Gar Forman, executive of the year?

Yes, I know, he has zero chance to win.   Absolutely none.   No way.   This was Pat Riley's award when he landed the big three.

However, should it be?   In the end, don't the results matter more than the hype?   We're all upset about the Heat celebrating their title before winning it in the summer, yet if the team disappoints, no one blinks at giving Pat Riley the executive of the year award still.

Win improvement

The Miami Heat are presently on pace to improve their win total by eight games this season.   For all of the awesomeness of bringing in LeBron, Bosh, and resigning Wade, they're on pace for only eight more wins and a total of 55.   They are highly unlikely to even have home court advantage in the 2nd round, and right now are not in most analysts top 4 teams to win the title.

The Chicago Bulls are presently on pace to win 59 games this season.   A win improvement of 18 over last year, more than double the improvement of the Heat.   Granted, win improvement isn't the be all end all if you are coming from a lower spot, but the Bulls are coming from a lower spot and moving past the Heat.  

They started lower and will finish higher.   Doesn't that mean something here?

Value of contracts signed

The Miami Heat signed LeBron, Wade, and Bosh to near max deals on the second tier max.   The three each took a slight discount to make the money work out, but they're still averaging around 18 million per year a piece.   LeBron is worth more than that.  Wade is worth more than that.   Chris Bosh looks worth considerably less than that. 

Mike Miller was signed to a bad deal.  Udanis Haslem has been hurt, but I think his deal was bad as well given that the Heat really need a center not a PF.   They're also locked into all of these guys for the long haul as Miller is untradeable right now, and Haslem might not be far off from that either.

The real problem is that getting past the awesomeness of the LeBron/Wade, the Heat basically overspent everywhere else (including on Bosh), did so long term, and crafted the rest of the roster with poor fitting players.   What if Haslem was a similar caliber center and Mike MIller was a similar caliber PG?    How much better would the team look?

The Chicago Bulls didn't hit on their number one or two choices in free agency.  If you believe the GM, then Boozer was always their third choice ahead of Bosh, but when they created a backup plan they put together a team that worked and fit together.   They also received great value for their money and didn't go in long term, so that they could retain financial flexibility going forward.

Korver, Watson, Brewer, and Bogans all have deals with a non guaranteed year which basically makes them valuable as expirings for trade filler in two different seasons rather than one, and allows them to hedge their bets on the players and facilitate trades during the draft.  

Omer Asik looks like one of the best under radar signings this summer as the Bulls not only got him to come over from Europe, but they locked him in for 3 years at a cheap rate.  

Looking at the Bulls team they fit together.  They're a real team.   They're as good as the sum of their parts while Miami is less than the sum of it's parts, and if something goes wrong, Chicago can much more easily change direction.  

Planning for the future

This somewhat overlaps the value contract thing, but when you look at the future, what can the Miami Heat do?   They have no draft picks.  They have no tradeable assets.   They can only hope to sign ring chasers at the vet minimum and hope the MLE doesn't get wiped out with the new collective bargaining agreement.   They can't even trade short term deals for long, because they don't have enough expiring deals to amount to any long term salary that they could bring back.

The Bulls have all their own draft picks plus two first rounders from other teams to offer.   They have the ability to take some money off the books of a team this season (they could trade Bogans + cap room + picks for O.J. Mayo on draft day for example).     They can offer expirings this year in trade, they can offer immediate cap relief next summer during the draft, they can offer expirings next season.

Unless there is a hard cap, the Bulls will have built their team, a team that's presently better than Miami, despite starting off worse, without sacrificing any future flexibility, and in fact increasing future flexibility in the process.   They'll have given themselves more wiggle room to address their holes and improve further.

Leading the ship

The Bulls hired Tom Thibodeau, the Heat retained Erik Spoelstra.   Thibodeau looks like a lock to win coach of the year.   Spoelstra, quite possibly unfairly, gets a lot of the blame for the losses.

There's no question who the better coach is at this point.   The Heat have struggled instilling a plan in big moments while the Bulls have excelled in them.   Do you trust Spoelstra to make adjustments in a playoff series?  I sure as hell trust Thibodeau to do so.

I feel great about my head coach, I doubt Miami fans can say the same.

Final thoughts

Gar Forman has no chance to win this award.


