Why the hell would the Bulls want Anthony Parker?

Why the hell would the Bulls want Anthony Parker?

Look, the Bulls could use an upgrade at SG.  We all agree with that.   Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah?   All all-star caliber players if healthy.    Luol Deng, playing at an above average level.    That's four of your five starters.   Tough to upgrade those positions isn't it?    

However, the Bulls best SG is Ronnie Brewer.   I'm not going to get trapped into saying you need to upgrade Keith Bogans, you don't.  He's really the eighth man by minutes and just happens to be starting.   As an eighth man, do you need to upgrade Keith Bogans?   You could, but how many teams' fans really sit there and harp on how to upgrade their eighth man?   It's silly,

All we really want out of Bogans is to play defense, shoot open threes, and make the smart play.   Since January 1st, Bogans is shooting 46% from the three point line.   He's played better defense, made the right pass, and generally played much better.

Anthony Parker has shot 39% from the three point line on the season and missed most of January with an injury.   Parker puts up more shots for the Cavaliers than Bogans does for the Bulls, but Parker's not going to be launching that many shots per game if he's here, because he's going to be relegated to Keith Bogans minutes.

Per minute, Bogans is scoring 8.2 points per 36 minutes to Anthony Parker's 10.4.   It's not really a large difference, and it only amounts to Parker shooting a couple more times a game.   Shots he also may not get here per minute either. 

Is Parker's offense really better than Bogans?    I don't think it's better by any notable amount than what Bogans has been able to do recently.   Is his defense better?  I don't think it is, but I have to be honest, I'm not watching Cavs games every day either.

I was talking with a friend within the Bulls organization, someone who has no problem telling me like it is and not sugar coating it.   He said the fans have no idea how much of a positive impact Bogans makes on the team.  He's a great locker room guy, he's great at helping the attitude, and that he's a really important part of their chemistry. 

It reminded me that there's a lot going on that we don't see on the team.  We don't see practice.   We don't see in the locker room.   We only see what happens on the court.   Keith Bogans is close enough to Anthony Parker on the court that I'm not sure I'd give up a 2nd rounder for the upgrade.   However, you factor in the locker room importance, chemistry, and time it would take for Parker to learn the Bulls schemes, and I don't think it makes any sense to acquire Parker.

If the Bulls can get a legitimate upgrade at the deadline go for it.  However, Anthony Parker isn't that.

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  • I really don't see anything we can do by the trade deadline.

    Courtney Lee
    Anthony Parker
    Stephen Jackson

    Anybody else out there we can look at? Who gives us the best chance to win? How much do we give up? These are all questions that have to be answered. I just don't see a move coming.

    And NO, Melo is not coming to Chicago.

  • SIDE NOTE:

    James Johnson is returning to the team tomorrow. He averaged 19 pts and 9 rebounds per game. If he isn't traded before the deadline, I really hope he geta some time out there. I doubt it though.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    JJ may get a chance to show what he can do before the trade deadline. Either he could earn some minutes or he could improve his trade value. Thibs might not like it, but management may ask him to do it in the short run just to see what happens.

    The problem, though, is that JJ hasn't been practicing with the team, so can he get into flow before February 24? Also, will he be too eager to show what he can do in the few minutes he is given? Will he blow assignments, turn the ball over, and get a quick hook?

    I do hope he gets some minutes. I would love to see him give Deng relief.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    No offense doug but you and that friend of yours from within the organization don't know what the heck you're talking about.it's obvious the bulls lack scoring..a true shooter that can knock down a wide open jumper for cheap . I don't know if you have notice but ronnie brewer's jump shot is going to get you nowhere since he CAN'T hit anywhere from the floor..sure his defense is great, but offense is just as important as defense. Keith bogans will not be going anywhere, so i don't see the issue of him being a great guy in the locker room since he will still be there.Kyle korver can be your SG but he's just offense with atrocious defense . Anthony can bring offense and not bad defense PLUS it's a second round pick most of you need to stop being cheap and stingy if you have a whole in your team and a guy can fill it..then pull the trigger.Isn't his contract also expiring? jeez am all for saving and chemistry but you gotta know when to be smart and pull the trigger.

  • In reply to blueclue1:

    Anthony Parker is putting up 10 points per 36 minutes on 39% from the field.

    If you're talking to me about adding a real offensive option then I'm excited to do so, but Parker isn't that type of guy. He can't create his shot at all, and he's not an elite shooter by any stretch.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    obviously if you want a guy that can create his own shot i.e OJ mayo you're going to have to do better than a 2nd round pick. but it's just a 2nd round pick for a guy who can hit a wide open shot (i think that 39 percent is misleading )of course you're not going to get wide open shots when you have mo williams as your guard..derrick rose can i think he's an upgrade over keith bogans . and it's worth a shot listen you're 3rd in the east and you can't just led seasons go by ..if he doesn't work out then we won't lose.. we still got keith..and parkers contract expires..it's a lot more of what you'll get out of a 2 rounder.

  • In reply to blueclue1:

    You lose your chemistry by bringing in a mediocre player to clog up minutes. You'll likely reduce Brewer/Korvers minutes some if you bring in Parker as well which hurts the team.

  • In reply to blueclue1:

    Ya Parker will probably leave the Cavs for nothing....they might as well get a pick out of him. Who knows....if they end up getting a steal in the 2nd round...the trade deff. worked in their favor.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Well, just send Mr. Parker over to us, we'll straighten him out.
    Great post!! Thank you.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Thank Goodness, no more Omer Asik Trade Rumors

    Nice to see the Asik trade rumors have diminished.

    Asik had 11 rebounds in 14 minutes over the weekend against New Orleans. I think Bulls management is looking forward to what Omer Asik will be in his 2nd year. Me too.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    I have no desire to make a minor upgrade ... especially when it means trading away pieces that are just as important.

