Sadly the Heat are too big, too strong, too fast, too good

This was an overtime game, and as such, a million things could have happened that didn't that would have swung the game, starting with Derrick Rose's missed free throw at the end which would have been the difference had the rest of the game played out similarly.

We could also look at Rose's consecutive missed fade away jumpers down the stretch, either of which would have won the game.   The Miami Heat's insane free throw shooting down the stretch knocking down their last 18 FTs in regulation, Kyle Korver's continued massive shooting slump, or any one of a million little things that could have moved the game by a point.

It's all irrelevant

Watching the game, I never felt like Chicago deserved to be as close as they were.   They were lucky to even have a shot.   Miami was able to get good looks too easily when they needed to.   The Bulls, like the whole series, can't contend with LeBron and Wade's athleticism, and Chris Bosh is a hell of a lot better than most of the world seems to remember.

I felt the Bulls would lose this series in six before it started, and the Bulls will be lucky to push it to six games now.   They gave it a great shot, they fought hard, they played grimey, but they didn't play well enough.

Derrick Rose may be the MVP, but LeBron is still the best player in the league

I never thought anything otherwise, and this series has proven it.   In each of the losses Rose has come up small at the end of games.   It's not all his fault.   Carlos Boozer is no Chris Bosh and doesn't complement the pick and roll nearly so well.   Kyle Korver can't space the floor anymore because he inexplicably can't hit a jumper.  

Defenses build a wall of guys around Rose because, for the most part, they still don't need to deal with anyone else.    All that said, Derrick Rose has still been bad down the stretch.   When the Bulls were fighting for their last breath he threw the ball away.   Down the stretch he had two step back jumpers that could have won the game and missed both, he missed a key FT that could have won the game as well.  

In the end, the Bulls lack of success starts with Derrick Rose's lack of success.   He's really in a nearly impossible position without more offensive talent around him, but his amazing performance this season allowed us to dream the impossible anyway, to think Derrick Rose could pull off the impossible.

Against almost any team in the league, he probably could.  

Hell of an effort by Joakim Noah

His box score doesn't look that impressive.  3/10 for 6 points and 14 rebounds with 6 assists, 2 steals, and a block.   However, almost everything good that was working for Chicago started with Joakim Noah.  He played tremendous defense the entire night, he started the break numerous times, he got the Bulls easy points even if he didn't score much.

Joakim played a hell of a game, and it was one of the few things that went well for Chicago.

Carlos Boozer's defense could be hidden against most teams, but not this one

Almost everything the Heat did well on offense was directed at getting Boozer involved as the secondary defender on a play and then beating him.   I can't blame Boozer much.  It'd be easy to hate on him, but really, what is Boozer going to do to try and defend LeBron coming off a pick and roll?

He doesn't have the physical tools to have any hope of success in that situation, but Miami was able to milk that weakness over and over again. 

To his credit, Boozer played great on offense converting most of the easy looks he got, getting to the foul line some, and generally playing very well as a secondary threat.  

Bulls can't win shooting threes this badly

25% isn't going to get it done, and Derrick Rose's 1-9 is the biggest contributor there.   If Derrick Rose needs some pain and hurt to improve this off-season, then the pain of missing a crapload of threes in the playoffs, all playoffs long, and losing a bunch of games because of it ought to lead to some nice shooting next year.

Derrick improved his three point shooting tremendously this season, but it's completely disappeared in the playoffs.

Kyle Korver can't buy a three all of a sudden, the Bulls keep finding him for open looks, and he keeps bricking them.    This has been a massive negative factor for the Bulls in the series as the Heat aren't paying as much attention to him on offense and simply abusing him on defense.

The Bulls could have swung a couple of games if Korver had simply knocked down his open shots.

Why the hell do we keep slowing it down when all our positives have come from speeding things up?

Big play?   Walk the ball up the court slowly, piss away 10 seconds of the 24 second clock, and then settle for a fade away contested jumper.

Over and over again.

The Bulls played well by pushing the pace faster and at the very least getting into the offense earlier even when it wasn't a transition play, but for whatever reason, they just didn't seem to want to stick with that when they instead had the option of slowing things down to snail speed and settling for one shot at a Rose pick and roll that leaves you with a terrible shot if it fails, because there's no time to try anything else..

WTF happened to Taj Gibson?

Well we sure as heck found out that Gibson/Boozer's not a great pairing on the court that's for sure.   The Heat just steamrolled the Bulls when that lineup was out there.   Gibson was 0-1 with 1 board in 10 minutes and had a -21 over that stretch.

