Bulls knock down the Pacers again

Look, no disrespect to the Pacers, but I'm a bit tired of hearing about how hard they're playing.   You know, if you were playing that hard, maybe you wouldn't have given up 20 offensive rebounds this game, because if you controlled the glass, you wouldn't have lost the game.

However, listening to people, you'd think the Pacers are getting all the hustle points out there.   The numbers don't back that up.   They're playing Rose really physically, they're playing aggressive defense, and they're playing hard.  However, they've been murdered on the glass in both games, and that's really been the difference both times.

The Pacers have heart, but the Bulls have just played bad

Look, this has nothing to do with the Pacers and everything to do with the Bulls.   Chicago looks like a young team in the playoffs.   They look like a team that's pressing, trying to ramp up their energy and intensity without an outlet for it. 

They're overpassing, overdribbling, playing tight, and frequently not making the simple right play.   I wonder if Thibodeau is having similar problems as well.   Asik is completely gone from the rotation while Gibson's barely playing. 

At one point, the Bulls ran out a five man line up of Rose, Brewer, Korver, Thomas, and Gibson, and I thought "have these five ever played together?".   Thibs was so stubborn about his rotations all year, but now in the playoffs he decides to go away from them, but not go away from Bogans?  

The whole team, coaching staff included, needs to get a better grip on things.   Fortunately for Chicago, they're playing the Pacers.   Thankfully, they got the number one seed.  Thankfully, they have an easier matchup.

The Bulls playing like this will not beat Orlando.   This has nothing to do with the Pacers playing them all tough or doing anything crazy.   It's Chicago now playing to their level.

Keith Bogans had a nice third quarter

I give Keith a hard time, so it's worth noting he had a really nice third quarter, drew an offensive foul, forced a TO, pulled down an offensive board and made a great pass to Rose for a dunk, and knocked down a three all in about 4 minutes.

Thought he had a lot of energy there.

Carlos Boozer gave us something

His game felt a lot more quiet than his stats, but Boozer gave us some productivity out there, and we really needed that.   He scored pretty well, defended with much more energy, and pulled down a ton of boards.

Also led all other players combined in obscenities screamed that could be heard over the broadcast.

Hard to watch

The refs were terrible in this game.   Not necessarily against us all the time or for us, but just bad.   There were probably four or five missed/bad calls in the last two minutes of the game alone.

Dick Stockton and Chris Webber had basically no chemistry whatsoever, and Stockton kept screwing up the play calls.   When they went over the offensive foul on Hibbert where he cleared off Noah's blocking arm with his off arm and couldn't figured out that it was an off arm clear out and not a charge, I wanted to throw something at the TV.

Kyle Korver coming up big time

This is what we paid him for.   Korver may not be killing it out there, but he hit the go ahead three in game one, and he hit the three that broke the Pacers in this game.   The pass was made by Noah, but it was all set up by the Pacers foolishly deciding to blitz Rose from 30 feet away.  

Rose saw the double team coming too fast, easily hit Noah, and with two guys out of the defensive picture overall, Kover's man had no choice but to help which led to a wide open KK three.

Derrick Rose is still an ultimate bad ass

Derrick had a terrible problem with turnovers for a stretch in the third, but excusing that, he was unbelievable again tonight.   He provides so much offense for this team that it's simply ridiculous.  

Even when he doesn't get the hoop or assist, so much of the Bulls offense is derived off of a pass from Rose to someone else with another pass to an open man as the defense tries to recover.

Rose was simply amazing down the stretch again, and in the important moments, it just feels like the opponent can do nothing to stop him but to hope he gives up the ball after a double team trap.

Final thoughts

Close game, and I'm a bit concerned with the Bulls lackluster play outside of Rose, however, the Bulls are one step closer towards a sweep, and I think the Bulls should have an excellent chance to close this one out in just four games.

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  • Bulls might have peaked at the wrong time. They've won 11 straight and 23 of their last 25. They're due for a loss.

