Trade deadline discussion thread

I've set my Miami game thread to publish at 4pm given that we'll all be watching the trade deadline until that point.

So far, things don't look particularly likely for a Bulls move.  No one was held out of games yesterday which means a trade was clearly not imminent.    However, the Bulls have one more day to see if they can swing their draft picks for a player.

I'll update this post with any trade happenings throughout the day. 

The two strongest possibilities for a trade (by my pure speculation) are Courtney Lee for both our 2010 first rounders or Anthony Parker for the Miami first rounder.

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  • No to Anthony Parker. Bring in Courtney Lee. I did see something about a Korver/pick for Mayo that Memphis didn't want. I would throw in that Bobcats pick in as well to make this trade. This pick is not as good as everyone thinks it will be. Make a move, I'm tired of seeing us lose to these bad teams. We need to make some noise in the playoffs.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    I'd do Korver + 3 1sts for Mayo if it got it done.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Though it's more likely that we'd trade Bogans + picks for Mayo, since Memphis probably doesn't want Korver's extra salary.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    OJ Mayo for Keith Bogans + 3 First Round Picks

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    I'd do that

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    More than likely... no deals for the Bulls,hope I'm wrong but may have to wait til the off season. The Knicks with Amare, Billips and Melo,IMO not a good match up for the Bulls if they meet in the playoffs.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Korver/Asik/3picks for Mayo/Thabeet?

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Nyet

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    It looks like Baron Davis is getting traded for Moon and Mo Williams.
    That means, is Anthony Parker even available.
    Looks like no deal might happen till the last min when somebody will buckle.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Miami late 1st round pick to get JJ back to the Bulls!
    He killed us yesterday!
    I see a Tyrus Thomas but with more upside in JJ.
    Glad he is starting already since he just got to Toronto!

    Korver or Bogans + 1st round picks for Mayo.
    Add in Asik for Thabeet if that is needed at least we'd get a lottery pick young big man back!

    If not, 1st picks + Bogans for C. Lee from Houston

  • In reply to smiley:

    They will ask for Noah or Rose for JJ now seeing how the Toronto reporter felt;-)

  • In reply to smiley:

    I'm still keeping Rodney Stuckey as my surprise trade deadline pick. We could potentially absorb his contract and throw some picks DETs way. I'm sure Dumars would wanna make up from his mistakes of overpaying Ben Gordon and Villanueva. Stuckey could come here and play SG, what I believe is his natural position anyways.

    And now there's talks of the Rockets getting Thabeet for Shane Battier. I guess the Rockets got their big man. Wonder if they'll move Courtney Lee now?

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Ric Bucher just said ESPN that Anthony Parker coming to the Bulls is DEAD. He said we're still pushing for Courtney Lee.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Thank you God! Anthony Parker is not the answer.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    +2 I AGREE!

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    i don't like stuckey. he is selfish. ball hogger

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I thought you liked those kind of players?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    HAHAHA

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    MAYO TO PACERS (OFFICIAL):

    http://twitter.com/memphisnews/status/40868283750162432

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Rip Hamilton was almost traded to CLE but he wouldn't accept buyout from them. If he wouldn't accept buyout from CLE, I don't think he'll accept one from DET. Hamilton may not get bought out.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Hamilton has 2 more years after this one left, no one ever gets that bought out, unless they give up half the money, which no NBA player would ever do.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Why cant the Bulls find a guy in the DLeague that just shoots 3's? Arnt there any 3pt specialist there? Tell a guy like Morris Almond...focus on making 3s an you might have a spot on our team. We need a guy like James Jones that can just sit at the arc an trey. How did the Spurs get Gary Neal??? Thats all he is.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    They can find someone in the NBDL who shoots 3s well and likely will. But that player will never crack the rotation, as that player likely won't be better than Bogans, Brewer, or Korver.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Even Grizzles are enough smart to know that the beet is just tall. bulls really think that Asik will turn into Howard. lool.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    C'mon, nobody said Asik will be Howard or even Noah. He is tending towards being a good backup. The point is a SG/SF type(not a superstar)is easier to find than a smart/young/non-injury/backup prone big. Look at Miami...they would take Asik in a heartbeat. They are signing antiques like they are some curators in some museum in France... And again, even if we have to trade Asik...we better do it next year when his value is going to be higher as he is still developing. He has played 1/2 an NBA season. We have lost lot of assets without getting much value back because of LeBron's summer. That's the issue here.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    always the same song. if it so easier to find a SG why are u in the mid-season still looking to replace bogans ??
    I now Centers are rare nowadays but that doesn't mean that all C are good. He is a GARBAGE TIME PLAYER. he will end-up in D-league our without contract !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    yeah, screw centers, you don't need them! Let's just have Boozer guarding the paint!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Your lunacy knows no bounds.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Asik may turn out to be a better interior defender than Noah, if he isn't already.

