Trade deadline thoughts, a day after

Yesterday, I discussed my mixed emotions on the Bulls lack of a move.   The right move may not have been on the table, but the predeadline comments by beat reporters about the new CBA and saving money still bring back scary thoughts for a team I hope will finally be willing to pay the luxury tax rather than finance the Chicago White Sox. 

However, the Bulls weren't necessarily losers at the deadline.   The Johnson trade still helped them tremendously in terms of flexibility at draft time.   The Bulls will be almost three million under the cap and have a couple 1st round picks which should allow them to make a quality move at that time.

As I noted, this was one of many opportunities for them to improve, not the only opportunity.   However, beyond the Bulls, this was one of the most hectic trade deadlines of recent memory.   Here's who came out on top in this reshaping of the league.

The Winners

Oklahoma City Thunder

They've needed interior defense and strength for the past couple of years and got one of the most underrated centers in the NBA (more on the Celtics side of this deal in the complete dumbass section of the article, it's below losers).   Perkins gives them the strength to match up with LA inside the paint and the help defense to help turn them into a better defensive team.

I'm not sure why some analysts feel like they'll miss Jeff Green's offense, because, this just in, and by just in, I mean it's been obvious since he entered the league, Jeff Green isn't a very good basketball player.    We're talking about a dude with a 12.8 PER this season which matches his career numbers.  

The Thunder are one of the elite offenses of the league.   They have Westbrook and Durant to create, everyone else is just there to make basket cuts or hit open shots.   Jeff Green didn't do anything for them that a random filler role player can't do instead. 

Now they have the defensive anchor they need to really make a deep run in the playoffs.    The only caveat I have to this trade is if the Celtics know Perkins knees are shot, but if that's the case the Thunder will fail him on the physical (like they did Tyson Chandler) and rescind the trade.

The Thunder are raised up into the legit contender status with this move.

New York Knicks, Denver Nuggets, and Carmelo Anthony

Seriously, the more I think about this deal, the more I think everyone wins.  Anthony obviously got to go to the Knicks and his money which is what he wanted.   Denver pulled off a deal to get them more assets than they could have reasonably expected with the trade, and while the Knicks gave up a bunch of role players, they added a second superstar to their team while really only giving up role players.

Everyone comes out ahead in this deal.  Yeah, the Knicks might have had a better team if they waited until the summer and signed Anthony outright, but then again, he may not have been available if he was desperate to get his money which he seemed to be.   

The New Jersey Nets

So you figure the Nets are going to be the big loser in the Melo deal, but then they go out and trade for Deron Williams for less than they were willing to give up for Anthony.   I like Williams more than Anthony by a considerable margin, so this makes for a great move for them.

The need to convince Williams to stay with the team in a year and a half, but I expect a franchise tag and a new ability to make terms far more favorable for the current team to resign players in the future.  

They'll need another big move in their pockets to make this work out long term, but for a team that was one of the worst and most depressing in the NBA, this was a phenomenal move. 

The Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls

The East looks like it's going to come down to Boston, Miami, or Chicago, and Boston just shot itself in the foot, more on that in the complete dumbass section.   Most of the national media were picking Boston to come out of the East and possibly win the whole thing. 

I've felt Boston was overrated and that the Bulls would take them in a seven game series, well I feel even better about that now.   The Miami Heat also have to be happy about the Celtics trading away one of the guys who could consistently beast them inside and layout LeBron and Wade with hard fouls when they drive.

Charlotte also gave up Gerald Wallace for nothing at the deadline which should end any minimal hopes of them making the playoffs next season.   As such, the Chicago Bulls draft choice from the Bobcats looks to go deeper into the protection scheme and increase in value.

Trailblazer fans

I don't know if Gerald Wallace will really make a difference, but your front office once again reaffirmed it doesn't give a crap about how much money it can make if it can improve the team.

The Blazers gave up a heap of crap for Gerald Wallace, who, historically, can't stay healthy but is a all-star caliber player when he is.  The Blazers have a reputation for bad luck with injuries, but they always take on guys with massive injury problems and wonder why they were hurt.

Greg Oden was said to have the knees of a 60 year old prior to being drafted, the Bulls passed on Brandon Roy because of his knees, LaMarcus Aldridge had two major injuries prior to entering the NBA, and people wonder why two of the there got hurt.

Well they did it again with Wallace, but since they gave up nothing to do it, the worst case scenario is that they're stuck where they were anyway.   The best case is that they get a great player to add to their team.

Either way, it has to feel good to be a Blazer fan and know that your front office will never flinch at paying the money to win.   That attitude will always give them a chance at being competitive.

Kirk Hinrich

He finally gets to go to a team where he can start at PG rather than play mentor to a young phenom PG.   He also moves from one of the worst teams in the NBA to one with at least a punchers chance at the second round in the playoffs.  

Washington Wizards

The Wizards received the 17th pick in the draft for taking on Hinrich's salary for half a season then traded him for salary relief, a 2011 first rounder, and Jordan Crawford (a 1st rounder in 2010).    Nice flipping of assets there as timing is everything.

Does the move help Washington on the court?   No, but they had no need for Hinrich anyway, and they do need young assets to build around John Wall.   This was the right move for them.

Los Angelas Clippers

The Clippers bring in Mo Williams and send out Baron Davis.  I think Williams is about 10x the player Davis is, and unlike Davis, when he shoots the three it has a good chance of going in.  

I think this move makes the Clippers awfully dangerous going into next season.  If Blake Griffin has the work ethic to improve, then their backcourt now has plenty of shooting and creation with Williams/Gordon. 

They could be on the verge of relevance.

Coming out neutral

The Charlotte Bobcats

The Bobcats dumped Gerald Wallace's contract and will obviously take a hit on the court because of it.   However, they had virtually no hope of building anything with the pieces they have there, because of Jordan's previous bungling.  They made a move which signals a clear rebuild.  

It's unfortunate for them that they couldn't find a taker for Stephen Jackson for some more picks as well to help spur the process along.   They did lose talent, but Wallace would be done before they'd have anything going on, and now they'll enter the realm of the worst teams in the league and hope to change their luck with a franchise player.

The Bulls will hope they're unsuccessful for the next five years and that the franchise player ends up in Chicago. It's kind of a crappy plan, but it's really the only move they had left.   They probably would have been better off doing this earlier rather than extending Jackson.

The Atlanta Hawks

Yeah, they get Kirk Hinrich to help 'bolster' their guard lineup, but this trade smells pretty desperate and not like any true upgrade.  Is Hinrich really considerably better than Mike Bibby for them?   Maybe, but I'm not hopeful.   They also gave up a guy they got in the first round in 2010 and their first rounder next year.  

Steep price to pay when I still think the Hawks are out in round one of the playoffs, but they did try to upgrade their team, so I'll give them some credit.

The Losers

The Utah Jazz

With a franchise tag possibly coming in the new CBA and a year to make improvements, the Jazz could have possibly figured out a way to have kept Deron Williams.  Especially if Jerry Sloan was a big issue with him.   Now they trade him off for a couple 1st rounders in a weak draft and Devin Harris.

The trade haul might ultimately be worth more than they'd have received later, but it's still not worth losing your superstar for a year and a half.     Utah now enters the Cleveland zone.  It's a destination that free agents will hate to go to if they have any other choice, and their only hope is to find a superstar in the draft.