However, looking at the results, I can't help but think, "why not?".    Haven't the Bulls improved more than the Heat this summer?    Haven't they positioned themselves with more assets and flexibility in the future?   Didn't they build a better team?  Hire a better coach?   Play it safer with their contracts?

I mean Dwyane Wade announced before the season was over he had no intention of leaving Miami, so Riles shouldn't get much credit for resigning him.   After that he brought in LeBron (awesome), brought in Bosh (looks overpaid), Miller (overpaid), Haslem (hurt all year), a head coach who looks lousy, other players who can't fill needs, and traded away any hope of future flexibility to do so.

In the end, the only good move Riles made this off-season (if you count Wade as a given, I know I'm not giving GarPax a bunch of credit for extending Rose in a season) is that he brought in LeBron and perhaps James Jones.   Basically every other piece has either been 'meh' or a disappointment.

Look at the scoreboard people:

Overall Record: Bulls
Year to year Improvement: Bulls
Future flexibility: Bulls
Coaching hire: Bulls

Value for money: Bulls
Signing a guy named LeBron: Heat


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  • MVP, coach of the year and exec of the year? My gut reaction is that's too much, it feels like the Oscars where one movie ends up winning all the awards despite the improbability that a movie actually has all of the best actor, script and director.

    But then again these awards never go to guys who make their team at least respectable, much like nobody ever wins best actor for turning a dog of a script into something at least watchable. So the fact I dislike the idea probably means it fits right into the way these awards work.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I think the of the three awards, Thibodeau is most deserving of his.

    I think Rose is probably the MVP, but it's largely because of a weak cast of MVP candidates more so than because he's had a super MVP season.

    I think Gar would probably win executive of the year in most years with what he pulled off this season, and I think he's reasonably deserving this year as well. From a public view, I don't think people get it, but from an insider view, the way the Bulls locked up Noah, brought in Asik, brought in Boozer, and signed everyone else all fit into a model of cost efficiency, improvement, and long term planning.

    He managed to make the team a legit contender this season while still giving it tremendous future flexibility as well, and I think that's what I find most inspiring. Miami attacked the off-season like a sledgehammer. They went all in on the big moves and gave away every chance to improve to do so.

    The Bulls were probably willing to sledgehammer it too, but instead attacked with tremendous finesse in the way they handled things and did a great job of building both short and long term with flexibility to make changes.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    No offense Doug, but didn't you just throw the front office under the bus yesterday for going cheap on Thibs?

    So are they brilliant or cheap idiots?

  • In reply to bentheredengthat:

    I throw ownership under the bus for being cheap. I give management all the credit in the world for working within the cheapness.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Great post. I agree that Gar deserves the award. Unfortunately, stuff like Asik's contract, trade exceptions, contract options, etc. are too nuanced to get the attention of voters. Bummer.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I don't know where you're getting "no chance" from. His name is in every discussion and every Heat loss is overblown as a Riley failure. Actually, I still have yet to read or hear a serious argument for Riley, but maybe I haven't paid enough attention. Until January, Donnie Walsh was probably the popular frontrunner and it's been more up in the air since. Sam Presti's probably the frontrunner now.

    If I had a vote, I'd go Forman. Presti wouldn't bother me. I'm torn on Masai Ujiri, who's enormous gamble turned into a great deal, but that's more due to James Dolan's stupidity on enduring irrational trust in Isiah Thomas. Rich Cho and Danny Ainge are probably deserving of serious mention, but their coaches outweigh them.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    I think Sam Presti's a great GM, but I don't think he's done much this season.

    I also don't see how Donnie Walsh wins this. They vastly overpaid Amare in FA, and overpaid in talent for Carmelo in trade (note, the Nuggets win percentage improved post trade and the Knicks got worse).

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I didn't say Walsh ought to or will win. Just that he was winning the noise war in the first couple of months. As for Presti and Forman, both kinda' show what the award ought to reflect. Over an offseason and season, the award doesn't make much sense. The two have drafted, managed the cap, hired personnel, and acquired players to assemble a roster conducive to all of that via trades and free agency over 2-3 years. For example, not just drafting so well, but locking up Durant to commit to that relative armpit of a city should be eyed in a comparable manner to a big money free agent filling a hole in a major market -- especially one through whom you're progressively building around; the player conducive to success and failure.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    I don't know anyone who thought Walsh was winning the noise war, but maybe I'm not listening to the right noise. All the New Yorkers I know where disappointed with the Knicks off season.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    That noise war usually coincided with the "Amar'e=MVP" meme.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Here's a lineup I've been thinking about for the playoffs and I want to get your reaction. What if the bulls #1 rotation, for at least some series or games, looked like this?

