Warriors overcome Bogans six points to beat the Bulls

That's right, the streak is over.  Keith Bogans did his part to guarantee victory.  He chipped in six points.   However, it wasn't enough, as the Warriors took advantage of an incredibly sloppy Derrick Rose to defeat the Bulls.    The turnovers let the Warriors stay in the game much of the night, because they converted so many Bulls turnovers into two points on a fast break outscoring the Bulls 31 to 15 on the fast break.

However, the Warrriors didn't win the game off of the turnovers.   The two teams were basically tied when the Bulls stopped turning it over.   They won the game because the Bulls couldn't hit the broad side of a barn on offense, and the Warriors ran after the long rebounds hitting basically every shot in the early offense in transition or coming out of transition.

Derrick Rose played as bad a game as he's played all year

It's been awhile since we've seen him throw a game around that was this bad.  He had 14/10 which wouldn't be mindbogglingly terrible if it weren't for the nine turnovers.   Granted, seven of them were in the first half, and the Bulls were up by one point when Derrick committed his final turnover, but the turnovers still helped key the victory, because without them, the Bulls would have been up by 15 points or so rather than one.

If that were the case, the Warriors big run would have brought them back in the game instead of giving them a big lead.   Ignoring the turnovers, Rose went 0-5 from behind the three point line which is as bad as we've seen him shoot from distance in a long, long time.   A couple of makes there would have also given the game a different complexion.

The Bulls simply couldn't get Boozer the ball enough

Boozer was a 10-17 on the night, but the Bulls really struggled to feed him the ball as Golden State's small lineup did a nice job pressuring the pass and stopping the Bulls from feeding it in there.  They also forced him into turnovers and offensive fouls of his own mitigating what otherwise would have been a solid shooting night.

Boozer's defense hurt the Bulls a lot tonight, because he wasn't quick enough to really help on Ellis/Curry when they came off screens, and the pair killed the Bulls all night long.

Luol Deng had a decent night, but the Bulls needed more

The Bulls went small with Deng at PF a bit, and it wasn't effective.  At SF, he failed to use his size advantage to any great purpose.  He shot the ball decently, connecting on 3 of 8 three point shots and 4/7 from inside the arc, but he had a matchup advantage that he didn't really take advantage of most of the night.

Keith Bogans did his part

He scored six, what more can you ask for from Keith Bogans?   He and Kurt Thomas were the only Bulls who had a positive +/- on the night.

Kurt Thomas played sparingly

I agree with the decision to play Thomas sparingly.  His type of defense probably wasn't going to help the Bulls too much, and I don't think he had the speed to get back in transition as much.    It's interesting though that he Bulls were + while he was on the floor and - by a ton when he wasn't.   Granted, a big part of it was that he was off the floor while the Bulls tried to match up with GS when they went small.

Could they have kept Kurt in the game and played big?  Use him to rough up the Warriors little guards, particularly around screens?   Get Stephon Curry involved in a few pick and rolls with Kurt Thomas setting the pick?   Perhaps, but I doubt it would have worked out better.

Taj Gibson played pretty well, I think the Bulls needed more of him

It's hard to say for sure, because the bench unit struggled so much, but I liked Gibson's energy for most of the game.  He rebounded pretty well, gave the Bulls some second chance points, scored 8 points on only four shots and one trip to the line inside 20 minutes.

Give he has the length and speed to help really defend the pick and roll and run up and down the floor with GS, this was a game I thought we could have used Gibson for 35 minutes or so.

Ronnie Brewer disappointed me in this one

You would have thought he could smother the midget guards of GS defensively or that he could get some easy opportunities due to his size and strength offensively, but neither event materialized.

Kyle Korver shot pretty well

Nice to see Korver continuing to stay out of his slump.    He scored 11 on the night on 4/9 shooting with three 3s made.   