The Indiana Pacers and Memphis Grizzlies

What a cluster-f that was.   The Pacers end up not pulling off a trade that would have upgraded them considerably, the Grizzlies end up having to tell Mayo they really like him but just have too many guards.

To some extend the Bulls are losers here as well as Mayo was obviously available, and rumor has it the Bulls could have had him for two firsts and Taj Gibson.  It would have been a tough call, and I'm okay with them passing on that as I think big man depth is so important for the playoffs.

If they'd have gone for 2 1sts (or even 3) and Asik, I would have been all in though.

If the Bulls are interested in Mayo, look for talks between the Grizzlies and Chicago to heat up again on draft day when the Bulls can still absorb most of his contract and send a player and picks to Memphis.

The complete and total dumbasses 

The Boston Celtics

I hedge this only by saying that they might know more about Perkins' knees than we do, but if so, they trade likely is rescinded anyway.

Seriously, how on Earth do you make this trade while you are one of the two or three teams favored to win a title?   The Celtics gave away one of the pieces they'll seriously need in the playoffs for a guy that won't fit at all and they didn't need plus a 2012 draft choice from the Clippers.

Now betting on the Clippers to suck seems like a fairly safe proposition in most years, but Blake Griffin looks like a superstud, and as noted above, I think the Mo Williams trade gives them a pretty interesting cast around him next season.

Either way, this was a team that someone would argue was the championship favorite, and they just traded their defensive anchor.  The whole team is extraordinarily pissed off about the move, and their once great chemistry may go south a bit with this type of trade.

Either way, when you can possibly win a title, you go all in, you don't hedge your bets on helping yourself rebuild in 2012.   This would be like if the Bulls traded Toni Kukoc in the middle of the 97-98 season for a 2000 1st rounder.    Danny Ainge better hire some security for his family after this move.



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  • MY 3 Winners and 3 Losers:
    OKC Thunder - If Perkins is healthy for the playoffs, they have positioned themselves as the 3rd best team in the West and I could even see them taking down the Lakers or Spurs. Their glaring weakness was in the middle and Perkins provides not only a defensive presence but a legit Center for years to come. Huge pickup.

    NY Knicks - They gutted their team to get Carmelo but this league is about getting superstars first and then surrounding them with role players later. Everybody will talk about 'Melo and 'Mare, but this team will only go as far as Billups (or their next PG)will take them.

    Atlanta Hawks - I think they had the most underrated move of the trading deadline. Picking up Hinrich who is an excellent ball distributor and a defensive presence at the Guard position was a huge win.

    3 Losers:
    Houston Rockets: I dont know what exactly they are doing. Giving up Brooks and Battier and getting only Thabeet, Dragic and extra pieces? Battier would have been perfect to pawn off to a contender. Regardless, Thabeet is an average Center and Dragic is a backup PG at best. Yet-- the Rockets were BENT about getting Asik from the Bulls and would not budge on giving up Lee (a bench player for them) for anything less. Head-scratcher.

    Memphis Grizzlies: People call the Cavs disgracefully bad but they just got screwed. The Grizzlies are actually stupid. The Grizz pick up Battier who does them no good for now or for the future. They had a deal in place and got cold feet but faxed in the trade after the deadline. Owner Heisley even made an announcement about the trade and explained how trading Mayo was a tough decision--only for it to not matter half hour later. This organization is a MESS! Rumor has it the Bulls offered Brewer, 2 first round picks and a 2nd round pick for Mayo and the Grizz turned it down but they were willing to accept McRoberts and a 1st rounder? Hmm...

    Boston Celtics: Took a huge gamble with minimal payoff. Trading Perkins itself is a huge gamble, but the bigger gamble is trusting Shaq to hold down the fort at Center. The reward for the gamble is even worse considering Green doesn't seem to fit. C's needed a SF but Green is young and should be starting somewhere. In Boston, he's a max 20-25min player. Where's the playing time?

    As for all the other teams, they were somewhere between good and bad. Nets got Deron Williams but there's no guarantee he'll stay and they traded away all their assets to get him. The Blazer's obsession with Gerald Wallace was confusing. Fits into a team that gets hurt a lot though.

    The Bulls tried. They tried with Houston for Lee. They tried with Suns for Dudley. They tried with Grizz for Mayo. I do think the Bulls are one SG shy of being a complete team but for now, Bogans will do. Will be interesting to see who gets bought out because the Bulls have the cash to sign up long-term.

  • Hmm, I agree strongly with some and disagree equally strongly with some.

    I agree Boston's move is a big WTF, because Green pretty much sucks. If you're in a good position you want to be a clear winner to make a move and I don't see how they think they won this trade.

    On the other hand I don't think this is an easy win for the Thunder either. Defensively it seems great to be able to play a lot of Ibaka and Perkins but aren't they playing 2 on 5 on offense now? I think I'd give it a wait and see.

    Glad for Kirk that he gets a chance to start for a playoff team again, seems a good fit for him there since he wont be asked to play SG. Good trade for all involved.

    I think Utah got an awesome return on Williams if they were set on trading him. They're at least a decent chance to win that trade long term and when you trade away your superstar that's all you hope for.

    The Nets aren't clear winners until they resign Williams. They got the name they needed, so they win there, but if they lose him in the year they move to Brooklyn that is going to suck. I'd say they're in the neutral column right now.

    The Knicks are the biggest losers of the trade deadline IMO, they've blown whatever chance they had of a championship short of delusions of a Paul/Williams/Howard miracle being conjured out of no cap space and no assets. The Melo trade was horrible for them, they've given up all flexibility without really improving their team.

    Worth mentioning the Clippers also freed up 2012 cap space ... if the Howard to LA whispers have any legs, why not the Clippers ahead of the Lakers?

    Not really sure how you can knock the Bobcats for taking too long to start a rebuild yet praise the Blazers for doing the same thing. I don't see how spending money in a foolish manner is good for the fans.

    I also can't believe you would rather trade Asik than Gibson, but whatever, I suspect that horse has been beaten to death in that 400+ post thread.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I agree with shakes on the thunder move. Perkins isn't a post up option. he's really not an offensive option at all. Ibaka is a slightly better offensive player, but he's really not an offensive option either. Teams no longer have to guard 5 players.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Perkins is as good an offensive option as Green and offers greater diversity over what they presently have IMO. He's not a dominant scorer, but neither was Green. At least he gives them some low post offense.

    I don't think the Blazers spending money is foolish for them. If they're willing to spend it,t hey got a guy who's an all-star when healthy for basically scraps. Yeah, it might be a poor financial decision, but the blazers have proven that they'll just spend more money rather than let that stop them which is great for the fans.

    I like Noah a lot more than Boozer which is why I want Gibson there more than Asik, but I like them both.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Believe it or not I agree with most of your analysis, but totally disagree on Taj v Asik.

    I trade Taj before I trade Asik without much angst.

    Taj is a nice player, especially since Boozer sucks on D. However, he has basically no abitlity to score other than dunks, and even those are becoming iffy.

    While Asik has no offense now, Taj is an undersized 4 who is as good as he is going to be and even seems to have regressed some on offense. Asik is an oversized 5 with upside. Asik already impacts the game in a more meaningfull way than Taj(assuming Del Thibideau takes his stubborn mule head out of his stubborn mule ass).

