Boozer by the Numbers

Boozer by the Numbers

As the playoffs began, I wrote that it looked like Bulls forward Carlos
Boozer might be knocking on the (fans') "doghouse" door.  After 7
playoff games, it's clear that he's firmly established his residence
there, though we hope not permanently.  During last night's game 2 win
over Hawks, Boozer was booed repeatedly by the fans, causing teammate
Joakim Noah and head coach Tom Thibodeau to plead for fans to give
Carlos a break...yeah, that'll work.
Hurt, Bad or Both?

Boozer suffered a "turf toe" injury during the second quarter of the
Bulls' closeout victory of the Indiana Pacers 9 days ago.  No doubt,
this can be a very painful and limiting injury, particularly for an
athlete the size (6-9, 258lbs) of Boozer.  However, Boozer's detractors
are quick to point out that he didn't exactly shine against the Pacers
before the injury (10 points, 10 rebounds and 3 turnovers per game for
the series).

Last summer, Boozer signed a 5-year contract estimated at $75million,
the richest in team history.  He came with some baggage, chiefly a
reputation for being injury-prone and a less-than-willing
defender...he's lived up to his rep on these counts.  However, he also
had a solid track record for being a near-elite low-post scorer and a
beast on the glass.  While his 17.5 points/game average this season was
right around his career number (17.3ppg), he was down in nearly every
other category and his 54.2% "True Shooting Percentage (TS%)" was the
second-lowest in his 9-year NBA career.

Stats Though 7 Playoff Games

Still, one of the main reasons the Bulls paid what they did for Boozer
was the playoffs, where the game becomes much more of a half-court
affair and the value of reliable inside scoring is at a premium. 
Despite the fact that scoring is generally down during the playoffs,
Boozer came into this postseason with an impressive playoff resume,
averaging nearly 20 points and 13 rebounds per game and putting up an
impressive "Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of just under 20 in his
previous 4 playoff appearances.

So far has very definitely not been so good for Boozer in these 2011
playoffs.  Stunningly bad is a term that comes to mind.  In 7 games,
Boozer has averaged just over 31 minutes per game (close to his season
average of 31.9) with points and rebounding numbers holding steady at
the 10-10 he posted against the Pacers.  Since he figured to be the
clear-cut #2 scoring option (behind Derrick Rose) in these playoffs, the
fact that he is currently 4th on the team in playoff points (behind
Rose, Luol Deng and Noah and just ahead of Kyle Korver's 9.4 who plays
less than 2/3 of Boozer's minutes) has to be a concern for Thibodeau. 

The truth is that Boozer's 10-10 is misleading...he's played much worse
than this.  His TS% so far in these playoffs is a downright embarrassing
42.7%, ranking him 10th of the 12 players on the Bulls' roster, ahead
of only C.J. Watson (under 10 minutes per game) and Omer Asik (only 5
minutes per game).    He's second on the team (behind Rose) with 16
turnovers, but his turnover percentage of 15.9% is higher than Rose's
13.8% and is the worst among the team's starters.

Assists?  Steals?  Blocks?  No matter where you look, it's bad.  When
you roll all the stats up John Hollinger-Style, you come out with a 9.6
playoff PER...4th worst on the Bulls playoff squad and dead last among
players averaging 10+ minutes per game.

Go Carlos!

My purpose here isn't to trash Boozer, but rather to make the point that
Boozer's performance so far in these playoffs isn't simply a matter of
an 18 point scorer dropping to 10 points.  It's more serious than that. 
If the total quality of Boozer's playoff game doesn't begin to
at least vaguely resemble the postseason Boozer of old, I believe that
the Bulls chances for a title very nearly become slim and none.

Those of you who attend the games have a right to boo whoever you want. 
Personally, I wish you wouldn't boo Carlos.  We need this guy to come
around...badly.  Besides, anyone who thought that the booing would
somehow motivate Boozer to return to form pretty much saw that plan
crash and burn last night.

This shouldn't be a problem for the next 2 games in Atlanta, but I
encourage all true Bulls' fans to begin practicing their game 5 Boozer
cheers.  C'mon, make that "Z" harder...harder, so Carlos can hear it!

