Miami easily wins the series against Boston

I am shocked...   Shocked I tell you!

Okay, maybe not.  If you've been reading this blog, I've been saying since February that Boston was a paper tiger that stood no chance against Miami in the playoffs.   Everyone has rushed to bury the Heat at every juncture possible, with every minor struggle, hoping that they don't win the whole thing.

You know why?   

Miami winning the title this year is a doomsday scenario for the league

Ignore the fact that everyone hates them, and the whole world is rooting against them.  Ignore the decision and the way the team came together. 

We don't want Miami to win, because over the next 4-5 years, this might be the worst team that they put on the floor.   It's not going to ever get easier to beat this team than it is right now, and it's already too difficult.

You see, all the lessons about playing together that they had to go through with this season?   Not required next year.    Trying to build depth for the team?   Well, they'll have another MLE (pending new CBA) this off-season to add a big piece and Udanis Haslem isn't likely to miss the entire NBA season next year making them soft in the front court.

We don't want Miami to win because their arrow is pointing up, and if they win now, good luck for the rest of us in the future.   Regardless of how distasteful their seven championship speech was (and unlikely as age will catch them before seven titles does), they certainly have an extremely good chance of running off three or four straight titles and sucking the fun out of the league for that period.

Our beloved Bulls will be on the wrong side of the bracket too.   The West is becoming less and less competitive because the only quality young teams are the Thunder and possibly the Clippers.   The top 3 seeds this season are all teams in heavy decline, and the West will be an easier gauntlet to run than the East for the foreseeable future.

Will Boston blow things up?

Boston, like San Antonio, is not going to win another title with their current group.   The Lakers are still good/young enough that they could come back hungrier next season and have a chance. 

If you're Danny Ainge do you blow this thing up now and get some draft picks for Pierce, Allen, and Garnett?   You already sold off Kendrick Perkins for financial reasons in one of the dumbest mid season moves in history (granted, Perkins probably couldn't have changed the outcome of the series, but they had a chance with him in there and none once he was gone).    Why not sell off Allen, Pierce, or Garnett?

The Celtics could likely get under the luxury tax and save 30-40 million in payroll.  They could also likely continue to sell out their stadium given their storied history without reducing ticket prices.   It might be a financial win even after loss playoff revenue, and they have no chance of winning it all next year.

Do you bring back the big 3 and run it one more time, or do you figure
that you can save 30-40 million in payroll + luxury tax payments as well
as collect maybe 6-7 1st round draft picks to spread out over the next
couple seasons.   I take the money and the picks once I know my hope of winning is zero.

If they do sell, I'm buying

Ray Allen makes 10 million.   A deal of Ronnie Brewer (expiring) + non guaranteed contracts (Bogans, Pargo, Lucas) is enough to swing a deal for him.   Toss in a couple of draft picks, and it's a move with a lot of potential for Boston.

I'm game to give up the Bulls two 1st rounders this year and their 2013 1st + the aforementioned players for Ray Allen.  Allen is exactly what this team needs, and imagine a Rose, Allen, Korver, Deng, Noah lineup offensively.    I can't imagine how opposing teams would even hope to defend that. 

I wouldn't mind picking up Garnett either, but the Bulls have no real hope of matching salaries that high unless Boston wants to take back Boozer (seems unlikely).

Final thoughts

I'm not sure how scared I am of Miami right now.  I've always had them as the favorite to win the East, so nothing has really changed.   However, their series win against Boston doesn't strike me as all that impressive, so all hope is not lost. 

Of course watching the Bulls play Atlanta, it's clear that we're not exactly at the top of our game either.  Here's hoping to a successful game six tonight.

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  • Call me crazy, but I have a lot of confidence with Rose and Coach Thibs. I truly believe that the Bulls will win the Championship this season. They seem to raise their games to another level when need to and they have been making the necessary adjustments to win games that they need to win. As long as the Bulls doesn't have another injury, I will say they will beat Atlanta and Miami. Whoever comes out of the East will win the Championship in my opinion.

  • In reply to truniac307:

    Great point, Jet!
    I still can't bring myself to understand why Doug and that fake called Nick Friedell are so confident that Miami will beat the Bulls. I'll take an apology from Doug when the dust clears, but not from Friedell who has been kissing the Heat's ass for a long time now! The people on TV with the exception of Charles Barclay and John Barry have been embarrassing with their bowing down to the "NEXT COMING." There is this clown named Chris Broussard who should be fined for all his mad prognostications. This morning he was on ESPN willing to bet his life that Miami will win it all. Prior to that I am sure he had predicted a Lakers vs. Celtics final. Isn't he the same guy that thinks Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time? CONFIRMED ASS KISSER!