    I love them both off the bench, but I've seen the best of Taj and it is only O.K. I can see the future of Asik, it looks to be more than O.K.

    I would trade Taj for Mayo, but not in addition to multiple firsts. I simply wound not trade Asik for Mayo, which apparently was never on the table anyway, Memphis is very happy with Gasol.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    My concern with the Thunder is that they gave up two bigs who could at least shoot in Green and Krystic for two who can't. It just seems like pack the paint time and bet against Durant and Westbrook shooting from outside.

    Portland got a former all-star to what end though? They're going anywhere even with Wallace unless there's some miracle cure for Roy and Oden. If I was a Portland fan I'd have wanted them to start the rebuild not try to hang on as a mid level first round exit team for a couple more years. I don't consider willingness to spend money a good measure of how good a team is to its fans.

    As far as Asik vs Gibson, Noah and Deng can both play some PF in a backup capacity. Who can play center behind Noah other than Asik when Thomas is gone next year? The point of trading one of them was to get a SG to balance out the roster, trading Asik creates a hole at center, trading Taj doesn't create a hole because his minutes can be filled by players we already have.

    The only possible reason I can see to put Taj off limits would be if we're planning on trading Boozer for a SG.

  • Apparently, MEM turned down an offer of Brewer and 3 picks (2 first rounders, 1 second rounder)for Mayo:

  • In reply to brad73:

    Sam Smith's column today had a source saying that Griz owner Heisley simply didn't want to deal with the Bulls. He's actually from Chicago and is said to have ambivalent feelings about the Bulls. It wouldn't surprise me because Heisley is a tool anyway. His whole stance on signing his draft picks made him look ridiculous, now there's a possibility that he let personal feelings get in the way of improving his team?

  • In reply to walrus:

    If nothing else, this demonstrates that GarPax aren't the incompetent dopes that many posters often make them out to be -- especially in the wake of this "non-move". It does, however, insert Michael Heisley into any conversation on the topic of batsh*t crazy.

  • In reply to brad73:

    I think the package they offered makes them look like incompetent dopes, thankfully the Griz saved them from themselves by turning it down.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    As weird as this sounds, that trade proposal may have been to test mayo's true availability to them. GarPax probably kept raising their offer to no avail, and said screw it, will Heisley actually take anything? and threw out a more than favorable offer, and once that got turned down, there was no reason to continue as its obvious that they can't get him for any competitive deal.

  • In reply to walrus:


    OKC - Green's just a guy. Thibs called Perkins the best post defender in the league. OKC has offense, albeit from 2 guys mainly. It's been their defense that's been holding them back. They'll need James Harden to step up and be a third offensive guy off the bench, though it's not like they're losing an offensive juggernaut in Green. I don't like picking up Robinson for them though. He's a guy who likes the ball and loves to shoot. I wouldn't want him taking shots away from Durant.

    Denver -- Let's face it. If this was a poker game, their hand was a 2 and a 7 and yet they didn't fold. In fact, they bluffed NY until the end and got 3 starters, 4 if you count Mozgov. Moreover, it's much easier to recover from a volume scorer like Melo who doesn't do a whole lot more than put up shots, than it is losing someone like James, who's efficient and contributes all over the court. Those shots will get spread around and they can at least partially replace his scoring with more team play and the new additions. And here is what Karl said about Melo on defense:
    "his defensive focus, his demand of himself, is what frustrated us more than anything." Despite Denver's solid offense, Karl prefers good defensive teams. With a diva-less team, Denver can now turn their attention to team play and defense. So far it's worked. They've won both games without Melo, including the Celtics last night.

    NJ -- They've established themselves now as a player, even if they lose D-Will -- which I think they won't. Prokhorov is a shrewd owner and I think they'll add a piece or two this offseason to make the Nets competitive and then go for a big fish by the time they land in Brooklyn. They also helped force the Knicks give up much more than they wanted to give up by posing themselves as a legitimate threat in the Melo deal.

    Clippers -- just got rid of an untradeable contract. They know this isn't their year, but they are setting themselves up nicely for the future -- and Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon are making the Clips an attractive place to play for a change.


    Boston. You don't make a major change when you're on top of the league. Maybe Perkins knees were bad, maybe they knew he was going to leave -- but if you could get another good 3-4 months from him, he could have helped them win a title. Getting a guy like Green is marginal. He's depth, but he won't make the Celtics better in my opinion. The only explanation is freeing up money to sign a possible buyout -- even then, is it worth the gamble? Supposedly, Miami was privately estatic about this trade. That should tell you something about how much respect Perkins has around the league.

    The Complete and Total Dumbasses:

    The Chicken Little fans on this board who cry doom anytime the Bulls lose, undervalue our own players and demand they be traded for other teams overvalued players. A full day of hand wringing,d fist pounding, and wild-eyed rantings about the Bulls could not have done much for their overall health. Is OJ Mayo really worth all this angst?

  • In reply to walrus:

    Yes Mayo was worth it...Boston got worse and the Heat are vulnerable. This was our year, if we wouldve gotten Mayo we probably go to the Finals. We can't do anything with Bogans as our starting 2. Bulls blew it...

  • In reply to calle3:

    hey, you're not supposed to be a fan anymore remember?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    He's a Miami Heat fan now. I bet he's really upset about the loss last night.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I guess he changed his colors to red until next week when the Bulls play the Heat(I am guessing that's a loss probably)

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    he doesn't care about actual wins & loses though remember? Just about making trades

  • In reply to walrus:

    1. I kind of disagree on Boston's plan. Perkins and Rondo were both useless on offense during crunch time for Boston. Garnett is also not a great low post scorer and is injury prone. They are basically replacing Perkins with Shaq/Jermaine O'Neal now.
    Jeff Green can help out against Miami and they have to match-up well with with Miami which Green allows them to do and still Shaq/J O'Neal/Kristic give an adv over Miami. I think Perkins helped them with his intensity and knowledge but was a risk with his ACL issues. We have seen that most players with ACL tears take more than a year to get back to normal production. So, they wouldn't have had the real Perkins anyhow until next Dec/Jan.
    2. I also like what Denver did. JR Smith or Lawson might be the guys who can take the last few shots and might not be so worried about Melo dominating the ball. If they get a stud PF in the draft who can rebound, then they are on the way with the Western Conference becoming weak.
    3. I agree about the Chicken Little Fans on this board. They make conclusions based on a few plays. They want a perfect team for 82 games/whole playoffs/pre-season/practice without injuries/bad games/missed shots.
    They want Deng to shoot 80%, make 20 FTs and not worry about playing the team game. I guess some of them are very young but young guys know better nowadays or maybe not.

  • In reply to walrus:

    VERY happy about the Boston trade. I liked our chances against Boston in a playoff series before, but this definitely helps. The O'neils are way too old to be a dominant force for a full game anyway.

    The Heat still worry me a bit, as Bosh looked like Dalibor Bagaric last night, but again, Noah looked a bit lost on the offense as well.

    But, after last night's game, I feel more confident in our playoff chances and making a deep run.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    Apparently, the Heat could barely restrain their joy when they heard the news that Perkins was traded away. But then again, the Celtics seem to know what they're doing most of the time, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt....for now.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Look, the Celtics are convinced that they cannot sign Perkins without massively overpaying him for what he is.