C.J. Watson just killed us

The Warriors were up by one at the start of the fourth, and Watson took and missed three shots early in the quarter.   Beyond that his handling of the ball was poor, his running of the offense was poor, his defense was poor, and the Bulls were so disjointed that they went back to Rose after just two minutes of rest (though they replaced Brewer with Rose, so the pair played together for awhile and Watson got two of his missed shots in that stretch)..  

I've been a fan of C.J. recently, but like several Bulls, tonight was just not his night.

Final thoughts

I think most people will blame the turnovers, but the Bulls only had three in the final quarter and none of those led to fast breaks.   The turnovers were a huge factor in stopping the Bulls from building an insurmountable lead early, but they were basically in a tie game when they solved that problem.

The game was lost in the fourth primarily due to bad transition defense and an inability to get good shot opportunities when GS trapped.   The Bulls largely just seemed off their game, they never found the open man through the double team and swung the ball repeatedly to the wrong side of the court.

Kudos to the GS home crowd, they were electric, one of the louder crowds I've heard this year on TV, and they're doing it for a non-playoff team.


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  • Yea, can't blame Bogans for this one. Some times you need to lose to win. Maybe this can push management to go for a shooter (or scorer) before deadline. How about this Delfino guy? Only makes 3.5 mill.

  • 1. This one was probably the first or second worst loss of the season in that the team was losing because of bad play from almost everyone.
    2. Is the late starting time impacting them? That was a little too late for us to watch... The time was almost mid night(CST) when it ended. The body/mind is not completely in sync at that time. This is their last game starting so late.

  • Second year straight the Bulls have laid an egg in Golden State...

  • In reply to Houston:

    Bulls usually lay eggs in Oakland. Since MJ left, I believe the Bulls have only won this game twice

  • I know it's only one game...but if Brewer and Watson play like this, we are staring at a first round exit although I would be curious to see how Thibs and Rose will adjust to this trapping

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    You could say the same thing about Rose, but none of the three of them typically play that bad.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    On the plus side I am going to the Portland game and Rose & Company tend to bring it after a bad game so I am hopeful for a win.

    I only got to see the 4th quarter and it was not worth seeing. I have never seen them look so bad for so long both on offense and defense.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    The Bulls lost focus in this one, plain and simple. They got caught up in playing the Warriors type of game and that's what caused them to play one of their worst games of the year cause the first game against Orlando was the worst game this year. And yes give the Warriors all of the credit for the Bulls playing down to them cause they showed us Bulls cavs what's going to happen to the Bulls in the playoffs with the constant double and triple teaming of Rose. Teams are going to take their chances of letting Boozer and the other guys to beat them and if Boozer has a player playing tight D on him as well, playoff games are not going to be a pleasant outcome. And this whole Bogans scoring 6 points and the Bulls win non sense is a perfect example of some fans being content with this guys still poor play on offense and defense. I will always continue to say that focus is the key to this teams success and that this team still has some glaring holes that were exposed last night and that will need to be addressed if they plan on having any post season success. Again... the Bulls despite this loss is still one of the best means in the league but if they don't address their needs this year, I'm afraid this season will come to a disappointing end cause if a team like Golden State knows how to slow theBulls down and get them frustrated by getting them to away from their type of game, I will hate to see what will happen when one of the better means in the east play them in the playoffs. And yes games like this does happen and G S was at home but the Bulls did have a fairly descent lead in the second half but as I said earlier, they got caught up in the Warriors pace and lost their focus, Thibs, save has always done this season need to hold the team accountable for this loss and hopefully Mon. against the Blazes they will play their game and stick to playing defense cause some of the defensive breakdowns that the Bulls had was absolutely terrible. Bottom line this game was winable and G S exposed the Bulls weaknesses,and yes for those of you that think the Bulls don't have weaknesses are fooling yourselves like Bogans scoring 6 points means a Bulls win... cone on guys don't be so gullable into thinking that will help the Bulls for the rest of the season into the playoffs. Either address the problem now by changing the starting line up or by trade, one way or another... the problem will have to be fixed and the teams focus cannot go astray like it did.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Again, please excuse mobile phone typing errors.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    This game disturbs me. It gets me that this is going to be the blueprint for stopping Rose and the Bulls. What was wierd was all the Bulls had to do was slow the game down and use their size. But what it shows is that if you can get the ball out of Rose's hands and don't allow him to get it back so easy, you can eat them because they don't have a secondary ball handler who get to the hopp on their own. ie, a 2 guard or a three that can create in the seams in a junk zone.

