Don't throw out that Ben Gordon jersey

So the Detroit Pistons are looking to dump Richard Hamilton and are rumored  considering dumping the 8th overall pick to save 20 million or so in cash.   The Bulls don't have a trade exception to save all that money for Detroit, so they can't get in on that deal.

However, they might be able to dangle an even better deal for Detroit.   One that also helps the Bulls considerably as well.


Detroit trades Ben Gordon + #8th pick for Kyle Korver, Keith Bogans, Jannero Pargo, John Lucas III, and one (or both) of the Bulls late 1sts.

I know what some of you will say:

Ben Gordon can't defend.   -- He's better than Kyle Korver
Ben Gordon hogs the ball.  -- They need that for the 2nd unit
Ben Gordon costs too much.  -- Without a hard cap it doesn't matter

The Bulls need a selfish scorer to lead the second unit.   They need a three point shooter who performs in the clutch.  They need someone who can put the ball on the floor when team's try to chase them off the three point line. 

Ben Gordon can do all these things, Kyle Korver can not.   This is a big talent upgrade.

The Bulls can also likely resign Bogans after Detroit waives him to save money if they want him while Pargo and Lucas were signed to deals specifically to make trades easier.

With the eighth pick the Bulls draft?

Don't know, Kevin States will probably tell us soon, however, DraftExpress has this guy going eighth right now, and he sounds pretty good to me.

Regardless of whom the Bulls get at eighth, it's likely someone who is more likely a future NBA starter with a likely to have a role player floor.   Better than deep in the draft where we're hoping for role player potential with a 'not in the league' floor.

So what's the catch?

There are several.   First, this plan hinges on the fact that the new CBA will not institute a hard cap.  I believe that's likely, because I don't believe the owners are going to get the world, and a hard cap could actually be disastrous for the league as well as unlike football which has national interest due to fantasy football regardless of who is popular, parity may not work so well in the NBA.

Of course we'll need to wait and see what the next CBA brings before knowing for sure.  Unfortunately, the trade needs to be made prior to the new CBA being ratified, so the Bulls may get gun shy there.

Can Ben Gordon and Bulls management get along?  

By the end, they clearly didn't like each other all that much.  Gordon didn't wait for an offer from Chicago, and Chicago didn't look like it was going to make one if Gordon waited.  

I'm sure there was some bitterness over his failed contract negotiations with the Bulls in consecutive seasons, and Gordon was surely initially amped to join such a winning organization like the Detroit Pistons.   Totally different atmosphere there I'm sure.

However, this is a case where time should heal all wounds.   Gordon's in the midst of basketball hell right now.   His playing time has been crap, his performance has slipped, his team stinks badly, and quite frankly Detroit, as a city, is no Chicago.

I'm guessing that winning sixth man of the year for Chicago sounds a lot better than trying to resurrect the Pistons with their current cast.   From the Bulls perspective, there simply aren't many high caliber SGs out there available.   Especially ones that can both shoot and put the ball on the floor.

Gordon is a good guy, a bit aloof, but an extraordinarily hard worker, and would actually fit with coach Thibodeau's style of coaching very well as he takes basketball extraordinarily seriously.   Thibs also has great respect for Gordon from when the Bulls played the Celtics in 2009.

What would the new Bulls rotation look like?

Starters: Rose, Brewer, Deng, Boozer, Noah
Bench: Watson, Gordon, Bogans, Taj, Asik, Thomas, #8
(assuming we resign Bogans after Detroit waives him and bring back Thomas for one more year)

That gives the Bulls to put forth explosive offensive and defensive line ups that they can't currently do as well as have someone to carry the scoring load with the bench unit.

For this to work out well for the Bulls they don't merely rely on Ben Gordon becoming a great player or a star player, they only rely on him accepting his role as a bench player.  Something he's far more likely to do after spending a two year stint in basketball hell.

Would the Pistons really do this?   Who knows.   The rumors of their pick being available for cap relief might be greatly exaggerated.  If not, shedding 32 million rather than 20 million seems like a pretty sweet deal for them.

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  • This would actually be pretty good for us. I would love it.