    OKC felt that they could not pay Green, so 2 teams swapped guys they thought they coudn't pay.

    Will either team be willing able to sign the guy they traded for, who knows.

    Boston gave up some of their shot to win this year, unless both Oneals are healthy in the playoffs(not likely) But they must have had really good reason, given all the tears in Boston.

    The Celtics, despite all their defense struggle to score, I guess they think that Green gives them more front court scoring.

    For OKC the deal is a massive win, if they can and will pay Perkins and he is healthy.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Mcroberts leaning to Boston and Powe most likely returning to Boston that could have been part of the plan for boston

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    oops meant Murphy

  • In reply to walrus:

    Bulls and Sox have different owners. The profits from one can't be spent on the other. Reinsdorf is the managing general partner of both, but not an exclusive owner of either team. Actually he might not even own the majority of either. I don't think it's fair to say that the Sox are spending the Bulls $.

    After watching Denver last night, I think they may be a better team now. I would say that they have a better chance of pulling off a 1st round playoff upset than the Knicks. Karl told the team to play "crazy fast" and they have plenty of shooters. Their defense looks improved. They have a team of athletes.Note: Afflalo is continuing to improve. I believe that he'd help the Bulls far more than OJ.

    Keeping and playing Asik may be Bulls most important move. As Shakes said it last night, if Thibs had played him against the Raptors the Bulls probably win.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Did you see that quote where Karl ripped Melo's defense as unfocused and that he demanded little of himself on that end. Saw a different quote from an opposing coach that said something along the lines of Melo's understanding of defense is to yell "Switch!" any time he gets screened/picked.

    Denver has a chance to change their identity of their team from "Melo and friends" to a team that plays hard on defense, plays fast and spreads out the scoring -- in other words, more like the identity of it's coach. It wouldn't surprise me if a couple players suddenly flourish without Melo and that the Nuggets finally get past the first round -- something they only did once with Melo.

    As for to have him, but he'll be tough to pry lose. He'll be an RFA and I can't see Denver not matching any offer the Bulls will be able to make.

  • In reply to walrus:

    First off..
    Good Luck with your new Blog. Is It Up? Where do we find it? I'm sure you'll havew a great following.
    That quote about yelling switch and not moving, I thought they were talking about Carlos. :-).
    This Denver team is much more fun to watch. And your right get a meaty PF and keep Nene and they are one of the better teams in the West.
    Witch leads to, hopefully Denver can't keep Nene and Afflalo. between the 2 Nene is harder to replace.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Ha! Carlos does that too, I admit it! Can you imagine how confusing that would be if they were teammates?!

    Thanks for asking Waldook. I hope it's okay with Doug that I post the link since it isn't related to basketball. It's a Cub blog and I've been doing it for 3 days. Will have another post later today...

    You can also find it on my ChicagoNow profile.

  • In reply to walrus:

    JA nice writing on your Cubs blog. Do you mind if I ask do you get paid for that? And can anyone start a blog here, or do you have to be credentialed/approved/go through a process?

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Thanks RW. I definitely think you should write a blog. I'd certainly read it! If you wouldn't mind e-mailing at, I'll give you the details and what I did specifically...I just feel a little funny using Doug's thread :)

  • In reply to walrus:


    Here's the short, generic version, case, you prefer not to e-mail...
    *You do have to be approved/go through a short process.
    *Not sure if you need credentials/previous writing experience, though I did write a Cubs blog in the past.
    *Can't get specific about pay, but I'll just say you start off blogging because you are passionate about a topic and you like to write. I know you're a writer, RW, I knows them when I sees that's a good start.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Thanks for the compliment. Appreciate that. Anyway I e-mailed you so when you get a chance specifics would be greatly appreciated. As for credentials I attended Journalism school at U of I(Illinois), and have written stories on city affairs(Rockford, IL), sports/Stephen Bardo piece etc. for both colleges I attended.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Great RW...I just sent you an obnoxiously lengthy response!

  • In reply to walrus:

    Sure. Appreciate it! I'll drop you a line. Thanks.

  • In reply to walrus:

    I certainly don't mind, best of luck on the blog!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Thanks Doug!

  • In reply to Waldock:


    I agree with most of your analysis but you dont mention that the Jazz also got Derrick Favors, who could be the next Tyrus Thomas but still wa drafted quite high

  • In reply to Waldock:

    In the Wake of the Frenetic trading, you could argue the Bulls have a chance to contend/win this year. Or make that 'Had' a chance.

    Miami despite the Lebron/Wade Comstock Lode of scoring are 1-6 against elite what top five teams. They simply have garbage for the rest of their ballclub(at least until Haslem returns if healthy). And now Danny Ainge just outfoxed himself out of the most valuable defensive player on a team that wins largely with.. defense?! WTF indeed.

    Out of the West who really scares you? San Antonio? As far as I'm concerned you get a disciplined defense that doesn't fall for Ginobli's offesnive contortions(initiating contact), swipes and flops, and what have you got left? Maybe a top eight point guard who has shot in the .200's on 3's three of the past four years with only 3.9 FTA's this year whereas many upper tier PG's(Rose, Westbrook, D-Wil, Billups etc.) get their six times a game and up. And then there's Granpa Tim scoring a whopping 13ppg! The Lakers? They shouldn't have won the title last year, and Gasol, Odom etc. just don't have that fire this year whatsoever. OKC? Right now they have a point differential of two. Sure Perkins improves the interior D, but he's averaged 27 minutes per game the last three seasons.

    Which leads us to the Bulls with the first or second best defense in the league. Boozer's 19 and 10, Deng's 18 and 6, and some guy named Rose's 25 and 8. Not to mention Joakim Noah's pre-injury 14 and 12.

    So what? So somebody give me a scoring guard please!

    Sam Smith answers emails as a lot of people are aware. He's far from always right, but on draft day and trade deadlines he's been right every time he's replied to my questions. He said Memphis was definitely looking to trade Mayo. Which we know now is true.

    Look, if Mayo is, as Doug has suggested a FIVE TIME busted drug offender then honestly I don't know that I want him. I mean if you smoke pot ocassionally in your spare time fine some guys can handle it. But if you're getting high on a daily basis I'm not so sure. Still, Joakim along with most of the league accroding to Doug smokes pot. But did Mayo also use Coke? If so then I'm probably not itnerested in your services. I mean I don't see other guys getting busted. It just strikes me as odd that Doug states it must be true because only after the fifth offense does the league announce it. Yet no information on what that drug use/infraction history might be. Do individual rights really stop leaks? Or is it just that ESPN and other video/media outletts are no so financially innertwined/incestous that nobody wants to report it?

    I'd really like to know more about this. I mean are some of these violations for cocaine or anything beyond pot?

    It just sucks because if not for this Five Time drug offender label I would have killed the Bulls for not going after Mayo. I mean the third pick in the NBA Draft?! Last year he puts up 17.5ppg on .458 shooting with .383 from three?? Are you f-ing kidding me?? Fine he's a ball stopper. He hasn't played defense. He's on a losing club where he's just allowed to hoist. I don't f-ing care those are amazing numbers and pedigree top three in the NBA Draft.

    So you have a legit chance to contend for an NBA Championship in admittedly a weak year of contenders, and you settle for Keith F-ing Bogans?? Jesus H Christ.