    I still would like to see more of them together, which we could actually do if we had a real scoring 2.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    i guess everybody hopes for one of them to become magically good. i'd throw all the efforts towards mayo

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    How about the bulls fool the grizzlies into thinking they are the lakers and get Mayo for bogans straight up

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    LOL the Lakers had unfair "luck" with the Pau Gasol trade! :-)

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Bucher does this shit all the time. That's why i said when the guys posted BUCHER SAYS LEE TO BULLS I knew it was probably a bunch of BS. Most teams that get dynamic deals done don't wait until the last minute. The Bulls said all along they were not going to give up OMer/any bigs which is what other teams wanted, and that's that. There are no trades for Lee, Mayo happening.

    I don't know what Bucher actually said, but he is the LAST guy I would ever listen to.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    We got a couple hours left.....lets see if ur right Road Warrior....Bucher is a dumb F***

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    I heard that Ric Bucher said on ESPN about 15 mins ago that the Bulls have a deal to bring Courtney Lee to Chicago. This was also brought up on Twitter by Jason Goff of 670 The Score. Neither stated what the Bulls would be sending in return though.

  • In reply to deemoney23:

    Thanks for the info. While I'll believe it when I see it, appreciate the semi-confirmation nonetheless.

  • In reply to deemoney23:

    Courtney Lee is as solid as they come. He has the ability to score big too. In college i think he was averaging in the upper 20's. Even though he has been traded a lot, he has also been a starter for all those teams. He can shoot, play D and is a good locker room guy. Good athlete too. Im hoping we just gave picks away though. I wanna keep Asik

  • In reply to deemoney23:

    Ric Bucher just said that the Bulls are not probably getting Lee or Mayo or Parker or Rasual Butler..

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    In reply to deemoney23:

    Can we please go back to square one on Mayo for a second. I don't think I've ever seen or heard a real explanation of why he'd be so good for this team. He's an undersized shooting guard, something thing FO has been trying to get away from. As a scorer, per 36 CJ Watson stacks up about even or better than him in pretty much every category. I'd say that the people who want OJ are more in love with his potential than his actual play, especially statistically. But then, even Doug seems to be on board. So, why the love for Mayo? What am I missing here?

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    I think it's more from fans who still believe the hype from college and his rookie year. He's an overrated player -- not that he wouldn't help, but people seem to think he's way better than he is.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Lee is good. He's a better defender than Mayo and he's a more efficient scorer. If you compare Lee and Mayo on their scoring per 36 minutes, Lee is at 14.6 and Mayo is at 15.5. There isn't much difference there. The big difference is that Lee doesn't need to have the ball all the time to score. The problem with Mayo is for him to score, he needs to take the ball away from Rose at times. And then Lee is the far better defender. You mentioned combining our SGs into one - well Lee has the athletic defense of Brewer, the toughness of Bogans, and is shooting for a higher percentage from 3 than Korver this year. He's just a great fit for what the Bulls want at SG.

  • In reply to walrus:

    at this point I would rather trade Korver for Lee or Mayo than Brewer. Now if we could get Mayo and Tony Allen then we could jettison Brewer.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Stuckey would need the ball in his hands too much...

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Stuckey's ancestors were smart;-) They got a last name based on one their kid's basketball issues...The ball gets stuck in his hand and doesn't get passed...