    The NBA seems to be going the way of the NFL with scouting defense. The Pacers took tonight's defensive scheme from Doug Collins when the Sixers beat us. This seemed to work well. I don't think the Magic, Heat, or Celtics have the depth or personnel to play that way.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    not buying it, I give credit to Indiana's offense in game 1 , game 2 and their D? No, not buying it

  • In reply to kbar17:

    I'm not worried. This round is a dress rehearsal. A loss would get my attention, but this doesn't. They are getting wins playing really sloppy basketball. Bodes well for the future actually.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Agreed. They weren't blowing everyone out in the regular season either.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    There aren't many teams in the league that have the athletic depth try and trap Rose with two athletic wing defenders and still defend the rest of the court with any reasonable ability whatsoever.

    Rose, for his part, did a terrible job of playing through the trap relative to what he's shown he can do at the end of this season.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Not sure if you read about it or looked at it, but a Pacers blog apparently has posted the break downs for offensive efficiency for the Bulls vs. Pacers when they (Bulls) go iso or pick-n-roll. Overwhelmingly, the Bulls are better off going iso. When they use the pick-n-roll, Rose plays right into the defense, according to the stats.

    Thought it was interesting.

  • Dick Stockton has to hang em up. I still remember his awful playoff Cubs calls featuring Adolfo Soriano, Rodrigo Ramirez and Angel Pecan.

  • In reply to satter1:

    Doug, glad you pointed out how pathetic Stockton was.

    He is a senile slobbering fool, he missed almost as many calls as Boozer did defensive assignments. The guy needs to be retired or shot(to put both him and us out of his misery) immediately.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Stockton generally does a workmanlike, if unspectacular job. Over the hill, IMO, however. The real crime was Weber as the color commentator. Very poor communicator. May know his basketball but terrible in getting across.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    The commentary was a disaster. If I had to hear one more time about the big question "will the Pacers recover from the psychological scars of losing game 1" I was going to lose my mind. I haven't muted the commentary since the Bill Walton days.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    Stockton was so factually inaccurate that it became comical.

    It took him 2 minutes of game time to notice that Rose had picked up his second foul and was out of the game at the end of the first quarter.

    then he made it sound like they changed the foul to Rose, I could hear the call from the PA on TV, the guy is courside and can't get it right.

    Color commentary is a personal taste, play by play is supposed to be fact based.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    What about Chris Webber?? He's 50 years younger than Dick and couldn

  • In reply to fsalomon:

    Well, we can criticize all we want but there are personalities you get turned off. I don't know but networks seem to want to keep real old people. It is probably the only profession where the older you are, the better the chance of being employed. Look at all the baseball, basketball announcers.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    We've been upset about bogans all the year. Tough Thibs found a mean to win even with bogans in the starting lineup. But it was the regular season.
    Right now, it's the playoffs. And bogans is killing us. He went 1/5 yersteday with only wide open shots (it woult have been 3/5). Besides, he almost played the whole 3rd quarter. What's Thibs is doing ? I thought he would limit bogans min yersteday.

    I'm feeling right now the rose'dependance. Rose needs help. I've been seing it all the year that in playoffs, Rose will feel alone. You guys take as a hater when i saiy it. The way chicago has played that 2 game isnt convincing. If Rose has to score almost 40 pts to beat pacers, what is going to do to beat ATL and heat ??

    Deng and boozer has to wake up !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I know English is not your 1st language but seriously take some time and write a coherent statement.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    We have to bring back Taj and Asik...We need those guys. Although Bogans had his 4 minutes of fame, we need to establish Korver earlier...We need to take advantage of Rose more, utilizing him and Korver for longer periods of time. Defense? Then sub in Taj for Boozer in that stretch.

  • Simple, we are playing with no aggression and no sense of urgency.

    We are playing down to the, not playing like we are the #1 seed in the league.

    And dont forget Watson gets alot of credit for his play Doug. So does Deng who is doing big things off the Rose pressure.

    We just need to overplay them. We are playing down to them and doing it consistenly. e need to step it up. No more close games with this team. Get it done.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    The one thing I'll say is that all season long, the Bulls have tended to have issues playing down to the level of their opponent.

    Look at the last few games: NJ, Orlando without Dwight, Knicks without Amare, etc..

    It's certainly a concern, but unlike other Bulls teams we've had that would do that, this team also plays up to the level of their opponent against good teams too.

  • This is shaping up to be the ugliest sweep in history, but that's where we're headed. Indy didn't play as well tonight, but the Bulls played even worse than in Game 1. The Bulls still know how to win from behind, and the Pacers don't. Things need to change in a hurry, though, because we'd be down 0-2 against a legit playoff team.