    Honestly, sure trading for Mayo you are taking a risk. He's been in trouble for weed(hopefully only and not cocaine etc.), and had a scuffle or two with teammates. But if Gar/Pax were 'agressively' pursuing him/interested then how does that add up to him being unacceptable as a person/a loser??

    And the notion by K.C. that "Gar/Pax made a 'strong' bid for Mayo." OK company guy aka story supressor. Give me a f-ing break. Made a strong Bid??!! Memphis(and Houston) stated they wanted bigs from the Bulls aka Omer and Taj. We said NO!!! Strong pursuit?? Doesn't strong pursuit generally involve offering something somone else actually wants? Not what we think would be a good deal for them.

    Do I really reject a shot at the title for Omer Asik?? I mean Courtney Lee is a major upgrade at SG no question. That is what we needed in the worst way to reach the final level of contention. Nobody is going to deny that are they? Really?

    This year when god knows what's going to happen with the new CBA/season cancelled/hard cap etc?? And right now you have a chance to win? I mean a real honest to god chance we just beat Miami again(just barely and at our place), but with no SG.

    Sure it would be tough losing Taj. When he plays alongside Joakim the Bulls interior defense in my view is second to none. But his rebounds and points you can do without those modest totals. And Jo has been guarding PF's while Booz has the strength to cover the slow centers instead(great move Thibs) Either way you're still left with Omer or Taj to boot.

    And if you don't want to part with Taj/he's that vital defensively then fine, give up a potential quality starting SG(?), but then at least go get the major upgrade with Courtney Lee!

    This may come across as a rant, but honestly I'm just amazed that more people aren't shocked at this choice to stay with Bogans rather then load up with Mayo or Lee for a playoff run. You need length and numerous bigs in the playoffs true, but I'd rather have one less, and still have Taj or Omer with Joakim, Booz covering centers, and Kurt against stouter centers, and take my chances.

    I just think the Bulls had a shot at the title right now, and they f-ing blew it. One man's opinion. And apparently the only guy on this blog. Oh well. There's always next year(Noah's injury history, Taj's injury history, Omer Asik's injury history - Knee). I don't know man. As Charles says, "I m-m-m may be wrong.. but I'm probably not."

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    It was mentioned earlier that Bogans looked better on defense than Brewer. I think it is a matter of which flavor of bad you prefer.

    I seem to remember Bogans being on the floor during the first few minutes of the Heat running layup drills to start the game. My biggest complaint with him (asides from lack of consistent offense) is that when Rose drives and misses, Bogans never seems to adequately get back on defense. He seems 'stuck' in the corner; like he has super glue on his shoes. Boozer and Noah are in the paint, so it isn't realistic for them to always make it back. Depending on what the offensive set was, Deng may be closer in or in the opposite corner. This leaves the Bulls susceptible to the fast break, as we saw to start last night's game.

    This and the constant double-teaming for Rose will be the Bulls downfall come the second round (assuming they go up against a Boston or Miami in the 2nd round), I fear.

    So, no, you're not the only one disappointed that we're going to see a lot more of Bogans.

    The fact the Spurs are so much better without him, with a clearly declining Duncan, says a lot to me.

  • In reply to saigman:

    Bogans is a slug, physically and mentally.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I really doubt that many if any players on championship teams smoke pot during the season, or even during most of the offseason, given the work reaquired to be great.

    Maybe the guys who have great talent but never win(Melo anyone) do it and that is why they never win.

    I just don't see Jordan, Scottie, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Rose smoking pot.

    You simply cannot be an elite athlete on pot and beat other elite athletes not on pot.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Beware of Malware Infecting your Computer

    Minutes ago I clicked on the story:

    It's buyout season, Gar says expect 'nothing significant'

    Then I clicked on a link regarding "D League" to see what D leaguers the Bulls were interested in.

    Than malware kicked in on my well protected laptop.

    I recognized the malware, closed out the window immediately, and powered down my laptop. Now I'm running a full Symantec scan against the laptop.

    So be careful. You can get bit by malware (kind of like a computer virus) even when reading about the Bulls.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Thanks for the heads up Richard!

  • In reply to walrus:

    No doubt. Thanks.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    What site were you on, what site was the link too.

    I just spent the last 24 installing everything Norton has to offer and running every scan they have to offer, so hopefully I am fully protected.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Now we're hearing from Sam Smith that Heisley didn't want to deal with the Bulls. Yes, Heisley and his GM Chirs Wallace are two of the bigger a-holes in the league. But how are you supposed to deal with someone when they say, "Hey let's do a trade. We want Gasol, but will refuse you the guy you want(Deng), but let's keep talking endlessly." And now, "Hey Grizzlies, yeah we hear you want a big for Mayo. Well, f-ck you we're not giving you one. OK? But we still want Mayo. How does that work for you??"

    Talk about disengenuous pursuits. Please. What a f-ing joke. Likwise Lee. Houston said they wanted one of our bigs Omer. Period. You have to give something to get something in a geunine negotiation. Right? Not according to Gar/Pax. Yet we keep blabbing "oh no you'd be better off with this deal.." They wanted Omer and we said No. End of story.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Although it is possible, I doubt the Memphis FO is so stupid in not wanting to deal with the Bulls out of some old issues/history or whatever. I think they wanted a big whose skill is more on the offensive side rather than defense. Josh McRoberts is more offensive minded(he can hit the 3)than Taj or Asik. And they might also have believed that Taj/Asik are a product of Thibs's defensive scheme like we think of D'Antoni's players on offense.

    I think Ric Hamilton is salivating coming to the Bulls because of the 3 mil capspace depending on the buyout he gets. He is a better fit than Mayo or Lee for this season but not long term obviously. Maybe they really want Affalo who might become available in summer as I am not sure Denver will keep both Affalo and JR Smith and JR Smith looks like a 1st option now on Denver.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I'm all for Rip. He's old but he's a good upgrade and a guy whose been to the playoffs and would seem like a good locker room guy (I don't blame his attitude for being in Detroit, they have just imploded in the last few years).

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    "I doubt the Memphis FO is so stupid"

    Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol.

    Never, ever, underestimate the idiocy of those in charge!

  • In reply to saigman:

    In hindsight, it was not such a bad deal assuming they didn't get that many offers from other clubs. They got a young Gasol who is not as good as his older brother but is coming into his own now, Kwame was a bust but still in the OJ Mayo territory(high pick but potential if he goes to the right place and some kind of fixing possible).
    They were not going to contend with Pau and it is like the Melo/Deron/LeBron story in a way.
    I don't know what the Bulls offered but I guess it was Deng..maybe they went for a big player.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    To paraphrase Bill Simmons:

    "Anytime you trade away the best player in a deal, and get back the zombified corpse of a former #1 pick, you just got to do it".

    If they didn't get better offers, it means they weren't trying. As much of a homer trade as I think McHale's shipment of Garnett to Boston was, you can at least say he got some value in return (which was promptly turned into nothing).

    Given the overpay of Rudy Gay this past offseason, I think it is safe to assume that the Memphis front office is a cluster@#%^.

    GarPax may not always hit a home run, but I'll take that Tony Gwynn-esque performance over what Memphis has done every time!