    I thought that Deng and Brewer had every opportunity to shine in this game this way. But they didn't make good decsions with the ball and were way too tentative to attack the basket when Rose was doubled at the top.

    Boozer by the way better stop looking at his man cross half court before he does. There were way too many run outs where he's in the back court looking at his man racing to the cup. He has bad defensive habits that will get you killed in the playoffs. He needs to correct his defensive effort. The problem with this is that it seems he's used to having someone clean up his bad defense.

    I hope he doesn't look at getting JoNo back as an excuse not to play out on D. He's not giving great effort on getting back before his man. If I were playing with him, I'd be pissed. Because with teams that can run out, Miami, Boston, ATL will exploit this until you stop it. Way too much of this last night from Boozer

  • In reply to AlgernonHPenn:

    I disagree that this is the blueprint for stopping Rose, most teams that have tried it have failed miserably, even if Rose shoots poorly he draws so much attention the Bulls have rebounded his misses and scored.

    It only works if you can get Rose to turn the ball over 9 times instead of getting shots up, which is probably not going to happen very often.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Do you seriously believe that fans actually believe Bogans scoring 6 pts and Bulls winning is related....They are just having fun making so correlation.
    But, I agree this Bulls team has a chance to lose focus if teams go at them like GS did yesterday. This is still learning for Rose and we need to wait to see if he is ready for prime time yet.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Yes I do believe that some fans actually thought that Bogans scoring 6 points would be able to get the Bulls over and according to Rose and a lot of other critics, Rose is already prime time with this MVP talk. Him and the team if they don't already know how to stay focused, need to get it down by the time the playoffs start.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Ok u don't want Melo, but at least when time to trade for a SG will come, please GarPax get rid of Brewer and Bogans ! Can't stand them.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I think that's a slight overreaction. Typically in a loss, fans want to get rid of their least favorite players immediately. If Bogans were eventually traded, I wouldn't mind so much, since they could probably find someone who to fill that role. I think Brewer, however, still has value and would be a solid backup.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    i know it's just one game but I bet u that wil happens many time in playoffs. Rose is for sure one the most unstoppable player of the league but he'll have this kind of game in playoffs. In this case boozer and deng must step up even brewer. But Brewer is a bad. Deng irregular. We arent a contender yet !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I think we both agree that they're missing a piece. I don't agree, however, with the assessment that Brewer is bad. He had a bad game, but he's made some very positive contributions and I'm willing to see how he plays the rest of the season. My prediction would be that he's more of a solid contributor than a liability.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    The Bulls didnt lose focus as much as they were just plain rattled by GS frenetic play. Simply put they freaked out and lost their composure, not their focus.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    IF nothing else, this game at least magnified Rose's flaws, which believe it or not he actually has.

    He is just not an elite ballhandlerat this time(I am not sure that he will actually ever become one), He is too casual or non chalant in his ball management. He has also developed a bad habit of jumping in the air without any idea of what he is going to do next. His athleticism lets him get away with this about 50% of the time, but that is simply not good enough.

    If you are going to start calling him an MVP, then he has to live up to a much higher standard, dare I say the Jordan standard. I would be interested in knowing if Jordan ever had 7 turnovers in one half, or 9 for a game.

    Rose still has a ways to go in the maturation process of his game. This is not a knock on him, he is still only 22, but it is a reality check on all the frothy talk in Chicago.

