ESPN writers pick Rose as MVP while Jack Ramsey marches to the beat of his own drummer

Here you can see the article where ESPN picks for every award

Derrick Rose is a run away winner for the MVP while Tom Thibodeau has a fairly commanding lead for coach of the year.   The funniest thing about this though is if you look at all defensive team, guess who's got a first place vote?

Keith Bogans from Dr. Jack Ramsey.

I love listening to Dr. Jack on the radio, and I love the Bulls, but really?   Hey if you want to give a perimeter player on the Bulls a DMVP it should be Deng or possibly Brewer, but Bogans? 

Look, I'm not trying to stir up any undue Bogans hatred here.  He's been a good guy in his role of providing some depth and decent play for a guy that's just supposed to chew up some minutes without killing you, but DMVP?  


So back to the main point, it's great to see that John Hollinger insanity has not spread through the ranks of the rest of ESPN.   I don't know how many (if any) of these people are voters, but it certainly looks like Rose has an insurmountable lead from the first public poll we've had of intelligent basketball voices.

(yes, I know we all think we're smarter than the beat writers, but usually we're really not)

Derrick Rose looks like a lock to become the youngest MVP in the history of the league.  Let's see if he can back it up by bringing a championship back to Chicago.


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  • Until the game against the Celtics I had no appreciation for what bogans brings to the team. But after watching him (and kurt thomas) in the 3rd quarter of that game and realizing that he (and thomas) are the only guys on the bulls that I believe will make a hard foul when necessary, I think he'll be invaluable come the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs where the talent difference is smaller.

    But yea, he's no where near the best defender on the team.

  • I can agree with that fola! LOL

    He is making less then a 1/3 of what Brewer and KK make and is a starter, maybe Rose likes it that way...but a 60+ win season is amazing for a 1st year coach, with much turnover from last year, Defensive specialists, Rose and Deng's breakout years, etc....we have a lot to be thankful for especially for swinging and missing on the Big 3 this offseason!!!!
    Now far into the playoffs and a championship to Chicago!!!! :-)

  • Oh man, if Keith Bogans actually gets a DPOY vote I'm going to laugh my ass off. I guess the theory is that Bogans can't do anything offensively so a great coach like Thibs wouldn't play him unless he was the best defender in the world?

    Dr Jack had Manu for MVP too, so maybe he is just being contrary.

  • maybe it's time to put Dr Jack out to pasture...

  • I think Dr Jack is mistaking Bogans for Deng or maybe he only saw the Boston game last week where Bogans took Ray Allen to task.

    That's why you have to take away votes from real old guys like Dr Jack and real young guys like some of the bloggers on ESPN.

  • By the way for all the hate on Hollinger he had Rose 4th ... David Thorpe had him 5th.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    thorpehas always held the theory that even westbrook is better than rose. He also said brook lopez was better than rose. HE's smokin some wild s#$%

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:


  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    if Dr. Jack wants to make a point by giving Bogans a vote, I believe he's earned the right. i don't know what that point would be, but it doesn't trouble me. you guys know that none of these votes matter, right?

    i've been a bogans fan ever since he rode howard out of bounds on a boxout in the second magic game. first time anyone on the bulls got physical with him, and we haven't lost to them since. i don't believe all of those things are coincidences.

    go bulls.

  • In reply to bucketball:

    The troubling part is it shows Dr. Jack has seen maybe 1 Bulls game at most this year

    but I agree, ultimately, only 1 thing matters. All the rest is bonus for us fans.

  • In reply to bucketball:

    I think I remember Thibs saying Deng was their best defender. I'll go with whoever Thibs picks.
    And speaking of Thibs, I haven't seen a better coach/player combo than Rose and Thibs since MJ and Phil.

  • In reply to bucketball:

    From KC Johnson: "[Rose] became the seventh player in NBA history to post averages of at least 25 points, 7.5 assists and four rebounds in a single season, joining heavyweights Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James. He also became the fifth player -- and first point guard -- to post 2,000 points, 600 assists and 300 rebounds in the same season."

    All I can say is wow. No...I can say more than that. Stacey called Rose the "LeBron of point guards" because of his miz of strength, speed, and skill at the PG spot. In my opinion Rose transcends traditional basketball positions and is just a baller more than he's a PG or SG or even combo guard.

    If he was 6'5" - 6'6" the debate would be whether or not he was a better SG than Kobe or Wade. If he was 6'7" - 6'8" there would be a debate as to whether or not he was a better SF than LeBron or Durant. Hell, those debates already exist regardless of his position.

    No one even asks whether or not he's the best PG. The argument is that others are better "pure" PGs, but no one debates if any of those others are better basketball players. And he's just getting started. I can't wait to see his legend grow in the playoffs. I think if the rest of the Bulls don't crack under the pressure, Thibs and Rose can carry them to the title.

    GO BULLS!!!

  • Also, noticed that Rose was second in Most Improved Player with 6 votes.

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