down teams or inexperienced teams where he feeds on confidence.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    +100. I think he need to shut up completly at least during one season. He can't bear the pressure but he always continues to put himself on spotlight ! per exemple did he need to say before game 3 that'S he is unstoppable and that no one can guard him one on one ?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Iggy would be nice to get but our best option might be to do a sign and trade to get Jason Richardon.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    *Richardson

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    I am soooo happy the Mavs won! I absolutely hope Miami don't trade LeBron for Dwight Howard. If that trade was made I don't feel confident the Bulls could beat that team. If both teams come back with the same players I expect the Bulls to play better in the playoffs. Miami has to grow as a team. I agree with Doug, they are not a team. The Bulls are young enough that improvement can be expected. DRose still has more growing to do and will. Gibson needs to work on his outside shot more. He can be a similar player to Bosh, but with better defensive skills if he adds a jump shot. Noah and Asik need to work on their offensive games. If these 4 players take another step up (which I think will happen) we can beat this Miami team. Yes we lost 4-1 to Miami, but the series was much closer than that. If the Bulls can get a better shooting guard to go along with continued player development they will be a better team. I can't wait for the next season to begin....Once this lockout crap is settled. GO BULLS!

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Yes I'm so happy. Lewimp James is a looser forever ! Congratulations Mavs !!! Unlike chicago, Dallas has real players who don't desappear in pressure time. Terry, Marion and barea are all better than Luol and Boozer. If those guys could do their job, Bulls would have won this championship. TRADE OVERRATED DENG FOR ELLIS!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Considering these same Mav players were ousted from the playoffs year after year, were they not "real" players before tonight? Did they all of a sudden become "real"? You're right, if our players played as well as the Mavs we would have won this championship.. but the same goes for every team. Cmon .

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I guess we all can go back to our lives according to Lebron and he can go back to his as well in still not being a NBA champion. This guy has some serious character issues and the 4 lettered network still trying to take up for him. I say that was a insult to the fans that don't like him saying no I didn't win the championship but I'm rich and we are not. This guy is seriously challenged and don't even realize it

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I have to agree with chisportsguru, Just cause we lost 3 close games to the Heat doesn't mean that Luol, Boozer, and the rest of the team are not real players. You don't just go dump Deng because they lost to the Heat in the ECF. Deng played great all season and played good D on Lebron. Lebron just hit some ridiculous shots that no one could stop. If Lebron hit those same shots, we would have been watching the Heat celebrate last night. Also, I truly don't believe Ellis is the answer. If you can get him for scraps, then go for it, but he's not worth a starting player like Deng.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Deng did not play great all season, he just played average/good, or gooda/average.

    As for his defense on Lebron, just compare Lebrons stats against us vs Dallas and Marion. Apparently, Deng is no Shaun Marion.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    You would conclude that if you hadn't seen the games. The fact is Lebron hit 50% of his threes against us when he averages 30% for his career, he is not a great shooter. He is unstoppable when he is hitting his shots but he cannot sustain it for four rounds. He hit his shots against us, it was insane, but as we saw in the finals.. it was an aberration not something he sustains.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    those real players are also vteran players, playoff tested players

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Cmon Deewaves...do you even watch the games??? To lump Deng in with Boozer as a let down shows us its not just English you struggle with but Basketball IQ and common sense. Swapping Deng for Ellis would hurt the team way more than help (adding Ellis to the team might help but could disupt Rose's game). I do like the LeWimp nick name...so there's that.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    We keep unfairly blaming Deng for Rose, Noah and Boozer not showing up in the ECF. We all know Deng is not a good ball handler. But, he played well to his potential and that potential is good enough unless you get a major upgrade at the SF position. The problem is the other guys didn't make the right plays and you can't blame Deng for that.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    precisely Deng's potential isn't good enough, that's the issue. In playoffs only real men stand ! Ellis can explode on scoring like Terry and Barea. That's why i want him.