Omer Asik's inability to play (meaningfully anyway) really hurt the Bulls, as you could tell they'd have brought him in during the 2nd have stretch that led to Gibson/Boozer and the absolute destruction of the Bulls defense during a stretch which really decided the game by erasing the Bulls lead.

It's crazy to say after this season, but in this series, the Bulls need more Bogans

Korver's not hitting his shots anyway, and Bogans has really played tremendous defense while giving the Bulls some shooting. 

Final thoughts

Do the Bulls have anything left?   Can they get a win in game 5 back at the United Center to force a game 6 or will they fold up shop and go away quietly?   I think the Bulls come out and play hard, I think they might steal game five, but I can't see them coming back and winning.

As we thought at the very beginning of the season, the Bulls simply don't have enough on offense.   Their defense has by and large played well, but the offense just isn't able to do enough.   Derrick Rose has inspired us to believe in him, but he just doesn't have enough around him and isn't able to do it all on his own.

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  • Doug, lets be HONEST. Miami has 3 stars, which Bosh has certainly played like. We have too many role players and not enough help for Rose. I'm telling you the ONLY way to match this team is to OPEN the VAULT for Dwight Howard. If it takes Noah, Deng, Gibson, Asik and picks, so be it. Find a way to pair Rose with Howard. Do you agree!?

  • In reply to sukid09:

    That's crap. If Rose plays just a little better they win tonight. If he doesn't split FT's on the second to last possession they win the game. Rose needs to play marginally better, and that's all that needs to happen.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    What games are u watchin. The Bulls have no one that will attack the basket, create their own shot, hit wide open jumpers, matter of a fact that don't even have set plays to call when u need a basket. They are a good defense but have no offensive players besides Rose. Deng is in and out so when he does score 20 u wonder how he got that many. The main problem is Thib's continues to deregard using his bench to find a player that will give them a spark. They have 5 player that have not played 1 minute in this whole serious except for maybe game 1 after the Bulls blow them out that is the difference. I said it before I say it again. The coach that is willing to filter players in and out of his bench will win the game.

  • In reply to jclass:

    Take another look at the box score. The only guy who had a really bad game was Rose. Both Boozer and Deng hit open shots and tough shots. The two combined to go 15-30 for 40 points. Miami's big 3 only scored 8 more points than Rose/Deng/Boozer. And if Rose hits another FT or can get a foul on the last possession, they win. Try again.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Unfortunately, we ran into Miami at the only point in the season when both Haslem and Miller were healthy enough to play and contribute. Dallas may have a better shot than we do, but Miami is close to unbeatable when those guys are playing well.

  • In reply to jclass:

    38FTA compared to the Bulls 22FTA - Can you say RIGGED!?

    At the rate these refs are going, basketball is gonna be so horrible in a few years. You can't even look at a guy without being called for a foul. There were so many over the back fouls MIA should've been called for all series. And don't let me get started on LeBrons travels every other play.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    The fix is in

    NBA knows everyone in country is going to tune in to see the Heat lose. The Bulls don't generate that national interest, plus they know we're so loyal they'll never lose us

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Rigged?

    Please. This series is rating through the roof, the refs called a dicey offensive foul on LeBron on his chance to win the game.

    There's no way the NBA wants this series over in 5, they want it to go 7 and rate through the roof.

    Also, going through all the fouls, the Heat generally deserved more FTs. We fouled the hell out of them when they attacked the basket while we settled for a lot of jumpers.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Don't forget the extremely generous continuation call that Rose got in the first half on that break away dunk. I hate to admit it but the calls went both ways last night.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    I know the series is somewhat over but if the Bulls can manage to steal game 5 at the UC and put the pressure on Miami to win game 6, anything can happen.I'm trying to give the Bulls some hope and the only hope that they truly have is a game 5 win.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    You gotta believe! I'm right there with you!

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Honestly, it's over. If the Bulls have to win the series...it has to be an injury or a suspension on the Heat. The Bulls might win Game 5 and keep Game 6 close. But, they just don't have any offense to keep it going. I felt they were done once OT started. Hopefully, GarPax and Reinsdorf know about winning championships and will not make mistakes like what LeBron's Cleveland or 90s Jazz/Knicks did. Coming up short against that one superior team again and again.
    The thing is they need somebody like Noah with a jumpshot at any position(energy, ball handling, size, desperate to win). And, BTW it is not easy to find a Pippen to Rose's Jordan.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Unfortunately, you're right but at this point I just don't want to see the season end especially on our home floor in front of our home fans.

