Bulls Beat #193 - Bring in some salary

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Bulls Beat #193 - Bring in some salary

 

I discuss the primary ways the Bulls can beat the Heat by adding salary to this team with their expiring contracts and draft picks as trade bait.

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  • While I've never been a huge fan, thinking he's a touch overrated (as in not a "star"), my favorite suggestion is Iguodala, as that deal results in the best possible team. I have reservations that management could (and maybe should) consider it unrealistic to take on that much salary without moving some (such as Boozer in a separate move), however. No he doesn't have the outside touch, but Iggy can score, get to the line, handle a bit and not cost you a thing on defense. Iggy for endings and picks results in a Bulls team that can take the Heat. Again, I have some doubts that that scenario is actual realistic from Philly's side or even Bulls FO perspective.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    Philly has hinted several times they wanted to dump Iggy for salary relief. I'd think you could get him for 3 1sts and ending deals, but maybe not.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    I get that we need to build to beat the Heat, but there has been a rumor floating around with Monta Ellis. If we traded Deng and Bogans for Ellis and Wright, I think that would make us better. Ellis would give us another dynamic ball handling guard to pair with Rose, and Wright is a lights out shooter. I know you'll say our defense will suffer, and to a certain extent that's true. But we were a great TEAM defensively, and Ellis is a much more dangerous player than Gordon is. I feel like a lineup of Rose, Ellis, Wright, Boozer and Noah gives us a really difficult lineup to guard. And Miami would have a very hard time guarding us. Rose and Ellis can handle/pass/score, Wright can slash and shoot and do a lot of other things well, and we know what Boozer and Noah do. I think that team makes us really tough to beat, even for the Heat.

  • In reply to RC360:

    Montae Ellis can score but would be a defensive liability and the backcourt would be very small starting Rose with Ellis. Don't know about Wright but a lineup with Ellis and Boozer would be asking for trouble defensively.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I think that Ellis is long and athletic enough to stay in front of people, although wer know he's undersized. We were fine defensively. Offensively we were pretty damn bad, and we need somebody who can take pressure off Rose. Ellis could start, bring in Brewer, rest Rose, bring in Ellis I think this gives us much more versatility. And again, defense is effort and you can't teach what Ellis can do offensively. While we may have a few more defensive lapses, we have a more potent offense, which is exactly what we need...

  • In reply to RC360:

    Doug, I heard you mention Andrei Bargnani of the Raptors. Have you seen this kid Jon Leuer of Wisconsin? He's in this years draft and projected by scouts as a 2nd rd pick. I would definitely trade down to get him.

    http://youtu.be/aROdr-IDE7g

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    While I like Bargnani, he doesn't fill a role/need, and is too good to come off the bench. As far as Leuer, he's crazy soft. You see him in the tournament? He's not someone who would have minutes on this team...

  • In reply to RC360:

    Barngani definitely fits a role/need.

    Stretch four.

    With a super athletic PG, a stretch four would be extraordinarily valuable for our offense.

    The problem of course is that you'd need to dump Boozer somehow.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    That's what I mean Doug, with Boozer he's not really fitting a role... He's also not physical, not a particularly good rebounder, and doesn't play defense... For that put together a package for Gordon and Villanueva...

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    LOL at the brief mention of Bargnani, I wouldn't want him on the team for free, forget his contract. Obviously a different style of player, but he's Eddy Curry without the efficient scoring. You can't win jack with a center who doesn't defend or rebound.

    Obviously if you can get Iggy for just picks and expirings you have to do it, not sure if that's a deal that the 76ers would do, maybe if Turner had looked better this year. I certainly agree Korver should be the one being traded rather than Brewer if we have the choice.

    Of the other choices, not really keen on Mayo, he's shown he can be a volume-ish scorer on pretty mediocre to bad efficiency, that's not really something that fits with what the Bulls need from their SG. He's not really a ball handler who would take the pressure off Rose either, they tried to turn him into a combo guard and gave up on it. I just feel like a lot of the interest is because he's OJ Mayo, third pick in the draft, not OJ Mayo, NBA player.

    Courtney Lee seems like a bit of a filler move, is he really that much of an upgrade over Bogans that it ends up being worthwhile? Or would it be better to just keep Bogans and use the picks to draft someone in the hope they offer more improvement down the track?

    Free agency doesn't seem like a great bunch of prospects, Richardson was the guy I thought might come chase a ring when he was on the Suns but now the Magic surely have to keep him if they want any shot at keeping Howard, so he's out. JR Smith is a good fit and it's his flaws that make him available at a MLE type deal. Maybe you have to roll the dice there since there aren't a lot of other choices.

    One move you didn't mention is even if we don't get Howard we can profit on the side, JJ Redick would likely become available for an expiring if they're rebuilding. He may have some of the same issues as Korver if we're playing the Heat (and he shot 3-15 against them this year so that's no promising), but on the other hand if we've sent Korver away in some earlier deal it's one way to get a shooter back on the team.