    You mentioned something a few days ago, something that's been on my mind lately as well.
    Sure, we all want the championship. And if we can get there, then great, let's do it.
    But before the season started, we were probably slotted in around the 4-6 seed in the East with 50 wins being a good season for us.
    Now, the expectations have gone much higher. And I love it.
    But let's not let our expectations go into the unrealistic zone. This may take another year to make work.

    We're fighting for the #2 seed ... #1 isn't completely out of the picture, even though I don't expect us to get it, and a top 3 seed is almost guaranteed as long as we have no lapses.
    55 wins? Completely possible. 56? 57? Not bad.

    Why are we so quick to want to change a team that's still learning together, still growing together, and could still be on track for a 57 win, #2 seed season?
    I realize Bogans, and even Brewer, have deficiencies. But unless we are very nearly GUARANTEED to get something better, then a change right now is just a huge risk that I have no desire to take. Parker and Lee are just not worth the price and/or the risk in my opinion.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    it's a 2-round pick they are asking.
    no pieces will be gone.
    the cavs are looking to get as much picks as possible.
    you get a player who can hit a wide open 3 and still play defense unlike korver and brewer.
    brewer gives you defense but he doesn't spread the floor.
    he packs it in because he's always by the base line.
    you need guys who are threats

  • In reply to Vedo:

    If u can't at least upgrade bogans spot, if u cant at least give up asik for Lee : that means u trust this team.
    OK Bulls are too good, best team in the nba !! they can beat miami and boston at anytime. they're gonna win the championship with this roster !! They dont need melo, Courtney Lee, parker. They need nothing !!! loooooooll , asik, brewer are too good to be given up !! LFMO !! bulls don't need any upgrade !!!!!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    It's quite a leap of logic to go from ...
    Trusting the team, and liking what we have done so far to
    Thinking that they are the most dominant, unstoppable team in the league.

    But there's a difference between reality and fantasy.
    In a fantasy league, we'd upgrade anyone and everyone in anyway we wanted.
    In reality, we have to live with upgrades that are within our power ... and don't damage our team.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Getting Parker for nothing (a 2nd round pick) and not losing anyone is worth a shot if nothing else pans out imo. Just seems worth it to add a shooter. As has been stated we could prolly sign him on the cheap for next year if wanted/needed and have an asset for trading.

    Where as I dont think Asik for Lee is worth it due to Asik's upside based on his performance thus far.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    deewaves, I listened to ESPN radio last night and their anchor Freddie Coleman was warning the rest of the league that there is a force out there that can win it all and that force is called the CHICAGO BULLS. He didn't mention your hero MELO as a potentiaL member of the Bulls. He said this Bulls team WITH NOAH back in the saddle.

  • In reply to Normie:

    c'mon man. i'm real a bulls fan like u. My dream is to see chicago bulls champions once again. i hope the best for this team but frankly do u think that we can beat miami or boston with the current roster ?? do really u think chicago is a force out there that can win it all ??
    I can understand the fact that u don't wanna take a risk of giving up noah for Melo. But that make me upset is the fact that most of u are so confident in this team that u don't anymore want a SG. I u don't want AP or Lee just for draft pick or asik, it means u dont want any change. U dont even want to give up one of the worst player in the team (asik): don't tell me that u want changes. U just really believe this team can win a title !! that's madness !!

    When u see Heat, can u imagine bulls beating them 4 games in playoffs? four ?? Think about seriously FOUR !!I'm not pessimistic, i'm realistic ! Bulls always overrate their players !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    So you think if we get Anthony Parker that we'll beat Miami? Is that the stance you're taking? Those of us who don't want to trade for Anthony Parker just don't want to win, because if we trade for him we will?

    I think that's madness.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    No it's a big edge because in playoffs opponents will hesitate to double-teamed Rose. And if they do, Parker will hit open shot easier than bogans.

  • In reply to Normie:

    Doug,
    I understand your point now. The value Bulls could give in a trade is to take back a massive contract (Iggy, Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy, etc.) and give short-term or expiring deals in return (Korver, Brewer, Watson etc.)

    But knowing Reinsdorf and with the new CBA coming, I just don't see the Bulls going that route. Do you? Those are some NASTY contracts! I mean I pity Atlanta and Portland, WOW!

    I think Bulls will try to get a younger player on a modest contract - Courtney Lee, Arron Affalo, or develop a young talent themselves.

    Iggy is interesting as he is athletic enough to impact, but not a good enough shooter, IMO. But is Philly still interested in trading Iggy with how well Collins has them playing now?

  • In reply to Edward:

    Here's the interesting thing though, for someone like Joe Johnson. Take the Hawk's situation where they lost 7.3 million last year ... on the face of it they need to dump salary and that Johnson contract is stupid. However the owners want to roll back the player's share of revenue from 57% to 41%. If that had happened last year then instead of spending 69 million on salary the Hawks would only have been paying 50 million and instead of a 7 million dollar loss they'd make a 12 million dollar profit.

    That's why nobody is dumping their overpaid players right now. The owners believe with the new CBA it's not going to matter, they wont need to cut salary to stop the bleeding. If the owners get their way then the days of expiring contracts being worth anything are over, it'll be impossible to lose money in the NBA unless you really screw up.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Iggy? Kind of overrated, Uncle Jerry won't touch that contract.
    For all the hype and ballyhoo about his athleticism, did anyone see that embarrassing high-flying dunk that he totally missed a few days ago? How embarrassing!

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Maybe the better question is: 'Why the hell would the Bulls want to be over-protective of a non-top-40 draft pick?'

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    Why give away any asset for nothing?