    Vogel is a good coach, but he reminds me a bit of Ned Flanders with his relentless optimism. Okeliedokelie, we're going to win be ten.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    I agree, and in the end, all that matters is Ws. I wish the team was crisper, but in some ways, an ugly 4-5 game series might help them.

    Plenty of film for them to watch and dissect and should keep them from getting too confident before the second round starts.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Luckily it is the first round and the Bulls have the luxury of learning on the fly and the luxury of having Rose.

  • If it is the Bulls playing bad, they need to stop making the Pacers look like they're playing the Bulls that good. I'm hoping the Bulls can sweep but the way the Pacers have Hung around these first 2 games, I would not be surprised at all if the Pacers get a win at home. This is where the Bulls can prove that they are focused to get the sweep in game 3. The Bulls need to start playing like its the playoffs and hopefully these hard fought games against the Pacers will give them the experience that they need to make it to the finals and win the title. Are the Bulls too young and inexperienced?... we will see if they are or not.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    or 2

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I am waiting to hear how Bozo the Boozer(Doug, thanks for pointing out his assinine screaming of profanities)had a great game. He was pathetic and I'll prove it to anybody who isn't a boxscore betty.

    The Bulls will never win an NBA championship with Boozer starting at power forward.

    Maybe we will luck out after the lock out is resolved and their will be a one time mulligan/buyout like there was in 98 and each team is allowed to dump/buyout one contract with no salary cap ramifications. I guarantee the Bulls can't dump Bozo fast enough if given the opportunity.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I don't love Boozer, but not every guy is a great two way guy. Boozer had a decent game. You just have to live with the good and the bad.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Please go back and watch the opening 16 minutes when we tried to force the offense thru Boozer.

    There were more turnovers than field goals.

    I am not trying to be a hater, I am just being a brutal realist, which is what winning requires.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Your hate of Boozer must nearly exceed MrHappy's love of Nick Young. :)

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    It is not hate when it is fact based, go and take a look at the game stats after the first 16 minutes, the point of the game at which Boozer did his most "damage" both ways.

    Bulls down 32-24, on pace for 72 points and over 30 turnovers, Boozer on pace for 6 offensive fouls which don't count as turnovers, but really are.

    All this a direct result of forcing the Boozer in the post offense.

    I don't like loud mouth, foul mouth phonies who simply don't try to play except when the ball is in their hands. If you love that kind of guy, more power to you.

    Obviously, there are reasons that Utah fans turned on Boozer, even when he was putting up way better numbers than he has for us.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    They got the job done, but what happens if Collison doesn't go out with an ankle injury? Boozer made a couple of nice plays, but I'd describe his play as just good enough. He played 42 minutes in a game where neither team shot well. 16 rebounds is about the bare minimum he should have gotten.

    Anybody remember a month ago when the bulls won back to back blowouts and everybody was talking about "Finals or bust!" If the bulls win game 3, I'll be a lot more confident of a deep playoff run, but does anybody still think that the bulls are a lock for the finals?

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    I never thought the Bulls were a lock for the finals. I've been saying for awhile, I think they lose in the ECF.

    That said, I still think they'll get to the ECF.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Your mistaken bro. You said the bulls beat MIA in 7 in the ECF. And yes about a month ago when you wrote the all in article you were very hyped on the bulls getting to the finals. You waver far to much. Also on a comment I made not to long ago predicting how the playoffs would go, you said it was a toss up between us and MIA in the ECF. Now you say were going to lose? Ok

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Bottom line is the bulls have to make the needed adjustments...

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I was surprised by the poor job the Bulls did in game one of challenging jump shooters. They cleaned that up and then made different mistakes with the turnovers. I've been saying since mid-season that the Bulls' playoff success will depend on how well they knock down jumpers. The rebounding and, of course, D. Rose have been consistent but the rest of the guys have to bring it consistently or this series will continue to be tougher than it should be.

    Boozer redeemed himself on the boards and he did a better job of challenging the bigs in the mid-range area. If both Boozer and Deng can have a good game at the same time the Bulls should win fairly easily. Thibs is doing a good job of platooning Bogans, Brewer, and Korver. He can't give Korver too many minutes because the Pacers' wings feast on his defense. But even though he hasn't jacked a ton of 3's, he's been important at crunch time.