    PG D Rose
    SG Luol Deng
    SF Carlos Boozer
    PF Joakim Noah
    C Asik

    I think that Deng can play the two-slot; he can guard anybody and can shoot much more consistently than either of our #2 guards. I can see some difficulty in playing Boozer at SF--primarily on the defensive end; but that might be made up for by having Noah and Asik on the court at the same time.

    This kind of lineup, it seems to me, solves (1) the problem with the offensive production from the #2 spot (2) has the advantage of keeping three of the bulls best defenders--noah, asik, deng--on the court at the same time; and (3) means that the bulls will be able to match Boston and LA in inside presence.

  • In reply to jj320:

    I think the Bulls would get annihilated with that offense and wouldn't be able to defend the perimeter at all.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Aren't the three top scorers of the team on that lineup? Rose, Boozer, Deng?

    I agree that the perimeter defense might be a concern, but this lineup matches up well with the bigger lineups of Boston and LA, no?

  • In reply to jj320:

    That lineup would kill in nba2k11. In the nba, not so much. Maybe for stretches against the lakers, but Boozer can't guard artest or odom, and Deng would struggle with kobe most of the time.

  • In reply to jj320:

    Good article. If Bulls lock in the #1 seed, I think Forman has a shot.

    Bosh isn't overpaid. Despite his issues, I think he is still worth more on the open market that Boozer.

  • In reply to scottplummer:

    I'd hope he's worth more given that he's making about 40 million more.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    It's not $40M. After this year, it's 32M and Bosh is signed for an extra year with is $20 of the difference. And Bosh is 3 years younger.

    If Bosh is overpaid, is Boozer?

  • In reply to scottplummer:

    Forman for the executive of the year ? is it a joke ? i love these bulls, i love the way they're playing. but i would never credit the front office for it. As i said before, they were just lucky to have D-Rose. And this team is there only becuz of Rose and Thibs.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I would credit the front office first. This team is generally managed for that particular coach around that particular superstar.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    1. GarPax in a strange struck out on the best big player they could have drafted(LaMarcus Aldridge)but have compensated with a trio of good players(Noah, Gibson and Asik). If these guys contribute well towards a lot of post-season success, GarPax have to be really given kudos.
    2. Anyhow, these awards don't mean much for fans. Fans want championships(multiple). So, we need to see who will have the multiple championships in another 3/4 years. That will determine who the smart executive is. For example, Wade getting hurt or Boozer declining rapidly or OKC stagnating can happen easily.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    schaumburgfan, GarPax didn't "struck out on the best big player they could have drafted LaMarcus Aldridge) but have compensated with a trio of good players (Noah, Gibson and Asik)."
    THE BEST BIG PLAYER THEY COULD HAVE DRAFTED WAS JOAKIM NOAH, and I would be surprised if you were not part of the gang who wanted nothing to do with Noah as the 9th pick in the draft the year of his draft. Noah is not merely A GOOD PLAYER. He would have been a lock for a place on this year's All-Star team had he not gotten injured. He led Al Horford by a mile in votes for the All-Star team. He doesn't have to prove himself in the playoffs, he has already done that in the blistering seven-game series against the Celtics and even their losing effort against Cleveland. You can call Asik and Gibson good players!
    Tyrus Thomas was projected by many as having a higher ceiling than Aldridge. Furthermore Aldridge, until this year, was never projected as a typical BIG MAN! He showed signs of being, and many considered him, SOFT! He still doesn't like to mix it up on the inside and prefers the non-bruising finesse game.