    Anthony Parker (unless you trade Bogans) just causes a minutes crunch without improving the product any. Now, you've pissed off the guys currently playing the two with overcrowding and infused your locker room with negative energy so you can get a guy who has the exact same game as Keith Bogans.

    Why take the chemistry while losing a small asset for a guy who is not notably better than what you have?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    u call AP nothing ??? How can u qualify one the nba 3p shooter of nothing ??

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Because he's simply not that good. He doesn't create his own shot, has no dribble game, and can only hit spot up threes. That's an extremely small skillset which is why he's been a deep bench player throughout his career.

    He's an okay role player, but he's only a small upgrade over Bogans and not worth the chemistry risk.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    He doesn't create his own shot, has no dribble game, and can only hit spot up threes like bogans. But when he is open, he has more odds of knocking it down. It seems like u change ur mind about bogans. His recent playing could be a simple luck. Like Road Warrior said, bogans wont keep it in playoffs, Parkel will.

    U guys here like to evoke the term chemestry. How adding a quiet veteran could waste a team chemistry ??

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I don't understand how this chemistry risk is rationalized. Again, I'm fine with standing pat because I don't see this team as a title contender, nor is there an accessible player to make them so. Considering the status quo and the direction they're trending, I'm cool with a second-round crash-n-burn at worse or competitive conference finals bust.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    It's a chemistry risk because everyone has their role now.

    You bring in a new guy and who's role changes? Do you cut Bogans out entirely even though he's a locker room leader? If not, you're taking even more minutes from Brewer/Korver, if so, it's probably not so great for the existing locker room.

    Parker is only marginally better than Bogans, but he doesn't know the schemes on either side of the ball and hasn't built up any continuity with the present players. If he was considerably better, who would care? But given that he's not, those things are likely to leave you in a position where you aren't upgrading.

    Throw into the mix the fact that you already have to integrate Noah back into the lineup in a week, and I just don't see any benefit to this move.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Vedo,

    I reported that on here 1 week ago. The Bulls have made it official..

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    and the Bulls reported it one week before you

  • You say Bogans is probably 8th man and he is contributing decently this month for an 8th man. But, he is not an 8th man...he is playing with the starters when they are doubling Rose. An 8th man probably might play 3/4th of his minutes with the bench players and a little bit with a few starters. He will then not have even this kind of production.
    Parker is a veteran and will help the team definitely. Is Bogans some kind of psychologist? The point is Parker probably will bring all the other qualities which Bogans brings plus a little bit of an upgrade in talent at a cheap price.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    If all it costs is a 2nd rounder for Parker...then Ill take him and his expiring deal going into the summer.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    It's a valid point, but also consider he is out there against the other teams starters as opposed to bad bench defenders most of the time so it kind of goes both ways.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Does that matter? I have never seen anyone guard Bogans whether they are from starting unit or bench. He has hit/missed his shots when he has been wide open.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I mean it has to matter some, he's facing better players as a starter than he would as an end of the rotation player.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Mayo/Melo or bust

  • In reply to calle3:

    are u the one who insulted me when i talked about Melo ?? have u changed ur mind that quickly ??

  • In reply to deewaves:

    i insulted someone else who said Deng was better than Melo

  • In reply to calle3:

    ok joins us in the Melo group becuz this team needs him .

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Courtney Lee destroyed Denver and Carmelo Anthony tonight. In 26 minutes off the bench Lee was 8-14 for 22pts including 5-7 3pointers. Also 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, +25.

    I'd take Lee in a heartbeat.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I disagree with one thing Doug, if you upgrade your 8th man, to a starting caliber, above average 2 guard, then eveyone can slide down a spot, and Brewer would perhaps become your new 8th man. Makes everyone better from 5-8 in the rotation. Bogans we be an emergency player. Having said that, I like the way Bogans has been playing, and any move to upgrade the 2 would become a luxury.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I don't think Parker upgrades talent any. He's not notably more or at a notably better efficiency rating and is probably worse defensively.

  • Parker is not an upgrade and I do agree with Doug, the Bulls should not waste a draft pick even if it is a second round pick on a guy that's not going to be with the team in the future. However he would help with a little of the perimeter scoring if the Bulls do pull the trigger on the trade. If the Bulls do decide to make a trade, ugliest it will be a trade that will catch people by surprise, and a trade that will be a long term upgrade but as far as Parker, the Bulls can and should look for someone better.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Ronnie Brewer can't shoot and his head is not always in the game, like the time recently when Thibs almost lost it when with the game still not nailed down and the opposition with a foul to give, Brewer, with a clear path to the basket, and the opportunity to put more points on the board and nail down the win, elected to dribble out the clock. We won the game, but the look on Thibs' face said it all. I thought he would be called to ride the bench for the rest of the game.

  • In reply to Normie:

    I remember that game! Good point! I was like what the heck is he doing? Why not go dunk the ball & get fouled? Or at least get the 2 pts. Not more then a second or two came off with his decision and we would have added two more points! You almost always take the points especially easy ones like he had!

  • In reply to Normie:

    Trade a 2nd round pick for a backup PG, a true PG YES
    ...For Anthony Parker from the Cavs...no!

  • Glad to see you're coming around Doug. ;-) The bulls could use Parker as insurance for somebody getting hurt. They only have 13 on the roster, so one more guy can't hurt. And as far 2nd picks go, unless they are going to get another Asik, giving up a 2nd pick means almost nothing. How many second round picks have made the roster in the last 10 years? I can only think of 2, Duhon and Asik. Was Roger Mason a second round pick?

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Bulls suck at drafting in the 2nd round. Theres always players there but we never go after them.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Huh?

    I think the Bulls have been great in the second round for the most part.

    Chris Duhon, Aaron Gray, Omer Asik (though they had to trade for him) and JamesOn Curry are the only guys who've come from the second round since the Bulls have had this regime (unless I'm forgetting about someone, we've traded away craploads of 2nds).