    I think the Bulls will blow the Pacers out in one of the 2 games in Indy. If it's the first game, they'll take the Pacers' heart and win a close game 4 to sweep. If Indy manages to win game 3, the Bulls will blow them out in game 4 and close them out in game 5.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I wasn't specifically singling you out on this one, doug. But I did get some flak for saying that the bullshoot3r weren't that kind of good.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Not sure how many people watched the Comcast broadcast instead but Scottie Pippen, while mostly still a bit new and awkward to the booth, actually does offer some strong analysis. I love Stacey but he is more concerned with catch phrases than actual analysis these days. Pip has had some strong insights the past couple games...certainly more than Webber has had to offer (who I think is great in studio, just not in the booth).

    This actually brings me to my second point.

    Pip mentioned in game 1 something we've said on this blog many times - Rose can beat his man off the dribble, he doesn't need help. So why do the Bulls continue to set screens for him when they are not needed? The screener's defender sticks to Rose and he ends up doubled by Paul George and Roy Hibbert (or some similar combo) and now Rose has 14 ft of length hacking at him. Sometimes the Bulls get a good shot as a result of the double, but it seems more frequently they turn it over. Why keep running this very Del Negro-style set at the end of games when you know Rose will be doubled? He's your best player - lets keep the ball in his hands. He doesn't need the help so just drop it.

  • In reply to DanFrystak:

    I

  • In reply to Edward:

    yep, and Noah hasn't learned to properly set a devasting screen ala Kurt Thomas.

  • In reply to DanFrystak:

    Sooo...many Chicago fans are worried.

    The biggest concerns they cite are help for DRose, primarily a lack of scoring, where Deng and Boozer especially can disappear for stretches, sloppy play where they seem to be pressing, nervous, without crisp ball movement and passing, and lacking a general sense of urgency, intensity, or saavy veteran "been there, done that". Those are all good points. I agree with that. They're not playing well. And understandably it has some fans questioning them. Are they overrated? Is their regular season record misleading and not a true measuring stick of their potential? Can you really believe in them?

    Well, they are up 2-0. That's a start, albeit in two, hard-fought games. I know being up 2 games is alot better than being down 2, no matter how they're won. Let's look at the matchup. Some of been saying: "This Pacers team is tough, and so it will not be an easy series". Yes, you are absolutely correct. They certainly are tough. And so the line of reasoning is: if the Bulls have trouble with this team, an 8th seed, how does that bode for a future series with the Magic, Hawks, Celtics, or Heat? Perfectly reasonable thinking.

    Honestly, I think this Pacers team is a more difficult matchup for our young Bulls. The Pacers are young too, athletic, come with tremendous energy, and the exuberant fearlessness of the underdog mentality that says "We have, in all sincerity, nothing to lose. So who gives a flying f*** what anyone else thinks?" And with that, they can play free and loose with little pressure or expectations. It's a great way to play sports. I know I liked it. The Bulls, on the other hand, are the #1 seed. The expectations are exponential for them, and it's much more difficult mentally to play with that presssure. And it's shown in their play. Michael Wilbon just wrote an article on the series, and he says:

    "Don't waste time with the argument that it's only the Pacers, the seven-games-under-.500 Pacers, because the Pacers have a better roster by miles than fourth-seeded Orlando and play with a passion the Atlanta Hawks couldn't possibly understand. Whichever of those two the Bulls get in the second round won't come close to testing the Bulls the way the Pacers will over this series."

    Yeah, I think he's got it right. This is why I'm realistically optimistic. The Bulls are getting the tougher test now with the Pacers, are playing about the worst they can, BUT are still winning. I don't think the next round will be as hard, not that it'll be easy, but will their oppenent be as bad of a matchup? No. The Magic just don't have the supporting cast. The Hawks are just too soft. And I believe the Bulls WILL play better. DRose and Thibs just simply won't let this team stagnate.

    What of the DRose can't do it by himself argument? Again, another perfectly reasonable point. Wilbon also said in his article that, although he cringes at making the comparison, Rose is similar to Jordan because critics were also questioning if the Bulls could win it all with Jordan shouldering the scoring burden and having to take over end of games. Well, Jordan did ok. Wilbon thinks Rose will be ok. And I think he'll be ok, too. Would I like for the load on Rose to be lessened. Of course, no question. But if Korver can be Paxson or Kerr, or if Deng can find his inner Pippen, or if Noah can put on his Grant or Rodman costume, then it might, just might, be enough.

