Pacers don't go away, but don't win either

Riding home from the game and listening to Vogel talk, again, about how the Pacers played hard and deserved to win, but just couldn't quite do it gave me kind of a chuckle.

Look, you simply can't play the moral victory card three games in a row.   In general, I'm a believer that if a game comes down to the final possession that it's sort of a coin flip anyway, and luck largely determines the outcome.

Not in this case though.

Tie game, Pacers in a two for one on possessions

That's the scenario at the end of this game.   Around 50 seconds left, Pacers ball, you figure if they milk the clock right that they'll get two shots to the Bulls one to end the game. 

Should be a fairly large advantage for the Pacers right?    There was not a doubt in my mind that the Bulls were going to take this game.   Watching it in Indiana, seeing all the hopeful Pacer fans, I felt a bit of sympathy for them.   Their hearts were about to be broken.

Bulls stop.
Rose layup.
Bulls stop.
Game over.

Rose was lousy, Deng was great?   Not so fast

Listening to the post game, it seemed that people think Rose was lousy and Deng played great and stepped up.   Rose didn't shoot the ball well, but the way he controlled the game, and the way the entire Bulls offense flowed through the Pacers huge overcommitment to defend him on the perimeter is still what made the difference.

Look, I'm not ripping Deng, who played some great defense at times and had splashes of quality offensive success.   However, down the stretch he missed a wide open three to give the Bulls a three point lead, and most of his possessions on offense came while getting the ball without a defender within 5 feet of him because Rose outlet to him.

He did a nice job making decisions and scoring for himself or moving the ball a second time for a better shot, but the vibe listening to sports radio was sort of like Deng picked up the Bulls and carried them while Rose was still really doing all the heavy lifting, but the stat line doesn't show it.  

Rose leads the league in hockey assists for sure if they started keeping track of them.

Carlos Boozer can't be healthy can he?

I've never been the biggest fan of Carlos Boozer, but he's not this bad is he?   The ankle has to still be giving him trouble right?    No lift at all in his game right now, no speed, he seemed to miss point blank shot after point blank shot.   He finally managed to get a dunk in the fourth leaving us wondering why that wasn't happening about four or five times early in the game when he was right at the rim.

I've been saying it for awhile, I simply trust Taj Gibson more at the end of games.   The offense isn't going to Boozer in the last three minutes right?   The Bulls are basically initiating everything through Rose at that point.   Given that, they might as well play Gibson and get the benefit of his defense and energy.

Give Boozer some props for a clutch steal near the end of the game though, for all our ripping on him defensively it was great to see him come up with a big defensive play.

Joakim Noah looks like Joakim Noah again

His energy is way up and his impact on the game felt much greater than his stat line to me.   He only had 10 boards, but he seemed to be pulling down heavily contested rebounds all the time.   He had 10 hard boards rather than the kind where no one is there or he's fighting over a teammate for them.

He did a great job on Hibbert defensively, and his defense on the pick and roll to help out on the ball handler was outstanding.    It's great to see Noah getting back on track, because the Bulls are going to need him desperately in the series ahead.

Kyle Korver has been epically clutch and Bogans hits his threes

Korver's 7/8 from the three point line in the playoffs and has a TS% of 86% right now.   That's some bad ass offense right there.   I hope he can keep it rolling as long as possible, and I still think we need to get him more minutes.  The Bulls do not win this game without Kyle Korver's effort in the fourth quarter.  

Bogans wasn't spacing the floor at all, the defense completely ignored him when he was off the ball.   My friend and I charted it at the game to watch how the Pacers followed him off the ball.   The difference tonight was that Bogans killed them for it.

He drilled his open threes, knocking down all three attempts, and that gave the Bulls a huge lift.

Releasing the dobermans

The Bulls defense hasn't always been its best this series, but in the final possession it was simply incredible how much the Bulls smothered the Pacers.   They simply had no chance in hell of getting a quality shot off.

That's the difference between a low tier all-star like Danny Granger and an absolute superstar like Derrick Rose though.   A guy like Granger you can simply shut down with enough attention with a high degree of consistency.  

With Rose, you might be able to stop him, but we've seen him split a double team on the perimeter, then split another double team in the paint immediately afterwards to basically fight through a quadruple team and score.

The Bulls really need a sweep to get some rest

Everyone except for Joakim Noah probably badly needs a rest.   Noah probably needs to continue playing as hard as he can for the next two weeks to stay in his high energy mode, maybe while the rest of the team is resting we can lone him to the Atlanta Hawks or something.