  • In reply to Normie:

    It is annoying when the Bulls doesn't get the credit and when we get overlooked. We are not the favorite yet because we came out of nowhere and surprised the league with our play. Also besides Rose, we don't have another player that can score 30+ night in and night out. I believe if we add more "big name players" and if we started getting players that wants to join the team in order to get a ring, we will be considered a contender. I think next season, if we continue to play this good, the media will start looking at us as a favorite or one of the contenders.

  • In reply to truniac307:

    I've thrown out the Ray Allen scenario before, I love it. He seems to be aging quite gracefully, and would bridge the gap b/t now and when we could get a long term solution @ SG, maybe by trading the Cahrlotte pick in 2-3 years when it becomes apparent it will be a high lottery selection. The Bulls could then target someone with their 44th pick in the draft that can specialize in defense & providing pressure on that unit @ 2 guard. I like it.

  • In reply to truniac307:

    +1

  • Agree. But Ray Allen is old.

  • I like Ray also but you are giving up too much for him. If you are going to shell out multiple first round picks you get a younger two-way player who can help you for 3-4 years.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Picks 28, 30, and probably a pick in the late 20s in 2013.

    Yeah, I'm not really that worried about those picks.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agree, those picks are basically 2nd rounders, maybe a little worse b/c they are guaranteed

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Well, maybe Boston isn't worried or should I say thrilled with those picks either.

    But 3 #1's, actually 4 if you include Brewer is a lot for a guy who is turning 36. Allen is a supremely trained athlete, who has taken care of his body for his whole career, but father time gets everybody and you don't always see it coming.

    If even one of those picks turned into another Taj, is one year(maybe)of Allen worth it.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    so which is it? too much, too little, or just right?

  • so we should just stop watching nba basketball for the next five years right doug because the heat will be winning it all IN that TIME FRAME teams are just going to lay down or dont have a chaNCE AT ALL
    SMFH

  • In reply to jaymccray:

    looks like we are going to have to be the ones to stop them, which sets up a great 5 year rivalry

  • The next game Ray Allen will play he'll be 36. Yes, he looks like he still has game, but for how long? Also, I believe that his contract includes a 15% trade kicker. I see it as a desperation move. I don't think the Bulls' FO is desperate at the moment.

    The Bulls' identity is Rose and defense. Don't look for them to try to put together an offensive lineup that is unstoppable.

    As for the Heat, I look forward to seeing how we stack up against them. I'm not quite ready to concede the next 4-5 championships to them.

  • In reply to Nossem:

    THANK YOU! AS FOR YOU DOUG GET A DOG A VERY BIG ONE

  • In reply to jaymccray:

    Allergic to dogs, sadly enough.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I know your pain...

  • In reply to Nossem:

    Doug, you forgot to have your cup of coffee, as your brain doesn't appear to be awake yet this morning. The Heat got extremely lucky in their series against Boston, with Rondo getting hurt and some uncharacteristically poor play down the stretch during the games, especially the last two.

    Out of the 8 teams in the Semis, Boston was clearly the worst team. Old, injured and without any team harmony after Perkins was traded.

    And for you to say that he probably wouldn't have made a difference?? Boston was severely out-rebounded in every game because their bigs were so bad.

    Regarding the next 5 years, don't worry so much. A MLE and Haslem = dynasty? I don't think so. Wade will begin to break down a la Kobe soon. Bosh is suspect material. And the only guy on the roster who may get better is Chalmers.

    Lastly, trading for Ray Allen would be a huge mistake!! Allen has far too much tread on his tires, and he's not risen to the occasion in their big playoff games in the last couple of years because of that tread. A YOUNG shooting guard is what we need, like OJ Mayo.

    Otherwise, we don't need both Bogans and Brewer on the roster. Obviously, it'd be nice to jettison Bogans, as Brewer is an even better defender and overall more athletic. Can we package Bogans and Boozer for a decent shooting guard (and keep Korver coming in off the bench)? Now that would be sweet.

  • In reply to ethanboldt:

    Yes, packaging Bogans and Boozer for a decent SG would be sweet. But NBA scouts and GMs see the same thing we see- a grossly overpaid, quickly aging, injury-riddled, slow, no defense, cheap-shot artist with 4 more years to go on an albatross contract. Have I covered it?

    Interestly, I saw one idea recently about sending Loozer to NJ for Morrow and Outlaw. Aside from the fact that NJ likes Humphries, if I were a Bulls fan I would actually consider this. Those who think Loozer is worth more than this should think again.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    That is an idea the Bulls should entertain. Likely, because of that correctly defined "albatross contract," however, we'd have to give up a quality player alongside Boozer, like Asik.