    We've got to have some role players step up at home and provide a boost. Taj Gibson and Kyle Korver were ghosts out there tonight.

    The only time I remember seeing him was when he once again went for another Chris Bosh pump fake and gave up a jumper.

    I understand Korver is having some difficulty finding open shots against the speed of Miami's offense, but when he is getting open shots he's clanking them.

    At the end of the day, everyone in the Bulls locker room has to believe. I doubt anyone believes they still have a chance in this series, but sometimes all it takes is one win to get the momentum back on your side.

    Hopefully, we can start feeling some good vibes in Game 5 back at the UC. Should be fun! GO BULLS!

  • In reply to Reese1:

    DWIGHT HOWARD PEOPLE. Pat Riley thinks big and look at them now. The Lakers and Celtics think big and look how good they have been. The NBA is about thinking big and getting stars. We have the assets to give Rose a dominant running mate in Howard, please for the love of god sack up and offer the house for Howard because it's the ONLY way we will beat Miami moving forward.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Are you the bigger version of MrHappy?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    No, I'm one of the FEW Chicago Bulls fans that understands what WINS in this league. STARS WIN. Dwight Howard, like Derrick and LeBron and Wade, is a top 6 NBA player. You don't hold onto role players like Deng, Noah, Gibson or Asik IF you have a chance to get Howard. WAKE UP

  • In reply to sukid09:

    It is not some rocket science about STARS being needed. Everybody knows that. It is what Shakes tells below...Howard has to tell that he wants to go to Chicago like Melo wanted NY. Howard has publicly said he wants to win in Orlando or has indicated he likes warm weather. We just don't know what to expect and need for things to happen in the new CBA to see if Howard can come to Chicago. It is premature to keep talking about trading everyone and getting Howard.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    I didn't even notice Sosa. He must have blended right in to the White Hot Heat crowd

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Howard has got to want to come here to force Orlando's hand. Its really not in the Bulls control.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The Bulls made 2 crucial mistakes this off season. 1 they didn't go after David Lee: somebody that can run up and down the floor, has an interior and exterior game and plays alot better defensive than Boozer and could help Noah's game. 2 they should have got Tracy McGrady when he came crawling to them but we were Bull headed because he turned us down when he was still a star and then he turned out to have a decent season. Could have been a spark off the bench, another ball handler, 3 point shooter, experience in the playoffs and demands the defensive to recognize him when he is on the floor. The Bulls have basically out played Miami in every game but can't put the ball in the basket. We have no pure jumpshooters (besides Korver who cant create his own shot and we dont penetrate enough to kick it out to him to get an open look)or people that will attack the basket to get to the free throw line. Defense wins championships but u must also possess some offense. When your shot is don't falling u attack the basket, the refs don't blow the whistle u attack and try to dunk make them make a call. Who on the Bulls will do that? Exactly! Nobody! We had a great season but the Bulls never addressed their needs bring in someone else that can shot. We go and sign Butler, Pargo, Lucas, Scalibrine, and Kurt Thomas. How many minutes have they played. Thibs should have brought in Butler many times when struggling on offense and Thomas also especially after Asik got hurt and Gibson wasn't performing. Bad Coaching if u ask me.

  • In reply to jclass:

    David Lee doesn't play defense any better than Boozer (if anything he's even more of a rebound padder). And TMac defending LeBron and Wade, would have been awesome to see ... if you're a Heat fan.

  • In reply to jclass:

    Tracy McGrady?

    As much as losing to the Heat sucks, one bright spot is that you are not invovled in Bulls management.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    im still holding out hope they can win game 5 but man my heart is broken tonight

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Obviously, there's always a chance, we've heard the script before.

    Win game 5, that's a home game, we can take that one.

    Find a way to win game 6, it will be difficult, but the pressure will be on Miami, everyone's already counted you out, and Miami will be scared to play a game 7.

    You get to game 7, you're back on your home floor with home court. You'll always have a good shot there.

    When you say it like that, it doesn't sound so unreasonable, but few teams have ever pulled it off.

    It would make for the most epic playoffs ever in my mind.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    That would be beyond epic...

    No team has come back from a 3-1 deficit in the ECF since 1981 (Boston), and it's been 5 years since a team has come back from that deficit in any round of the playoffs.