However, Derrick Rose has been getting mugged in this series and could use a break for his knees, Luol Deng has been run into the ground, Carlos Boozer looks like he's playing hurt, and Ronnie Brewer still has the thumb injury which will hopefully heal by the next round.

The Bulls, probably like every team, are a bit beat up right now.   A sweep combined with a long Hawks/Magic series would probably do them wonders. 

Final thoughts

Can Frank Vogel get these guys up again?   Can he play the same "we deserved to win" card over and over again?   Can he get these guys to give their all?   There's an old adage that the series hasn't started until someone loses at home, but if you're the road team, and drop the first home game, it's all over.

The Pacers have no hope to win this thing despite having a chance to win each individual game.   I expect them to come out and play hard, but I look for the Bulls to come out with killer instinct.

The Bulls have never lost a first round playoff game as the #1 seed.   Post that on Derrick's locker, and this one's over.

Final note, Conseco Fieldhouse was a very classy looking stadium, it had a very small town feel to it down to the girl they had mc'ing the game as if it was local event rather than a major production.   The view was nice, the parking was easy (and cheap), the staff and fans at conseco were extraordinarily friendly.   It was just a great atmosphere to take in game.  

Only downside is that the concession and bathroom lines were insane as there weren't nearly enough bathrooms/concession stands in the place due to the size of the stadium.  Left Indy thinking it looked like a great place to live and take in a basketball game though.

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  • I look at Boozer, Noah, Taj and Asik this way:
    1. Boozer's two injuries with ankle has probably caused his lack of explosion. And, maybe he has tailed off in his offense. I am scared that we will see the best Boozer(which might be still bad) until next year.
    2. Noah is the same thing(I hope I am wrong). His injuries has got him out of rhythm on his offense and we will probably not see the November Noah again this year.
    3. If Taj improves his jumper this summer and Boozer sucks again during the season next year, Thibs will probably move him to the bench. The two positions which seem to have a lot of talent in the NBA is the PF and PG(off-course we don't have to worry there).
    4. If Noah struggles and Asik picks up his offense a little bit...maybe they can start splitting minutes from next year.

  • I give Vogel so much credit for the way the Pacers have brought it. They've been well coached. That said, you can't say "it could have gone either way" three games in a row. We have established a pattern that says as much about the team that took the game as the the team that gave it away. Vogel also said that they've got to "keep making this a series." It's 3-0. You've certainly made every game a "game," but it's definitely not a series.

    More Taj, please. He was awesome in the first half.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    Did you hear him say it should be 2-1 or even 2-1 us or even 3-0 us!! WTF Seriously?

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    "It should be..." - the biggest excuse in sports, you hear people say it all the time. What does it even mean? What a pathetic excuse.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Nice recap as usual, Doug.

    Completely agree that DRose's low shooting% was almost irrelevant. He remains the question for which the Pacers simply don't have an answer.

    Thought your assessment of Deng's performance came across as grudging praise at best. I thought Deng played a terrific all-around game, but it was clear that he was playing on weary legs at the end.

    Spot on about Korver. He's been a difference maker. Also good to see Bogans contribute offensively.

  • In reply to Nossem:

    Deng was absolutely gassed in the fourth quarter, he wasn't fighting around screens and Granger was getting open looks as a result. He also wasn't stepping out as the help defender on the pick and roll.

    Never like Deng as a 40 minute guy, he just isn't the type of althlete that Jordan, Pippen, Grant and Rodman were. He really never gives it to you for 4 quarters, he is more of a one quarter or if you are lucky one half guy.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Guess you don't much like Deng.

    FWIW, I find the criticism to be incredibly unfair. This season, Deng was 2nd in the league in minutes. He did this because his coach, probably the COY, just had to have Deng out on the court as much as possible. In game 3, Thibs felt he needed Deng out there 45+ mins. IMO, the problem in game 3 wasn't so much that Deng played 45 mins, but that the stud he was supposed to defend (Granger) only played 34 mins.

    While I agree that Thibs may have tested Deng's limits in game 3, the statement that Deng is "more of a one quarter or if you are lucky one half guy" is patently ridiculous.

  • In reply to Nossem:

    deng might be an 80 minute a night guy on defense. his scoring bursts usually only are for 1.5 quarters.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Silly-ass Charles Barkley made me laugh when he said: "Just because the score is close doesn't mean you really have a chance to win. The Bulls are just better."