Well, it couldn't hurt.

Tom Nossem

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  • I think the boos aren't to convince Carlos to play better but rather to convince Thibodeau to play Gibson.

    You're entirely spot on with everything you said though. I tend to believe Boozer is simply hurt. You look at him on "explosive" plays towards the basket, and he's barely getting high enough to dunk now.

    I don't think Boozer lost 6 inches of vertical in the last month because of age. I think it really goes back to the ankle injury a month or so ago.

    I do agree though that unless Boozer turns it around or Thibodeau gives us a heavy dose of Gibson the Bulls are in trouble. It's gotten bad enough you almost hope for two fouls quickly on him just to get him out of the game.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Good Analysis Doug,

    "I don't think Boozer lost 6 inches of vertical in the last month because of age. I think it really goes back to the ankle injury a month or so ago."

    He certainly can't jump well now. Glad you mentioned the loss of 6 inches of vertical jump. It's not age, it's an injury.

    Ever the MVP, Derrick Rose made some very nice assists to Boozer last night to get him going a bit in the paint.

    When athletes are injured we learn something about their talent, their desire. Rose is hurt, altering his game ever so slightly, and still contributing mightily.

    Here's hoping Carlos Boozer finds his way to contributing more to the team. And yes I agree with you Doug. Boozer is injured. Here's hoping he can play through the injury.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    he was getting most of his attempts at the rim blocked way before the injuries happenned.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Doug, as I replied earlier today to your blog, I don't believe the negativity towards Boozer is based solely on current physical limitations. He is not, IMO, "simply hurt." His play has deteriorated over the past few months. This involves more to his game (or lack, thereof) than just purported injuries. (And yes, a player can fall off a cliff relatively quickly. Richard Jefferson, Rashard Lewis and our pal Ben Wallace come to mind.)

    I believe fans sense that he is lazy and lacks heart. I have yet to see him take one lateral step to take a charge. He literally pretends to play defense, just going through the motions. Have you ever heard him admit to a poor performance? On offense he is often out of position, fumbles passes, commits unnecessary fouls, and complains constantly to the refs.

    I do notice that Boozer is always perfectly groomed. He does a great job shaving his armpits. And that shimmy is world class. He taunts opponents and always plays the victim. This is why many Utah fans said good riddance to him.

    Of course, Bulls players and management are supporting Boozer. They should. But I am just a fan and nobody is going to tell me what is obvious. Boozer just plain stinks.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    I'm not telling you to support Boozer either, and I agree with the majority of your complaints.

    I'm only adding that in addition to the known problems with Boozer's game that I believe he is presently limited beyond that as well.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I think as true Bulls fans, we should NOT be booing Boozer (just yet). After all, this is the playoffs, and if he doesn't perform, we might as well pack it up against Miami. He should be a person that's able to create his own offense, and as you can see against Indiana and the Hawks, we need it badly.

    Face the facts, it doesn't matter if you like Boozer, or even think he's trying. We NEED him to win. End of story. So let's stop complaining (for now) and hope he plays better. Now, once the off season starts, that's a whole other story....

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    +100

    I'm sure that's why Thibodeau is continuing to start Boozer - COTY doesn't think we can cut it with Taj starting. How CAN we get Boozer playing better? I like having him around the foul line and running some post offense through Jo, but I'm not a player, you guys tell ME.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    I support Boozer as well as the whole team and I am against booing at all times. What does it help? Thibs is not going to change his mind. The 20,000 Einsteins should've known better...It's about time we all support the team no matter what. Obviously we know the flaws, but every team has its flaws. GO BULLS!!!

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    I also believe that Rose's style of play doesn't suit Boozer's very much. A typical play that Boozer excels is the one he dunked over Josh Smith in Game 1. When he's coming down the free-throw line and finishes at the rim.

  • In reply to fsalomon:

    Anyone notice how Noah, no offensive genious was able to score against Smith at will in the paint last night.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    Allow me to start off by saying I never agreed with signing Boozer in the 1st place. My 1st choice was obviously Lebron, then Wade or Joe Johnson. If not one of them I feel the bulls would have been better off just keeping their money and sticking with Taj. As for the allstar bigs; Amare has a history of being injury proned, Bosh wouldnt have fit well with Noah, and Boozer is injury proned, undersized and overrated. Yet we pay this guy a 75million contract to give us 2 points in an NBA playoff game.