    Just like the Bulls as a team, Rose is still a year or 3 from being of championship timbre.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Jordan twice had 9 turnovers in a game, but they both came when he was on the Wizards. I don't know if that's better (because he was a shell of himself by then) or worse (because he was handling the ball less than for the Bulls).

    I find it funny that the criticism on Rose is now that he doesn't know what he's going to do when he jumps, early in his career the criticism was he made his mind up too early in the play whether he was going to shoot or pass. I think they're probably both valid criticisms, but it is interesting to see him working it out and refining his game (probably too far in that he's leaving his decision too late now).

    I do agree Rose is still a work in progress and he hopefully continues to get better, and that it probably does need to happen for the Bulls to make the jump to a championship, more so than any trade or team shake up.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bulls lost their 2nd game in their last 11. Sky is falling for sure. Oh and who was the one who wanted to trade Noah last week? They should definitely do that as he wouldnt have helped Sat night at all :-)

  • In reply to Reese1:

    On the surface, this was pretty much the Bulls 2nd worst game of the year. But in the big picture? This is a good game. Derrick will definately see this type of defense in the post season, and it is best for the team to see it now, to learn from it, and practice beating it, in practice & whenever they see it over the next 33 games. Also, credit Golden State, but the Bulls were really not themselves. Several of rose's 9 turnovers were unforced. Remember the blown 3 on 1 fast break? The blown clear path dunk by Brewer? The air balls? Last second shot clock shots? You have these games and it can be good to have them. It is good to see this type of defensive plan against Rose right now especially.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I agree that in the big picture this game could be a motivator. You can't expect them to win every game, but the key is to learn from it and move on.

    I still think they could go 4-1 this road trip but it'll much more difficult. 3-2 is probably more realistic at this point, but if they can regroup and clean up the sloppy play, they still might win the last 3.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    +10. That game is a kind of ''which doesn't kill u make u stronger''.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    One thing which Rose is probably still learning is when to get rid of the ball. I know he is the PG but sometimes he doesn't want to give up the ball until his teammate is completely open. This either tells he doesn't trust them(which I don't blame him for) or he is trying to do too much. I think Noah will help but the type of panic/cluelessness Rose showed yesterday will suck the basketball life out of people like Deng, Brewer.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    In this loss the Bulls weakness was on full display like in the NY and Charlotte games. Bulls have trouble defending athletic, shot-creating wings and on offense the Bulls themselves lack shot-creators. See the FT disparity, Bulls outscored 19-6 is a direct result of getting beat on defense by athletic wings.

    Golden State took the ball out of Rose

  • In reply to Edward:

    the FT disparity was also because GS was getting the calls & Bulls weren't

  • In reply to Edward:

    You summarized the game pretty much how I saw it. The Bulls aren't perfect and this game magnified their flaws, mainly due to their own poor play.

    Rose wasn't his usual self, and I haven't seen him have this bad of a game in quite some time. He made poor decisions, couldn't come up with plays down the stretch, and looked uncharacteristically frustrated. Watson and Brewer didn't help much, and it was as if Watson was trying to prove something to his old team, but he didn't play team ball and took bad shots, which missed badly. Very disappointed in those 3 guards' play.

    I agree with them eventually needing that SG to make Deng the 4th option, where he'll be more comfortable. If that will be this year, I have doubts. I currently think the Bulls can be EC finals contenders, but to feel comfortable enough for them to go all the way, they'll need that missing piece.

    In addition, I've become accustomed to the Bulls making plays down the stretch to win games. Nothing, though, seemed to go right in this one. Poor defense, poor decisions, poor shot selection, poor mental toughness. Pretty much it all went south.

    It starts and ends with Rose, and the team typically goes how he goes. I don't, however, foresee this as a trend for him, or for the team as a whole. We'll see how they come out against Portland. I expect them to be pissed and eager to show this was an aberration.