    But then it wouldn't be worth it, IMO. Asik is a defensive beast and will only get better. Noah, Gibson and Asik are one helluva core. We may have to make peace with Boozer, unless the Lakers want to trade him straight up for Bynum. Haha.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Shooters get to an age and suddenly can't shoot. Ray Allen has gone well past the usual point where it happens of the early to mid 30s (and maybe like Bill Simmons has argued modern training means that the old players can go for a lot longer) but he's going to hit that point eventually, I'm not sure he's a good investment.

    I also don't see the wisdom of sending out Brewer for him. Brewer is younger and better than Korver, the only reason we may have a preference for Korver is that he fills a needed role. But if Ray Allen is now filling that role, I see absolutely no reason to prefer to keep Korver. If there's a deal for a SG that requires one of the two, Korver should be the matching salary.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    1. Brewer didn't really go through training camp and he looked a little lost because of initially being thought as a starter and then becoming a bench player. I think he will do a lot better next year. BTW, would Boston would have traded Perkins if Boston had signed Brewer(rumors wise)and not traded for Green.
    2. Trading Korver depends on what player you get. That player should be a good 3 pt shooter. I think Butler or some body like that can replace Korver.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Boston wasn't a paper tiger, they were a fragile tiger, who were hit with injuries.

    The Celtics LOST games 4 and 5 more than the Heat won them.

    I'm not worried.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    +1 mil

    I'm lovin the new Happy!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    are you guys really sure that the Bulls will win tonight in Atlanta, never mind guaranteeing that they will beat the heat in the next round.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    yes I am sure they will win tonight

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'm skeptical of that statement, you got examples? Seems like shooting would be the one thing that never goes. Bet Bird could light it up right now. The one thing I would worry about is athleticism going to the point where guys only have to play your shot.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    It's now you are thinking about improving the team ?? you were all glad bulls stood pat at the deadline because of chemistry, asik size and whatever and now you want to upgrade the team because you fear the heat ?? that's funny

  • In reply to ethanboldt:

    Boozer is here until he's an expiring contract, unless the Bulls agree to take on a worse contract. You're not going to get value for him.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    You never know with all these guys like Humphries...playing for a contract, playing on a lottery team having good numbers. We have seen that a lot before. Performing for a championship contender is different. We just have to go with Boozer for now as he is our best option if you think what we can get in a trade or considering the salary cap issues.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I think Bulls fans are somewhat annoyed with what Doug is saying because that just it, Bulls fans, some homer fans, and a few realistic basketball Bulls fans. The Heat has a ton of talent on their team and sometimes talent wins over a complete team. No one is saying that the Bulls don't have a chance, It's just the way the Bulls have been playing in this years playoffs. The offense has been inconsistent all year, Rose is the only player that can create his own shot, and the piece that the Bulls will probably need to advance past Miami has turf toe and can't play along side of Noah and vice versa. The Bulls defense will slow the Heat down, but can the Bulls generate enough offense to keep up and score in critical situations when they have to. I agree with everything Doug said because at some point you have to be a basketball fan and not just a Bulls fan and be realistic. Again... we all want the Bulls to defeat the Heat in the ECF if the Bulls can get that far, but the Bulls will undoubtably have to play a much better game on the offensive end of the court to beat this Miami team.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I would agree with you about the Heat but seeing your earlier posts, you almost never give a chance for the Bulls against almost anyone. You are on the other side of a homer(I am not trying to be just obnoxious like some posters are sometimes)..

    Realistically, you are somewhat right. Boozer/Gibson combo have to dominate Bosh. I think Noah/Gibson probably can play good defense on Bosh but Boozer/Gibson have to play good offense. The main thing we are missing is Boston had all the dis-advantages the Bulls don't have....deep front-court, rebounding, good PG play(Rondo was hurt), old legs. Except for jump-shooting the Bulls have advantages over Boston.

    I believe it all depends on intensity, concentration, confidence of the Bulls.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Right now the Heat are playing better than the Bulls, and deserve to go in favourites. That said I don't think they're playing so much better than the Bulls can't win, especially with home court and the Heat's seemingly fragile confidence.

    I really feel like the series depends on the Heat more than the Bulls. The Heat have had the advantage of home court the first couple of rounds so as the frontrunners they've been all season they rolled on through. But the Bulls having home court really gives a good chance the Heat will be behind this series and we'll see how they cope with the pressure.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I agree that the Bulls can win. I think the Heat are favorites, but not massive favorites.