    This is the reason the Stern and the NBA owners want a hard cap, because these guys are getting paid way too much money to underperform and it's hurting the league both financially and the entertainment value.

    It doesn't look good for the home team fans to boo Boozer but can you blame them? We understand he hurt his toe but he's been playing poorly for several months but we all hoped he would get it together by playoff time. Honestly I think Thibs should start Taj and just bench Boozer. So what if he looses confidence, he's already playing with no confidence. A little tough love may be good for him. Atleast Taj won't slow down the game.

  • In reply to ajay708:

    Last night, I told my boy that as a fan, I would go with Taj. But, if I'm in Thib's shoes, I would ride my proven all-star until the end even if he's been playing like Boozer has.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Even Thibs isn't playing Boozer when it counts, like the final minutes of the game.

    As the playoffs progress every minute counts more an more. If we get to the wrong end of a close out game, it will be interesting to see how much confidence thibs has in BTB(Bozo the Boozer).

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    I understand, but I don't think it helps him or the team either. If Thibs isn't putting Korver in for Bogans (who is a "glue" guy whatever) he isn't doing that with Boozer...

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    My guess is that if Boozer didn't scream like a champanzee everytime he is involved in a play the fans might be less likely to boo his useless performance.

    When you attract so much attention to yourself with clown like behaviour and then perform like a clown also, you should expect to be booed.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    It would be wise for him to start up a charity campaign, donating money everytime he screams "gimme that"!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    While Boozer's game is definitely lacking energy, I will cut him some slack by saying I believe he is truly injured and is trying his best. But he hasn't been injured all year and with that being said, I still say either his game does not fit the Bulls system because Rose has to do too much of the scoring for the team therefore Rose can't really set Boozer up for his shots all of the time. This is why Boozer and Derron Williams worked so well together because Williams set Boozer up for the Majority of his points. If the Bulls can some how pick up some better perimeter player this summer that can take some of the pressure off of Rose to score, we just may see a better game from Boozer. I really do think all of the Boozer bashing comes from the Bulls lack of consistent scoring from the perimeter which will probably be their down fall at some point in this years playoffs. I hope that I am wrong about the Bulls possible shortcomings but until they can smooth out the offense, things wont get any better.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And the other part I forgot to mention in my last statement is Boozer I think needs to spend part of his summer in Chicago trying to condition his body better by working with Tim Grover, if the Bulls plan on keeping him.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Agree. Boozer is definitely hurt and is now probably low on confidence. And on top of it, we have a 62 win team in the second round of the playoffs. There is a lot of pressure on him to perform. Let's face it...he is like Bosh in terms of impact on a team. He is trying his best but as long as he has the trust of Rose, Noah and Deng...he will be fine.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Agreed. Like I said, something's wrong with the guy. The guy wasn't an All Star and Olympic Gold medalist for no reason...he is ONLY 29. We can't do the same thing to him that we did to Deng. Not everybody reacts that well after years of bashing...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    It makes me mad to hear sometimes Boozer can't play, he is too small, korber can

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    When you don't do anything fundamentally sound on defense you are not trying your best, injury or not.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    well said. The guy don't even jump to contest shots. He is LAZY. That's the word. So lazy that you can't be kind with him when he injured. you know i mean ?!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    While I do agree with you guys, there's no since of bashing him cause the Bulls are in the mist of a playoff series trying to move to the ECF. I said a long time ago at the beginning of the season when I noticed Boozer' s game that he didn't fit with this Bulls team. He's with the Bulls now so let's all just support the team and hopefully when the season is over the Bulls will do their best to do what's best for the team this summer.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I have no desire to make excuses for Boozer, and I agree with many of the points in this article and in the comments.
    However, I often times feel that our fans forget where the bar was "supposed" to be set.
    That just because he's struggling right now and not playing up to par in a number of areas, that automatically makes him the scapegoat when anything goes bad with our team.
    Someone else misses an assignment, it's somehow Boozer's fault ... etc.
    There ARE other players on our team who make mistakes.
    I think we'd all do ourselves a favor if we remembered where that bar was supposed to be and not place it much higher than reality would suggest it should be.