  • In reply to smiley:

    With Melo/williams now in the east. The power has shifted, im not worried about NJ this year but seriously the bulls need an upgrade at SG. We cant keep saying the bulls arent title contenders this year, that cant be an excuse to not upgrade the position because you really never know. Especially with the way the bulls are playing. You cannot keep riding derrick EVERY single night. He needs some help. When he leaves the offense basically stalls, Watson cant move the ball to cutters and unless brewer is playing well we find ourselves down as soon as derrick leaves. Come playoff time thats going to really come back and bite us. I know pickings are slim but if it takes those 3 first/asik and or bogans to get mayo then you do it

  • In reply to smiley:

    I'd be shocked if Mayo were traded to us. I see him being used in a larger trade to get Memphis an impact player or at least a player that can start. They're trying to make the playoffs. That's the only way that franchise can make money, by getting to the playoffs. I hope I'm wrong.

  • In reply to smiley:

    Listening to Mully & Hanley interview a guy from Hoopsworld this morning on the way to work I had this crazy idea, based totally on the rumors that Philly would like to move Igoudala since he's unhappy.

    Bulls send
    Omer Asik
    Ronnie Brewer
    CJ Watson
    Charlotte Pick
    Another 1st rounder (or however many Philly wants)

    Bulls receive
    Andrew Igoudala.

    You have an option to replace Asik with Taj and Brewer with Korver depending on preferences of Charlotte. I like Brewer better than Korver, but it's probably better for the Bulls if Korver stays since Iggy isn't a lights out shooter and Korver can still zone bust. If Charlotte wants Korver more you can still go make a move for Anthony Parker for zone-busting duties. Also the defensive presence of Brewer is more than taken care of by Igoudala. The other problem is that it leaves us without a backup point guard (had to include Watson for the money-- these trades do work salary-wise at least according to trade machine). You could try to pry one of the PGs (Lou Williams or Jrue) out of Philly but that'd be too go to be true. Frankly if getting Igoudala means the Bulls have to get one of the D-league PGs they were looking at, I still think the loss of CJ Watson is FAR outshined by the acquisition of a near all-star PG like Igoudala.

  • In reply to thefish7:

    Andre*.

  • In reply to thefish7:

    If Mayo's available to the Bulls, it's not for Korver, it's for Taj and that's definitely a no-no.

    (Please delete the double-post, Doug? My thumb went crazy and tapped the fingerpad while I was commenting.)

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    Wait, you trade Asik for Lee, but not Taj for Mayo.

    Asik is better than Taj and Mayo is better than Lee, you do the math.

  • In reply to thefish7:

    To Bulls: Sam Young
    To Grizzlies: #1 Pick

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4l64wdk

    * I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

    LAST 10 GAMES:

    Sam Young - 14.3 pts., 4.7 rbs., 2.0 assts., 1.7 stls., while shooting 48% in 36 mins. of playing time per game.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4020/sam-young

    * The kid grew up idolizing MJ, which is why he wore #23 at PITT.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If the Bulls are trading for a two-guard, it's for someone who can shoot better than Young.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    Alex,

    48% FG shooting sucks, I guess. Let's not be clueless.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Young's FG% is only .463 this season and his 3P% is .289. I think his 3 pt % is the real issue that Alex was referring to.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    he shot 0.28% from 3pt line. we need someone who can space the floor. If he shot 48% FG without being a good 3p shooter, that means he is more driver than a shooter. We want to spread the floor for Rose

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yes, if you don't know what you are talking about, THEN SHUT YOUR MOUTH Alex

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    23% from 3 in your career is good!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I see what you did there.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    A.) I never said "sucks," so straw man.

    B.) OK, he hits the long two -- the worst shot in basketball of which the Bulls shoot way too many -- at 47%.

    C.) The SG in this offense needs to hit threes and he sucks at them, as others have noted. There's little use for him in this offense.

    D.) You said 48%? That's his eFG%. Not very good if you're not getting the volume, which he won't.

    E.) The evidence I just gave could be considered clues. As easily accessible as those clues are, your "clueless" red herring is jibberish.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    Ric Bucher just said on ESPN 1000 that Anthony Parker, Mayo, AND Courtney Lee aren't the ones coming to the Bulls.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Whaaa? The plot thickens...