    Of course, Chicago still has to take care of business against Atlanta.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The Heat are more talented offensively than the Bulls, and like I have noted all season when they want to they can play defense with anybody in the league, and in the playoffs they do.

    I am not sure how the Bulls beat the heat, if they can't defense them to death.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    As far as the Bulls future one thing stands out: Carlos Boozer's contract/signing. It's funny how many times these coach/exec of the year awards mark the death knell of said awardees. Mike Brown, aka COY, aka LeBron appeaser, aka fired, for my money was not an elite head coach. Kevin Pritchard, boy the conventional wisdom was he was exec of the year when he drafted Oden after Aldridge, Roy etc. Yet Oden even when briefly healthy had no real offensive game for the NBA. And yet there was this guy named Durant available. Pity.

    Ironically, similar(in one respect) to the Ben Wallace signing Boozer was the "best FA available"(left). Carlos, as it stands right now, looks like a big mistake. Even Doug had major, major red flags/apprehension about Boozer. Now, it's possible he's simply injured or in a funk, and will go back to putting up his career numbers next season. It's just odd the decline beginning in January, and riding off a cliff the rest of the season. If he's back to the 'old' Carlos then fine. If not then we're screwed. But as we've come to see for ourselves, even when healhty, with Carlos it's sort of like the Book of Job(e): Lord giveth(Carlos' offense), Lord taketh away(Carlos' poor defense). Still, maybe Booz will come up big against Miami, and be back to his 'old' self for another year or two? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't glad as a fan when we signed Carlos. But right now the Booz pick up is not looking good, nor his impact on the team's future.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I would love to give the Bulls a better chance against the teams they have played thus far but they bring thus on themselves. Tonights game for example, its a closeout game and the Bulls should win, but I would bet they end up back in Chicago for a game 7 against the Hawks. IMO the Bulls are just not consistent enough to put this Hawk team away. They can prove ne wrong tonight with a big win, until then... I will continue to doubt them and I do hate that.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I am a Bulls fan who believes the Bulls can beat the Heat, however, I'm fearful of the Heat as well. I think the series could go either way and whatever the outcome (assuming the Bulls beat Atlanta) it would be a surprise to no one.

    The one thing that I think people are forgetting is that the Heat haven't looked unbeatable in this post season either. They were vulnerable against the Sixers. I think only one game against Philly was a blowout. Games 4 & 5 against Boston were very close and I don't believe were super convincing wins either. Rondo missed an easy layup at the end of game 4 that could have made a difference, not to mention his elbow injury, and how many stupid turnoevers did Boston have in the last 5 minutes of game 5 that swung the game in Miami's direction. As someone above said, I think Boston lost those games more than Miami convincingly won them.

    The point is, the Bulls definitely need to play better to beat Miami (we all know that, ever the homer fans), but Miami hasn't had such a super dominant playoffs so far that everyone should be declaring them overwhelming favorites either. It's very easy to look at the other team's best and compare that to your team's worst/mediocre play so far. All I'm saying is don't overlook Miami's average/mediocre play so far as well.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    The Bulls haven't really looked impressive this post season. But you're right Miami has not looked like a dominant champion all the time either. Some of the time like 16 straight points to close out a game maybe.

    One thing: if there's one guy who is up for the challenge of defending a known quanity like James and Wade it's Tom Thibodeau. It's what he lives for. And it's when he's at his best. After LeBron, Wade, and Bosh(I know, two of the top three players in the league); it's Chalmers/Jones as a hiccup, and then nothing scoring wise. If House and Miller get hot then you're probably done. But if you can keep the pressure on: get those rebounds, control the ball, and slow the pace as all defensive oreinted teams like San Antonio, Detroit etc. have done, you might have a chance. Eliminate transition, dominate the boards, and Miami is vulnerable because they lack many parts of a team other then scoring.

    The key to me is a slow ass pace, but you HAVE to convert(Joakim time to show up and Booz) in the half court game, and low, low turnovers from Derrick Rose. I don't care what he does offensively, if he's turning the ball over, then our goose is cooked. And again, for my money the wild card is Noah. If he doesn't come out of hibernation at 9.8 ppg and 15 ppg last year, and shoot better then .434(!!!) are season will be over in short order.

  • In reply to MikeKeane:

    I agree with the pace key. Though I would add, the key is to keep Miami at a slow pace. You can still run as long as it doesn't allow Miami to run, so if you go into transition, you need to hit your shot or you need to pull it out. Don't make wild transition plays.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Nothing wrong with what Doug's saying and it's not new. Doug and others have been predicting the Heat's dynastic potential for a while now.