    I think we are all confident that they'll ultimately win this series. And my argument here is that they'll win the next one too, and probably in an easier and less, heart-attack inducing fashion. Then, it's the ECF. It'll probably be the Heat, and that will be by far the toughest test all season. Let's enjoy the first 2 rounds, though, before then.

  • In reply to DanFrystak:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?columnist=wilbon_michael&id=6387266

    Nice article by Wilbon made me feel alot better about our situation

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Yes, me too. See my comment above :)

  • In reply to zentastic:

    woops sorry I didnt see your post!! But you are right they are a talented team that is just playing their heart out! Does anyone think that the Hornets are a better team without David West than the Pacers are playing right now!! I sure dont and they beat LA in LA!!

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    About the shoe thing above I wonder if its a superstition thing by CJ not having a good game in game 1 or something cuz even Jo the Bull hater has Black Le Coq Sportifs on!!

    Sorry just a shoe freak haha i thought it is a cool tradition!

    Roses new shoes for the playoffs are the Adidas Crazy Lights the lightest basketball shoes ever! They kind of resemble boxing shoes because rose said he watches Ali for inspiration because he was the very best at what he did and thats what he wants to be

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Another stellar performance from D-Rose, and the defense held Granger in check yet again. That sounds like a winning formula for the Bulls. Check out the stats:

    http://sportstatistics.blogspot.com/2011/04/al-east-notes-pitching-panic-in-new.html

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    You did pick them to go to the finals in your playoff preview. I wouldn't back off your prediction because of two mediocre performances from the Bulls, and two good performances from the Heat. Just 2 games, Doug. Stick to your guns.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I agree, and for the record, I got:

    over Pacers in 4
    " Magic in 5
    " Heat in 7
    " Thunder in 6

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agreed, and we shouldn't feel bad about that.

    We are at least a year ahead of schedule.

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    In reply to bullshooter:

    That's the $20,000 question. Without Collison the pace of the game completely changed. When he's in there, Indy is beating the Bulls by pulling the ball out of the net and pushing before the defense gets set. When Collison is there the Pacers play way above their record. Without him, they pretty much are as advertised. I really like this Pacers team. They should consider moving to Sacramento so I can enjoy them even more.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    I agree without Collison the Pacers are a worse team for sure but we still had problems with them!

    Glad Rose is on the Bulls, his hometown team, because if Rose was on the Pacers they would be blowing out the Bulls by 30 these past 2 games! :-(

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    I agree without Collison the Pacers are a worse team for sure but we still had problems with them!

    Glad Rose is on the Bulls, his hometown team, because if Rose was on the Pacers they would be blowing out the Bulls by 30 these past 2 games! :-(

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    Price and Ford hit some (big and lucky) 3's, so while I agree about Collison those 3's probably balance his loss for this game at least.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Doug, you start out your article saying you are sick of people saying how hard the Pacers are playing and then say it yourself in the 2nd paragraph. lol

    What I will say about the Pacers so far is that they have come to play. Their offense has looked alot better than the Bulls although they collapse at the end of games. They also seem to respond just when I think the Bulls are going to go on a big run, by hitting a tough shot when the clock is expiring or hitting a 3.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Haha, that is awesome, though my point (obviously stated poorly) was I'm sick of people implying that the Pacers tough play is what is affecting the Bulls rather than that the Bulls are just playing poorly.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    But you have to agree that the Pacers are definately competing with playoff intensity, which affects the play of the Bulls.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Another great post, Doug. Thank you. I, too, am wondering why Thibs is not playing Asik at all, while giving Gibson only about 10 minutes. That second unit was the most dominant 2nd unit in the NBA, and it have our starters a nice blow. Instead, the starters occasionally look fatigued and there's less chemistry among the bench players because Thibs is experimenting. This is NOT the time to experiment. Stick with what worked. Like you said, he's sticking with Bogans, so stick with the 2nd unit!

    The explanations? He thinks we need more offense, so Thomas is playing more and Asik isn't playing. And their bigs did not hurt us in Game 2, so we didn't need Asik or Gibson as much. And the rule that you must shorten your rotation in the playoffs. And go with the vets, like Thomas. All are legit, but the starters need more rest and Gibson provides some offense. Also, need to see more CJ for something called POINTS.