    However, this trade also hinges on the idea that Gordon can return to his former glory as a Bull.

    But if he could, that would be great. He can create and be selfishly good and wouldnt hurt our team currently.

    I would still want to package CJ and Brewer for maybe another guard like maybe Kirk if possible. Throw in on of our other picks. I think we can use the pick to draft a SG like Alec Burks or Marshon Brooks to start SG.

    Then our team could be:

    Staters=Rose-Burks/Brooks-Deng-Boozer-Noah
    Bench=Kirk/Gordon/Bogans/Taj/Asik/Thomas/Jereme Richmond(2nd round pick)

    Thoughts doug? I guess it depends on how likely them wanting to save cap is. They dont need any more rookies IMO and this draft is kinda weak.

  • Let's just throw things out there and see if they'll stick...laughable.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    This is more realistic than Wade is definitely coming to Chicago and Melo coming to the Bulls.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Not really...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I have a better idea...we can trade Luol Deng for Monte Ellis.

  • In reply to calle3:

    I have an even better idea.

    Bulls Get: Kevin Love + Fillers
    Pistons Get: Carlos Boozer
    Wolves Get: Ben Gordon + Pistons 2012 First Round Pick + Bulls 2012 First Round Pick

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    This is not fantasy basketball

  • In reply to calle3:

    Looks like a lot of dreaming Ben Gordon back to the Bulls you guys forgot the Jerry Reinsdorf factor no way will he allow Ben Gordon back or near this Bulls team we have a better chance to get a free agent 2 guard

  • In reply to calle3:

    Lol what are you drinking

  • In reply to calle3:

    Some on here really think the pistons are stupid to take all the Bulls garbage and give Gordon and the 8th pick please you got a better chance of running across the Dan Ryan drunk at high noon and get blasted by cars or the train

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Doug, would love that deal, but don't see it happening. I love the prospects of the prospect attached, but another prospect would be Alex Burks for our pick if that happened.

  • In reply to kevinstates:

    that's immediately what came to my mind. Best SG in the class, should be available there, seems like a natural fit. Charlottle is rumored to be interested though, and I could see them jumping ahead, esp since they have a pick late in the teens as well.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Are you NUTS? You think the Pistons are trading Gordon AND the #8 pick for Korver and our trash? Yeah, I know they get a serious salary dump but give me a break. They shot down the Hamilton trade and his contract/production is WORSE than Gordon's. For the Bulls to get Gordon, we would have to trade them Bogans, Korver AND one of the bigs for Gordon and POSSIBLY the 8th pick.

    You're NUTS if you think Detroit is giving the 8th pick just to take Gordon off their hands. I'd trade Korver, Bogans and BOTH our 1st rd picks for BG. That is a trade Detroit MIGHT make.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Thanks Doug

    Your blog about acquiring Ben Gordon for the 2nd unit brightened my day. And with the Heat going against the Mavs, I need a little psychological boost today.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Talking about yourself again?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Lets see if we can get Curry, Chandler, T Thomas too. Of wait, we had them and the team wasnt all that great. The 8th pick intrigues me but I think I would rather have JR, OJ, Courtney, Jamal C and probably a few others that have size a can play SOME D. I want a SG that is a STARTER not a 6th man. How many more years on BG contract anyway? The FO should look at this if they cant get anything else done.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Gordon 12m + Noah 12m + Deng 13m + Boozer 16m. Where is D. Rose money?

  • In reply to supercesto:

    Ask JR, he said he'd pay for a winner.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    By which I mean this deal would be a Cuban style pay to take on a bad contract to win a trade type deal. The Bulls are in a position now where buying a winner might be a sensible option. I don't think JR was cheap for not overspending while the Bulls had a bad team, but not it's sensible management to cough up the bucks.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Er, now it's sensible management to cough up the bucks.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Why would Thibs downgrade Bogans from a starter to the eighth man? I mean, I know why he should, but if he stuck with Bogans ahead of Brewer all year, I can't see him putting both Brewer and Ben Gordon ahead on the rotation.