  • In reply to Edward:

    GS got a lot of their free throws in transition where the Bulls weren't back and had no choice but to foul to prevent the layup. I don't think the disparity reflects GS being a good team at creating in the half court, they're probably worse than the Bulls offensively if you take away their running game.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    That's what told u when we're were talking about Melo. If GS can do that to Rose, imagine what Miami and Boston could do to him. Rose need guys to step up when he is trapped like that. I still thinking Boozer and Deng isn't enough to help rose beat Boston or Heat.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Melo will not definitely help when they trap Rose. He doesn't bring up the ball or set a pick for Rose to get free. Actually, Noah would be able to do that much better than anyone in this case. It was a weird combination of trapping defense and Rose really not into it yesterday.
    Also, I think the time impacts their energy...look at Clippers today. They are playing so early in Miami..that's a disaster waiting to happen.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    bulls played yesterday at the same hour they played against clippers. And they destroyed clippers. I dont think it has somthing to do with time. I agree Noah often get out from the paint to help rose when he is double-teamed. But is it enough ?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I've said ever since the 76ers and Charlotte road losses that the double teaming of Derrick extended to the three point line was not handled well at all by Thibs and his staff. Wade, Miller etc. they've seen this pulled out especially in the playoffs, and the answer is... you hand the ball to the big/pick, and run through the double(sometimes grabbing the defenders jersey/push off) towards the basket. Then you get the ball back in lethal open space. Also bigs running to a spot for defenders to get wiped off screens(which the Bulls don't do much if at all). Kurt Thomas is the only Bulls big who even knows how to get away with moving screens at the top of the key.

    It really is a lack of personnel also obviously/a SG/slashing wing to take advantage of a double so far away from the basket. But Derrick has to give up the ball, and get to the basket for the return pass one way or another. You simply can't allow extended doubles by players who are not even good defenders in Ellis and Curry and the G.S. bigs to stop your scoring star. Blaming the supporting cast for sure. But Wade etc. will still get theirs in most of these situations as opposed to getting shut down. And Derrick as good/great as he is has to accept some of the blame/responsibility. Is an MVP going to be stopped for a whole game by an extended double? Some of this Derrick is going to have to overcome/figure out as well. There are times where Derrick gets intimidated, but while he still had hurdles to overcome for the most part he's a brave/lay it all on the line player. He just still has some challenges to overcome as all superstars on their path to greatness do.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    ellis is a poor defender ?? i think u must see more nba game other than chicago's

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Off course, Ellis and Curry are bad defenders. Ellis is more of a steal first defender. Rose was bad yesterday and so it is not a good measure of Ellis's defensive capabilities. But, in general Rose will take Ellis to school when he is on offense. Ellis is a great offensive player though....

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Ellis is one most underrated player in the league if not the most. This guy is a complete player. He deserved to be allstar. He's a hell of defender. For u being the 3rd best stealer in the nba is not good enough to be considered as a good defender ? Rondo 1st, Paul 2nd in steal. are those players bad defender ??

  • In reply to deewaves:

    i don't say that rose played bad beccause of him(because Rose is unstopable when he wants).Nevertheless Ellis is everything but not a bad defender.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I'll agree that Ellis and Curry both cop too much flak for being bad defenders. They clearly play the "system" that Golden State have, which is to try to force turnovers. They certainly don't have the front court to play a normal defensive strategy of bigs that challenge shots and box out and rebound.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    This was a game that Noah would have made a huge difference, offensively as well as defensively.

    He is our best pick and roll defender, which might have negated Ellis and Curry somewhat. He also would have run the floor and scored some easy baskets in transition.

    This would have been a Noah type of game.

    But basically, we all sucked, it happens from time to time, although with so many days off between games, we should have played a lot better.

  • Lets not give Rose the Gary Payton glove award just yet.

    He has gone from Ben Gordon bad, to at best average, dont get carried away.

    Speaking of Gordon, Can we still trade him for Ellis like I wanted to a few years back when Ellis was in disfavor with GS after his offseason injury.

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