    We need that 2nd unit to shut down this Indiana team, and help put them back into the 80s.

    Last thing, many people rip on Boozer for his D and that we can't win the big prize with him. I don't agree. Look at the Lakers with Magic. Worthy was never a great defender, and neither was Kareem, but I recall that team doing pretty well. :) Seriously, I'd simply like Boozer to get to Worthy level on defense (a.k.a., stay in front of his man better), but even if he doesn't, he's a better defensive rebounder than Worthy.

    And another reason why Boozer gets ripped in Chitown is because our two previous power forwards on Bulls championships teams were two of the premier defenders the league has ever seen: Horace and Dennis, of course.

    Last thing, the biggest thing missing from this team right now? Noah! Where are those eye-popping stat lines with a healthy FG percentage? He's boarding and holding down Hibbert, but his offense is atrocious.

    Rose can keep playing at the highest of levels, but the other guys (Thibs included) better start playing/coaching like they had been, or we're doomed . . .

  • In reply to ethanboldt:

    Good Post...I think the Bulls played like the 76ers did yesterday. The shots just didn't go in. In the Miami-76ers game, everyone will say that Miami played great defense but the sixers missed a lot of open shots which was the same with the Bulls.
    Noah has to control his energy when he is shooting/passing/handling the ball. Except for that pass to Korver, he was very tentative.
    I think the Bulls are being brought down to earth and need to step-up their intensity/game/shot-making.

  • In reply to ethanboldt:

    The Bulls flaws are being exposed against the Pacers. The poor perimeter shooting is what will probably stop the Bulls from getting to and winning the finals. Rose has to do too much of the scoring and eventually someone,(MIAMI), will force someone else other than Rose to beat them. I'm hopeing the Bulls are playing down to their competition like a lot of times during the regular season cause if they're not, had they played another team the Bulls would probably looking at a 0-2 deficit or a 1-1 tie. If the Bulls are to get to the finals and win the title it will solely be from their defense.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    While I agree, I don't think anyone should have ever thought this team wasn't one with serious flaws.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    It's the 62-20 record that is somewhat deceiving cause everyone will consider it an upset if the Bulls don't get to the finals.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    people should be upset if they don't get there, they have the ability, they have raised expectations.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Boozer - His game felt a lot more quiet than his stats

    Doug,your quote seems very accurate. Boozer had his numbers but his game seemed "quiet" to me. But I hope there are more double/doubles on the way from Boozer.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    If you count turnovers, offensive fouls, and defensive lapses, it was screaming loud and clear, almost as loud as Boozer was shouting obscenities.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Has anyone considered what it will be like if we play the hawks instead of the magic? everyone has just kind of assumed that the magic will win.. but at this point their prospects aren't looking so hot

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    I feel Dwight Howard is one of the dirtiest players with his elbow swinging and pushing on offense(kinda like of Boozer but more forcefully). I know everybody does that but he seems to do it almost every possession.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I agree. Some of the stuff he does like pretending to raise his arms harmlessly into the air while deliberately elbowing someone in the head is almost Rodman-like.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    and then he is one of the biggest complainers in the NBA. VanGundy & their fans constantly make excuses for him, but he is the one initiating contact, & the physical play I'd say about 70% of the time.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Amazing to me Doug didnt respond to anyone in regards to his "I never thought the Bulls were a lock for the finals. I've been saying for awhile, I think they lose in the ECF.

    That said, I still think they'll get to the ECF." comment.. Anyway the Bulls have done this the entire year..Playing down to the competition. But have also played up to the competition...I've said all along the bulls take Indy in 5 Orlando in 6/7 and Miami in 7. If somehow (which wont happen) they play San Antonio I think the bulls win in 6/7. We'll see what happens, but for now im just along for the ride

  • In reply to Reese1:

    In your heart of hearts do you really think that we will beat the Heat in the ECF, I doubt that anybody who isn't just trying to be a contrarion really does.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I don't think we have serious flaws at all.

    What do you expect from this team? They have played down to competition all year, only getting a few blow outs. That's not who they are yet. They lead the league in point defecit b/c they are consistent, they only had 20 losses, and they were only blown out 1 time all year. This is who they are this year. They are also the team that has won all 12 of their games against the other top 4 seeds in each conference.