    The Pacers played as well as or better than the Bulls in just about every aspect except free throws, and the free throws were ultimately the difference. I wouldn't give a damn if they didn't win one game by more than 6 points during the whole post season as long as they find a way to get 16 W's. Just win, baby!

  • In reply to magestew:

    I get Charles, I think it is because of the past 2 games on how the BULLS won. Charles believes that the bulls has what it takes in crunch time (Drose and Defense) simple as that.

    Just like Doug wrote above: "There was not a doubt in my mind that the Bulls were going to take this game."

    Bulls stop.
    Rose layup.
    Bulls stop.
    Game over.

    DEFENSE and DROSE execution.

  • In reply to magestew:

    # point shooting Bulls made 9 Pacers made 1, ballgame.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    If you go back in history or just think the CAVS-BULLS last year, the Bulls had no chance of winning the series but they were close in most of the games.
    I think the defiant/scheming Vogel is now more of a "Plan my holiday" Vogel

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Re: The last Bullsbeat episode

    Doug...I agree with about 95% of your opinions.

    HOW-E-VA....holy crapola, do you over-rate the Heat's depth. Bibby? (The hollowed out husk of a player who can barely move or hit a wide open jumper) Anthony? (DOESN'T start and wouldn't trade Asik, Gibson or Thomas for him.)Miller?(Hasn't been effective in about 5 years.)

    I could buy a fear of LeBron or Wade....anybody else on that team, including Bosh, will not string 2 good games together against us.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    I think Bibby and Miller are quality depth guys. I'm not saying they are great players. I agree that Anthony isn't really any good, just that he's the most active of the guys we have and we don't really have a big center who can take advantage of him anyway.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    ...but all 5 of our bigs can outplay Anthony.

    Miller is vastly over-rated as quality depth. I'm not sure I take him over Bogans. He's one of those guys who makes shots, but never seems to when you watch a game. He was awful on the T-Wolves, and I was super excited when he sucked up the remaining cap in Miami.

    Bibby isn't depth....he's the starter. And he's awful. He has a decent game like every 4th or 5th game he plays, which apparently is better than Chalmers.

    No Fear, man.....we can take em'! :)

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Bibby's shooting really well from the three point line and can bring the ball up the court. That's all they need. He's their John Paxson.

    Miller hasn't been great, but can still knock down threes, as can James Johnson. The Heat can always keep one superstar creator on the floor and always surround him with at least two very good three point shooters.

    If they had Haslem, they'd be really scary, because their real problem is a lack of quality bigs.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Bibby is like Bogans on offense...unreliable 3pt shooting. We never know when they will show up. Wow! you are comparing him to Pax...he should be more like their Bogans.

    And Miller has been struggling and inconsistent when he does something well. I am not sure about James Jones though if he is consistent like Korver.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Bibby is shooting 45% from the three point line for Miami.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    stat-wise...yes...but if you see their games, he has shot a whole bunch in one game and sucked in the next few games. He is a streaky shooter

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I think the idea of shooters being streaky is largely a result of our tendency to see patterns where none exist, ie

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    AS a Bulls fan the Haslem injury was the best thing that happenned all year. Not rooting for it per se, but not crying about it either.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agree with your take on Deng and especially Noah, he is, as he always does, working himself into a lather, and the rebounding in traffic was great, so was his overall defense. He is getting there, and a long break might, as you suggested, halt his progress.

    Real happy to see Korver step up in the 4rth quarter, as he has been inconsistent this year. Korver spends so much time running around to get his shots, and he works hard trying to play defense, and he needs his legs to be an effective shooter, so he probably would not be as effective in the fourth if he played too many minutes early. Still torn about whether he should start though, to get more time with Rose, first six minutes of each half, and last six, hmmm.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I like Korver playing more or less exclusively with Rose.

    I hate the offense we run where Korver is the primary option. It wears the hell out of Korver and rarely gets good looks.

    The offense where Korver is the "keep the defense honest guy" or "the find an opening while Rose drives guy" is a ton better use of his skills and compliments Rose much better.

    I'd rather see him play that same role with the second team and have C.J. Watson trying to drive than running double back screens for Korver.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I hate those screen plays so much too. To his credit Korver has gotten better at the headless chook role in the offense, he now makes about 1 in 3 of those shots rather than the 1 in 4 he was at the start of the season.

    I think we run it less than we did at least (although I have nothing but gut feel to back it up), but I wish Thibs would realise that sometimes there's nothing wrong with just putting baby in the corner.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Korver is our John Paxson....our Paxson beats their Paxson.