    After game 3, I've already come to terms with the fact this season will end in the ECF. I hope the Bulls can at least give us one more good win at home before it's all said and done.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    This video really tells you all you need to know about LeDouche:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXQCT47EAc

  • In reply to sukid09:

    I feel crazy saying this, bulls need more brewer and bogans. The offense doesn't look great, but it's better than anything korver is giving us.

    Sounds crazy, but, korver, bogans, 2 firsts for gordon this off season. Then, pray the pistons let bogans go.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    No way. Gordon's not tall enough, and his contract is huge. Plus he's extremely streaky and hasn't played very well for Detroit (although that's not his fault, I just think he's in the wrong system).

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    I'm not sure if I can accurately describe how misguided that trade suggestion is. So in the interest of not flaming anybody I'll just say that Detroit would give BG to the bulls for the bulls 2018 second round pick. And they might even throw in a second rounder of their own. And the bulls would turn that offer down.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Bulls did everything right, they shut down the paint, they got fast break points, they still lost. Maybe they can stretch the series but to no more than 6 games at this point. Which to be honest is all I expected after game 2. Hell of an effort but with Haslem back even in limited minutes Miami are too good.

    Well at least with the falloff of Boston and Orlando the Bulls know this is the match up to plan the team around for the next few years. That has to mean Korver is done, he's no more than an expiring contract to the team now, if you can't do a passable job defending Wade and LeBron you can't play on the wings for this team.

    The Bulls have CJ, Korver, Bogans, Pargo & Lucas to make up 10 million in salary and some draft picks to work out a deal. Lets hope the owners don't get their big cost reductions in the CBA and there's still teams looking to dump players to save costs.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Korver is valuable against the slower teams and against bad defensive teams and in back-to-back games. Thibs needs to just ice him against Miami.

    I blame it mostly on Thibs because of unable to make any offensive adjustments on the fly. He should have realized after the 3rd game that Rose was getting blanketed by LeBron in the 4th quarter. Same old story...why do I feel this is a repeat of the Utah Jazz and NY Knicks of the 90s.....the Bulls are in ECF playoff hell.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    The problem is right now it feels like the Bulls can beat the other teams in the East going forward without Korver, so they may as well use him as salary filler in bringing in a player who would be useful against the Heat.

    Matching up with the Heat is all that matters now. I mean does anyone really see any team other than the Heat making the conference finals going forward? Boston are old and done, Orlando don't have enough around Howard, and the rest of the teams just aren't very good. Maybe New York if the league really is rigged by the players and Chris Paul has a wink wink deal to force his way there to join Melo.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I agree, matching up with Miami is all that matters.

    I can't see how Chris Paul gets to NY, they have no trade chips left and will have no cap room either.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    It's unlikely but Miami didn't have enough cap room for LeBron/Wade/Bosh as well as signing Haslem and Miller either. If the players want to cut a deal to make it happen then who knows.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Wade, Bosh, and LeBron barely cut any money.

    They got Miller/Haslem through tricks used afterwards.

    It's a very different scenario for CP3, because Amare and Melo are already signed to their deals and their cap numbers are set. It's not like Miami where all three could cut a million.

    Amare and Melo will be on the books for 40.3 million in 2012. They can't change that. Even if the cap stays the same, and New York ONLY used vet minimums the rest of the way and if the cap doesn't go down at all and sticks at 58 million, Chris Paul would need to take around a 20 million dollar pay cut.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I don't want admit but this season is essentially DONE...
    The bulls executive got to prepare for next season...

    My idea is:
    - Trade noah ($10.000.000), korver ($5.000.000) and any 2 draft pick for billups ($14.200.000)...

    bulls:
    - rose can learn from the veteran billups...
    - asik has proved his worth and can move to take noah...
    - find any back up center again in the free market...
    - even if the bulls fail again next season with this trade... don't worry because after billups contract is finish, then make a move for "D.Howard"... and voila we got our BIG THREE... the heat can pick their on poison.... kill by boozer's rainbow jumper or howard's thunderous dunk or rose's acrobatic layup..... no more double team or triple team or quadruple team on rose....

    knicks:
    they got a good center who can rebound, make pass and good defender in noah...

  • In reply to CoolWind:

    Good grief, Charlie Browns, people be getting desperate! Billups! Ben Gordon! The Bulls lost another game against the Heat because LeBron James played a far superior game than Derrick Rose, and Spolestro outcoached Thibs once again. Two many mistakes by our two Bulls leaders are why this game was lost . . .