    And please don't act as if once Deng is traded, nobody will play 3. We could make a trade with our picks or draft a SF. SF is the easiest position to find in the nba. If not we could trade Deng+Gisbon for Ellis and Dorrel wright ! Wright worths 16 ppg and is a very good 3pt shooter.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Don't go there about Wright. These guys are not proven on the big stage. Deng is much more proven than him. Wright scored 16 for GSW. Again, I am not against Ellis. I think he would be great for the Bulls. But, not if you give up your 2nd best player on the team to create a hole. I am sure GarPax will try to give up Taj/Asik before Deng.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Deng is not our second best player, and if he is that is what is wrong with our team.

    Deng is no better than the 3rd and more likely 4rth best player on a championship team.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Correct, Deng is ideally a 3rd or 4th option, not a 2nd option. Problem is, Boozer is not a 2nd option either.

  • In reply to Edward:

    If those players are that bad, why do you always protect them when it comes to trade ?

  • In reply to Edward:

    Dirk earned his ring and he was the real closer last night. He has had to wait on long time for his ring, longer than other superstars. Congrats Dirk, J-Kidd and Co.

    http://theresastatforthat.blogspot.com/2011/06/dirks-ring-long-time-coming.html

  • In reply to deewaves:

    At least we know Ben Gordon can be clutch. We also know Ray Allen can be clutch as well, which is why I don't understand why everytime I bring him up I get so many scoffers. I'm glad Dallas won a) because I dislike Miami and b) it showed that you need veterans that have been there before and Ray Allen certainly has been there before.

  • In reply to nolebron:

    There is a difference between veterans and being old. Miami had a whole bunch of veterans who were just old and couldn't perform like Bibby. I like Ben Gordon but please no Ray Allen unless he is in a Scalabrine, Pargo type role. He was 1 out of 4 game show this season. We need a ball handler than just a 3pt shooter and being create to his own shot. Ellis, Gordon, Jamal Crawford are all much better fit than Allen.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    +100. That's why i like Ellis because beyond scoring, that guy can PG. 5.6 ast for a 2 is huge given he plays next a good PG ! JR would also be good target.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Ben Gordon cannot handle the ball without driblling off his leg, knee foot or dick for that matter.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Completely Agree. I don't understand how so many forget that while Gordon could shoot the Bulls back into games with 10-15 points in a quarter, he could not close in the final 2 minutes.

    Because the defense would send a second defender or large athletic forward and Gordon would either force a crazy shot or turn the ball over.

    And people keep calling him clutch, how can memory be so selective and inaccurate. But it matters not cause no way Bulls take on that horrible contract for a 6th man.

    Bulls will do something fiscally responsible and will not add another 8 figure contract for a 3rd tier (non all-star) player - we already have two or three of those.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Dallas, Dallas, Dallas. Gotta love it. Wade and LeBron are sad excuses of humanity in my book. They will never learn. Two titles max. The way Dallas demolished the Lakers I do think they were underrated, but the Portland collapse actually set them on a Final course for winning.

    I don't see a trade happening for the Bulls because they feel you win with bigs(Taj/Asik). We'll just have to hope we get lucky in the draft, and Booz and Noah come back in a huge way. And hope the Bulls have the balls to talk Thibs into an offensive assitant with real say - not happening most likely.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Speaking of LeBron...he missed so many 3s against Dallas but was making almost 50% of those clutch 3s against the Bulls. My guess would be the zone defense which Carlisle threw up once in a while which screwed his rhythm which Thibs never did.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I'm sure the defense had something to do with it, but I suspect the lack of an offensive threat from an inept Bulls team with terrible field goal percentages and points per game probably had something to do with it as well. It takes all the pressure off. To me a potent team offense is as important to pressuring another team's players/offense as is a strong defense.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Very true RW