    Doesn't make sense. He would either start Gordon or he would start Bogans.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Interesting scenario. Makes that second unit tough -- but my question is does Brewer add enough to that first unit? Do we need someone to play on the court with Rose that can take the pressure off him a little?

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    The question I see, is when you get into the 4th, like when we collapsed against the Heat several games, is our defense any better? Do we still fold? Do we even know what lineup we want out there? Or is it just like this last season when we are always debating b/t Noah/Asik, Boozer/Gibson, Korver/Brewer/Bogans?

    I guess I have the same basic question as you John, & believe we would need a better 2 way starter @ SG. Burks could be that guy. Maybe Marshon Brooks later.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Is a mediocre two way player better than Brewer who is great defensively and limited offensively? Because although a guy like Brooks looks interesting (seems kind of a Deng style SG, all-around but no stand out strengths) I find it hard to believe someone late in the draft will be a better player than Brewer straight away.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    No, but I want someone better than a mediocre player don't you? Or do you want to have & keep Brewer as the starter forever?

    If they could do this deal, & could get Burks, that would be ideal.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    and its hard to say what a player like Brooks would be, or anyone you could get late in the 1st. I do know his length is of the freakish variety and I like that.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Wanting someone better is easier than getting them. Also Burks shot fewer threes on a worse percentage than Ronnie Brewer did in college, kind of makes you wonder if Thibs would play him over Bogans.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    wanting to get someone better is the first step towards trying, and succeeding. Burks had an off year from 3 last season, but his offensive game as a whole is leaps and bounds above any SG the Bulls have.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'm not against the guy, and I said I like this trade idea for the #8 pick to get someone who can help. But even in his first year at college he shot a very low volume of threes and didn't shoot a great percentage. There's virtually zero chance he's a capable shooter from the NBA three point line in his rookie year. Which given three point shooting allowed Bogans to start all year, has to make you wonder whether Burks could get a look in under Thibs, since if he's stuck behind Bogans, Brewer, Gordon and Deng for wing minutes when does he get to play?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    however, he has legit NBA SG size, and is a flat out scorer, much more so than Brewer, and I like Brewer. I wanted him to start all last year, and would not be disapointed if he had the job next year, i really wouldn't

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    This isn't a commentary on Burks in particular, but Keith Bogans was an amazing scorer in college. So was Adam Morrison and JJ Redick, and there are a ton of amazing college scorers who don't even make it in the NBA.

    I know little about Burks, but I know it's fairly common for scoring not to translate to the NBA for a variety of reasons, and a guy who's slated to go as low as Burks in a draft that most people think is terrible makes me fairly apprehensive about whether his scoring truly transfers, because if it did then he should be going much higher in this draft.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'm not saying he would be a bad player, I'm just wondering if he'd be able to get playing time given his current limitations and what we know Thibs wants from his SG. If he's glued to the bench like James Johnson then it's a bit of a waste.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    BTW, Who is NOT watching the Finals tonight? I will only watch is Dallas can get Miami to a elimination game and I can see the douches go down and cry.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    That's exactly what I'm doing! I'm not going to watch any finals as long as Miami is involved -- unless they are on the brink of losing it.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    +100

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    I not watching that shit ! it will upset because i know miami will sweep dallas. Mavs arent better than the bulls !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    they are not better but they may PLAY better

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Man, that's got to be the most ironic comment of all time.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    LIKE!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Somewhere, Fred Pfifer wets himself.....

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Imagine how excited he'd be if the Bulls signed Craig Hodges to be an assistance coach as well!

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    How quickly we forget...
    No team is ever going to the NBA Finals with Ben Gordon as SG. We remember Gordon having that great scoring series against Boston, but do we also remember Ray Allen matched Gordon bucket for bucket?

  • In reply to Edward:

    A team just went to the finals with Joel freaking Anthony as the starting center. A team makes the finals, not individual players.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Did you happen to notice that Joel freaking Anthony didn

  • In reply to Edward:

    So you play Ronnie Brewer to close the game. I don't think Gordon can be out on the court when LeBron can switch onto him.