    Last summer, I kinda bought into it mostly because the Bulls didn't look like a serious contender.

    The thing is, there are 2 things you need to believe in order to declare the Heat runaway favorites for the foreseeable future:

    - The Heat are clearly better than anyone else right now.

    - The Heat will be able to add more/better pieces in each of the coming years.

    I have problems with both of these.

    The Bulls are scuffling their way through these playoffs so far. The Heat have definitely looked better. Are the Heat clearly better than the Bulls? Each series is different. If Boozer comes around, the Bulls have more than a puncher's chance.

    If there's still an MLE in the new labor contract, the Heat figure to add a nice piece. The Bulls would also get an MLE. Also, the Bulls have more/better trade assets than the Heat. You could certainly argue that the Bulls are better positioned to add/retool.

    Sure, the Heat figure to get their share of washed-up minimum contract "ring-chasers," but these players tend to have better names than games. Besides, the Bulls' may also be a ring-chasing destination, particularly for those who are committed to team basketball.

    It all comes back to whether the Heat blow away the competition in these playoffs. That chicken has yet to be hatched.

  • In reply to Nossem:

    That chicken hasn't hatched yet, but the egg is cracking much faster than anyone else's unless you buy the Mavericks.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    buying the Mavericks is just proof that it doesn't matter as much how great you are playing in rounds 1 & 2

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    meant not buying the Mavs...

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The Mavs certainly have the size and veteran leadership to give the heat a battle.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I think they do too. Not buying the hype that the ECF is the real finals. The Thunder & Mavs are both capable champs.

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  • In reply to Vohaul79:

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! :)

  • In reply to Vohaul79:

    Hey Atlanta...ITS AN EXHIBITION!!! Bring on the Heat http://windycitizensports.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/they-think-its-a-damn-fight-bulls-vs-hawks-preview/

  • In reply to Vohaul79:

    Everyone is picking on the Heat b/c they sell, people hate them, but most importantly, people are scared of them.

    With all due respect to Philly & Boston however, we are a lot better than them. You can also say Miami is a lot better than Atlanta & Indiana. I like my team's chances (after wrapping up tonight)

  • In reply to Reese1:

    not really sure about your 3 guards, 1 small forward, 1 center all offense no defense line up. Take out korver and put in gibson to bump everyone back to their correct positions. But I agree that Ray Allen would be perfect. He still has lots of game left and straight up shooters last almost as long as scoreless point guards. An even better fit would be Ben Gordon who has many many years left.

  • In reply to mepeterser2451:

    Ray allen is a much better teammate than Gordon ever will be, and he is a thibs guy, which Gordon would not be.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    well said. It just get me upset because i remember how everybody were yelling on me when i was saying bulls need another scorer. It's as if people wanted to see Miami explode boston before getting real !! And which is scary if the fact we don't have room for improvement in this team. They passed out Melo for Noah(benched the whole 4th quarter last game)

  • In reply to Reese1:

    JR Smith might be good. 12 great chemistry guys in the locker room would not let JR screw all that up. They would likely settle him down.
    Have him stay with Rose on the court for 15-20 minutes (rest of the time with Korver) and make sure he and CJ always play together all of their minutes. Another creator would make CJ more relaxed and productive.

  • In reply to adocarbog:

    I like JR Smith look at the holingers analysis of each player on espn.com and I think he might be our best 2 guard option

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I agree with you Doug up until trading for Ray Allen.
    Even if we did that we should trade Korver not Brewer!
    He is one of the corner stones of the defense that Thib's has magically installed in his 1st season with a whole new team and we had the best record in the NBA this year with 62 wins and major injuries!

  • In reply to smiley:

    I'd be okay trading Korver instead of Brewer if we made that deal.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    actually, I read that as I suspected the league is proposing a clause in the new CBA where each team can get rid of one player/contract without salary cap consequences. They still have to pay the player, so Reisdork would have to eat 50-60 million, but the Bulls could jetison Boozer if they can't trade him.

  • In reply to ethanboldt:

    Great points Curious E

  • In reply to Nossem:

    Thank You Tom....I like Doug's posts most of the time. He is almost sounding like an upset Celtics fan(to get as much as they can for Allen) or a bandwagon Heat fan.
    Ray Allen is almost done as a player too. He probably can come off the bench and be effective but not as a starter. And he is definitely not worth giving up more than one pick plus a young rotation player.