    2 of those guys have stuck in the league past their rookie deals, a third (Omer) seems overwhelmingly likely to do so.

    Go compare that to what any other team is getting on average out of it's second rounders.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Depends when you count as this regime, but you probably should count Mario Austin and Tommy Smith who never made the team.

  • The squad has a lot of upheaval this year. Eight new players, two major injuries (fortunately only short-term) that have effected the chemistry. We still have got to re-integrate JoNo into the starting 5 with Booz. I think at this stage of the season unless we can get Afflalo (who I think would be the perfect SG for this team) then we wait. Yes the new CBA might remove exceptions (doubt it some how: maybe some of them, can be used less often and have less value) but unless we want a rental to give a scoring boost off the bench (BG anyone lol) then I say we keep the squad as is and then re-assess ALL players this summer with a view to adjusting the squad. The next 2 months will give GarPax the opportunity to see which players are suited to Thibs and are keepers and which ones we can look to move.

    As it is I think the biggest assest we have for moving is actually KK. Now hear me out. I like the guy and has proven to be a great shooter, in the right situation. I think we have all seen that Thibs wants him to be the new Ray Allen. That is never going to happen. KK is at his best as a spot-up 3 pt shooter and unless Thibs can use his strengths then I say he is dispensable. He has a sensible contract (2 yrs at $5mill per after this) and I'm sure there are many teams who would love to have his talent on their team. Ronnie is the perfect 6th man defender to counter the Jet's and Crawfords of the league. He fits perfectly with what Thibs wants to do so agree with Doug that Ronnie is great coming off the bench.
    So with only 30 games left to get JoNO and Booz playing as a dynamic front court the last thing we need is to have to integrate a new SG especially if the upgrade is minimal.

  • I agree that a 2nd round pic doesn't have much utlility but if we were going to use it like I think we should before the trade deadline on 2/24 is to get another backup PG. CJ isn't that great of a backup PG, much more of a small SG or combo guard. Id love to get a very good ball handler PG (not another combo guard)to come in when Rose takes a brief rest.

  • I hope JJ gets some playing time and has his confidence up and realizes that his chances with this team or the NBA in general are becoming slimer for him so he better absorb himself into learning what the team needs from him or what his niche is playing for another NBA team before it is too late!
    He has the body and athletism to be great, but need to get NBA smart quick or will be another Tyrus Thomas (awesome potential, bonehead...or like Kwame another Cat bonehead who was a MJ bust so far).

  • I wrote that I'm fine with standing pat, but Parker for a second-rounder is a good deal. That second-round pick is gonna be in the 41-48 range. If they had the Kings' second-rounder, there's a more worthy argument to protect it, but given the second-rounders the Bulls have (and I'm pretty there are two, right? The Suns and Jazz?), they're not picks as much as bait.

    If the Bulls were in any other city, I'd say shop the pick for Tony Allen, but every minute he's in this city is a ticking time bomb.

  • Agree...Bogans is being over-rated by Doug. Except for the New Orleans game, his impact has been almost minimal. The biggest problem for the Bulls is actually the trade deadline. Noah is coming back around that time and that doesn't give them any time to study how he meshes with others. But that said, we have seen if a team takes out Noah in the playoffs...we are pretty much dependent on Rose to do everything. There are quite a few teams with abundance of wing players(Min,Mem,Sac)..The problem is do you want a 8/9th player of a team who can't even make the playoffs. I think other than the no-brainer guys like Affalo, Mayo, etc...we have to go with Parker. A 2nd round pick is only useful if we get lucky...Out of 30 players in the 2nd round, there are probably 1 or 2 who will really consistently contribute eventually to a contending team.

  • Parker can easily be the backup SG for the Bulls next year if he does well this year and can resign at a min or a little more. Parker performed decently last year with LeBron. Deng and Rose are not consistent in their 3 pt shooting. It is more like their least good skill. We need a player whose 3 pt shooting is one of his top skills. We just don't have anyone except Korver.

  • Look at Portland..Didn't they draft a 3/4 guys this previous draft. And none of them are really contributing anything with all their injuries and them being a playoff team. If we are worried about missing on a Landry Fields, the probability is more of a bust like a lot of them were.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    And the second-round rare assets are usually picked by bad teams with little to by cultivating a project. The Bulls are too good and trending too high to consider time and energy on such projects in addition to the status quo.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    *little to lose

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    I'd agree that Parker isnt a huge upgrage over Bogans 2011. I'd still be fine with getting Parker for a 2nd round pick and having another shooter option if we need it. He's a veteran and would prolly fit in nicely especially after escaping that death sentence in CLE. As good as Bogans is playing as of late does anyone still want him starting in the Playoffs? A small upgrade is all this team needs at SG and seems like a good risk.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    I don't think the Bulls will use a 2nd and cultivate him (well possibly, but most likely not), but they will use that 2nd in a trade that does more than bring in Anthony Parker for 3 months.

  • I agree with Doug. If Bogans is a great locker room presence then keep him by all means. He plays limited minutes while Brewer splits his "starter" level minutes between Rose and CJ making our bench rotation strong.
    Let's see how we do with Jo back for a dozen games or so first. We may just realize we are very close to the finals.

  • how about deaquan cook he is a good 3 point shooter trade him for a 2nd round pick

  • oh yeah caron butler he is a free agent next year maybe a said an trade

  • Good idea. I would go a step further and trade JJ and CJ for Parker and Gibson if salaries work. Gibson can do the CJ role.

  • Bulls dilemma is lack of assets. They need to ADD an impact level SG, but can

  • In reply to Edward:

    The key will be to take on salary.