    Given Boozer's current health and struggles, here are a few things I'd like to see from him.

    1. Focus on the FT line. His FT% has gone up a bit in the playoffs and I'd like to see him continue to focus in at the FT line. It's a solid way to improve confidence and be of help to the team at the same time. Don't become a liability on the floor because you're not comfortable at the line.

    2. Protect our defensive glass. His scoring is struggling, but his rebounds have remained good. Keep them off the offensive boards and we should always have a decent chance to win games.

    3. Patience when he gets the ball. The more patient he is when he gets the ball, the better he seems to do. He seems to be rushing things many times. He has advantages over the guys he's going against, and it takes patience to take advantage of them.

    4. Which leads to focusing on ball possession. Boozer turned the ball over during the regular season on silly passes that he would throw away or that would go through his hands about once a game. Now it feels more like 2 or 3 times a game. Focus on that ball.

    I don't really care if Boozer scores anywhere near 20ppg for us this postseason. We obviously need him to be an offensive threat out there. But I care, a lot more, that he's not a detriment to the team when he's on the floor.
    So when he isn't getting the job done on the defensive end of the floor, I have no problem with Thibs getting him out of the game and putting Taj in.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    unfortunately, as Doug has pointed out in the past, many if not most of BTB's defensive rebounds come after he has bailed out on playing defense and retreated to be in position to get the rebound. He really never bothers to block anybody out either which might allow a teammate to grab a board. His rebounding just doesn't seem anywhere near as valuable as Noah's and Noah is doing so while running around trying to cover 5 guys on one play.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    What is the aim for us fans here?

    In my opinion it is to support and (constructively) critise our team to try to do as best as the team can and hopefully win it all.

    Booing Carlos DOES NOT support yout TEAM. Everyone agrees he is struggling and he IS playing hurt. Will Taj get us to the finals and win it all? Sadly I think not. He may be performing better than Carlos is at present but if we want to make it to the ECF get by Miami and then beat the Thunder/Mavs? in the Finals we will ONLY be able to do that with Carlos contributing. The question is how do you get Booz to contribute better than he is to give us a chance of achieving more than we had all wished for at the start of the season?
    I think most of us would have said ECF at the start of the season was our aim so to achieve that means we have performed up to pre-season expectations. Throughout the latter part of the season (with JoNO injured and Carlos playing well I might add) the team went from a predicted mid 50s win team to League best record 62 win team. Therefore our expectations from ECF have (rightly) increased where now we expect our 62 win team to make the NBA Finals and even win it all. I don't think we would have been a 62 win team with Taj starting so some credit to Carlos has to be given here. But the big question is

    How does Thibs manage Carlos in this very tight schedule to allow him to get back on track so he becomes a positive for the team?

    If you are booing at Carlos you are actually booing at Thibs (because he put him in the game injured) and the rest of the players (who all appreciate what Carlos is going through but also know to beat Miami/OKC/Dallas? they will need Carlos playing well to do that).

    Stop the booing. Support the TEAM.

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    THANK YOU. Finally...

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    What is the aim for us fans here?

    In my opinion it is to support and (constructively) critise our team to try to do as best as the team can and hopefully win it all.

    Booing Carlos DOES NOT support yout TEAM. Everyone agrees he is struggling and he IS playing hurt. Will Taj get us to the finals and win it all? Sadly I think not. He may be performing better than Carlos is at present but if we want to make it to the ECF get by Miami and then beat the Thunder/Mavs? in the Finals we will ONLY be able to do that with Carlos contributing. The question is how do you get Booz to contribute better than he is to give us a chance of achieving more than we had all wished for at the start of the season?
    I think most of us would have said ECF at the start of the season was our aim so to achieve that means we have performed up to pre-season expectations. Throughout the latter part of the season (with JoNO injured and Carlos playing well I might add) the team went from a predicted mid 50s win team to League best record 62 win team. Therefore our expectations from ECF have (rightly) increased where now we expect our 62 win team to make the NBA Finals and even win it all. I don't think we would have been a 62 win team with Taj starting so some credit to Carlos has to be given here. But the big question is

    How does Thibs manage Carlos in this very tight schedule to allow him to get back on track so he becomes a positive for the team?