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Haha, don't take that bet. I don't say this just because of their trades, but I know several people who've spent a lot of time working with Chris Wallace who are amazed that he is employed.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Also, never underestimate the eccentricity and hubris of really rich people, as F Scott said they are just different than you and me.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Richard Hamilton is not getting bought out this year unless he wins the Powerball and Megamillions lottery on the same day.

    Buyouts do not happen with 2 plus years left on contracts and $25+ million.

    Can we please stop talking about things that are just not in play, much like the Bulls having any shot at Melo.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Word is that Troy Murphy is leaning toward signing with Boston once he's bought out -- if Boston had an inkling this would happen then the trade makes more sense.

    Shaq for being slow footed and horrific on the pick and roll, is still a pretty decent post defender. The trade can now give Boston all kinds of different looks in the front court with O'Neal, Murphy, Green (sounds pretty Irish...maybe that's the plan?), Garnett and Davis.

    If they get Murphy, I'm changing my grade from "loser" to "neutral" -- on Boston as I'd like to wait and see how that works out.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Why are the Bulls not candidates to sign Murphy, we have at least twice the money to offer the guy vs any over the cap teams. and we sure could use a stretch 4, or anybody who can actually make a wide open jumper, plus the guy crashes the boards too.

  • In reply to walrus:

    teams don't win championships until their best players commit to playing championship caliber defense, or actually become the best defensive player on the team.

    Will Melo ever do or be that.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Reinsdorf is majority owner of both teams. However you want to slice it, he controls what happens with both teams.

    The White Sox are run at break even levels, the Bulls generate 50 million in profit a year. Do the profits of one directly go to the other, no.

    However, he runs the Bulls as a business and the White Sox as a fan, and that's awesome if you're a sox fan and not so much if you're a Bulls fan.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I would think that his minority partners would have something to say about that, esecially if they are not the same guys.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    IF Aflalo keeps improving the Bulls cannot afford to get their hands on him.

  • In reply to walrus:

    ya i heard that too. and that we offered brewer two first round picks and a second round pick. how do you not take that but would take mcroberts and one first. thats just stupidity. not helping your franchise

  • In reply to brad73:

    Oh to have wires taps of the GM's offices around this crazy hot deadline! :-)
    I like Ronnie Brewer a lot and am happy that the supposed deal of him and 3 picks didn't go down for Mayo! Ronnie is awesome coming off the bench and has taken that role when he was signed and told he would start! Id include Ronnie in the young Bulls I'd keep long term along with Taj, Asik also is too intriguing to let go. We have a good young nucleus here!
    I agree we are 1 good starting quality SG away from going all the way!
    Stephen Jackson can put up big #s and has size so I'm surprised that we couldn't send our picks, cash and Bogans to them.
    I would have loved to have Gerald Wallace on this team the guy is very good and I've loved him since he was in Sacto but he isn't cheap!
    I'm pretty confident we can get our backup PG and hopefully decent SG in the draft as we can trade up with our picks.

    Not always bad to stay put and stick to your demands and make a trade for the sake of making a trade! We tried but other teams were just stupid like Boston WTF! Unless Perkins is done with bad knees what the heck were they thinking! They are in a win it now mode and their window is closing fast! Putting their hopes all in Shaq and Garrnett and Allen all aging fast vets is very risky!
    Did they go crazy because Daniels is done so they thought they couldn't live without Green and Kystic and gave away Perkins and Robinson?! Very stupid!!!
    It really sucks to make very done trades like Boston did especially with them being on the top of the hill and being favorites to win this year, they also had incredible chemistry and now screwed that up!
    It also sucks to make a trade after the deadline and have it not go thru like the Memphis and Indy did!
    I truely don't understand how we didn't get Mayo with our rumored offer and they like McRoberts better!

  • We'll probably never know, but I would love to know exactly what went down with negotiations between Gar/Pax and Houston/Memphis/etc. Most fans berate Paxson, but for all we know, the other side was asking way too much and not being reasonable.

    Still confused how Indiana's offer of McRoberts and a pick was better than Chicago's picks for Mayo. I know the reports say they wanted Taj, but IMO Taj is way better than McRoberts. I'm a little biased here, but if I were Memphis, I'd much rather have 2 or 3 of our picks than McRoberts and a pick. This is one of those situations where I wish I could hear the negotiations because it doesn't make sense from a fans perspective.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    McRoberts has NBA scoring ability Taj takes a week to wind up his shot and never makes it anymore.

    Taj is almost certainly a better defender, but he is a role player at best. Memphis will not resign Randolph, they need a power forward to start in his place. McRoberts is a better starting power forward than Taj is.

    And the Indiana pick is much better than ours, so all parties seem to have acted rationally, except of course the raving name calling lunatics on chicago blogs.

  • If you read my long post I appreciate it. That was a long read, but it's a big issue/decision whether you were for or against a trade.

    I respect those who don't want to make rash decisions/act imprudently. But I have to tell you I think the Bull's momentum could have taken a big leap with a legit scoring guard. Honestly, if you're saying you don't believe this team has a legit shot at winning a title in a in my view very weak year of contedners I simply have to disagree.

    Ending up with what 55 wins, best home court in the East, MVP plays for us, best defense, probably end up beating every team in the league when it's all said and done including Miami two or three times, and one gaping hole at SG, and we fill that, and we don't have a chance to win it?! Courtney Lee doesn't shoot in volume, but he's over 40% from three two of the last three seasons. A career 44% shooter at 9ppg. That's a legit addition I'd have to say where we are dieing in many games/mometum is being slowed. Plus he's supposed to be good on D. And Mayo's potential impact. But we can't win with that add??
    Have to differ with you here man.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Where would the Bulls have been had they never traded Oakley for Cartwright? (bear in mind, people LOVED Oakley in Chicago, including MJ...that was an all-in move).

    I think the Bulls are at that point again.

  • In reply to saigman:

    Probably with the same six titles.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    plus that trade was big for bigger and in a different era.
    More like trading Taj for Asik, but better talents involved.

  • In reply to saigman:

    Most fans completely forget how in the 1st and 2nd championship runs Cartwright completely outplayed the two best centers in the East - Brad Daugherty and Patrick Ewing. He out scored them, out rebounded them, out defended them. That was a big factor in the more physical early 1990

  • Great win from the bulls. I'm so happy they beat a not short-handed miami. I hate Heat. Good job bulls. good job Deng with the last shot even u were only one fire the second half !!

  • One other note: Perkin's contract expires after this season if I'm not mistaken. So who's to say he ends up staying with OKC? I know they'll have cap space/probably offer him more then anyone else, but... Also, the Knicks are going to have about $52 Million dollars tie up in three players..? I don't know if that Miami formula is going to work when the max guys are not named Wade and James.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I heard he cried after he learned he was traded. C'mon, be a professional. I can't believe he was acting like a big baby (no pun intended).

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I would believe it. They won a championship, and probably two if he doesn't go down in that game 7 in L.A. 'Big Baby' ha, ha.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I think they(Boston, Perkins, Garnett) took this brotherhood, competitiveness to an absurd crazy level just because all their fans got crazily in love with them.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:



  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    anyone ever done standing room tickets??

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Depending on how you feel about it, and the various states of well-being in your traveling party, Handicap Accessible seating may be something else to look into.