  • In reply to Normie:

    Well, that's your opinion. Noah might have been an all-star but Alridge was almost an all-star too. I am not talking about how they were projected or what they were in the 2/3 years after they were drafted...I am talking about now. Right now, Aldridge is a better offensive player than Noah while Noah provides something the Bulls need. If they were drafted now, I am sure Alridge will be picked by Noah over most people. FYI, I thought Noah was a good player and still think he is a great player for the Bulls. Maybe he will prove me wrong in the playoffs this year but Aldridge is the best player of the four(Aldridge, Noah, Taj, Asik).That's my take.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    here's my take, what are paxson's two worst moves? ben wallace signing and tyrus. at the time they were made, they both looked pretty good to me.

    wallace was one of my favorite players in detroit, and i was excstatic we nabbed him. tyrus looked like a player with a lot of upside while aldridge looked a bit limited. i don't fault him too mmuch for either move cuz i might have done the same for both of these.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Miller & Haslem all have 15% Trade Kickers

    The last 3 are virtually untradeable at this point.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    If the Bulls finish with the best record in the east and finish with more wins than Miami, LA, Orlando, and OKC, you could make the argument for a clean sweep of MVP, COY, and EOY. I don't know if they'd win all 3, but they should damn sure get MVP and COY and be in the top 2 or 3 of the EOY voting.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I really could care less about the "G.M. of the Year" award. I do care about the G.M. and the job he's doing, but this award is something I'd never remember if Gar/Pax won three or none.

    I have to agree that while normally G.M.s bare a lot of responsibility when they build a contender Dirk/Amare at No.9, the Spurs late first/second rounders, brining in Scottie and Horace in the same draft, or Nash and Amare etc., but with Riley and Gar/Pax not so much. Wade recruited Bosh and LeBron. Sure Riley helped give legitimacy and coercion not to mention mercilessly lieing to players and gutting the roster. I'm thinking there's an illegal McHale/Joe Smith type agreement with Haslem as well. But Wade is the reason those guys are there.

    And for the Bulls they said themselves Beasley was an obviously immature walking red flag. So those ping pong balls/ 1.7% is who we have to thank for Derrick, and as far as Thibs he was(after I thought about it with Jeff Van Gundy, and his horrid offenses and draconian laws thereof) that left Thibs as the only blue chipper coming off of two NBA Finals with rave reviews from a cavalcade of star players and winners. When a classy guy like Yao invites/pleads with you to come work with him in China that says a lot. And coralling the egos of Pierce and Garnett while remaining well liked says a lot too.

    Thibs and Derrick are the 80% reason the Bulls are back as winners/elite. And Noah was a great move that I will give them a lot of credit for that. And 2010 was no surprise(they had time to prepare), but they did well. Boozer, Watson(and Asik/Pax) were all solid moves. But no wizardry there. There's no drafting Scottie and Horace in the same draft or anything like that. Just a good job with some huge luck. If that makes them "Exec of the Year" It doesn't change anything/fan opinion. Talking a B or B+. But no Kukoc 2nd Rounder, Grant/Pip, Parker/Ginobli, . So unless you pull off some true magic like that out of thin air then you're no star/legend. And not on anybodies conversation list/mind.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Sure, they're lucky to get Rose, but they did the rest. One of the big advantages they have is depth and the bench. Gar brought in guys who fit the coach's philosophy and who know how to fill the exact role they are being asked to play, which is ultimately why this team is ahead of the Heat, whose tops players have yet to figure out how they fit.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    if u take a look at the roster, u'll notice there aren't real talents once u take off rose and boozer. If all the rest players looks that valuable, it is because of Thibs. I mean he makes them work and play hard. the credits go definitly to Thibs and Rose(Derrick is our offense). I have never liked GarPax most of all paxson.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Did Noah & Deng leave the team? Because you can't credit Thibs for them, they were good players under VDN and/or Skiles. Even guys like Brewer (one of the best defensive wings in the league) and Korver (one of the best three point shooters in the league) are talented (but not well rounded) players, Utah only let them go because of budget concerns not because they thought they sucked.

    The roster has plenty of talent, it may not have star power but luckily ability to make the front page of ESPN isn't what wins games.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I agree that the Bulls don't have elite talent, and I never said they Gar brought in top-notch talent. He built a team with pieces that fit the style of the coach, and the coach took the ball and ran with it. Rose and Thibs deserve the most credit, but the team's not where they are without the front office either.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    deewaves, you're such a lunatic it makes my head hurt!