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I understand people wanting to stick with Deng over trading for a guy like Monta Ellis who is undersized for his position and not a highly efficient scorer/player. Plus Deng is an effort/character guy who you build with chemistry over time as other championship teams do keeping the same character players. If I thought Ellis was a character guy and stalwart competitor in playoff situations I would have to say yes to the deal. But I don't know that to be the case at all. I know there have been some concerns about his character. I'd probably say you have to stick with Deng. Honestly I don't think G.S. would trade Ellis for Deng straight up anyway. 25ppg/scoring efficient or not talks. We'd have to give more even if they were interested in Luol. In the end probably just another fantasy acquistion(Ellis) that will never happen. Now if it were Mark Cuban who goes after a Shawn Marion, Tyson Chandler etc. etc. But the Bulls just don't spend money or wheel and deal like that as a matter of practice/over time.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    Very true about Ellis. However RW I disagree that the Bulls won't spend money or wheel and deal because of management's past. Cuban has been very active but he's also had Dirk every moment he's owned the team. There really hasn't been a point to the Bulls taking risks until now. We'll see.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    You're right about the 3pt shot disparity, but the reality is Lebron was bound to return to earth considering he only shoots 30% from 3 for his career.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    The Bulls trading for Ellis would be a iffy trade imo cause the backcourt would be too small if he were to start. If the Bulls can get him for no starters or Gibson then the Bulls should try to get him cause he can definitely give the Bulls much needed offense. I think things should start with the draft for the Bulls to try and make some deals.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Be realistic, how can you get 25 ppg whithout giving up a starter ? Do you think life is easy ?

  • In reply to deewaves:

    How many teams have had two 25 PPG players recently? Kobe and Shaq, LeBron and Wade ... can't really think of too many more. We're not going to be able to obtain a first ballet hall of fame player, so we're not likely to have two 25 PPG scorers.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Im very realistic, you're just looking at the offensive side of things. The Bulls would be giving the opponents backcourt far too many points cause we all know Rose hasn't yet developed a killer instinct on defense and Ellis isn't known for playing lock down defense either. I understand that the Bulls need offense cause I have been saying it all season long but the Bulls need a guard that can create off the dribble and get to the basket and finish. Ellis is a good scorer, but he's more of a jump shooter and you see what happened to Miami didn't you? What makes you think Ellis would be any better so again I'm all about being realistic and I'm all in for the Bulls trying to get Ellis, but not for a starter or Gibson.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    are u joking ? Ellis is more a jump shooter ? he is most of all a driver like Rose instead. Anyway my point is how can get Monta ellis so cheaply. bogans, brewer and Korver for Ellis ? lol. please come back on earth.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Ellis took 77% of his shots as jump shots, compared to 69% for Rose and LeBron and 61% for Wade. He's very much a jump shooter.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    anyway the more he is different from Rose, better it is ! With that shoot, he would spread well the floor for D-Rose !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    He doesn't have three point range, and he takes the majority of his shots off his own dribble, he's not a catch and shoot player. I don't think he's a good floor spacer.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    And I don't mean he's terrible, he wouldn't get treated like Asik playing SG or anything, defenses would pay some attention to him. But he's not a guy you have to worry about losing you on an off the ball screen to knock down a three Ray Allen style either.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Well... All I can say is don't look for a trade for Ellis if it means giving up a starter, not unless its Boozer which I doubt or Gibson. You seriously should not look forward to it happening.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    yeah it sad. I don't see why it's wrong to give up Noah for Ellis. We would end up with this :

    Rose-Ellis-Deng-Boozer-Asik. That's awesome. Behind asik, there will be kurt thomas. Futhermore, we could draft some guys to strengthen the bench.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Kurt Thomas is old as hell. He was great this year, but counting on him to play all the backup center minutes for a 2nd year player who can't make an offensive play is a bad idea.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Ellis is like Eric gordon and Kevin martin. If you were a GM, would you give up those players for Korver and brewer ? and you pretend you are realistic ?!

  • In reply to nolebron:

    I would love to add Allen, he is exactly what we need IMO and he's in amazing shape for his age. He'll be hitting 3s at a 40% clip and playing good smart defense for the next 4 years.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I'm pretty sure GSW would go for that trade in a second cause they'd be huge winners in that one! Deng+Gibson for Ellis+D. Wright would be a step backwards for Chicago...no way GarPax sign off on that trade.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Deng was more or less invisible against Miami, which is how he plays most of the time, except for that game or 3 a year where he scores 30+.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Did anyone else notice Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson once again criticizing Rick Carlisle for resting Dirk late in the 3rd Q with Dallas up only 2-3 points. They said,

  • In reply to Edward:

    Surprise Mark Jackson would be so bold ... it's normally his style to criticise the coach for doing/not doing something after it's already played out so he can think he looks smart for predicting it in retrospect.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Mark Jackson and JVG are big time suckers for the Heat. They kept talking about as if Game 7 is going to happen and not if. I think it is just more fear that this "great group of players" will rule over the less talented Mavs eventually and comeback as they did against the Bulls.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    If we were to lose Deng due to picking up Ellis we should make a strong push to pick up Wilson Chandler or Prince.