    Really this deal isn't about Ben Gordon, it's about getting the #8 pick for Kyle Korver and crap. If Gordon can give you anything it's a bonus.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    +7

  • In reply to Edward:

    YEAH !!! I want BG to back home !!!!!! Rose and BG were one most best backcourt in the nba back in 2009 !! They both pushed boston to the 7th game !! I'm great BG fan ! I want him bacK !

  • In reply to Edward:

    I like the idea of Ben Gordon coming back and will most definitely NOT be watching the NBA Finals. p.s. David Stern and the Miami Heat SUCK DONKEY!!!

  • In reply to Edward:

    I never had nor ever will have a Ben Gordon jersey. In fact, upon hearing of his Detroit signing, I stole my neighbor's, used it to pick up my dog's crap, pissed on it, lit it on fire, and proceeded to leave it on said neighbor's door step. However, if the Bulls were to pull off this trade, I would by my neighbor a nice shiny new one.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    i don'T understand why people don't like him in chicago. he was my favourite player from 2005 to 2009 ! I have never found he is ball hogger OR a selfish player. All i know is he is very clutch and if it wasn't him the bulls wouldn't have upset boston in 2009 !! I WANT BG BACK IN THE UC !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I'd LOVE to have BG back but Detroit aint sending him back WITH the 8th pick. We might be able to trade for Gordon but NOTHING will happen until AFTER the new CBA is determined. Gordon would be a solid addition as a 6th man scorer off the bench.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    i could give up Asik for him !! he is exactly what chicago need !! remember in 2009, Rose and BG was of the best backcourt of the nba. What we needed at that time was the low post scoring. Instead of that GarPax let BG walk and added a low post scoring(Boozer). Now he need an SG ! Why destroy a position to improve another one and then try to improve it ? stupidity

  • In reply to deewaves:

    euhhhey, not his again :(

    No way you give up the Turkish Hammer for him

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    man, that's which annoys me with bulls fans. To improve the team, u've got to make some sacrifices. You won't get a SG who can leads bulls to the finals without giving up a good piece. Korver and draft picks aren't enough !!

    That's why bulls have never made a trade for a star because they overrated their players. and that's why Sabix is right, bulls won't get Dwight Howard because they will hesitate to give up Deng or Noah !! It's awful !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I agree, but I'm not giving up Asik for Gordon. Thats is not a sacrifice, thats suicide.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    and no one would refuse to give up Deng & Noah to get Howard. That's silly.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I was speaking metaphorically, and using a bit of hyperbole as well, but I would only want him on the 2nd unit. Nothing against him really, but we can't win if he is one of our top 2 scorers.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    why can't we win if he is one of our 2 top scorer ? besides believe me if he comes back in chicago, he will be our 2nd best scorer. He won't only play with the 2nd unit. He will also play the whole 2nd and 4th quarter !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    b/c he hurts he in too many other areas. He needs to be a spark plug and only that. You want him playing D on Wade to close a game? You want LeBron all in his grill and BG7 dribbling off his foot or getting his shot swatted into the 42nd row? He's not a great passer either.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    its going to be very difficult for a team in the east to beat this Heat team over the next 5 years. Bulls are going to have to be very creative and bold with some of their moves if they ever want to have a chance at beat the Heat in the playoffs. The defense is there but the offense will be the key to being in the same conversation as the Heat.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    they can't hit their shots all the time. what they're doing now is ridiculous.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    i would agree but the same thing was said about Jordan and Pippin and this is Riley's version of those 2 in Wade and Lebron.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    those 2 on defense plus their offensive transition game is starting to look lethal.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Worth noting that if they Bulls get Dallas' 32 free throws they win games 4 and 5 and possibly game 3. It's not like Dallas are a good free throw team, they actually got slightly fewer per field goal attempt than the Bulls during the regular season. But come playoffs they've pushed their average up (like most teams) and the Bulls stayed flat.