    If you are booing at Carlos you are actually booing at Thibs (because he put him in the game injured) and the rest of the players (who all appreciate what Carlos is going through but also know to beat Miami/OKC/Dallas? they will need Carlos playing well to do that).

    Stop the booing. Support the TEAM.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    What is the aim for us fans here?

    In my opinion it is to support and (constructively) critise our team to try to do as best as the team can and hopefully win it all.

    Booing Carlos DOES NOT support yout TEAM. Everyone agrees he is struggling and he IS playing hurt. Will Taj get us to the finals and win it all? Sadly I think not. He may be performing better than Carlos is at present but if we want to make it to the ECF get by Miami and then beat the Thunder/Mavs? in the Finals we will ONLY be able to do that with Carlos contributing. The question is how do you get Booz to contribute better than he is to give us a chance of achieving more than we had all wished for at the start of the season?
    I think most of us would have said ECF at the start of the season was our aim so to achieve that means we have performed up to pre-season expectations. Throughout the latter part of the season (with JoNO injured and Carlos playing well I might add) the team went from a predicted mid 50s win team to League best record 62 win team. Therefore our expectations from ECF have (rightly) increased where now we expect our 62 win team to make the NBA Finals and even win it all. I don't think we would have been a 62 win team with Taj starting so some credit to Carlos has to be given here. But the big question is

    How does Thibs manage Carlos in this very tight schedule to allow him to get back on track so he becomes a positive for the team?

    If you are booing at Carlos you are actually booing at Thibs (because he put him in the game injured) and the rest of the players (who all appreciate what Carlos is going through but also know to beat Miami/OKC/Dallas? they will need Carlos playing well to do that).

    Stop the booing. Support the TEAM.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    What is the aim for us fans here?

    In my opinion it is to support and (constructively) critise our team to try to do as best as the team can and hopefully win it all.

    Booing Carlos DOES NOT support yout TEAM. Everyone agrees he is struggling and he IS playing hurt. Will Taj get us to the finals and win it all? Sadly I think not. He may be performing better than Carlos is at present but if we want to make it to the ECF get by Miami and then beat the Thunder/Mavs? in the Finals we will ONLY be able to do that with Carlos contributing. The question is how do you get Booz to contribute better than he is to give us a chance of achieving more than we had all wished for at the start of the season?
    I think most of us would have said ECF at the start of the season was our aim so to achieve that means we have performed up to pre-season expectations. Throughout the latter part of the season (with JoNO injured and Carlos playing well I might add) the team went from a predicted mid 50s win team to League best record 62 win team. Therefore our expectations from ECF have (rightly) increased where now we expect our 62 win team to make the NBA Finals and even win it all. I don't think we would have been a 62 win team with Taj starting so some credit to Carlos has to be given here. But the big question is

    How does Thibs manage Carlos in this very tight schedule to allow him to get back on track so he becomes a positive for the team?

    If you are booing at Carlos you are actually booing at Thibs (because he put him in the game injured) and the rest of the players (who all appreciate what Carlos is going through but also know to beat Miami/OKC/Dallas? they will need Carlos playing well to do that).

    Stop the booing. Support the TEAM.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    You are correct, Boozer is not a guy who can get his own shot. He needs to get his points in the flow of the game. So Far the Bulls don't seem to know this, they seem to think that they can isolate him and let him go to work. This only results in 2 things, a turnover or a fade away jump shot, not exactly dominant post play.

    He is better served by a true point guard type, like Williams or Chris Paul.

    Derrick Rose may be the best player paying the point guard position, but he is not the best point guard.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I know I keep harping on about it, but before Boozer hurt his ankle against the Heat he was putting up about the same numbers as he did last year with Williams (slightly more volume on slightly worse FG%).