  • In reply to mrod:

    If we lose Deng to get Ellis every executive in the Bulls FO should be presecuted and executed at high noon for being complete morons. In other words there is no chance this happens because only brain dead fans would even suggest it...

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    actually, if we get Iggy for picks and expirings, then Deng for Ellis is absolutely rational.

    Double actually, I am not sure than GS would do that trade straight up.

  • In reply to mrod:

    We could also trade deng+Gibsob for Ellis and Dorrel Wright. I think it's the best solution since Warrios can't play 2 SF at the time. Dorrel Wright is as tall as deng and worths 16 ppg. Besides he has room for improvement.

    If not, as you said we have 2 draft picks+korver or brewer. that's should be enough to get another SF(Magette, Batum,Jeff Gren, IGGy, Ariza, Outlaw ...)

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Not a good trade for the Bulls cause they would be giving up too much defense and rebounds, especially with Boozer not wanting to play defense.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Again, Iggy and Ellis need to be a package deal. We come out ahead offensively and are no worse defensively

  • In reply to mrod:

    How exactly would we get them?

  • In reply to mrod:

    Did you really just advocate shooting Scottie Pippen in the head?

    That's kind of harsh. And ballsy - remember, Scottie has a gun.

  • In reply to mrod:

    (Comment @ 225/1092)

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Coming back to the Bulls, it does give us a pause about all the deals like Monta Ellis. Ellis has gone out of the first round once(It was almost a gimmick). We just don't know how these kind of players do deep in the playoffs and in those 50-50 games at the end of a ECF/Finals games. LeBron/Wade/Rose/Durant/Westbrook all choked this year due to various reasons. What did the Mavs show? That clutch gene about having the mental resolve, mental toughness which let them make some shots/passes which all the above superstars choked at.

    So, before we start dumping Deng or Asik or Taj, we just need to consider how they played during those stretches. Ellis might be another Westbrook or Durant in the playoffs(show up one game and disappear in another two).

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Yeah Ellis is not the answer....certainly not if we give up a starter. I can see sending Taj...but I woudlnt even send Asik for an SG that doesnt really fit with Rose. All this team needs is an SG that can score more and that fits in with the current team. We can find that without getting rid of a real contributor. No reason to over-correct and end up crashing and burning on the other side of the road next season.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    I don't get you guys, you all pined for Ben Gordon and you don't want Ellis, who is a vastly superior overall talent.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Monta ellis has an offensive mindset. Which means that he can be on fire in money time like Terry and barea.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I would take Ellis if it doesn't cost us a starter, but I don't think Ellis truly fits next to Rose. Ellis needs the ball in his hands a lot to score and it's not going to happen with Rose on the team. Terry and Barea work well for Dallas because their best player is a PF and isn't the one bringing the ball up and initiating the offense like the Bulls with Rose. We don't need a ball dominating SG like Ellis.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Ellis is also undersized. Our back court would be small. But what am I talking about... we started Keith Bogus the entire season.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    D-wade is 6-3 as Ellis. Remember how much we like the backcourt of Rose-Hinrich. Hinrich is 6-3 as Ellis but Ellis can score much more and can play PG well as hinrich.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Forget Hinrich...maybe a few fanatics liked Hinrich but most Bulls fans knew what he was...at best the 3rd guard or a player of the bench for a championship team.
    Wade is proven in accomplishments..you can't compare him to Ellis to Wade. But, I also feel that Ellis might be waiting to explode after going through his growing pains in the NBA. But, that's the catch...we are not sure. Is he going to towards D-Wade or is he going to be more Hinrich?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I always felt like it was really only just the KU Jayhawks fans that were Hinrich-crazy.