    Guys like Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson, and Andre Iguodala might be available due to massive contracts with scary performance.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The new CBA is going to make that really hard IMO. If owners cut salary by the 25% or so that's been thrown around suddenly nobody is going to care so much if their players are overpaid relative to the league because their teams wont be losing money.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    People will always want more money.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If you're just in it for the money you don't buy a sports team (in general, teams in huge markets might be the exception). I think most owners want to win so long as it's not actively costing them money.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I don't think that Iggy will be available for the assets that you mentioned on your podcast. No way.

  • +2 a 2nd round pick would probably not play at all on this team

  • Yep couldnt agree more with you guys

  • Listening to the Radio today, they said the Bulls will have about 17mil coming off the books after next season. I guess we have a lot of expring/3rd year option deals. If this is true.....then I will just wait til the summer or next year around the deadline to make a move. You can deff. get a good player then.

  • Let's flip the script:

    Why would Cleveland want to trade Parker for a late 2nd round pick that, as everyone on here keeps pointing, is virtually worthless?

  • In reply to tekioko:

    Could be the most they could get and there's no reason to keep him without playoff ambitions, knowing he isn't returning. Parker's contract and career are expiring. Of teams reasonably willing to rent him, the Bulls are the only one that isn't aging too much as it is.

  • In reply to tekioko:

    another persons junk is another persons treasure.

    cleveland isn't close to the bulls...and if parker is not going to be back next season..and your team is in rebuild mode..any pick is worth it.

  • In reply to tekioko:

    all that cash that is coming off the books.
    derrick rose will need and will be looking for a big contract..so don't get your hopes up boys.

    only way we can improve like you guys are dreaming of..is by going over the limit.look at teams like the lakers..the magic...the celtics....ALL over the limit.

  • In reply to tekioko:

    Yea exactly...im not really sure how our money will look once we sign Rose to the MAX an the guys like Kurt,Brewer,Watson,Korver, Bogans all are expiring. Jerry has said, if we are title contenders he will go into the luxury. So hopefully he sticks to his word, or else we need a new freakin owner.

  • I think Doug is putting too much weight into Bogans numbers in the past month, not to pull a Hollinger, but Bogans is bound for a return to the mean. He's likely hit his peak for the season and the odds that he is shooting 30% or lower from three come playoff time is much higher than the odds that he is any where near the numbers he's put up in January.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Bogans is a career 35% 3pt shooter. I think January was more him returning to the mean after a bad start.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    35 % is average. AP is 39 % like the best !!

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    exactly. One month of good shooting isn't enough to forget all of the bad bogans' games.

  • Nice way to look at it. Hell even if Bogans was playing decent all season, why not get rid of a 2nd round pick to add some shooting to the bench. 41% career from three is very solid.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Parker is 35, and he's shooting below 40% from the field this season. Let's not pretend that he's better than he is by throwing career numbers into the equation that were accumulated when he was far younger.

  • Ill do a Parker for 2nd Round Pick but what Im looking forward to is this summer an next trade deadline/2012 summer. If the Bulls do have a lot of cash coming off the books after next year....we might be looking at a really good player coming to the Chi. We would probably lose Brewer,Watson,Thomas, Bogans, maybe Korver but we would upgrade the SG with a stud and fill out the rest of the roster with probably draft picks or cheap players.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    We need to give big $ to Rose like we did already to Noah and Boozer.
    A quality SG like Mayo would be nice!
    Some teams like the Thunder play a purely defensive SG like former Bull Thabo at SG, but they have Durant one of the best high volume scorers in the league on their team!

  • Again, I agree with you Mitch!
    By the way, when did Ronnie Brewer become our best shooting guard, If he is then we're in trouble, hence the need for Parker.

  • In reply to Normie:

    Ronnie Brewer is 10x the shooting guard that Parker is, so if you're worried that Brewer is our best SG, then adding Parker changes nothing to that equation.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    a shooting guard means a guard who can shoot. Brewer can't shoot whereas AP is great shooter. It's a huge difference. Brewer had an air ball while shooting a FT in NOLA game.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    WORD OF THE DAY:

    Consistency.

    Who would give the Bulls CONSISTENT scoring from the wing position?

    By CONSISTENT I mean 20+ ppg.

    all know the ONLY person out there that can.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    +100 loooooool !

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why?

    Because a team can't win the championship without having a 20ppg wing scorer?

    I'll let the Spurs, Lakers, and Heat know they might as well just stop playing now.
    Apparently the Celtics are the only real contender out there because they have Allen who can score from the wing.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Oh and by the way....
    Afflalo out scored Carmello tonight.
    That must mean something, to somebody, somewhere.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    We'll get to see another young SG on Tuesday. Gerald Henderson was languishing in Larry Brown's dog house. Picked 12th in the 2009 draft, new coach Paul Silas committed to playing and developing Henderson, and he

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    FYI: The Bulls' wing players are getting outscored by 15-30 points, compared to BOS, MIA, SAS and LAL. Adding a MEDIOCRE SG won't get the job done.

    By job I mean...an NBA CHAMPIONSHIP.

    It's Melo or bust.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Mr Happy, I

  • In reply to Edward:

    Enough with the Melo talk Happy. My lord...ENOUGH!!!

  • In reply to Normie:

    Brewer is a way better player than Parker.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    are u kidding or what ??? brewer barely makes both FT !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I wouldn't call 68% "barely". Obviously it could be better, but it could certainly be worse (e.g. Rondo shots a 54% FTs, which is quite bad for a guard).

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Doug Thonus, be a little objective : How a player who has been shooting 45% FG and 41% from the 3pt line isn'T better than a player shooting 39% and 35% ???
    How in the world can u say that Bogans is better than AP ?? did u AP playing last year in cleveland ?