  • In reply to deewaves: do the heat look once you take lebron and wade? let's put it this way, you're running a lineup of chalmers, james jones, mike miller, bosh and illguaskas. try that against watson, brewer, deng, gibson and noah...

  • In reply to scottplummer:

    Bosh gets an extra $100k this year if anyone cares.

  • In reply to scottplummer:

    Sorry, it's 35 million (110 vs 75).

    Yes, he's signed for one year more, do you think that extra year at 20 million is a good or bad deal for Chris Bosh?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    It's a good deal for Bosh. He would be the number free agent on the market the summer. Boozer would be 1a. Neither are overpaid.

  • In reply to scottplummer:

    Based on his current play, Boozer is absolutely overpaid, but we sort of knew that going in.

    unfortunately, he seems to be playing like we feared he would in year 5 in year 1.

  • In reply to scottplummer:

    "Overpaid" is relative. In Milwaukee or even Orlando, Bosh isn't overpaid. Given the hole Miami needs (needed filling), he's in no way trending toward benching his weight -- figurately and literally.

    Miami would've been justified in paying Booz the max, given what he adds that he so scarce on the Heat roster. Another example, if the Heat -- hypothetically -- worked out a sign-and-trade with Memphis to exchange Bosh for Z-Bo in the offseason, that'd be one of deals where both teams get significantly better.

    Bosh is overpaid in the sense that what he adds, compared to what that team needs can be found for less than $14-15m a year. What more size and athleticism could add would be more justifiable.

  • In reply to scottplummer:

    Gar Forman is a myth, he doesn't actually exist...jk, good article, I never thought about putting the pieces together and how well mgmt has done so. They've been drafting well the past few years, and made some good trades. I was a little worried about shipping so many Jazz players over, but they've played together and are comfortable. I never gave much thought to exec of the year before this, but given their moves, it's definitely worth talking about.

  • In reply to jj320:

    But how is Boozer going to work in the low post with Omer and Joakim on the floor? You can't put those guys on the perimeter.

    Luol Deng cant take SGs off the dribble with his ball handling and speed, he'd need to post them up, which he can't do for because you've already got too many guys in the post.

    A team would just stick 3 guys in the paint against that lineup, and then Rose would struggle to drive as well.

    Defensively, we'd be able to protect the basket, but we'd get killed on the perimeter where Boozer and Deng would have difficulty guarding their men (Boozer would be helpless against opposing SFs).

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    isn't he already helpless against whomever Thibs tries to hide him against.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I have a ton of respect for Coach Nick's analysis, but agree with Doug as to how he was way off with this suggestion. I'd rather hide Boozer at the basket with Noah covering as much real estate as he does than depending on Booz to man-up with the best pure scorers in the game and be the third man completing help rotations.

    And that lineup doesn't fool anyone. The best big defender is still gonna stick to Booz on the offensive end and the Bulls offense requires space inside to use penetration to create high-percentage options.

  • In reply to jj320:

    the chicago bulls game would be too slow with this lineup.

  • In reply to jj320:

    Anybody who still insists that Deng can play(guard)2 guard is not watching the game. As they say you are who you can guard. Deng can't guard 2's. He is closer to a 4(stretch version)than he is to a 2.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I agree if only one award comes the Bulls way it should be coach of the year. It's the only one I really don't have an argument with.

    My big problem with exec of the year is it often goes to teams that show a one year improvement and then regress right back down, in fact most GMs who win it are fired within a few years of winning. I don't think the Bulls are in that category, but I think if the Bulls are still a legit contender next year then Gar deserves the award. But of course next year some other team will have added more wins while the Bulls remain relatively stable so he'll have no chance.

    FWIW I think RC Buford should win the award, he's had his team so good for so long and he just keeps finding role players for it. He even has the team on pace to win 17 more games so for once the Spurs fit the improvement criteria. It's ridiculous that neither he nor Popovich before him has won it.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    don't forget Asik for ROY!

    blake doesn't count as he is a redshirt rookie and plays for the clippers. john wall is a point guard who has won 1 road game. landry fields is alright, but bulls wouldn't trade asik for him. dmc might never smell the playoffs.

    so Asik for ROY!

    ROY of the playoffs, anyway.

  • Plus, how does Riley get credit for player collusion? That was the main thing that pushed the deal through and all of a sudden people think he's some kind of evil genius.