  • In reply to MySportsComplex:

    As a KU alumni, I can say with 100 percent certainty that Hinrich never made me crazy. I also dislike watching Paul Pierce--too sloth-like and unathletic to amaze. I even found myself swearing at Chalmers during the finals, because he came up big at times, and I obviously despise the Heat. My KU friends don't get it, but I love the Bulls a lot more than the Jayhawks.

  • In reply to MySportsComplex:

    If Houston wanted Asik + picks for Courtney Lee, then will ask for Noah + Taj for Kevin Martin. He is almost their franchise player; that's why there is not even a rumor about him.

  • In reply to MySportsComplex:

    Like Doug, I am happiest for Tyson chandler, he was the guy that I rooted for most on those Bulls team, I wish that we had never let him go, but then we might not have gotten Noah. I would love to have them both and Asik, you can never have enough 7 footers that can play, especially since Noah is only 6'10.5" and is injury prone.

    I don't necessarily like anyone else on the Mavs, but I don't hate anyone either. Although, if we had played them, I probably would not like Dirk or Terry too much.

    I will close as usual, Can't we just trade Boozer for Chandler.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    what would they do with boozer ? they already have one the best PF of the league.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    You can't really have Noah and Chandler and Asik ... you'd have two guys on the court at all times who can't score outside of 5 feet (and 5 feet is stretching it in the case of Asik).

    That said, I do like Chandler, he was the MVP of the 47 win Skiles team that came from nowhere. Good for him that he found the team that doesn't care what you're paid so long as you add something valuable to the roster.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Kevin Martin!

  • In reply to nolebron:

    I think Houston considers him a core player, but if available he goes near the top of my list.

    Boozer and Deng for Scola and Martin.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Wow that takes effort to come up with, a trade where you give out Boozer and still probably receive the worst two defenders in the deal!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Ellis is 6'3.25" in shoes and 177 pounds. Wade is 6'4.75" in shoes and 212 pounds. Bit of a difference.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Dirk only shot 41.6% in the finals ... but he won so nobody will call him a choker now. The victor writes history.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Right again, the Bulls always tried to get Jordan is rest at the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4rth. That way with the quarter break you get maybe 15-20 minutes of rest in only 4 minutes of game time. Thibs needs to figure this out with Rose as well as Deng. Basketball is not a marathon it is a sprint, and no one can sprint for 40-48 minutes straight.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Ding Dong the witch is dead...

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Doug, is it you talking on this record ??

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    TRUE STORY
    After the game, Haslem asked Lebron for change of a dollar to buy something from a vending machine.
    Lebron gives him 75 cents, and Haslem says " I gave you a dollar".
    Lebron replied "I don't have a 4th quarter".
    TRUE STORY

    LeCon

  • In reply to Edward:

    LOOOOOOOL. LMAO !!! that's funny !

  • In reply to Edward:

    I also heard that they're making a LBJ cell phone, but it only vibrates because he has no rings!

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    looooool.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    What about Jamal Crawford ??

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Crawford would be ok, but he is a free agent and will be looking for big money that the Bulls more than likely will not have with the CBA.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I am not sure about Jamal. You saw how the Bulls did to him what the Mavs did to LeBron. Plus, he is 31 years old. He is definitely not a starting guard next to Rose but would be great as the 3rd guard.
    But that said, he might be mentally tougher now after facing a failure. It all depends on GarPax's ability to evaluate mental toughness(which is very difficult). In the NBA, almost nobody has won without facing failure or if they have won early it is mostly because they have latched onto a group of experienced players. It is a fine line between experience and youth which only a smart GM can understand. Look at the Heat's bench...they are experienced but too old for 2011 in terms of being able to contribute which was not the case with some of the Mavs bench(even there Peja was a non factor while Beaubois/Brewer were inexperienced).