    If the Bulls learn to "sell calls" (ie flop/cheat/whine like everyone else in the league) they'll go a long way to being able to beat the Heat.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Good piece, but Bulls internet land is really getting me down today. I rather wish we'd stop looking for answers in the past and move forward. We could do worse than Gordon, for sure, but I still don't want his deal that badly. The #8 pick is a total pipedream. I love Ben, Kirk, Tyson and the good ol' days, but the future lies elsewhere for Rose & the Bulls.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You are delusional! The Bulls lost to Boston in 2009.
    I repeat, BULLS LOST in 7 games. Bulls did not upset Boston.
    And that was without Kevin Garnett.
    Your belief that Ben Gordon is a closer is equally accurate.

  • In reply to Edward:

    BG was never a closer ? are kidding ?

  • In reply to Edward:

    that's why i love him :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-yyO_O81iY

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Gordon gets a lot of shit from fans which basically comeo down to the fact that he is a tweener, blessed with neither sg size nor pg speed. I dont know how much of this his fault (ok, his ball handling could be better), but he certainly wasnt doggin it out there on there court like bozo. He deserves more respect for what he brought to the team. Someone said ray allen matched him shot for shot in the boston series, so what? that's ray fuckin allen, Bogans probably can't match nate robinson shot for shot.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    +1000000 !!! I've never understood why he is hated in chicago. He was the leading scorer during 5 years, he had never been injury prone in chicago (had played at least 78 games). Most of all what i like with him unlike Deng is his regularity (He rarely had 2 bad games in row with the bulls).

    Matching Ray Allen in a game isn't given to anybody !

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    I think if the Bulls can get BG back they should go for it, WHY??? cause Gordon would be that extra piece to a championship puzzle, let's just look at him being a younger Ray Allen. We all know Thibs wants to build the Bulls in the image of the 2008 Celtics and Gordon would only be a piece to a puzzle that needs to be completed. I still don't like the tandem of Noah and Boozer playing together because of Boozer's inability to play defense. Bulls should still look to trade this guy if they can get some sucker team to take him, and that's a big IF. J.R. Smith I believe could be had cause Denver I don't think can resign him and the other free agents they have to resign. Smith although a head case at times has some serious talent and I think if put in the right situation and on a winning team that he knows has the potential to win a championship, he would be an ideal fit with the Bulls chemistry. He would give Wade fits on the defensive end of the court and on the offensive as well. It's a puzzle guys... J.R. Smith could start along with Rose in the backcourt and BG off the bench... now that would be some serious offense to deal with.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And because I am a basketball fan, I am watching the Finals and any team that wants to beat the Heat has to be able to stretch the floor. That's how Dallas has been able to lead for most of game 1. Also a team has to have an inside presence.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    If we resign Bogans, why are you assuming Brewer would start? We had Brewer and Bogans all year this year, and Thibs started Bogans 82 more times than he started Brewer...

  • In reply to goldfinger0014:

    Good point. I'm sure Bogans still has those compromising pics of Thibs in his back pocket!

  • In reply to goldfinger0014:

    Keith Bogans was a solid scorer in college for a team in need of scoring. He did it with muscle mainly, but it was not scoring that was going to translate easily to NBA.

    As for Burks, he is not a great shooter from 3 yet, but he has nice form, nice free throw percentage, and has improved significantly in his time.

    While Burks could be nobody, the potential is there. He played some backup pg last year, a good shooter in mid-range, he can create for others, has a nice shot form, can create on shot, plays hard D, and is a good athlete. If he can increase his shooting percentage, he will be a good player in the NBA.

    As for Gordon, people forget how unforgettably clutch he was. The guy hit big shots easily. He is always a threat anytime and while not a great creator, he can create a little.

    I actually think with Gordon, we beat the Heat. Teams would have had to respect Rose kick outs and he would have had more openings with Gordon in the game.

    The other thing is if we get someone such as a Gordon, Crawford, we can use them more effectively than Kyle Korver to be a scorer and give Deng a few more minutes of breather or even Rose.

    Who is more of a threat to play with the 2nd team; Deng or Gordon? Korver or Gordon?

    As for defense, Gordon is not worst than Korver. Korver guards players such as Mike Miller a little better, but Gordon could be put on Mario Chalmers and other point guards without being as beat as easily as Korver.