  • In reply to ethanboldt:

    i said trade noah for billups to clear salary cap to make a move for howard...

  • In reply to ethanboldt:

    Boozer is hurt and Noah the Nancy is a joke. The SG is nothing. Thibs did an excellent job but he should have used Thomas every game.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I guess this is the sort of game where you know you're just not good enough to beat the better team. I felt the Bulls had the right formula to win this game, but it came down to one or two bad possessions that cost them.

    The Big 3 on offense, Rose, Deng, Boozer, provided the points, the rebounding numbers were good and we held the Heat to 85 points in regulation.

    Sadly, we just can't find enough offense from other places on our team, most notably shooting guard where Kyle Korver has hit two threes over the course of three games. Ouch!

    We need one or two role players to step up at the UC, similar to what Chalmers and Miller provided the Heat tonight, to win.

  • In reply to Bulls986:

    Role players definitely made the difference last night. It sucks that two of Miami's role players who were injured earlier in the year decided to have break out games in this series. Haslem in game 2 and Miller in game 4. Some might say Miller didn't have a break out game, but we he sucked all season since he's been back, he def did last night hitting big shots and a couple 3's.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Agreed that it is fortunate for the Bull's management that they now have the advantage of the specifics of what improvements are necessary to advance to the Finals. This clarity does allow the process to have specific focus.

    An as you identified, they have some assets that could be packaged to improve where needed, to solidify there apparent weaknesses and the core players have valuable experience.

    Maybe we can pick off a few ring chasers too.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Good point. If the Bulls had lost to Celtics in the ECF/second round, it would have been a misleading need and weaknesses. The two teams which the Bulls have to match-up in the East are NY(if they get lucky to get another star player), Miami and OKC in the West.
    The advantage we have seen is the Bulls have neutralized Wade in this series without any studs at SG. LeBron is the killer in this series and I think the Bulls have to think the other way around. That's where most teams failed in the 90s against the Bulls. They kept trotting out Jordan stoppers rather than trotting out people who can trouble Jordan on the offensive end and put him in foul trouble(I know it is not easy).

    GarPax probably the keepers now when they had to perform in a pressure situation and they have an easier problem to solve with Rose on their side.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    You can't get LeBron in foul trouble, he doesn't get called for defensive fouls. How a guy can consistently average under 2 fouls per 36 last season while playing tight enough D to earn first team I don't know. Ask the refs.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I don't know, watching LeBron, I don't think there are many times where I feel like he fouled someone. I think he can do that because he's an incredibly gifted athlete for the most part.

    There probably are times he gets away with stuff, but it's not egregious in my mind.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    But that's the point, he doesn't need to be getting away with anything egregious, if he just gets one or two marginal non call a game in his favour that's a huge deal to any chance of getting him in foul trouble.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    THE BETTER HEADLINE:

    "Sadly, the Bulls are TOO SOFT, TOO SCARED, TOO STUBBORN and TOO LOUSY (in the 4th)."

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Go buy a Carmelo jersey and get out of here! Everyone is pissed about the Heat being up 3-1, but don't forget the Bulls are in the ECF. It's not like they lost in the 1st round. All 3 losses were close until the last couple of minutes, no 4 game blow out sweep. If they pull off a miracle against the Heat and win or if they lose, this season wasn't a disappointment. Stop with all the negativity.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why do you pretend to be a Bulls fan? (I know, I know, misery loves company....enjoy your misery)

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Gordon??? That's just plain ABSURD!! That ship has sailed...good riddens. We need Dwight and Jrich for Noah, Thomas and Deng.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    its really just one game at a time now just get game five

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    The difference in all of the Heat's wins is a role player stepping up to knock down some huge shots. In Game 3 I felt like it was Bibby and Haslem and in this game it ended up being Miller and Chalmers. Combined the two players supplied the Heat with 21 points and really helped to offset another poor showing by Wade.

    The Bulls are down 3-1 and have not allowed Wade to erupt all series long which is scary in itself.

    I didn't really have a problem with the first step back jumper, Rose took, but after seeing how difficult it was for him to get the shot off, I thought for sure Thibs would come back with a screen and roll on the last play of the game just to activate the offense. Why not run a 1/4 pick and roll with Boozer just to see how Miami's defense would react? If there was a switch, all of a sudden the advantage would go to Rose because of his speed and quickness.