    Those seats usually don't show up on a TicketMaster/Stub Hub search, and have to be requested separately.

    I blew out my left knee in a match a few years back, and couldn't bend it for about 6 weeks. I was able to score Accessible seating to both Sox and Bulls games. They were pretty decent.

    Best of luck regardless!

  • In reply to saigman:

    I have an extra walking boot I could make brother wear haha!!

  • In reply to saigman:

    I thank the Celtics for making it easier for the Bulls to get first in the east. Not only did they trade Perkins, they traded Erden too. Too much reliance on old bigs. I think the Nuggets are better after this trade. Yes Melo is a star. He is also a ball stopper, and a volume shooter. He scored 27 on 25 shots against the Bucks. Denver beat a Celtics team that had all 4 "all stars" and beat them by 14. They moved the ball better, and are pretty deep. Their bench is nasty, while NY's is non existent. I actually expect the Knicks to drop in the standings. Not sure what their schedule is like, but if they're playing .500+ teams I expect a losing record...

  • In reply to saigman:

    This has been agonizing. Are we SERIOUSLY going for it this year, or positioning ourselves for a Dynasty? If it's This Year, it's because it will only be tougher next year and there's a window of opportunity NOW - and that window did NOT seem to close with the Big Trades. ie. none of our immediate opponents (Miami, Boston, Orlando) got MUCH better immediately. (Atlanta? Too soon to tell, I'm a little nervous...)

    FWIW, it's clear that GarPax think Taj and Omer will do more to help the club win THIS YEAR than an upgrade at SG. I'd love to hear some of the excellent writers here discuss that point. I sense that GarPax think we can win with defense and the SG platoon we have - but that the loss of Taj and/or Omer exposes our defense badly - never mind possible injuries to our front court starters... It would be a better balanced and more reliable offensive team with a new SG, for sure, but I think THEY think our offense is adequate - and will improve with Jo... They may be right: if we execute better that last two games, they're not even CLOSE.

    So let's hope we can pick up an occasional sharpshooter to keep Scalabrine company at the end of the bench now that JJ's gone, and that Korver can get more shots while he's in, and stuff like that. But I think this team has not yet peaked, not even close, and we're still NBA Top Four. GarPax may not be doing so bad after all! Only time will tell...

  • In reply to petert23:

    Kapono is possibly being bought out but hes a worse defender than Korver

  • In reply to petert23:

    Since Pistons seem to be experiencing a Egypt style mutiny - - any chance we get Rip Hamilton??

  • In reply to claytonabigsby:

    Still probably a longshot...Prince is a possibility too since he's cheaper to buy out, though he's more of a SF -- but then again, so is Kyle Korver and we play him at SG, so who knows?

  • In reply to walrus:

    Is promising Hamilton a 3 mil deal for this year(pro-rated) and a 5 mil offer for next year worth it? If he gets a buy-out for 15-17 mil(I think he is owed around 30 mil)..It is debatable and risky though as he looks like a shell of the old Hamilton.

    Prince could be ok though if he replaces Bogans's minutes and based on match-ups we can play Korver, Deng, Brewer, Prince at 2/3 positions.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Obviously, you are not Hamiltons wife, or his baby momma's.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Remember how disappointing Noah was as a rookie? And how he didn

  • In reply to Edward:

    At the time of the '08 draft, I remember Pax saying it would take Asik 2 years to come over, but that they viewed him as a lottery pick if he had been eligible right away. That's pretty high praise.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Yes, I have a buddy who never let me forget Paxson said Asik was a lottery pick. In a draft do-over he would be.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Knicks were out rebounded by the Cavs 42 to 62 in their loss.
    Don't know how the Nuggets are going to do tonight. But even on the road I like their chances.

    JJ is better against the Bulls. Only 6 pts in 28 minutes, 3 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 to tonight against the Suns

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Gave up 115 points to the lowly Cavs too...3 Cavs players with 20+ points and a 4th with 16. But hey, Carmelo and Amare combined for 58!

  • In reply to walrus:

    carmello missed a key free throw and fouled out

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Guess what? NYK still doesn't play defense...thank you Mike D'Antoni.

    Melo was DUMB. He should have forced his way to the Bulls.

    I guess his wife wears the pants in that family.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Happy...I've got to agree with you here. Melo was dumb. I don't think he'll ever win a title in NY.

  • In reply to walrus:

    He's getting paid huge amounts of money to live where he wants. He's stupid like a fox.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The reference was about his chances to successfully compete for a title. Don't usually agree with Happy, but he's right when he implies Melo had a better shot of winning in Chicago -- but of course, most of us knew all along that winning wasn't his priority anyway. It was always obscene amounts of money and playing on the biggest stage possible. You could say he's smart for getting what he wants but I say spoiled brats also get what they want. Doesn't necessarily mean it's the best thing for them.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Not everyone values the same things and measures success in the same way in any other profession, why would basketball players be any different? If playing in New York while making as much money as possible will make Melo happier than winning a championship then good for him that he took the route he took.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Mr. Clutch...he fouled out too? Must be because there's nobody to hide behind when it's time to play defense.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    I'm suddenly a Nuggets fan.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Actually, when they were on last night I found myself rooting for them.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    I watched them too. They should have won that game. Portland hit some wild 3s down the stretch. They were more fun to watch than the Melo Nuggets. Lots more ball movement and transition play on offense. Had a couple lapses on D but I think that had more to do with not being on the same page yet than lack of effort.

  • In reply to Waldock:

  • In reply to ChiRy:



    Thanks ChiRy

    Fright'ning thing is I can imaginie him doing it.

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    I would have loved for them to incorporate a "mouse in a house" somehow, with "free cheese"

  • In reply to Jersey66: a nuggets fan too now. That team was really fun to watch the other night. I love how George Karl tells his team..."We want to play CRAZY fast" That has to be fun for a team.

    If Corey brewer gets bought out....Bulls need to get him!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Hilarious....Poor Stacy needs a break from basketball duties...

  • In reply to Waldock:

    What is all this love around Perkins for? You'd think he was the the next Shaq or something with the way analysts act like the West is almost a lock for the Thunder. His PER is 10.2 and he's never averaged more than 30 minutes a game in a season. Is he really *that* much better than Kristic, who's PER is 12.6? My guess is that Perkins doesn't look quite so good on defense without the Boston system and teammates (who were all Thibs-ified the past few years). On offense, Perk has some ok post stuff, but nothing really outstanding for a center. I'd say in about 1-2 years, if they actually let him develop, Cole Aldrich will be a much better option for the Thunder at starting center.

    Plus, I am pretty sure Perk's knees have little left. I doubt he starts playing more than 28 minutes a game with a PER of over 15, which is probably what is needed to make enough of a difference to knock of the likes of the Spurs and Lakers.

  • In reply to walrus:

    I doubt they will buy-out Prince unless Dumars/Prince have a big time fall-out. They would have traded him yesterday as he has value and an expiring contract. I guess either they want to resign him or use him in a sign and trade based on the future of their on-going sale.

  • In reply to claytonabigsby:

    Great win by the Bullies!!!! Deng finally show up in the 2nd started attacking on offense. He was WAYYY to passive in the 1st. Im glad we didnt get rid of Asik...ive been a fan of him for a while now. I would of traded him for Mayo but not Lee.