    With Haslem....I would still take any of our bigs over him. He's undersized and an over-rated rebounder.

    We beat them 3 out of 5 starters (STILL barely taking Boozer over Bosh thinking that Bosh won't be nearly as pesky on D and bother him as much as anyone on Indiana) and with our bench. It'll be close, but we should take it...

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If you're the Bulls, would you try a big lineupe to beat them with size? Then you'd have to worry about guarding them on the other end, but it could work.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I agree. Here's what it boils down to. Our bench players can start on any team and compete with the nba. The bench players for miami heat get killed. Hell the Cavilers would kill the heat bench and their record sux balls! Just saying. We will kill miami.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    I totally respect the threat of the Heat (their star power, ability to get to the line, fast break ability, etc), but not necessarily their "depth." Miller has been junk this year, and Bibby, though a nice pick up who can hit a shot, is going to get roasted by Rose, although first by Rondo.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Dont think im going to comment here anymore. Thonus contradicts himself more than my daughter pees her pamper (she's 1)...like its literally unbearable at this point.

  • In reply to StephanH:

    That was totally uncalled for. Good riddance.

  • In reply to dreverts:

    Agreed....you should change your name to "igotnothing"...

  • In reply to StephanH:

    Urinary incontinence tends to be inherited through the paternal side. Good luck!

  • In reply to davebursill:

    +1 zillion...

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    "igotadultdiapers" maybe?

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    lmfao

  • In reply to davebursill:

    Howard is a dirty player. I think he is probably the dirtiest superstar type..

  • In reply to StephanH:

    contradiction is human

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    "Igotnext" is just unhappy cuz' he has a soggy diaper that leaks....

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Infact, I view it as a sign of intelligence, so does F. Scott Fitzgerald

    "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Hey Doug, I always enjoy your article... great great =)

  • In reply to muhammond:

    Doug what about that goon Foster? I understand Thomas gave

  • In reply to Jmax:

    I didn't really notice the music during the game except one point after Bogans hit a three they started up some music that sounded kind of like it was trying to pump things up and it made it sound like they were amped about Bogans 3.

  • In reply to Jmax:

    rose got pissed because foster clobbered him on the head and he saw that, but i think, what really pissed him off was getting hit in the face, which was from hansbrough, and i just think rose thought that was from foster.

  • In reply to bucketball:

    Elbow to Deng's head was nothing but malicious. Foster eyed Deng the whole way --meaning he knew very well what he was doing.

  • In reply to bucketball:

    We have had a season of the NBA Office recinding T's because the refs have been over cautious, given the guys a T knowing all will be reviewed.
    Now the NBA Office decides that Foster's 2 hard fouls in Game 3 should have been Flagrant 1's.
    The one complaint I think every fan of every team in the NBA has is the consistency of refereeing or lack of it.
    Is it about time the NBA brought in the NFL challenges? The game is already stop start so would not effect the flow anymore than the "commercial timeouts!!"
    I believe even the players who transgress would benefit. We all know the phrase "play to the whistle" and I'm sure we have all played in games where we see how much the refs will let us get away with but at the NBA level where the ref are getting paid VERY well for what they do surely the fans and players/coaches can expect the highest standard possible; with consistency and the ability to challenge the refs' calls in game.

    Imagine being a Nuggets fan after Perks goal tend in the last minute of a playoff game! So far the no calls have not effected the Bulls, but is it going to take blood and/or seriuos injury for the refs to realise that Foster is just the modern Laimbeer and that there is no place for that type of player in the modern NBA. (The reason I say this is because the players are generally jumping/moving higher and faster and so any undercutting/hard foul is more likely to cause more injury - again refer to how NFL have changed rules to project players)

    So NBA Front Office - get your arse in gear and get your refs to perform consistently for these players or someone WILL get hurt. (And it might just be Dwight getting knocked out after AGAIN throwing a cheap elbow into someones face - go Zaza lol)

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    I applaud the NBA for delaying 3pt shot reviews until there is a timeout. If they continue that practice to review other aspects of the game, and didn't stop play to review, then I guess I would be ok with it.