    Boozer's problem isn't that he needs Williams not Rose, it's that he needs to be healthy.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    It is ridiculous to start talking about Boozer's looks and his talk etc... Some people just hate Boozer and it is ridiculous to hate him for the money. As Doug has told several times, the Bulls will be over the luxury tax anyhow...it doesn't really matter how big his contract is.
    The only issue I would have with Boozer is his passing. He did make a great pass to Noah yesterday. He needs to handle the ball and pass it better out of semi-double team he attracts. If only Korver was starting with Boozer and Rose, that should help. I can't understand when supposedly we have two players who can attract double-teams and two good jump-shooters(Deng, Korver) cannot make some easy shots consistently.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    This

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I dont hate Boozer and dont like the booing personally but its not unfair. I dont even mind him starting. I think the bottom line for me is that he should come out of the game sooner and Taj should be playing more minutes until Boozer shows he getting healthy enough to finish dunks.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    My theory about his "selfish" rebounding is because he was a second round pick and he had to put up stats to get that big contract. We all know that offensive stats get you money in the NBA rather than defensive stats. I guess that at this stage of his career, he is probably not selfish for stats. But, his old "bad" habits which helped him get that big contract is difficult to break.
    Plus, obviously his injuries have hurt him...trip over his gym bag-> not much training camp and syncing with the team, ankle injury because of Kwame Brown's stupid foul-> no jump in his legs which all has led to a bit of being under-conditioned physically. We need to hope that Boozer gets mentally tough to face this. Realistically, his teams have been never expected to compete for a championship in Cleveland and Utah. So, he has to learn to get a little mentally tough which goes with winning a championship(criticisms, playing through injuries) and he obviously is trying to get mentally tough.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Thank you John for stating what should be obvious to anyone with eyes and an open mind, and has been obvious from nearly the beginning.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    agreed. boozer has a behavior issue. To make it short: not only he is always injured but he isn't a kind of player who would give up his leg fo the team (like noah or Rose). we all know he is a poor defender but currently he is barely producing. On top of that, he s always injured. I agree with you, it's isn't only because of injurie but also behavior and talent.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Yep, can't get to that second foul fast enough. When the 2 B's leave we can officially start the comeback.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Too bad Thibs is so stubborn, I'd love to see the Bulls start a game with Taj & Korver, with Boozer and Bogans coming off the bench.

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  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agreed, except the problem goes back to the first ankle injury. The second one is just the icing on the cake that completely killed his game, but he wasn't the Carlos Boozer we hoped we'd signed (and got to see for a brief period) even after the first one.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The funny thing I hear is Boozer cannot play against length. Well, he is 6-8 and I don't think there are any power forwards who are shorter than that. Does he struggle against 7-1+ players more? Probably, that's what the general opinion I guess. But, he struggled against the Lakers(lot of PF/Centers did until this playoffs) and was pretty decent against many other teams.
    I saw the article on ESPN where Horace Grant tells the reporter that Boozer should sit if he is hurt and not contributing. That's probably correct. He should stuff his ego in his beard and just tell Thibs that he needs to sit for the series. It has been 10 days since his turf toe injury. That injury should heal in two weeks if internet analysis is true.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Fun fact: For all his supposed struggles against the Lakers Boozer has better career stats against the Lakers than against the Hawks, Heat or Celtics.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The reality is Boozer is hurt and not in a rhythm/learning a new offense with a new PG for him.
    Will all this happen next year? The probability is less although everybody's first inclination and comment would be that with Boozer there is always some injury to derail his season.
    We just have to swallow our Boozer hate/love and wait for next year.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Good article. Boozer should back on track if not bulls will have hard time against the heat. Thibs should rather start Gibson like horace said. Boozer isn't producing at all. When he gets the ball, it ends up as a turnover or an offensive foul. Let's give Gibson a chance and trade Boozer in the summer even if it will be tough to get rid of him.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Managing egos is why Phil Jackson has 11 rings and Skiles will never get one, even though (IMO) Skiles is a better coach than Phil Jackson. The coach isn't primarily there to coach in the NBA, they're there to baby-sit 12 overgrown children who are rich and famous and think the world revolves around them and they're entitled to whatever they want.