    Either way, this won't happen, but it is fun to discuss.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Heat are going to win this c'ship....The refs seem to do this in every game. Give them a bunch of foul calls to change the momentum. They screwed the MAVS and when LeBron makes a foul...they have to discuss for five minutes to make sure it's a foul.

    Unless, the MAVS beat the Heat like the Bulls did in Game 1 for 4 times, they are not winning.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Dallas have held the Heat to 37% shooting and have more free throw makes than the Heat have attempts and are still losing. Tyson Chandler has to take a lot of the blame, only 4 rebounds when that's his job out there.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I just emailed Sam Smith from bulls.com about it and he replied quite promptly saying Detroit "has no such interest". So this discussion is now pointless if you give any creedence to his insights.

    Also asked him what Rose will work on this summer. I was hoping he'd say 3pt shooting but his response was: "everything"

  • In reply to JonoHimself:

    Well if Sam Smith says Detroit has no interest I now expect this trade to happen. ;)

  • In reply to JonoHimself:

    This trade would be so awesome and with Alec Burks on board, we would be set for a long-time; obviously the CBA would change that, but we would be instant Championship faves.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Did you see Lebron elbow Barea in the freakin' face? Would have given him a 3rd first quarter foul but he had already lodged his protest with the refs so nothing was called (which in itself would have got Taj Gibson 3 technicals). Miami also seem to have run a clinic perfecting the flamboyant offensive foul flop.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I should ask, is this discussion based on an actual rumor or is it simply a way to talk about the nba without making any reference to the finals (which I have no idea when they even start and wont be watching).

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    What finals? Isn't the season over?

  • In reply to Edward:

    exactly why I would only want him with our 2nd unit. Not to open games, not to close them.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If he

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    even if they do that they're not getting past the Heat,I know its a long shot but everybody on that roster is tradeable except for DRose. Noah Gibson & 3 1st round pics to Orlando for Dwight Howard & JJ Redick.Trade Redick & Deng to Memphis for OJ Mayo. Brewer become a 3. this 2nd unit can be re-tooled its not as good as you think,Your lineup OJ Mayo,DRose,Ronnie Brewer,Carlos Boozer(no one taking that contract)& Dwight Howard then lets see Lebron & Wade try going to the paint

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I have a couple of concerns with Ben Gordon:

    a) Is his falloff in Detroit permanent? Not all players follow the same career arc, sometimes players fall off a cliff in what should be their prime. Can we rely on the 40% from three Ben Gordon from his time here or will be get the big pile of suck from Detroit Ben Gordon?
    b) How does he defend LeBron on a switch? I have no problems with Ben Gordon defensively, and on Wade he's something I'd be OK with, but he just doesn't have the size if they use the same thing they did with Korver and force the switch onto LeBron.

    Salary doesn't bother me one bit because the Bulls wont be under the cap anyway. Really the only thing is the opportunity cost, but I'm not sure there's going to be a better trade out there. So maybe even with these concerns I'd do the trade anyway, because I think Korver can't help against the Heat and we're effectively getting the #8 pick for him and if Gordon contributes anything it's a bonus.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Double LIKE!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Nothing about this appeals to me in the slightest.

    I think you're understating the negatives by a considerable amount.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'd be a lot more excited about potential trades and picks if the CBA expiring/potential lockout wasn't looming. If we got No.8 and took Alec Burkes I'd be excited. As for our own picks I was hoping for Reggie Jackson and Klay Thompson, but they've moved up. Right now Charles Jenkins and JuJuan Johnson look like the best available to me.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Detroit wouldn't do this deal though. You would have to give them one of Gibson or Asik, which I would be willing to do since your getting the 8th pick in the draft

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Coming from you that's kinda funny

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why pay twice as much for something already on the roster? Despite the mythic revisionist history, BG was no more "clutch" than Korver. Remembering the three shots he made instead of the 7 he missed when it counted doesn't make him good. And no, he can't put the ball on the floor either. The bulls would be a lot better off to try and get Rip and his two year deal in the same scenario. Why seemingly intelligent basketball people get hung up on BG is beyond me...