    If the double team came the ball could have been slipped to Boozer for possibly a wide open 18 footer. When the Bulls needed to run a pick for Rose with LeBron guarding him they didn't.

    I know I'm probably an idiot for saying this, but I still think this series is far from over. If the Bulls take care of business in Game 5, the pressure is squarely on the shoulders of Miami and we get one last crack to beat them in Miami.

    I feel that these games are so nip and tuck because of the great defenses by both teams that it would be foolish to write off the Bulls for dead. When you play defense and rebound the way the Bulls do and have a star like Rose, you always feel like you have a shot.

    If the Bulls can find their three point stroke back at the UC, I like their chances.

  • In reply to Bulls986:

    It's definitely a long shot but not out of the question like you said. The pressure is all on Miami to close it out now. Everyone has written off the Bulls at this point, so they just have to go out and play with no pressure cause no one expects them to win. A game 5 win would put a ton of pressure on the Lebrons in game 6. Good point about finding their 3 pt stroke. Rose went 1-9 on 3's, just hit one more and the series would potentially be tied if the rest of the game played out the same.

  • In reply to Bulls986:

    The story of the series should be more about DRose

  • In reply to syepp83:

    "It's extremely hard when a 6-8 guy can easily defend you."

    -DRose post-game per ESPN NBA twitter feed.

  • In reply to syepp83:

    Same shit same story, put Korver in the game and you get no defense no shots stupid fouls and turnovers. Oh and did I mention Miami always goes on a run when he is on the floor. Kyle Korver is a waste of space in this series.

    And why why why doesn't Rose get a break in the fourth. Watson played a good game, yeah he had a stupid turnover, so did Deng so did Rose in bunches, with Watson the game flowed a lot better and I am soo sad to say that. In addition if Rose doesn't get a rest at the start of the fourth he will not win you a game, b/c he has no lift anymore. Sad sad.

    And it would have been nice to get at least every third of fourth foul in the paint called. Than at least we would have had a chance, this game was called more lopsided than the last one. It really amazed me that James was called for an offensive foul against Deng. Noah gets hacked constantly, Boozer gets hacked a lot on his shots, even Brewer got hacked by Wade on that play where they had a 24 second violation called. We don't flop as good as they do.

    And when we would get lucky with the bounce every once in a while, that would be nice too. Maybe one or two shots that go in and out could stay in, there is no basketball god in this series.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    I agree, but I was saying this after Game 3. Bogans plays the best defense on Wade of anyone on the team and has knocked down as many threes in this series as Korver.

    I'm happy that Thibs stuck with Brewer down the stretch over Korver for defensive reasons, but honestly I would have preferred going back with the starting lineup just to keep the Miami defense honest.

    Overall, the Bulls had the right formula to win this game but it just came down to one or two bad possesions at the end of regulation.

  • In reply to Bulls986:

    wade was not the problem in this game.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    i just want to sat that this series comes down to defense and defense wins what. you know the rest Bozer has and will be the reson why we lose the series and most peole do not wan to admit it but Thibs is a great reg. season coach Congrat now move on to playoffs and sit boozer. You would win these games for he gives us nothin in the clutch

  • In reply to humbleservant:

    Eh, I think it came down to the Bulls offense unable to execute and shoot more so than defense.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Boozer's injury "maybe" the reason that he had another bad game.

    He was on the bench at crunch time with No-Shot Noah the Nancy who gets pushed around as if he was on roller skates. This Florida Fairy is a joke and disappears against good players. His low point was 5 rebounds and 1 point. Yet the clowns keep over rating Noah the Nancy!

    Deng exceeded all expectations and finally stayed healthy. If the Bulls get a very good shooting guard and a staring center they can win a NBA title!

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    I also think Gordon would have made a big difference in this series for Chicago. The Miami Heat would have had a hard time contending with someone who could shoot the three as well as Gordon when left open and also create a quality shot off the dribble if they over committed on him.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If you think BG would have played any differently than Korver in this series, you're as misguided as the original poster. The last thing the bulls need is one guy breaking off the plays and trying to "create." If Joe Johnson looks bad doing it, BG would have been a disaster.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Gordon lovers can't get off the crack(some kind of mental disease), and they ignor that Miami is as good if not better defensively than we are.

    Ray Allen didn't do much of anything against Miami, and Gordon couldn't carry Allens used jock strap.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    but then again, some people say that Carlos Boozer just played a great offensive game.

    I guess greatness is in the eye of the beholder. Some of us are old enough to have watched every minute of greatness, MJ, so we don't throw it around in an attempt to make excuses for useless peices of shit like Boozer.