    And I agree about the Heat. The media proclaim everyone champions before they start. First, everyone predicted Boston to come out of the East. And now, everyone is on the Heat bandwagon. They might win it this year or next. But, the Bulls are still a "forming" team. Plus, the best player on our team(MVP) is so young that it is crazy to give up on us. I hope the Bulls FO have a plan of getting a semi-young player to help grow with the team and tinker based on the feel of how everyone played during this post-season.
    It is good if the Bulls are going to play Miami in ECF as it gives them the knowledge and understanding how to play them whether win or lose.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    If the Bulls got Allen, they could realistically have someone on the floor at all times who could space the floor for Rose. I'd take that for 2 years while searching for our 2 of the future

  • In reply to Nossem:

    I'm certainly not going to concede anything to Miami. Miami has to win on the court. Crazy upsets happen, and the Bulls beating Miami is hardly a crazy upset.

    I'm just noting that Miami is, IMO, the favorite for the foreseeable future.

    As for Allen, he's definitely older, maybe I just don't value the picks enough, but we don't have room or minutes to develop a bunch of late 1st rounders. We played 11 deep last year as it is.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    he's older, but he's in crazy good shape

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I think your take on Miami is spot on, it is what I've been saying all year, except I thought(hoped)that the Lakers would stop them this year.

    Miami will get better every year until age(injuries) catches up with Wade. If healthy Haslem will make them much better, especially helping Bosh. If there is a MLE, they will get the best player available every year.

    I've asked this before, as a Bulls fan should we root against there being a MLE in the new CBA.

    As much as I want the Bulls to improve using it, I fear that Miami, or should I say south beach will beat us to every good MLE player.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    if you were hoping the Lakers would stop them then you were hoping they made it past the Bulls. Not a true fan to me

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    but about MLE, absolutely should root against it. with the players on the market this summer, hard to see a MLE even cracking our rotation

  • In reply to Nossem:

    he still has game, nice

    don't forget though, he can restructure his deal b/c there is a player option for next year. So if he really wants another ring, and to play for Thibs, he can sacrifice a little

  • In reply to Nossem:

    Any chance the Bulls take a chance on Roy? I know his knees are messed up but if we keep our current guard rotation and just remove Bogans insert Roy ... And maybe play him in the fourth more ... He was a top ten player before he got hurt and if they extend Oden they might need some relief

  • In reply to Nossem:

    Any chance the Bulls take a chance on Roy? I know his knees are messed up but if we keep our current guard rotation and just remove Bogans insert Roy ... And maybe play him in the fourth more ... He was a top ten player before he got hurt and if they extend Oden they might need some relief

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    No way at his salary. If he comes on a minimum contract or maybe a little more than that for playing of the bench, that's ok. Since the Bulls don't have cap-space, they have to give up a bunch of assets to get him. The Bulls have to give up their good assets for a legit SG like Lee, Affalo or somebody like that. I don't think Roy can play defense like Bogans.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Afflalo still gets my attention

  • ITS JUST FUNNY HOW YOU AND PPL AT ESPN JUST THINK ANOTHER TEAMS ARE JUST GOING TO SIT AROUND AND NOT DO NOTHING TO WIN A TITLE WHY SHOUND WE TRY TO GET RAY ALLEN ITS POINTLESS THE HEAT GOING TO WIN THE NEXT FOUR NBA FINALS RIGHT

  • In reply to jaymccray:

    You don't have to yell....

  • In reply to jaymccray:

    Why would you say "why should we try to get ray allen" sarcastically in response to a post where I suggest getting Ray Allen?

    Obviously the Bulls will have a chance going forward. I think they're the second best team in the NBA. It wouldn't be a massive upset to beat the best team under those conditions.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    They still maybe favorites, but just like the boston big three, if one of them goes down it will change the whole dynamic. That type of team plan puts too many eggs in too few baskets. (and yes, I know, Rose goes down, we go down, but if anyone else on the team loses it we have someone to fill in, they don't and probably won't)

  • In reply to bwself:

    Good point. Look at what happened to NY. Amare not playing was the end of their season. LeBron/Bosh have been generally healthy but Wade is iffy. He played a long season(in 2006 playoffs) and was hurt a lot after that and has never had any playoff run after that.

  • In reply to jaymccray:

    FWIW if I'm the Celtics I make one last run with their core in 2012. If there's a lockout the shortened season will do their old guys some good and maybe they're still healthy for the playoffs. Probably not enough but they really don't lose a lot by trying, since I doubt they can get that much for Pierce/Allen/Garnett.

    Let Green play on the qualifying offer if possible. I know it makes the Perkins trade seem even stupider, but Green is a scrub and you don't want to offer him a long term contract. If you lose him so be it. Same with the rest of their guys who are up for new contracts, keep them only if cheap and/or willing to go on a one year deal.