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    And the idea that BG is a better defender than Korver is maybe the most outrageous thing I've read this year. C'mon... Neither of them has any business being alone on the perimeter against an nba quality scorer.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    what have i been saying on your blog all season doug?!! Ben Gordon needs to be back on the Bulls and its hugely possible.

  • Hell, I might do that WITHOUT the pick........

  • if the Nuggets are giving away Felton I would take him over Gordon

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Felton wants to be a starter which is why the Nuggets are considering trading him. He's not starting on the Bulls so why would he be happy here?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    He can be a starter on a mediocre team or actually chase a ring here. I guess it comes down to priorities, which seems to be minutes.

  • if they did get Gordon back,theres no way in hell he should come off the bench. he'd be the best shooter on the team by leaps and bounds, and theres no reason he shouldn't start.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    That is the only way I have ever wanted Gordon, or ever would want him.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    You bring him off the bench to balance your scoring and to balance your defensive liability.

  • Two fluke seasons though?

  • Sure he would be a "gracious" winner, however a loss would certainly be "humbling" for him. Either way I hope he picks up a "dictionary" this summer.

  • I don't really care how much of a hole Detroit is, Gordon chose to go there, maybe he should have thought of that before he signed the deal.

    Here's my problem with the pecking order argument: Rose's excuse for shooting a crap percentage is he's expected to do too much, Gordon's is he's not expected to do enough. People always want to make excuses and to shift the blame on to team mates when it's really up to the player to take care of their own game.

    I'm not complaining Gordon is no longer a 20 PPG scorer, he hasn't had the chance to do that, but this year he put up the worst assist, turnover and free throw rates of his career. Those are rate stats so it has nothing to do with not getting minutes or touches. Maybe he just needs a new situation, but maybe he's just a player declining early. He certainly wouldn't be the first below star level player to become a non entity before the end of his first big contract.

  • I'm saying I don't know the reasons either, I said I'd do this deal, but unlike some I think the #8 pick is the prize in the deal and Gordon is something I'd not expect much from and if he returns to form then it's a bonus.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I don't think Gordon is a prize, but I do think he's an upgrade over Korver in pretty much all aspects, so there's no downside to it except money.

    However, as you note, JR should be in "buy" mode.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I agree he's better than Korver, I'm just saying I don't expect a lot from him against the Heat for much the same reason as it was hard to get Korver out there on the floor.

  • If you're asking a group of people to just give LeBron a break I think coming to the fans of the team he just beat is a poor choice.

  • "The gentleman" is one of many thinly veiled disguises he wears, or characters he plays. All I'm asking of hi is to learn the damn meaning of the word humble. Is that too much to ask? I know he is not very bright, but its a fairly simple word to grasp, and he's convinced it means the exact opposite as it does to the word the rest of society has agreed upon.

    No, ya know what?
    F*@! THAT! HE'S A BIG TIME DOUCHE THAT'S WHY!

  • Seriously, the guy is a egotistical jerk. He's the kind of guy who steps on people without purpose just because he's a big shot and can.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I'm sure we all remember this, but just a reminder of how Lebron treats folks.

    http://youtu.be/HjXQCT47EAc

  • First, let me preface everything by saying that I don't think LeBron was necessarily wrong to go to Miami to play with his friends. His life, his career choice. If he does get a ring as a result, it would seem to have been the right choice for him.

    That said, he is a total douche. Remember that video of the kid from Xavier who threw it down over LeBron in a fantasy camp. Me neither...because LeBron's handlers made sure it was confiscated.

    Hiding behind kids on national tv to try and deflect criticism was a nice touch, too. When you're taking plays out of the terrorist/evil dictator playbook, you've sunk pretty low.

    LeBron may very well be the most talented all-around player the league has ever seen. However, his multitude of personality flaws will stop him from ever being as revered as a Magic, Bird, MJ or many other all-time-greats.

    LeBron reminds me a helluva lot of Rickey Henderson and Carl Lewis. In terms of performance, both were unparalleled, but because of their personalities, you don't hear much about them.

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