    Deng was not even close to great either, especially offensively.

    the game is played on both ends of the court, and in the playoffs every second of the game.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    how well has Gordon shot the 3 in the last 2 years. He got his money and quit, just as I predicted. Although somebody actually used the word allstar and Ben gordon in the same sentence, more than once if I recall.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Doug you are 110% right, Gordon puts the ball in the hoop even when double teamed!!

    You could not be more wrong about No-Shot Noah the Nancy!
    Noah is a clown, he is a back up and not a starter. He is a stinking flyweight who disappears against good players.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    dont be ridiculous

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    not crazy, suicidally insane.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Rose lost the game, plain and simple. He's the MVP and he didn't get it done tonight. The missed FT is inexcusable by itself. The weak fade away on the last shot was even worse. Even Ben Gordon was disgusted by that.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    oi vey.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    We just need somebody who is not scared of the moment. Ben Gordon was not scared of the moment and I think Jason Richardson is not scared either. Please don't get anybody from the Jazz family as they all seem to be scared of the moment(Korver, Boozer).
    The only bad thing is it would have felt better to lose to the Celtics than these d-bags.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Yeah I agree about losing to Celtics would have felt better. Not to say we would have lost cause I think we could take Boston, but if Boston was healthy, I think we would be playing Boston right now.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    and Jesus preached to much

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Derrick Rose is not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    will be even naughtier next year, esp if he doesn't win this year/ Only will motivate him more.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    lol, I bet he goes perfect from the foul line next year!

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I really do hate that the bulls lost... But if there was one good thing about the refs tonight it was that Bennett Salvatore made up for his terribale none call against crawford on rose in that ATL sereies by calling a charge on lebron in the closing seconds of regulation. Refs never call that type of call on any other night. It was if he tried to help us seal the win to show that he was sorry..lol

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    This was a grimy game with a lot of blame to go around. Anytime it goes to OT you can think back to any of the players making one play differently. I'm most irritated by the bulls last two possessions in regulation. Horrible coaching. It is never the right play to have one guy dribble the clock down amd take a contested shot over one of the best defenders in the league. This was the last two plays the bulls ran. I just don't understand how thibs thought that gave him the best chance of winning. If rose made either ofthose shots, I would say we were lucky to win. Heat fans were ecstatic we were willin to become so 1 dimensional withhold last possessions.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    If Thibs won COY based of the regular season performance, he should be required to give it up based on this series - some very questionable strategic decisions, a lack of 2nd half adjustments that have been the hallmark of the regular season, you'd think he was channeling his inner VDN.

    -Bibby guarding Rose = WHY ARE YOU RUNNING PICK AND ROLL you have the mismatch advantage - scrap whatever play you had drawn up and immediately go isolation
    -LeBron guarding Rose = WHY ARE YOU GOING ISOLATION, you are at mismatch disadvantage - go pick and roll to try to offset the mismatch; see Kyle Korver
    -If Lebron is on the court, Kyle Korver needs to be on the bench; the heat repeatedly ran pick and roll with lebron and whoever Korver was guarding and repeatedly created and abused the mismatch; would apply to Boozer too, but at least Boozer is more that a 1 trick pony (the 2 trick pony > a 1 trick pony rule)
    -Bulls half court offense <<<< Heat uptempo offense; Bulls uptempo offense << Heat uptempo offense; give yourself half a chance and try to push the rock whenever possible; Rose is the fastest guy on the court, Noah is the arguably the best running big man on the court, why not try to take advantage of this -arent the Bulls the more physical team; maybe institiute the "Lebron rules" - i count 15-20 available hard fouls (Gibson-5, K Thomas-5, Asik-maybe 5if healthy, Boozer-3-4 and Noah 3-4) on Lebron anytime he tries getting near the rim; and go ahead and give Bosh/Wade a few of whatever you have left over -i got the feeling the Heat relegated game 1 to learning experience status - ie were not ready for this game, lets just get out of here healthy, take the loss, make the adjustments and move on to game 2; it seems the Bulls relegated the whole series to learning experience status - ie we dont have the horses to run with these guys, we cant adjust our system at this point, lets just keep playing the way we always have, try to adjust in the offseason and try again next year

  • In reply to cjb23:

    Lots of this

  • In reply to cjb23:

    What did this game really tell us? Nothing that we didn't already know. I agree with your post Doug and the phrase that keeps coming back to me over the last 3 games is "we are playing this bad (or Miami is making us play this bad) and we still have a chance to win." I'm very disappointed that we didn't win but as my non-bulls fan basketball buddy said you're just not good enough. And you would have to be not just one-eyed but blind to say any different.
    I do believe we are only an Aaron Afflalo (type) away from being able to beat the Heat but the we have all said that all season. So sometimes like you said Doug we have to admit that the opponent is the better team. Everything has fallen into place at the right time for the Heat esp Haslem coming back and MM hitting his shot and you have to accept that if that team was available for all 82 games then Miami would have had the best regular season record. Unlike some I don't want major changes in the off-season (depending on CBA) because I really like supporting the team as it is constituted right now. I can live with Derrick immaturity and decision making because I want to see it improve; I want to see JoNo develop an offensive game; I want to see Luol become more consistent; I want to see Taj and Asik develop; I love watching the Bench Mob do their thing and I would want to continue to support this team; a team with so much more growing in them than to gut it and be in NYs position of stars and no support.
    I have enjoyed this season because (being honest) the Bulls have over-performed in the regular season but are still such an immature team. When you make 8 changes to the team in the off season some things will work (The Bench MoB) and other (SG) won't. We need to address the issues this post-season has highlighted and improve for next year. I still believe that we will be the 2nd best team starting in the East next year as we stand but just need a tweak to push the Heat (I don't think the changes Heat will do in the off season will greatly improve their best 8 man rotation)

    But as others have said; yes the series feels over but their is still a glimmer of hope. No matter what the final outcome is I hope the Bulls give it their all for the remainding games (and who knows what might happen? we can but dream)

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Carmelo Anthony wanted to play in NY but said he would certainly play for the Bulls. We didn't want to trade Noah and Deng, which was probably the right move. Howard wants to play for LA but if the Bulls offer Orlando a better deal, there isnt a SHOT IN HELL Dwight turns down a chance to play with Rose.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Howard doesn't get to turn anything down, the Bulls aren't allowed to talk to him without Orlando's permission due to the league's tampering rules. The best the Bulls can do is leak trade rumours, but those tend to go badly if the trade falls through and you have a bunch of players who now feel unwanted.

    Besides unlike with the Melo situation Orlando don't have to do anything. The Knicks at least had the leverage that they could sign him outright in the offseason. Orlando don't have to trade him even if he does come out and say he wants to go to LA or Chicago, because neither team is under the cap.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Yes, there is. You can't make a guy make the right choice. He strikes me as the type who would easily put Hollywood or just plain old warm weather ahead of the best fit. I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    I'll give up noah,boozer,kolver 2 picks for howard and richardson

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Not another moron using caps lock...please

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Howard is great but I wouldn't give up that many players for him. They need to make a move for a shooter Kevin Martin from Houston 24ppg, 6 apg, Stephen Jackson, Michael Redd (get him for cheap, finally healthy, see if he has any gas left in tank, Jason Richardson, or Richard Hamilton.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    It doesn't matter what the Bulls offer for Howard, other teams can offer more. However, besides that point, if he's traded it will be up to Dwight to pick his destination not based on the package thrown out there.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Doug, what team can offer more than Deng, Noah, Gibson and picks? And please spare me the "Dwight Howard won't play in a cold weather city"! He wants to WIN. These guys want to win and pairing with Rose is his BEST chance!

  • In reply to sukid09:

    no just like the others guys he wants to play in a "sexy" city, and freezing your nuts off is not sexy. These guys are still kids, think what you where like in your 20's, and you didn't hve millions of dollars.

  • exactly. Everbody says this was a series if we took this game 4. Hey, you still had to win 2/ the next 3. You still have to do that, plus only have to steal the one in Miami. Bulls could do it.

  • It is all on Rose, he is the MVP, he is the leader, and he needs to learn how to get a better performance out of himself. That's harsh, but it's the truth because there is nobody else who is going to do it. Plus, if somebody else were to do it, it would be Rose setting him up.

  • I thought CJ Watson slipping and letting that bum Mike Miller get a free look was big, it gave him too much confidence down the stretch. Call me crazy but I would have play Bogans alittle.

  • In reply to juice44:

    CJ gave a nice spark for awhile tho and he's a capable scorer. That's not the thing to 2nd guess imo.

  • It's certainly not over yet...

  • it might be but our MVP let us down, 2 shots in the last 40 seconds to win the game, WWJHD.

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