    Marco Belinelli is a similar situation, he's restricted so probably can't go and sign him, NO will want to bring him back to try to keep Paul happy. But down the track if Chris Paul forces his way out then he's a guy NO might turn around and look to dump.

    So even if trading Korver leaves the Bulls short a shooter I think there's a couple of later moves that could be made to get one back in (probably more at the trade deadline than draft day).

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Was Korver popular in Philadelphia?

    Does including him with expiring make a deal for Iggy more palatable?

  • In reply to Waldock:

    I think he was popular with casual female fans ... :)

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    That's where the Charlotte pick comes into play...Do you think we could dump Boozer with the Charlotte pick, I mean I know it doesn't fully unprotect until 2016, but Charlotte will still be bad by then right (assuming they still exist of course)?

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    I think Offhand would be a good addition because he canget to the basket and is a slasher. No he's not a good jump shooter and that's where a player like a J.R. Smith or even Jamal Crawford would come into the picture because we all know that the Bulls need better perimeter scorers with a little more size to them. If one of these guys would sign with the Bulls for the right price, it would give the Bulls a player that can create his own shot in Iguodala and a perimeter threat in Crawford or Smith who by the way can get to the rim as well.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Please excuse mobile phone typo, I meant to say Iguodala would be an nice addition.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Don't know if anybody noticed that I have been gone for a while, or maybe your glad that I have been.

    Not sure why I feel like sharing this here, I guess that it is part of the grieving process. My younger brother died unexpectedly over a week ago. He and I shared a life long love of Chicago Sports, Bulls, Bears, Cubs, Hawks, sorry south siders no Sox(although he broke down and rooted for them in the World Series).

    Chicago Sports was one of our stronger bonds, along with a love of wine as adults.

    He was my Chicago sports blog before sports blogs existed. He even has his own by mail service for a Bears fan club that he organized in San Diego in the 80's and early 90's.

    One of the few things that I brought home with me and will now become one of my most treasured possessions is a Bulls courtside folding chair from the old Chicago Stadium, certainly not a chair that we ever got to sit in as kids growing up.

    Paul you were loved and will be missed more than you ever knew.

    Well, thanks for listening.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    My condolences to you and your family. I know what you're going through cause I lost a cousin who was like a big brother to me last summer and although I'm doing better the effects of not having him here anymore is still very strong, so once again, my condolences.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Sorry to hear that.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    It is always tough to lose somebody so close.....Sorry to hear about your brother.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Very sorry to hear that Bigway. Really puts things in perspective. But at the same time, sports can be a good distraction. Wish the Bulls were still playing if it could only make it a little easier for you.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    My condolences, Bigway.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Thank you all for responding

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Iggy wouldn't bring much to the Bulls in the way of outside shooting but he'd attack the basket and draw fouls in a way that Bogans and Brewer never could. There aren't many players who can stop him from getting into the paint when he makes up his mind to go.

    He's a better defender than any of our 2's, he can guard 2's and 3's so he could give Deng a rest, and while he'd never be mistaken for a PG, he's a very solid passer for a wing and can find open players when defenses collapse on his penetration.

    He brings everything to the table we need at the 2 with the exception of the jump shot. If the Bulls could find a way to get him without giving up Deng, Noah, or Taj (I'd be hesitant about Asik but he wouldn't be a deal breaker if Philly insisted), I'd get him.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I know getting Dwight Howard at this point is very far fetched, but by the way the Heat are playing right now, I can not forsee how the Bulls can beat them in a seven game series. I may be wrong, and they are a single piece away, but the Heat have literally 3 guys who can take over quarters, halves and games. THat is hard to compete against. The argument against the Heat was they may need time to gel, but they're very close to winning it all in year one. If the CBA stays similiar to today's rules they may add a substantial piece with the mid-level excetion. Imagine if they added Tyson Chandler this summer, or a legitinate point guard. They would be even better. I may be wrong but the Bulls may need to hit a home run to get pass the Miami Heat. I feel that if the Knicks can add a Coach with a well rounded system (eg. Rick Adelman) and another substantial piece they may even be a hurdle for the Bulls. I think its crucial to have players that can create their own shot in the playoffs to throw defenses off balance. Ive heard the Bulls are entertaining the idea of trading CBooz and the Lakers, and Trailblazers are a couple of teams mentioned. Has anyone heard any specifics? PLease let me know

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I think that the bulls front office have to think of a way to dump boozer contract. My idea is to trade boozer and all our picks including charlotte pick and find any expiring contract. I don't care for next season result. We must go for howard. We need howard badly to match up against miami. Trust me. Howard will leave orlando. Because what kind of foundation can magic build with arena and turkoglu big bulk contract around their neck ???