    I dont know if AP is as good as bogans in defense but i havent heard that AP is a bad defender !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    AP is 35 years old. He's shooting 39% this year. I don't expect that he's getting better, I expect that he's lost a step because, you know, he's at the end of his career.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    No, go check he is at 41 % like Korver.

    It's not i think three point shooting is such a weakness for the Bulls. The thing is i think bulls need a SG who can spread the floor for Rose. Defenders don't take brewer as a serious shooter that where the problem is.
    With AP on the floor, Rose won't be doubled that much because nobody is enough stupid to let AP,deng or Boozer wide-open. And When Rose isn't double teamed, he can score everytime. And if opponents do underestimate AP, he will knock down when wide open shot and that's where Brewer and bogans have been disappointing !!
    do u feel me ??

    it's all about playoffs. Miami and Boston won't double-teamed Rose if he is playing next AP and deng. Rose can hurt well their defense because noone could guard him one on one. If bogans or brewer on the court Rose will get doubled by Wade and chalmers and believe me if rose is off, chicago looses.

    It's just a second round pick, why are u overestimate this thing ?? most of second round picks get waived, get sent to the D-league or never get re-signed. Parker still has a place in the nba even after this season.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    No one is going to not double Rose because Anthony Parker is on the floor.

    He's shooting 41% on wide open threes. Kyle Korver would shoot 60% on the shots that Parker takes, but Korver doesn't get looks like those.

    I think that's the element here that you're missing. There are some players who are ridiculously good shooters, and opposing teams will never leave them. As such, their percentages are typically around similar levels to other guys because they only take, largely, vastly more difficult threes. Shots off screens, or where they need to run and come to a stop, or they have to set up 4-5 feet beyond the line.

    That's where a lot of Korver three attempts come into play. Parker isn't that kind of guy. Teams ignore him like they ignore 98% of teh shooters in the league and just hope they can rotate on time.

    It's the same reason that despite Brewer having absolutely no three point shot, he doesn't hurt the spacing any more than Keith Bogans does. Unless you are really, really good, teams don't cover weak side shooters, they crowd the paint and hope to rotate.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Parker is better at free throw shooting (largely irrelevant because he doesn't get to the line) and three point shooting. Brewer is better at pretty much every other aspect of basketball.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    which aspect of basketball are u talking about ?? look at their stats :
    is brewer a better ball handler ?? no
    is brewer a better assister ? no
    is brewe a better defender ?? yes
    is AP a bad defender ?? no
    Do the bulls need a SG ?? of course
    what does SG means ? a guard who can shoot
    So I'd rather have AP !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Neither guy is someone who handles the ball a lot and both get their assists from just throwing the ball around, they don't create for others.

    Brewer is a better scorer, he's a better rebounder, he's a better defender and in terms of forcing turnovers it's not even close.

    The only reason you could possibly think Parker is a better player is if you value three point shooting above all else. But I'm not even sure why you think three point shooting is such a weakness for the Bulls, they've made more threes than their opponents this year.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    i dont agree that brewer is a better scorer.
    It's not i think three point shooting is such a weakness for the Bulls. The thing is i think bulls need a SG who can spread the floor for Rose. Defenders don't take brewer as a serious shooter that where the problem is.

    With AP on the floor, Rose won't be doubled that much because nobody is enough stupid to let AP,deng or Boozer wide-open. And When Rose isn't double teamed, he can score everytime. And if opponents do underestimate AP, he will knock down when wide open shot and that's where Brewer and bogans have been disappointing !!

    do u feel me ??

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    it's all about playoffs. Miami and Boston won't double-teamed Rose if he is playing next AP and deng. Rose can hurt well their defense because noone could guard him one on one. If bogans or brewer on the court Rose will get doubled by Wade and chalmers and believe me if rose is off, chicago looses.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I absolutely guarantee that Miami and Boston would double off Parker like the do Bogans.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    but at least with parker , there far more chance of making open 3 pts tahn bogans. Theres is a difference between 41% and 35%

  • In reply to deewaves:

    If the Bulls are going to use that second round pick in any kind of trade/upgrade at SG then do it.

    Otherwise if not for Bogans getting hot lately I think most would have thought we need another shooter. I mean getting to the ECF is what is going to legitamize this team for next year and for Jerry going over into the tax right Doug?

    What do you go by: what a guy has shown you all year or what he has streaked into lately? I don't trust Bogans in the playoffs. We are going to need another three point shooter if we are going to get to the ECF make no doubt about it.

    My real question is is Anthony Parker relatively healthy, or is he really impaired/hurt with this back problem he's been having? Now if Parker is not realtively healthy then no I'm not interested. But if he is OK, then last year he shot .434 from the field. That's taking into account those three three's a game he takes at 40% which takes down his otherwise probably decent average.

    This year the Cavs are the worst team in the leauge. You take Parker out of that menagerie of garbage, and I bet he probably shoots .430 with 40% on threes. And his three attempts per game are the same as Korver's. Granted in a third more minutes, but the guy can still shoot threes and not be terrible shooting otherwise most likely. If the Bulls need to make a run this year to move this team forward, and get Jerry to pay the tax so we can contend then either make a trade/upgrade at SG or at least get another shooter which we do need in Parker the guy can can threes period. We need another shooter to make a run to the ECF. Everybody knows that. Bogans hot streak hasn't changed that.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    u're completly right my friend. I don't know why people get so excited about bogans last games. They have to consider that it could be luck. Even it isn't, i'm sure he cant shoot like that good in playoffs. IT'S ALL ABOUT PLAYOFFS. Parker has shot 41% his whole career like The best. He is at he same level as Korver, the only problem is his age if not I'd pick Parker at anytime instead of bogans.
    there's a huge difference between 35% and 41 %. Parker can even makes 3pts in front of his man whereas bogans need to be open : it's a big difference.
    Parker for a second round pick ?? I'd pull on the trigger without thinkind !