    Serious flaws? Please. This isn't the 85-86 Celtics, but we're pretty damn good all around. We have all the characteristics of a great playoff team. We have won 11 in a row. We're healthy.

    Not buyin the gloom & doom.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Not buying the gloom and doom either.

    People tend to forget how many times MJ had to bail out his team at the end of games, and those teams were championship-dynasty caliber. One way or another, this Bulls team takes care of business. Might not always be pretty, but they get the job done.

    A win is a win, and the Bulls have proven they are winners all season long. Any team in the league is gonna be hard-pressed to win 4 of 7 against Chicago.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    point differential I mean

  • In reply to Reese1:

    +1. exactly man. it's sad but what we've been seing all the year is happening. I've never trust deng (3/13). Rose can't do it all by himself. Even MJ can't.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You are always so qucik to take shots at Deng but you man-crush Melo went 5 - 18 in game 1 and lost it for his team. Deng is not a superstar but he works his ass off, in this case dealing with Granger, and has had many more solid games than stinkers.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    that's why we played so great that 2 games.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Which the Bulls won, don't forget. How did the Knicks do? You often talk about Deng's inconsistency, but Melo had a horrible middle and end of game: turnovers, offensive fouls, bad shots, missed shots. In short, he lost the game for them.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    BTW, Good analysis by some guys on this blog during the draft who thought Paul George would be a good player. I feel he will be their star player/leader in Year 3/4. He played good defense and once he develops some offensive moves...look out. He can be a stud.

    If Thibs is changing the line-ups and mixing/matching...why not try Rasual Butler once? I know he will not but I am really sick of seeing Bogans screw up the first quarter..

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I feel like Butler would be a nice sub for Bogans but Thibs is stubborn with his rotations. Butler would help spread the floor more and he's a little more athletic with more size.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I agree Reese1, too bad we brought him over so late and he didn't play prior to the playoffs!
    He has size, athletism, and better shooting them Bogans and has the size to guard George at 6'8" or "Tmac" size at SG! :-)

  • In reply to Reese1:

    How can you say we stand a good chance of winning both games in Indiana after watching the first 2 in this series? You're WAY to much of a homer, wake up and really analyze the series. Indiana has played BETTER, SMARTER and HARDER than the Bulls. Luckily we have Rose AND we were home.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    The Pacers don't know how to close games out. The Bulls know how to win from behind. The Bulls have played their worst and still won. I don't think the Pacers played that well in Game 2, but they played their best in Game 1 . . . and lost. The Bulls are the better team, unless we suddenly think these last two games are the real Bulls. So sure, Indy did play better, smarter and harder. It's just not good enough.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    wouldn't call that home crowd an advantage.

    Bulls just haven't shifted into 5th gear yet. They have at times during both games, and they destroyed Indiana when they did.

    We've seen this from them all year guys. Why is this surprising people? Look, the players know this series is a lock. i'd like to see them kick the crap out of the Pacers, but I'll take a sweep. I don't care. No one is going to remember this series anyways, besides Indiana.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    My God, have a little faith in your team Chicago.

    Also, to the fans attending the game live, before can you do some tailgaiting or something? Take a couple shots, sneak in a flask, something to loosten you people up?

  • In reply to sukid09:

    I agree. First game it was - we took Pacers best shot and still won. Second game its - Bulls are playing to the level of their competition.
    Bulls are LUCKY to be 2-0. Without Collison's sprained ankle we could easily be 1-1 now.

    MVP Rose aside, in this series the Bulls supporting cast looks no more talented than the Pacers. That's the truth if one watches the games without their homer hat. To prove that wrong Bulls must win Game 3 in Indiana, hopefully more convincingly.

    Right now I

  • In reply to Edward:

    I see it going 5, as well. It'll be tough to get that 3rd or 4th game in Indy, but I think they'll be able to make the plays in a slugfest.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Exactly what I've been thinking. Game 3 is going to be tough. The Indy crowd will be in a frenzy from the get go.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Yes, Butler is more athletic, more size, and he's a scorer who looks for his shot. He's better than Bogans, imo.