  • In reply to bucketball:

    sorry - rant over

  • In reply to bucketball:

    But will be interesting to see how tight they call the game today, esp against Indiana

  • In reply to bucketball:

    Jersey 66!! Good post..
    I am also sick of bad referee calls and I just don't understand why the same referee has to go and look in the monitor which obviously delays the game. Use another referee or two to decide and tell these old guys. How much sharp is a 70 year old guy after running for 2 hours with somebody like Rose and LeBron?
    1. Correct about Den/OKC game. It literally killed all the momentum from the Denver side. Den should have won that first game.
    2. NY-BOS game...there were a lot of issues at the end.
    3. Foster/Howard types who don't use basketball skills when they play should be taught that their kind of game will be phased out. This is a skilled game and not MMA basketball.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Thats my problem with the NFL. Hire another official who is always infront of the monitor. Let him make all the review calls.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    BTW, indicative of making quick judgements...Just because Rose had a bad shooting night yesterday, people have started talking/writing about how you can put a big athletic defender and stop Rose. There is a reason he practised all that jump shots to keep the defense confused on what he will do about whether he will drive or dish out to somebody or just shoot a jumpshot.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    no no no, dahntay jones is a rose stopper. rose is useless against end of the bench 6-6 guys who can't shoot.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    I agree, more Taj for sure.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    maybe he is already playing the exact right amount of minutes already. NOT.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    Patrick Ewing used to say the same thing everytime the Jordan Bulls were beating him. In his heart even after the series was over he just knew that the knicks were the better team.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    While Ewing was wrong, the Knicks were at least close enough in some of those series that a few breaks, lucky bounces or generous calls might have made the difference. The Pacers are getting swept.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Listening to some of the critics on other sports shows especially the four lettered network, these guys have no respect for the Bulls and the way they are playing against the Pacers. It just goes to show that the so called critics don't watch the Bulls games and don't understand that the Pacers are a very good team since their coaching change at mid season. I just find it amusing that everyones thought process is the Bulls have the overall best record in the league so they should be blowing the Pacers out in every game. This is why I knew the Pacers were not going to be an easy out cause I have watched this team as well this season and they have some quality wins against the elite teams in the league. I just want Boozer to get his crap together and start playing up to the amount of his contract cause imo he will be a critical piece to the Bulls advancing deep into the playoffs.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Nobody wants to admit that the other team is just plain better and they never have a hope.

  • Whatever they are doing, he's getting it done in the fourth. It's tempting to resort to more Korver, but maybe we've got just the right amount right now.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    Or maybe we don't.

    If something is working dramatically better than something else, don't you think you'd continue to try to increase the amount of time you do that to see if it still works.

    If we only played Derrick Rose for 20 minutes a game, would you ever say "maybe that's the perfect amount to play him his legs are fresh"?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Kyle Korver isn't Derrick Rose. He's a limited role player with well-known deficiencies. You might be right about him playing a bit more, though.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    he does also have the best adjusted +/- on the team too.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    as it is , korver typically gets into foul trouble with 20 minutes. not sure he could last 36 consistently. and those end of game threes and spacing are huge.

  • I'd love to check out Conseco, but I'm starting to realize that the UC is in fact the king of arena amenities. They have restrooms around every corner, which is also not true of the stadium out here in Oakland, which is also a cramped, two-level building with narrow concourses. It feels like you're packed in like sardines in the 200 level. The UC is really a pretty nice arena.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    Conseco definitely has that same feeling as you described in Oakland, but it's also feels a lot more friendly and less cold than the UC. Though you really miss how nice the concession and bathroom setup is.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I like going to the Bradley Center in Milwaukee when the Bulls play there, I've never been to Conseco Field House but I agree that Indy is a nice little city! :-)
    Most of us probably thought the Bulls would play the Bucks in the 1st round or at least that the Bucks would be in the playoffs, but Indy really has done great after the midseason coaching change.
    They are us, minus Rose, last year in the playoffs! :-)

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Funny Doug about loaning Jo to the Hawks to keep him charged up then quickly bringing him back to the Bulls to hopefully play those same Hawks in the 2nd round! :-)
    Oh but wait...if he gets 2 quick fouls early in the game he will probably sit next to his college bud Al on the bench for 1/2 the game to "preserve him"!!! :-)

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The UC is an awesome arena, but it's biggest fault is probably that it's a bit sterile. I can imagine Conseco being a bit more "warm."

  • We are up 3-0 about to sweep in the forst round. We have the No. 1 defense in the NBA and the best record in the NBA for the season. We are (playoffs included) 56-12 since December 3, 2010.
    Thibs, don't change anything, anything. Just keep them motivated.

  • In reply to adocarbog:

    adocarbog, that is all fine and good, but surely in the 15 minutes-a-day's honest thought you give the bulls you can out-think thibs and give us your suggestions. i know you can. together we can right this ship.