    Then in the 2012 off-season with the cap space you can go after one of Howard/Paul/Williams. Obviously you trade Rondo if you get one of the point guards. Depends on the cap, but if it's anything like the current situation they'd even have a nice chunk left over to add another decent above MLE player.

    Basically I see little reason to blow it up when most of their team comes off the books in a year anyway.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The reason to blow it up is to save about 40 million dollars and get 6+ 1st rounders over the next 3 years. To do that, you sacrifice making it to the second round in one season.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    They don't really save that much, they'll have to pay other players to take the place of Garnett/Pierce/Allen due to the league minimum salary rules.

    Getting all those first rounders comes at the cost of being awful next year and ruling yourself out of the free agent race. They absolutely need to keep enough of a team intact to be a playoff team, and the deeper the better (even if it's all smoke and mirrors because the wins come from players they don't intend to resign). The Celtics best chance of rebuilding is in 2012 free agency, why give that up?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    They're paying 6 million in luxury tax and losing 2 million in luxury tax payments. So if they lower their salary 30 million, they'd save 38 million. My estimate was probably a bit high, but if they save the luxury tax money, but it's not absurd to think they could save 25-30 million when you factor in the luxury tax.

    I don't think any free agent looks at the celtics and goes "i have to join there when everyone leaves". I think they'd be better positioned in free agency by getting some massive trade exceptions and draft picks and hoping to lure another star there in trade.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I might question that there enough teams that value those three guys at the money the make at the age they are with what they have left to give up 6 #1 picks.

    I suppose a contender who wants one more piece for one more run who has a ton of money might do it, but their picks like the Bulls will be in the late 20's and not hugely valuable to the Celtics.

    They(the celtics)are in the proverbial rock and a hard place, and may not be able to exticate themselves from it.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    there are always contenders looking for 1 more piece with playoff experience. LA Clippers jump out right away. Pierce would look good.

  • hmm, sounds like a team whose focus isn't where it needs to be

  • Miami's success hinges on the big three playing well in the same game. The Bull's defense is good enough to make sure that doesn't happen 4 out of 7 games.

    I'm more concered about tonight's game in Atlanta. Although I think either way the Bulls win this series, you have to question their chances to win it all if they don't find the motivation to close this thing out tonight. The ability to grab that opportunity as soon as it presents itself says a lot about a team's killer instinct. The Bulls gave up their first chance to close the Indiana series. If they don't grab this opportunity against Atlanta, I lose some confidence in their ability to go all the way.

  • This post makes me sad :( So I guess Da Bulls can forget about winning the championship this year and for the next decade???

  • In reply to brayo:

    No, they will definitely have a shot for the next five years including this year. You have to win on the court, and the Heat haven't proven they can do that against the Bulls yet.

    It's just that it's going to be awfully tough for the Bulls.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    agree, unless the Bulls add a Scottie Pippen, we are likely to be the other team(Cavs, Knicks, Pacers, Jazz, Suns, Sonics) to Miami's version of the Jordan Bulls.

  • In reply to brayo:

    We still have yet to see the best of the Bulls in the playoffs, and remember, we play down (and up) to the competition. If anything, I hope the media keeps hyping up Miami, it'll give the Bulls that underdog role they know so well. It will for sure get Jo and DRose in beast mode.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    Agreed. I think this is one of the good things about Miami beating the Celtics. If we met the Celtics in the next round, I believe the media may have anointed the Bulls with the favorites tag. With the Heat winning, you are almost guaranteed that the Bulls will be the underdog for the next round. Which is a good thing. I believe part of the reason why the Bull's have been struggling in the post season is because of handling the newfound pressure of being the number one seed. Many sportswriters thought the first 2 rounds would be a sweep for the Bulls. Now that is pressure. I believe Miami will hold maximum attention of the Bulls squad.

    First things first though, beat the Hawks! ;)

  • In reply to brayo:

    You people are strange. Apparently Doug agree right now with me. I've been telling you all the season that we must upgrade our team if not because miami will eat us alive this playoffs and the next five years. Everybody was against me, everybody was saying i'm crazy with my carmelo anthony thing and bla bla bla.