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    The problem is he's not taking Bogans place. If Thibs didn't bench Bogans when Bogans was shooting 27% or whatever it was he barfed up to start the season why do you assume he will now?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'd rather see AP replace bogans than brewer !! If not, only the bulls have to do to solve that problem is to trade bogans+2nd round pick for AP.
    Bogans + 2nd round pick = bogans + nothing !

  • I don't see the love or positives for Bogans. He's a great locker room guy? Some locker room guy. I still can't recover after seeing him being destroyed by the man he was marking, and instead of cursing himself for his pitiful effort, all he did was grin and resign himself to his fate. Some locker room guy!

  • I just don't think Parker is better than Bogans.

    Would having two versions of Keith Bogans help us? We'd just be bitching that Anthony Parker is taking more minutes from Brewer/Korver still.

    Having an extra guy to play a position where we have no minutes available (even if there's an injury to be honest), isn't of any real value. It just clogs up the rotation and leaves people pissed off.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Agreed, the Bulls are not looking to bring in another version of Bogans. If they are to make a trade, use the second round pick along with maybe a first round or two and maybe a player or two and make a big splash if they are to make a trade. Brewer needs to stick to driving to the basket and his defensive presence, everyone knows he's not a jump shooter. Bulls don't need to take minutes away from Brewer not unless he will be involved in a much bigger deal.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    AP averages 41 % 3pts shooting in his career whereas Bogans is 35%. Don't we need a SG to spread the floor. With this number which one is best to do that ? obviously it's AP.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    AP is 35 and his percentages have dropped. AP doesn't spread the floor, people don't sit there and play him tight because they're scared of AP beating them. He shoots at a high percentage because he gets a lot of open looks.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Of cours he spread the flour. He's been shooting 41% from 3pt during 10 years just because of open looks ? be serious . why ur bogans hasn't done as goog as bogans ?why are u giving bogans so much credits ?

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You're over rating how good a shooter Parker is based on his percentage. Parker is a guy who only shoots wide open threes. Truly great three point shooters shoot more often and take much harder shots than Parker. The year Korver only took shots at about the rate Parker does he shot nearly 54% from three.

    Bogans is actually shooting more often than Parker, the 4% difference in their percentages this year is probably mostly due to volume. It's worth noting during the period Bogans was terrible he was shooting about 50% more often.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    dont get me wrong. parker has shoot a total of 156 3pts his season while bogans has 126. 4% isnt a litlle diference.
    Per exemple, a player who shot 40% FG isn'T in a different level than a player shooting 44% ! 4% is big !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Food for thought for those who think a second round pick is nothing: a second round pick is how the Nuggets got Afflalo from Detroit. If you can find a young guy you like who isn't getting a lot of burn on another roster often teams will be happy for you to take them off their hands for a pick.

    Of course it's not a short term solution, it took a while for Afflalo to develop into a starter with the Nuggets, but it's more along the lines of the trade strategy I think the Bulls should be looking at. If they're only going to make minor moves that don't cost a lot of assets, it's better to do it with an eye to the future than for a couple of months of Parker.

    (Not naming any names as candidates because it's pretty hard to get an idea of how good the deep bench guys are from other teams since you don't see a lot of them)

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Shakes, I agree and think that is the path GarPax will take. I think Bulls will try to get a younger player on a modest contract or develop a young talent themselves.

    Courtney Lee may be the SG Bulls have their eye on. GarPax undoubtedly have a few other candidates as well that we

  • In reply to Edward:

    I think the Bulls might stand pat and look to upgrade in the off-season. For them to contend deep into the playoffs, they just need another player who is a stud or will grow into a stud. Forget Melo because he is not coming. But, they might be looking at somebody better than Affalo. They might even get a SF or PF if they can get one. When I say PF, it might be a stretch 4. How will they become available? I have no idea but that's what they would do if they want to win ECF/Finals...

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I wouldn't take Parker for free.
    He doesn't add enough. Especially, If the Bulls don't move one of our existing guards. More of the same. It would be subtraction by addition.

    Jersey66 said it up above. Kyle Korver is our best trading piece, but for him you better get something really good. A real solution. An OJ like Hollinger recommends. Or Afflalo like Shakes and others covet. That under 25 year old that can play now and grow with the team. A long term component.

    I just wish that the Melo domino would fall already, so we can get all the movement started. At this point, I'm beginning to think that the longer this goes on the more likely Anthony will resign with the Nuggets. But I've always felt that the Knicks need a Center and that Melo doesn't do enough for them.
    However that's another post for another day.

  • 1: Parker's life time averages don't mean jack, the guy is 35, so let's not bring up his career stats here and lifetime shooting percentages.

    2: Would I trade Parker for a 2nd rounder if he were on the team right now? If we also had Bogans, yes, I would probably consider doing that.

    We have no need for Parker and Bogans, so if we could get a 2nd rounder for one of them, why not accumulate some extra assets to grease the wheels of a more important trade.

  • The point of not giving up the second round pick is if Parker isn't going to help the Bulls then why give up anything at all? Parker is a down grade on Brewer and Korver so he actually makes the team worse by eating into their minutes. You don't seriously think Bogans is going to drop out of the rotation for the new guy do you?

    You can use that pick to draft some euro player and see what happens. 90% of the time it'll be nothing, but 10% of the time you get a nice role player a few years down the track.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    DO u know that deng has no real backup ? Having AP could allows Korver to give deng a rest !

  • But Parker doesn't provide any notable more offense than Bogans.

    If we were getting Courtney Lee or Aaron Afflalo or someone who could put the ball on the floor a bit as well as shoot, then fine.

    However, Parker is basically not doing any of that either.