    That's why Thibs wont be benching Boozer.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Skiles a better coach than phil ??!! never mind. So if i got well what you said, you mean Thibs is not enough courageous to bench Boozer ? if it's that u wanted said then i disagree with you. Just look how much pressure he had about the bogans' problem when everybody told him to bench bogans, he didn't give a damn about people. Besides he benched boozer a whole quarter in new jersey.
    My man you're wrong, if Thibs wants, he will do.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I mean as far as actual game strategy goes Skiles is an excellent coach. Easily one of the bets in the league. He seems to fail utterly at managing players for the long haul though. If Skiles hates a guy he'll just bench them and to hell with the consequences, which ends up with players resenting him, the team performance falling apart and he gets fired.

    I think Thibs has a bit more of a sense of the long haul and so he's not going to bench Boozer. You say he's not brave enough, I say there's a fine line between bravery and stupidity. When you have a guy on a big contract for 4 more years you do not want him to turn on you. The reality of the NBA is guaranteed player contracts make coaches easier to replace than players, if the players and a coach get into a war the coach nearly always loses.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    And as far as benching Boozer for a quarter ... there's a huge leap from occasionally leaving him subbed out and replacing him in the starting lineup.

    Occasionally benching Boozer late in the game Thibs can explain it as being a matchup issue, which allows Boozer to save face. There's no way he can spin dropping Boozer from the starting lineup, you drop Boozer from the starting lineup and he's going to be pissed because he's been publicly insulted. Whether his plays deserved it or not is irrelevant.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    ok you've convinced me. let's hope Thibs will decrease much his minutes.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    he's also one of the worst offensive xs & os guys

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    He's never had great offensive talent to really say that. He usually got something decent coming out of timeouts for the Bulls, and Hinrich, Deng & Gordon all played better offensively for him than they have since.

    I'd be interested to see what Skiles could do with a team like the current Knicks. If he could get them playing defense they'd be damn good given you'd think they have the players to make the offense run itself (heck, it practically did after the trade when Melo/Billups decided they were playing their own system and D'Antoni had to drop seven seconds or less).

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Of course I think he'd last about 5 games on the Knicks before the players turned on him, no way do Amare and Melo put up with being repeatedly benched when they miss a defensive rotation.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Boozer is a jackass and not worth anywhere the money that the Bulls are paying him. Unfortunately, unlike the Michael Jordan Bulls, the current crop of players is just good enough to go a ways into the playoffs and, pretty much, screw themselves out of landing another Scottie Pippen in the draft. Rose has his Horace Grant in Deng. He will need a Pippen as well if the Bulls are to actually win a championship and not just do well in the playoffs. It does not look good at this point in time. Maybe, just maybe the Bulls will consider trading Boozer to draft upward just a little, say four or five places. That is, if someone is stupid enough to do that.

  • In reply to Pscottparker1:

    enter the Charlotte pick

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Which wont become good unless the Bobcats suck until the 2016 draft. The Charlotte pick isn't going to help us in the near future.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    so I guess if they traded it, then it would be the 1st time a draft pick was ever traded right?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    It's not going to get you anything great for the same reason it's not very valuable to the Bulls, it's too far in the future. 5 years is a long time in a GM's career, chances are if you trade for that pick even if it turns out to be good you're fired before you get to use it.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I definitely do not agree with the Boos. Why? He is not playing well but we are still winning. Plus he is playing hurt. Yes I agree he needs to play better but I do not think booing someone every time they touch the ball can help him play better. Has to kill the confidence. I do not like booing our players every time they touch the ball. Boo opposing players all u want and former bulls players too. But not current ones. Its not for lack of effort (although his defense is lacking some).

  • In reply to Pscottparker1:

    I would say that Noah is the Horace Grant/Dennis Rodman third wheel, Deng is more likely the Toni Kukoc fourth wheel, and we clearly don't have anything resembling Scottie.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    i only agree with your last paragraph. Things will get worse if thins doesn't start gibson. We can't afford to have our 2nd option playing so bad. I'd rather have gibson on the floor than boozer. because at least gibson can defend unlike boozer.
    But we all know how Thibs is stubborn. I mean he is going to change nothing like he did with bogans.

  • Obviously something is wrong with the guy...We need to go with what we have and hope that we comes back in better shape after the Summer...Look at Zack Randolph...would you believe that the guy would play tha ball he is playing 2 years ago? Something is obviously wrong...

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