  • In reply to bucketball:

    Let's reactivate Pargo. No one on the Pacers will see that coming.

  • I agree completely(as I've been harping on the same thing due to that I think it's a huge point) with Doug's point about Joakim needing as much time as possible to maintain/build to that high energy level. I'm still hoping with more time/minutes Noah can find a way to get his offensive game back pretty much all the way to November. Sounds like a miracle, but he has been a playoff stud/raised his game to a high level in the past. If by some miracle his force/impact and offense come back to November levels the Bulls still might be a serious threat to Miami in the ECF. Though that's looking questionable the way they are playing right now. Take Taj and pair him alongside Joakim where they have a record of being a very potent lane shut down tandem. Even though I blasted Boozer in a moment of fed upness with the P word/label you have to believe he's seriously injured if he's this lame offensively. It's a real shame. I thought he'd at least be able to put up 15-16ppg with 7-8 boards in high production/go to minutes, and then bring in Taj for good stretches and some times the close. Also when Joakim defends some PF's as he did in the regular season I'd like to see Omer get some burn, and see what he can do with blocks, boards, and Turkish Hammer put back dunks. Per minutes his production seemed damn good. If we face Dwight then yes Kurt will have to get some minutes, but not at Joakim's expense keep him on the court at PF. I don't care if it's Ryan Anderson. Find a way to keep him on the court. And by the way Jo did defend some PF's very well this year including Bosh.

  • Oh, almost forgot, we have won our last 12 games.

  • In reply to adocarbog:

    what the hell does adocarbog mean, anyway? and don't be offended, as i am six beers in and i am agreeing with your points. go bulls. and in the interest of full disclosure, my sons and i shoot on a bucket with the bottom cut out roped up to a pillar in our parking garage. anyway, go bulls!

  • In reply to bucketball:

    Adocarbog is turkish for "D.Rose"

  • cool thoughts about Conseco. They should move the basketball hall of fame to Indiana.

  • Bulls do need some rest

    If Orlando or Atlanta runs out, its at least 4 days rest,
    if it goes 7 its at least 8 days off

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I don't think the Magic are going to steam roll the Hawks and finish the series quickly, the Hawks are a mediocre team but for some reason they seem to be able to match up well with Orlando. So lots of rest for the Bulls so long as they can take care of game 4.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    lost tonight, looks at least like a 6 game series (6 days rest) probably 7 games (8 days rest)

  • And if he played earlier maybe there wouldn't be a clutch situation where we need him to hit a shot because the game is already in the bag.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Exactly - give us some offense early on and destroy these clowns rather than leaving it to the last minute (and D.Rose).

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Boston Celtics ain

  • In reply to Edward:

    Wow...and they shot THAT well on that suffocating Knicks D....:)

  • In reply to Edward:

    Yeah, Ray Allen can hit wide open threes, who would have thought. The Knicks defense made the Celtics look great. Hopefully it carries over, because I'd like the Heat to lose, I just don't see it.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Jamal Crawford doing more favours for the Bulls than when he played for them. A four point play and a banked in three with 5 seconds to go ... bit of a luck box but the Hawks win!

    Atlanta CAN win this series, don't plan for the Magic just yet.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I know Bulls' fans would rather play the Hawks.

    However, I wonder if they'd be a tougher match-up than the Magic. Because besides Howard, who do they really have? Nelson is solid, but Turkoglu, Richardson, and Arenas aren't much help. The Hawks, when they play with confidence, are more balanced offensively and can play both inside and from the perimeter.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    I would rather have the Hawks because they are more balanced which is what we would face against Boston or Miami when we beat them. Plus Howard may harm are Rose. I would also like to see Rose abuse Hinrich.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    call me crazt but i'd rather have the Magic

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    And risk Rose getting hurt when Howard slams him to the ground repeatedly?

    I think the Bulls beat either team, but I certainly would rather the Hawks.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Yea, the Hawks can be made to quit, and the Bulls have what it takes to make them do it.

    things will probably get very chippy with Howard if we play them in a 7 game series.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Those are valid points guys, forgot the thug factor.

    But from purely an easier to beat standpoint? I think that is Orlando. Something in the way Atlanta beat us recently, makes me concerned they can hang with us. They have the athleticism. I think in the end we beat them, because our closer is 100x better than any option they have at the end of games, but they can be tough.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I think Celtics vs. Heat will be a competitive series - no steamrolling or sweeping. That's my opinion.

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