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I totally agree with you. But the thing is i don't think at all Iggy can solve our problems. Even if people don't want Ellis here but please not Iggy. This guy is a fake, a flop. He is firstly a defender. After this season, what we need the least is another guy who can only defends. Iggy doesn't have a reliable shoot and can't shoot 3's. His athlestism allows him to defend well and to finish strong at the hoop but that isn't what we need. We need a guy who can litteraly explode on scoring. (14 ppg for a guy who plays 35 min a game is poor).Iggy is disapointing, ask Sixers fans ! People thought he wasn't playing well because of Iverson but since Ivy left, Iggy has never reach his supposed level !!

    I mean we need a scorer, a selfish player. it doesn't matters whether he is a good defender or not. If you don't like Ellis then let's purchase Ben gordon, Mayo, Smith, Crawford ... but not Iggy !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    That's not true with Igoudala. If he can be got for cheap(expiring contracts+picks), we need to get him. He was made the #1 option with the 76ers but he should be ok to be a 2nd or 3rd option with the Bulls. It is all about match-ups and rhythm with these guys. He is a decent ball-handler with size and should be able to shoot short jumpers and finish at the rim(we saw the Bulls struggle with this). Philly's front court was not that great except for Brand during some stretches. With Igoudala and hopefully somebody else like a Smith, Richardson or Crawford for the MLE would be great.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Iggy isn't an ideal fit ... but unless you get a superstar nobody will be. What he gives you is disruption defense Ronnie Brewer style, which generates steals and fast break offense. He's also a good ball handler and secondary creator which we've lacked next to Rose (Noah taking on that role is great but ideally he'd be the third, not second, option at it).

    I think where the offense has broken down has largely been when the ball stops moving and it becomes Rose vs the world. Having another good passer will help keep everyone involved and playing team offense. I don't think we need another big time scorer, we need someone who will involve the players we already have and chip in for some points.

    I agree Iggy's lack of real trhee point range is the biggest worry about him. But if you're getting him for expirings and picks, it's a cheap enough deal that you make do with his limitations. There are a number of shooters the Bulls can look to acquire to fill in the gap that trading Korver leaves too.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    you are right. But imo bulls need a big time scorer, someone who is enough tough mentally to help Rose in the 4th quarter of the playoffs. do u feel me ? just like Jason Terry. that's why i think ellis is a good target. Apparently, to your mind we need a passer but ellis can pass.

    Look which i really like with Ellis is the fact he isn't only a shooter, he can pass the ball, he can play PG and is very good ball handler. Moreover he can defend, and yes i really believe he is good defender : He is athletic enough to play D if Thibs urges him.

    The only issue with him is his size but it's way it is, you can't be perfect.

    imo Bulls should trade Noah for Ellis instead of Deng. If Noah leaves, we'll already have someone to replace him , look at this starting lineup :

    Rose-Ellis-Deng-Boozer-Asik. Yes this lineup is better than the current one. After we could strenghten the bench thanks to the draft.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I think Ellis and Iggy have similar issues offensively in terms of fit: neither are great three point shooters, and both do their best work when they have the ball (although Iggy is a little more pass happy and Ellis a little more shot happy).

    But defensively it's no contest, Iggy has the size and strength to guard guys that Ellis has no hope on. The fact you can put Iggy on Wade and not have a mismatch if the Heat force the switch on LeBron is huge. Against the Heat having a small 2 guard is a huge liability.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    And the fact you have Monta ellis scoring when Rose is doubled by Lebron and Haslem is huge ! With Thibs there will be no longer defensive issues no matters the roster, what we need is guys who can score. 25ppg (Ellis) is much better than 14 ppg(Iggy) since Defense isn't a problem anymore. I'm confident chicago will always be among the best nba defenses because Thibs is a genuis !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    If defense isn't a problem because of the coach why didn't we just play Korver 30+ minutes a game? Players matter, and if you lack size you lack size no matter how much effort you put in.

    We saw it a bit for the brief periods when we tried to play Korver by having Rose guard Wade ... when LeBron switched onto Rose he was able to just shoot over him like he wasn't there because no matter how much Rose tries he just doesn't have the size to bother LeBron.

    IMO it's pretty much mandatory for any SG we plan to play big minutes to have legit NBA size, because otherwise they can't see the court much against Miami.