  • In reply to Edward:

    But that said, Bogans is more valuable when you have a proven SG such as Allen, Wade, Joe Johnson. The problem with the Pacers is their main options are all at the non-SG positions like the Bulls..so Bogans is not helping out trying to stop their main options. Against Miami, Lakers, Celtics, Hawks, Orlando he is going to "try" to stop one of their top 3 offensive options. I think that's where Thibs's thinking is.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    In that way, I wish Thibs puts Bogans on Granger and free up Deng on not working so hard on defense. We know Bogans can guard Granger..after all he had a vote for DPOY;-)

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I'm still looking for the Bulls to sweep here.
    The only thing that ruins it is listening to Bill Wennington's goofy side comments on the live radio broadcasts.

  • In reply to MySportsComplex:

    Thank You!
    I cannot stand Wennington

  • In reply to Edward:

    yup, haven't heard him on the radio, but he was crap on TV when he stepped in for Stacey

  • In reply to Edward:

    Never listen, but is he turning into Dan Dierdorf on Monday night football.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Not happenning, but I think we would all throw a parade if it did.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    thank you for clarifying the off arm clear out. i thought that i was retarded, because i was convinced it was an offensive foul. yet both the announcers were convinced otherwise. Consequently, i started to question my basketball knowledge. As of now, my faith in myself has been restored.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Glad you pointed that out, you could make an argument that as a rookie he has displayed more defensive skills than Scottie Pippen. He really has that kind of look about him.

    Can we trade Bogans or Boozer for him.

  • In reply to ethanboldt:

    Wow, comparing Boozers D to Kareem, 5 time All defense 1st team, 6 time second team.

    Compared to Boozer, Worthy was Bill Russell.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Boozer is going to be around and there is no replacement coming anytime soon. We just had to live with him and he did much better yesterday than the previous game. Look, for the Bulls to look good and win deep in the playoffs two from the group of Watson, Brewer, Noah, Bogans, Taj have to score in double figures.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Speaking of Mappy above, another really fun part of this Bulls season is reflecting on the pessimism of Bulls fans. Like the Mr Happy type camps that essentially said the front office was wasting Rose's career by not making huge moves THIS YEAR AND NOT SETTLING FOR MEDIOCRITY. We NEED Melo or dumping Asik for anyone we can get. Of course the Bulls ended up being the #1 seed in the league with such a move. Now to read that Bulls will not win a championship with Boozer starting...let's hope DRose reads this blog and accepts that challenge.

    We all know where Bigway is coming from saying that and he's certainly got much more credibility than Mappy and others (to me) but I'm not buying it. Not because Boozer is awesome but just having faith in a team and a system. That said, Boozer may be the new (offensive) Bogans in future years where he starts but doenst play all that much. Cuz let's be honest until he is expiring who is going to want him.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    There is one hope, the Alan Houston(see 1998 lockout) clause in the new CBA coming out of the lockout. It would cost Reisndorf a lot of money but it could save us from 4 more years of Bozo's antics.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Again, if all that you do is read box scores, then yes he had a "much better" game.

  • What the hell is with CJ wearing red shoes hes going to curse us the dumb bastard

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I didn't notice that. Someone needs to tell him that the Bulls shoes for the playoffs are historically black. Pippin should tell him about that.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    They got away from that tradition. Players are now allowed to wear black shoes during non playoff games.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I think this group warrants their own traditions.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    He had on a new pair of black and red Nikes in game 1, but I don't know what happened to them in game 2.

  • I don't want them to do it all game. I want them to not set screens at the end of games. Like Edward states below, given the lack of offensive ability of the screener it becomes simply a pick (no pop, no roll) leaving Rose with 2 defenders and no 'easy score' outlet.

    I understand the concept of PNR basketball - but the Bulls don't use it that way.

  • In reply to DanFrystak:

    and Boozer is not Karl Malone.

  • Good point about the officiating. It isn't even the second round, and the NBA refs are in rare form.

    I know people say the defenses all ratchet up a notch for the playoffs, and that accounts for lower shooting percentages. I agree, to a point. I also think a big problem is that teams don't know what the f--k will be called at any given moment (let alone a game), so it leads to a lot of second guessing which leads to sloppier play.

    Oh, and Danny Crawford is officiating the Mavs-Blazers game tonight. I haven't checked out the spread, but I'm pretty confident that the Blazers will cover (if not win outright).

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