  • There is always talent to be had, you just have to find it. Boston got Semih Erden with the very last pick of the draft in 2008 and he's played useful minutes for them this year.

  • It's not about the pick being good, it's about Parker being even less. Parker is not going to start over Bogans so he subtracts from the team because he eats the minutes of Brewer and Korver.

    I don't think the second round pick is likely to be anything, but there's at least a chance. Parker is no chance at all to add positive value to the team.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I think its also about future assets. Keep rolling them over into future picks, then when you want to make a deal package them with that Charlotte pick for example

  • If you need a three point shooter you bring in Korver because he's the better shooter. You don't go away from him because he missed a couple of shots.

    If Bogans gets hurt we rejoice because playing only Brewer/Korver/Watson at the 2 has been our dream all season. Parker is not better than any of those guys.

    Saying Parker can just sit on the end of the bench is all well and good, but how does he learn the system? You really want to bring in a guy at an important point in the game when he's not integrated with the team? If you bring Parker on board you have to give him minutes. I don't think he's worth giving minutes to, therefore I am against bringing him on board.

  • give me a better deal than lee for asik.

  • +10. There are so few secound round pick which has succeed in the nba !! AP for a secound roung pick it'S like AP for nothing.

  • would u trade a first draft pick and JJ for Asik ?? I think no !
    So if u think Lee worths draft pick and JJ then that means u consider Lee as better than Asik. So why don't u trade Asik for Lee if most of all u really need a SG !!
    Don't tell me bullshits about Asik size, Asik is a garbage time player. He would have hard-time getting in a rotation of any nba team. I told u 2 weeks before noah's injury Thibs stopped playing him. Lee could never be benched a whole game in chicago.

    Is Asik better than Hasheem Thabeet ? look how hasheem is used in memphis ! he barely plays

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Asik has more value than a first in the mid 20s and JJ. JJ is a scrub and you can buy a first in the mid 20s for 3 million bucks every year, teams don't value them highly.

    And yes, Thabeet is garbage, Asik is better than him. Pretty sad for the second pick in the draft but there you go, teams do stupid things all the time.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    dont be clueless as Mr happy says. When u talk about Asik dont forget that u're talking about a player who can't defend without fouling and can't score without dunking.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    There's always a market for 7 footers who are athletic and can rebound and block shots, even if they foul a bit and don't have a refined offensive game. If Asik is such garbage why do the Rockets want him, and why do all the columnists say that it would be a trade that the Rockets win?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    which columinist says that ? hollinger the dumbest the stats man or the dumbest guy in the world?? Au contraire, i read everywhere but here that bulls should pull on the trigger.

  • Bogans has been significantly better over the past 6 weeks though. Bogans went through a horrendous stretch early in the season, but in the past 6 weeks he's outplayed AP.

  • If you target a foreign player that you can stash for a couple years, giving you another future asset, I think it would be good to keep it.It should be a middle 2nd

  • it shouldn't be that late, Utah or Phoenix, whichever is better I believe, so it would be the 15th as of today via Phoenix. A couple guys in that range have panned out

  • you could be right, I'm torn on this one. You make a good point here

  • The one thing I would worry about would be chemistry. Who loses minutes? Does Bogans go away in the deal? Would Thibs sign off on that? Would Parker be the new starter? And how long would it take for the new lineup to gel? If he didn't start what would be his & Korver & Brewer's role? ok, I guess I have more than one question here

  • we don't have our own pick though

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'd love Lee, Afflalo, or Iggy in the offseason.

    I never realized Iggy avg'd so many assists! He has like 6 a game

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    It's a blessing and a curse, Iggy would be a secondary creator, but he's also a guy who has had problems playing without the ball. I'm kind of torn as to how well he'd fit at SG, if he fits in well he'd be great, but there's a bit of a downside risk too.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I could see that. My first reaction when noticing those assist numbers though was amazement at how well our starting lineup would be at passing & sharing the ball, with already Noah, Boozer, & Rose among the best passers at their position.

  • I remember Courtney Lee as a rookie starting in the 2008 NBA finals for Orlando. He was impressive - very athletic and seemed to have loads of upside potential.

    Then in the off-season Orlando somehow thinks Vince Carter is the key to winning the Finals (WTF were they thinking?!?) and Lee gets sentenced to New Jersey and falls off the radar.

    I think in the right situation Lee could fulfill that promise he showed as a rookie in the Finals. I think Bulls could develop him into a 15 ppg solid SG. We know he is athletic, can defend, and can shoot. The key will be if Bulls can instill in him an aggressive go-to type of scorer

  • In reply to Edward:

    Correction: That was the 2009 NBA Finals - LA vs. Orlando.

  • In reply to Edward:

    That said, Lee was playing yesterday against a Nuggets team whose head was in NY and don't play defense even when they are competing.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Courtney Lee may have been a starter but he played Bogans like minutes in the finals: 88 minutes across 5 games (and he became a starter after replacing Bogans). I can see why the Magic felt they needed an upgrade at SG. Counting on Vince Carter may not have been the right move, but looking for an upgrade was.

    My memory of Lee from the finals is him twice missing (once a layup then a lob play at the buzzer) the go ahead bucket that would have won them game 2 in regulation. I quite like the Magic and tend to follow them in the playoffs if the Bulls aren't playing, so I guess some of my not thinking Lee is very good comes from that disappointment.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Lee was just a rookie in 2008-9. Keeping and developing Lee would have been the better move for Orlando. They had to dump Carter after just 1.5 seasons.

    Given the choice between Lee and Carter, I think most teams today would take Lee.

  • Can't put it better, Mitch!
    All this nonsense Doug talks about disrupting team chemistry stuns me. I think Parker is a character guy and I think he'll bring a calming effect on the players around him. I think Reinsdorf and his coaching staff will love him.

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