    I told you that Rose can't do everything by himself, right now we are all feeling how our team is rose+defense. But Miami has Defense+James+BOsh+wade. I warned you it gonna be very hard if we don't get another consistent scorer beyond Rose. Luol is too irregular, Boozer is a crap. You guys were happy that bulls stoud pat at the deadline and thought that a little upgrade at the SG like Afflalo will be enough. OMG !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    IF we traded for.melo the pacers woulda beat us

  • In reply to deewaves:

    you're crazy

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    i'm crazy ??! and why are you desperate for the upcoming year ?? why are talking about ray allen,b-roy and the all possibilitie of improvement ?? we should have done something before the trade deadline. most of u liked the no-offense team like it is. I really hope Rose will be Superman in this ECF !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You are not getting the point. If we had traded for Melo, we would have to give up so many assets..that we would have been out in 1st round(our playoff position wouldn't have been at the top) or at the worst in the 2nd round. And people have discussed ad-nauseum that Melo was not a good fit for the future.
    We would have been a less talented version of Miami. Getting a good big like Noah, Asik is really difficult compared to a SG we need. No one is saying/said that we are a great team ready to win 6 championships now. The point is Rose is growing and Gar/Pax get a better idea with the new CBA/this season what piece he needs to complement rather than rushing on something based on a name like Melo.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    The problem isn't Melo. Forget about Melo. Which upset is the fact most of bulls fans including GarPax were pleased with the current team and didn't want to improve that at the deadline because of chemestry, Asik size, confidence and whatever ... It is as if it needed miami to beat boston or bulls strugglin vs ATL to get bulls fans real !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    No, that's not true. From the believable rumors, GarPax were trying their hardest to upgrade their SG position without giving up assets. They did not get what they want and stayed away from making a hasty/bad deal.
    Chemistry was a part of it too(look at Orlando, even Boston). And BTW, we don't even know the result. It is just fans are anxious about playing Miami. People were anxious even when MJ's teams played.
    If we had done a deadline deal from what Gar has talked, we would have been screwed next year for a marginal upgrade. Patience..Rose is 22 and is younger than Teague if you want to think about it.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    +1

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Look i'm a bulls fan, i really want bulls to beat heat. However our only edge against them is rebouding. I could have been more hopefull if Miami weren't playing Defense but they do.
    All we can hope is that miami beat boston because of their old age and their frontcourt being less strong than at begining of the season.

    in my opinion we're already screwed for a marginal upgrade. Given we have 3 players with heavy contracts(noah, luol, boozer) almost unmovable, i don't see how we can get a player who can create his own shoot. With our bench, we can only get another bench players. Not to mention in the future, our draft picks will worth nothing since we're a good team.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Who could we have ::realistically:: gotten before trade deadline? Would you have wanted to give up Asik, Gibson? And if you say yes to that, just wait until the Miami series, then answer.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    Asik, why not ? for a hot shooter like Mayo i would have given him up. If not let's wait and see. Though, I'm 100% with the bulls against heat.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    no one's desperate

    I have consistently from the beginning been saying the Bulls will be great contenders for the next 5-10 years starting this year

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    read what i replied to schaumburgfan and explain me how can we improve this team. I mean to improve seriously.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    The point you are missing is it is easier to find a decent shot creating SG than even a decent big. Nothing is guaranteed but we all know what we need. All we need is a Brewer kind of guy who can shoot better than Brewer(I don't know why he is called a SG BTW...that's just a misnomer).
    We don't need superstars(not saying if we are about to get Howard, we let it go). Tell me is it easier to find Asik type again or can we find a better shooting Brewer. Most bigs are busts or injury prone or cannot learn the game easily.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    when its said big are difficult to find, its about scoring big men like howard, gasol and bynum. Though there are a lot defender big man, each team have at least one (Pachuila, Milicic,Deandre jordan, Dalembert, Chandler, Mbenga,McGee, Perkins ...).

    Seriously to beat miami heat, i rather have a superstar than a Brewer kind of guy who can shoot.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    no its not, its about big men who play with energy & love of the game too, as most big men were forced into the game b/c of their height. Asik is an active 7 footer, hard to find, and he loves the game and is willing to put in the time to improve. His offense has upside.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    its better to do it in the summer. They need an athletic shooter who can play a little D. If he can create some off the dribble even the better. They have plenty of assets to move for that player, without sacrificing the future or chemistry

  • In reply to deewaves:

    and if you're not trying to get better every year, you're getting worse. Everyone knows the Bulls need a 36 minute 2 guard

  • In reply to brayo:

    yeah because of GarPax who rather have chemestry than talent.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    no, they would rather not have talent at the expense of chemistry, which has been played out & proven throughout the history of sports as the right way to approach it

  • Yea, that is what I thought Doug's post today was going to be about. They won a second round series and celebrated like Michael did after finally winning his first championship, and like he did after #4, the first after his father died.

    Besides the crying, Lebron did some wild primal scream act that looked like something that should have been on national geographic or the animal planet channel.

    You guys think that we hate the heat now, wait until memorial day.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    wait til all the foul calls they get in the 3rd round

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