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Before this years playoffs I would have said that Iggy would be a great addition to the Bulls going up against the Heat because he is real athletic, but he scored really poorly against the Heat in round one. His all around play is good, but the Bulls need someone who can generate at least 20ppg in a series against the Heat. Players that would come in would need to take the pressure off DRose. Sorry, but if I am the Heat Im still doubling Rose with Iggy on the floor. In isolation I am giving Iggy the shot and daring him to shoot, and you know sometimes he is taking ill advised shots. I think you are better off signing JRich to less money because of the attention he will garner out on the floor by stretching it. Iggy has the potential of being one of the best defenders in the game, but we have a system that defends at a high level, now we need our offense to improve dramatically. Dwight Howard may be the only answer. The way he would dominate his position and improve our defense even more may be the missing link. Chris Bosh is not scoring 20 in that series, let alone 30. Trust me Im from Toronto and I remeber Dwight dominating CBOSH in a playoff series. Maybe all the Bulls need is for this group to grow together and develop. Remember CBOOZ and Noah did not play together that often this year, so experience is key. DRose will be a year older and hungrier. The Bulls may just need a small but significant move to get over the hump. And sorry but Jerry is not bringing back BG after he turned down multiple contracts by the organization. Didnt BG try to accept the Bulls last offer and it was pulled off the table and never returned? That ship has sailed.

  • In reply to argie2333:

    Obviously we would all want Dwight here, but that probably isn't going to happen (although we can all dream). Iggy, if attainable, would be a great fit on this team for all the reasons Doug mentioned in the podcast plus the fact that Iggy can slide over to the three and give Deng a break and we lose nothing offensively. I also think BG can have a similar effect. Deng carries the scoring burden for the 2nd unit, well if BG can be that guy, then Deng doesn't have to anchor the 2nd unit and you can put in Brewer instead of Deng at the 3 to give him a blow. Plus the longer the Bench mob can keep/extend a lead, the longer Derrick can get a break. Ideally Rose is his best when he's at 38MPG, you can really see a drop off after that point. That's why I think BG or Iggy are great options.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Good analysis as usual.

    Obviously, not on board with Gordon, even as a 6th man, you could never have him on the court at the same time as Boozer, and like Korver he is massively streaky as a shooter/scorer, even if you consider him to be more of a scorer than Korver.

    I have been a Iggy guy for a long time except that his contract is worse than Dengs, but I would have traded Deng for Iggy without a ton of thought.

    The only problem that I have with Iggy is that he like Deng is not really a 2 guard, and is a better small forward than he is a 2 guard. So how do he and Deng fit together. Iggy is a much better athlete and much more of a physical presence. He is definately someone that can guard Lebron. Other than financial considerations, he would likely be my first choice among guys that might be available.

    However, I am more worried than you are about not being able to retain Rose due to new cap rules. In fact, we are already in jeopardy with Deng, Noah and Boozers contract. I do think that there will be some kind of relief valve like cutting a guy(Boozer) without take the cap hit(but still paying him his money).

    I would clearly trade Boozer for Iggy in a hearbeat even if it doesn't happen by trading Boozer directly to Philly. I am perfectly comfortable with a bigman rotation of Noah, Asik and Taj.

    After seeing Mayo in the playoffs, I really don't like the way he looks, his body is trending heavy, especially for a 2 guard. I think that I would prefer Afflalo over Mayo at this point even though their availability situations are different.

    I generally agree with you that our last best chance to make a significant upgrade is at the draft or before the end of the existing CBA. This month is the time to act, and could be the month that locks in our future for the next 3,4,5 years.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Team owners aren't going to bring in a system where a guy like Rose is the odd man out and can't be retained due to salary concerns. If anything they want stronger rights to retain their stars, outside of a few markets like LA who like the fact they always have a shot to poach other team's players.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Sorry to hear about your brother Bigway...

  • In reply to RC360:

    I think that we're likely far worse after that trade.

    Ellis isn't a more dangerous scorer than Gordon when Gordon was here. He has similar scoring volume on worse efficiency.

    Granted, Gordon has been very bad the pat two years, but Ellis is in a system designed for him to dominate hte ball and jack up shots.

    I think he's very overrated, and to get him, you're giving up a really good player, and one of the key guys to defend the Heat.

    If you can get Ellis for expirings, then fine, his talent is an upgrade, but you trade luol deng and you might just be far worse, and you certainly aren't notably better.

  • I don't believe its absolutely necessary to make a deal on or before the draft. They can wait for Howard, make a deal after, or make minimal changes because they will be a better team no matter what. The key is to not panic, and to avoid making a poor trade like Orlando did. A team with Iggy, or one with Gordon, is still a flawed team.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Your draft picks are worth less as soon as the draft passes though, so it might be more difficult to make many other moves once the draft is over.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I don't think we should give up the Charlotte pick in a deal for Iggy because I think we can package it with boozer to get some expirings and given where we're going to be drafting over the next 5 years, I think expiring deals have more value to us than picks. If Philly is serious about getting rid of Iggy, then they'll take our #1 and Miami's #1 this year plus the non-guaranteed deals we have, some filler and $3M.

  • In reply to nolebron:

    If the deal breaker on Iggy is the Charlotte pick, then bye bye Charlotte pick. If we can get it done without it, then obviously we should.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    thats true, but they still have next years, the charlotte, & any foreign player with value they can dangle, in addition to what they have on the roster, not worried about waiting it out

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