    Mayo has been caught smoking pot a couple times, nothing that others players in the league dont his last drug use was a drug used to make "HIS MAN HOOD BIGGER". lol

    But anyways...lets see who is gonna get bought it...maybe we can find someone there. OR since we do have 4 draft picks in the next 2 years...we could always move up in the draft an grab a legit SG. With the Bobcats getting rid of Gerald Wallace, that will make our Bobcats pick even better. And a good trading piece.

    Lastly, even though it was a great win...still dont think the Bulls beat the Heat in a 7 game series.

  • In reply to claytonabigsby:

    Another thing to think about.....if the Bulls beat the Nets,Raptors,the Bobcats 2 times,Sixers and Golden State...this team would be in 1st!!!!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    And if pigs had wings they could fly.

  • In reply to claytonabigsby:

    Snowball and Hell ring a bell.

  • In reply to claytonabigsby:

    It still depends entirely on Rip being willing to give up some money to get bought out, and not sure that's going to happen. I'm sure he'd like to be somewhere where he plays but he doesn't seem willing to pay for the privilege.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Rip reportedly refused a buy out that cost him 9 million. I can't say I blame him as it's iffy whether he could have made up 9 million bucks in two years.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Their coach is going to get fired anyway so I'm sure the new guy will play him. He might as well keep the money and stay.

  • In reply to claytonabigsby:

    Great, complimentary article about the Bulls ascent in the East:

  • In reply to claytonabigsby:

    Thought people might enjoy this.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    "Like a Bosh. You got it, you thought it was gonna be awesome, it sucks, it doesn't do anything"

    I enjoyed that very much, thanks.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    MARCH 1:

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    sorry but a 28% 3 pt shooter is NOT what the Bulls need on the team now!

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    FYI: The Bulls' scouts attending last night's Iowa Energy.

    Nick Nurse, the Head Coach of the Iowa Energy, said the Bulls were specifically there to look at Jeffers and Stinson.

    He thought they they could be added to the Bulls roster on March 1st.

  • In reply to MrHappy:


    Keep in mind, Nick Nurse tipped accurately stated when JJ was going to re-join the Bulls.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I know we lost JJ and haven't filled his roster spot (and don't need to). I think at this stage of the season to bring one or two D-League players to add to the practice squad doesn't help them or the Bulls. Both these players are playing well in D-league so let them continue to do so and if we pick them up for summer league and/or pre-season fine; but if we get an injury to any of the team at this stage I would prefer a savvy vet to fill the gap - exactly like Kurt has done for us when JoNo was out. We need anyone who comes onto the team at this stage of the season to fit in almost immediately and not to be a project. That is why JJ was dumped so why go D-League route for extra bodies now.

    Maybe T-Mac will be kicked out of Detroit for laughing at Kuester. I know he's a bit of an egotist but he has played better than expected for Detroit this year and can play the 2 with Rose or handle the ball when Derrick sits.

    That sort of player my preference at this stage of the season

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    I think JJ was a different case. He could/would have been given 5/10 mins a game but he was not going to be more than that. The Bulls just sold him at the best value they thought they would get from this point forward and he was on a higher rookie scale being a 16th pick. If JJ was a little better than he is, they would have kept him. If he was worse than he is, they would have got nothing for him.

  • In reply to Jersey66:


    Boston or Chicago?

  • In reply to MrHappy:


    We accept Booz's defensive weakness but Kapono makes Booz look like Dwight howard on defence.

    If Bulls progress this year it will be done on the defensive end. If we need a 3pt specialist we already have KK and atleast he knows what the word defence means and has been in Thibs sysytem all year - not what you caan ever say abou Kapona

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    That was great...cracked me up!

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    Cheers bp - loved it.

    At least with Booz we knew what we were getting (Great low post; SnR; 20-10; crap D lol) and he hasn't dissappointed!

  • In reply to petert23:

    the playoffs come down to bigman depth, and elite scorers who are also willing to play D.

    There were no elite scorers for the Bulls to acquire.

    Are any of the SG we've speculated about any better than Jeff Green. and Boston is getting killed for trading big for small(er)

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    most thugs are babies underneath.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Hi RW; always good to read your posts. I think the main difference betwen Miami and NY is the money. Miami have Wade, James and Bosh for $43.5m but NY have Stat and Melo $34m. The $9.5m doesn't get you another superstar. Even though I hate the idea of the three of them joining up, I have to applaud the finacial side of what they did. Still you look at how many crap players they had to fill out the Heat roster with and it will only be worse for NY esp after the next CBA.

    I believe that Chicago's use of the draft and the timing of gutting the roster for the FA class of 2010 just fitted perfectly for us. To still have two of our best three players on Rookie Scale contracts helped get Booz and still have the cap room left to get a decent supporting crew. I believe the next CBA should look to prevent superstars getting together like at the Heat and NY but should not hand tie teams like the Bulls who have been successful in the draft and managing their finances. After gutting their roster last year, Heat are $8m over the cap and NY now $10m over the cap - how that is allowed to happen beggers belief. One reason I see the small town owners insisting on a "harder" cap to prevent the Big City teams using exemptions etc to allow them to massively improve the required depth to go with their 2/3/4??? superstars who have all decided to collude.

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    Thanks Jersey66. Speaking of collusion, I honestly believe players who are turned into multimillionaires for the rest of their life whichever franchise they blossom under should not be allowed to discuss trades/moving to the same team with other players. I would have the right to sue them for what is the term industrial/corporate espionage? There has to be some kind of exclusivity when your investing that kind of money.

    I also know that that would probably not be enforcible though, and most likely will never happen.

    As for the Knicks I believe they plan on signing Billups next year on their team option. So that would put them at $51 Million right there for three players next season. I guess if there's no hard cap under the new CBA there's always M.L.E's, but I still think they are going to be hamstrung on the remainder fo their roster.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    the knicks are praying for cap space in 2012, not this summer.

    Miami is essentially capped out for the duration with the big 3, Miller and Haslem on the books for over $60 for the next 4 seasons.

  • i don't think chicago is among the winners. they settle. I know we beat heat but we still need a sg. Even if bogans has improved his 3pt shoot, it's still not enough to be a killer in hot games(like playoffs or yesterday games). indeed he didn't knock down a shoot yersterday night.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Thanks for the newsflash, never crossed my mind before you pointed that out.

  • Who do you view as SGs that are "much better" than Lee/Mayo? That we would be able to target?

  • I wouldn't consider Afflalo to be better than Mayo (whom I consider better than Lee), and I'd be shocked if we could get Eric Gordon for Gibson or Asik in a package.

    Kevin Martin is an intriguing possibility though, I wouldn't be shocked if he got put on the trade block.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I doubt Kevin Martin is given up easily for picks or bench players like Taj. Morey got Thabeet and a pick for Battier(who is getting old and is a FA). He wants the sun, moon and the planets for anything I guess and he is under a lot of pressure to get a franchise type player.
    I agree though Mayo has the highest potential than anyone but hopefully we can get him when the new CBA is figured out and Memphis realizes they definitely cannot keep him and picks are the best value in the new CBA.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    he certainly is, and Houston may decide to move him for picks as they look to restructure their team.

  • As doug mentioned the Bulls will be well positioned for a draft day move. I expect good news on or before that date, that will wipe away all the trade deadline handwringing.

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