    As far as scoring goes, there's no way Ellis averages 25 a game on the Bulls. PPG is very much about the system and a player's role, Ellis' role would be much reduced on the Bulls where as Iggy would play basically the same role as he's been playing on the 76ers the last year. I think Ellis still ends up scoring more than Iggy would, but it wouldn't be a night and day difference.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Yes i want this guy in the building :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rBRDWLD11c

  • In reply to deewaves:

    He's good but not worth giving up any core players.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    you take me as a person who doesn't care about D. But you're wrong. I have confidence in Thibs. With Thibs Chicago will always be among the elite defense no matters the roster. Moreover Ellis is enough athletic te become a good defender if Thibs urge him !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I have had enough of this nonsense.

    You obviously don't care enough about Defense if you keep parading around the notion that Monta Ellis... OF THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS, can somehow step in and in the 7th year of his career start playing any semblance of team defense whatsoever.

    He has never been and will never be, a good... hell, even mediocre defensive player. He will however be yet another defensive liability that the Bulls would have to hide against strong opponents. But how exactly do you fathom hiding him when you ship off Deng? or Noah? Yes Thibs is a defensive mastermind, but the real reason his defensive schemes worked so well this season is because he has athletic, versatile defenders who can cover multiple positions. Deng on SGs and SFs, Noah on every position outside of PG. With Ellis you better pray to god you are facing a team with either a slow or tiny backcourt otherwise you will get eaten alive. And considering out prime opponent for the next 4-5 years consists of James and Wade, I don't see that idea panning out.

    That being said, I would not mind Ellis if we were able to acquire him for expirings and picks. Because in all honesty he just isn't worth anything more than that. In Chicago he is a inconsistent 18-20ppg player that is not a 3pt threat, shoots FTs at a low percentage and a defensive black hole. But, get him without giving anyone up and he could be a solid 6th man to lead the offense while Rose if off the floor or against teams with weak backcourts.

  • In reply to untitledreality:

    Magnificent post, Untitledreality. Love your points!
    I don't have to tell you, but for those who don't yet know it, deewaves is a headcase!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    He's a chucker who has had one good season (year before this one) in his entire time in the NBA. Early in the season I thought he was a realistic target, but given he's reverted back to his usual ways this year, no thanks.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Dallas saves the NBA...for now. Great to see a well-coached group of team-oriented players win it. Was hoping it would be our Bulls, but Dallas winning-- and Miami losing is the next best thing.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Agreed the Bulls have had a awesome season and hopefully will be able to attrack role players, or even star players hopefully to come to the team like the Celtics, Heat, Lakers, Dallas have since we are a few players short of winning a championship!
    We need a volume scorer like Ben Gordon or Ellis or Iggy that can take the pressure off of Rose, Deng, Boozer.

    I'm so happy the Mavs beat the Heat and Dirk got his ring along with Terry and Kid and Cuban! :-)

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    As Wilbon or Magic said, Dallas playing zone on and off screwed the Heat's rhythm and other teams will be learning this for next season.

    Plus, the experience and mental resolve of the veteran team showed in making jumpers.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Forget Iguodala....this teams needs SCORING and Iggy is NOT a great offensive player. Iggy can't shoot! Get me Ben Gordon for pennies on the dollar, rules permitting.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Ben Gordon is not giving up one red cent to play for anybody nevermind the Bulls.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Iggy: The 76ers making the playoffs probably killed any chance of getting him in a pure salary dump. It's a shame, because I do agree having him and Brewer out there together would be awesome to see.

    Spolstra: I don't think any coach could get LeBron & Wade to not play ISO ball. He does have some good plays drawn up coming out of time outs at times, so I don't think he's an idiot, I just think he's got a situation where a coach doesn't have authority to make his players listen to him.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I think if any coach could get them to play a team offense and not ISO, it would be Phil Jackson or Coach K. Probably about the only two coaches that LeQueen would respect enough to change for. Spoelstra's lack of experience just doesn't command their respect.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    LOL and you mention it later in the cast.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Never been happier for another team to win a championship.
    Congratulations Dallas ... you've restored order to the basketball universe.

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