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    In reply to davebursill:

    Exactly. Dwyane Wade is my choice for exec of the year. He's the one that pulled off that deal, and he bested every GM in the league doing it. Way to put that CHSD 218 noggin to work Dwyane.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    I think Riley gets it eventually. If we switch Gar Forman with Pat Riley, do you think the LBJ,Bosh,Wade trio will go to Miami? They went to Miami because they believe somehow Riley with his experience of winning championships will somehow guide them and knows how to build a championship team(whether it is true or not). I don't think they would have gone to Miami if Gar Forman was the GM and they didn't have Pat Riley. So, we cannot discount Riley's recruiting ability. But that said, Forman should probably get it next year if he can add a good SG and the Bulls do well.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    +10. Dwayne Wade did it, not Riley.

  • In reply to davebursill:

    I had never thought of this, but it's a great point. If the Bulls are better than the Heat, have hired the possible coach of the year, and have more flexibility moving forward, how can he not be the more deserving candidate? Of course, you're right that he won't win, but he should.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    can u explain me where will be the flexility once Rose will sign an extension ? I don't know how could we improve the team later that's why i hope the current roster is already a championship caliber team. Hopeffuly they can win the title. if not tell me what's the plan for next year.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Read the article.

    The Bulls have non guaranteed contracts they can use as filler in trade for two seasons, plus some cap room and bogans non guaranteed deal this year.

    They can match up salaries and save teams money + they have all their draft choices and 2 1st rounders from other teams to peddle as well.

    Miami has no ability to match contracts in trades and has no draft choices it cant trade for about 5 more seasons.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    How about Wade for executive of the year?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Ha! Not a bad idea...he may have had more to do with the big 3 than Riley did. It was their friendships that brought them together more than anything.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Riley and Wade acted in concert. It was preplanned industrial espionage and they worked it to perfection. Remember prior to free agency when Wade publicly questioned Bulls loyalty to its former players? That statement and its timing was pure Riley. And Wade interviewing with other teams to learn their plans? A well executed plan of disinformation.

    Riley and Wade prepared together for 2010 free agency for two years. Riley was the mastermind and Wade the willing accomplice, IMO.
    Riley and Wade are Co-executives of the year, IMO.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Great piece! Strong points...hard to argue or disagree with anything there. Notice, though, that you used "GarPax" toward the end....Do you think the perception that Paxson is still heavily involved hurts Foreman's chances at all?

  • In reply to walrus:

    I don't think it hurts Forman's chances at all.

    I think the Bulls management team works as a team from everything I've read, and they've done a great job.

  • In reply to davebursill:

    Riley and Wade acted in concert. It was preplanned industrial espionage and they worked it to perfection. Remember prior to free agency when Wade publicly questioned Bulls loyalty to its former players? That statement and its timing was pure Riley. And Wade interviewing with other teams to learn their plans? A well executed plan of disinformation.

    Riley and Wade prepared together for 2010 free agency for two years. Riley was the mastermind and Wade the willing accomplice, IMO.
    Riley and Wade are Co-executives of the year, IMO.

  • In reply to davebursill:

    Good points and enjoyed the article.

    Was kind of expecting a "Post 20 game stretch" article one of these days though.

    16-4 ... has to have exceeded all of our expectations.
    Going .800 over that stretch, against that level of competition, and throwing in 2 five game road trips in there ... I'm pretty damn impressed with this team right now.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    Haha, that was my plan for today, but I forgot about it. I'll probably throw one together tomorrow.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    It would be also good if you can add some 5 surprising things which might happen in the next 20 games.
    Ex: Rasual Butler might get an avg of 10/12 mins/game or
    Boozer will go 20/10 more consistently
    Celts will slip to the 3rd seed(I think it is possible)

  • I don't think Rose is the most talented player in the league though. The reason he has such a great chance to win is because the most talented individuals have generally had disappointing team seasons.

    If the Magic were on pace to win 60 games, then Howard would easily defeat Rose in an MVP contest. Same with the Thunder and Durant most likely.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    and if Miami had the spurs record, Lebron would get it, or maybe even Wade.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    i think the thing that makes rose mvp is the way he's used. he's the absolute director of the offense, everything runs through him. the system might actually make hiim look better than he is, we don't know, but he's so important, he should win.

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