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    In reply to joeacook3:

    IG-GY! IG-GY!

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    He also made a good point about Asik...He mentioned there are multiple teams bidding for Thabeet...imagine the value of Asik. If Thabeet is a studio apartment in Manhattan, Asik is a 10-bedroom house in Manhattan.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    why do u criticize the beet ? he's exactly as bad as Asik. They're both d-league players. If i have to choose, i would even pick thabeet over Asik.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    both only know to get fouls and turnovers !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Whatever SG Bulls acquire, whether today or in the off season, he must be a very good defender! Korver is just horrible on defense, he can

  • In reply to Edward:

    maybe they can push for a rule change where teams can sub in players after baskets

  • In reply to Edward:

    I say trade him, I'm sure they wont now but in the near future cause Boozer's defense is not going to get any better with his age.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    trade boozer for who ?? we need an inside scoring even if he doesnt defend well !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    in 2 years he'l be unmovable, I say cut your losses as soon as possible

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    AGREED...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Wow, I thought that it would take at least until we lost in the playoffs(first, or second round) before the trade Boozer stuff started.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Zach Randolf is a free agent if Memphis does not offer him a new deal. If they do the Bulls will be stuck with Boozer and his no defensive presence, good luck with that.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    randolf doesnt play defense either, whats te difrence there?

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Oh well, I guess the Bulls will be stuck either way you look at it then.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And Miami is stuck with Chris Bosh, the Lakers are stuck with Pao Gasol, the T-Wolves are stuck with Kevin Love...

    Must be awful to get stuck with a PF who's not a good defender. Welcome to the NBA, Reese. Find a PF who contributes as much on offense as Boozer and plays good defense.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Milsap, Lamarcus just to name 2. Both play very good defense.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I wanted Amare....but we didnt even look at him.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Not saying he is a good defender or nething....but he probably better then Booz

  • In reply to Csharp:

    definitely better

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    LOL! Exactly. Moreover, Randolph is a ball movement killer. He's a black hole inside. Once he gets it, he's going to put it up. Boozer scores just as much but can also pass.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    exactly

  • In reply to Reese1:

    zach randolph isn't better in defense at all. he is also criticized ! he is one the reason memphis is one the worst defensive team in the league.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Bulls send Deng, Asik, and Korver maybe picks to ATL for Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford... Crawford plays both guard slots, Smith can play natural SF spot... Makes sense to both...

  • In reply to RC360:

    Terrible trade for the Bulls. Smith will absolutely destroy the little spacing the Bulls can create with Deng. We've already seen what Crawford can do, he's a chucker and plays 0 defense.

  • In reply to Dileg:

    Smith is averaging the same 3pt % as Deng... And he's an all league defender... As far as Crawford, he's averaging 3.4 assists a game, which isn't bad while playing primarily the 2 guard, and shooting good from all over the floor... Crawford combed off the books after this year, and Smith makes Boozer expendable in the off-season, his defense is atrocious...

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I agree Deewaves! This Bulls team is already the top defensive team in the league. What they need is a guy who can give them some easy buckets. All this griping about Boozer's defense is ridiculous. He's not a great defender, nobody ever said he was -- but it's just scapegoating when fans blame one player for a poor team defensive effort. And besides, this team needs offense too.

  • In reply to walrus:

    +1. he is a bad defender that's why we combine him with an excellent defender(Noah). boozer is too a good scorer to bench him or trade him becuz of his D !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I fully understand why Utah let him walk. Bulls need to look for a replacement in the near future.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Yeah...Utah's doing great now.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Yeah, Milsap stepped in really well didn't he???

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It's not about Utah but the position that Milsap took over which was Boozer's.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    He's not a good defender either...and he scores and rebounds significantly less than Boozer.

  • In reply to walrus:

    OK...

  • In reply to walrus:

    1HR. 1/2 left... can the Bulls get any deals done???

  • In reply to Reese1:

    That coincides with the time when I will actually get something done at work today. Not very productive due to all of the trade talk!

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    +100

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    +101 LOL

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    My darkhorse is Sam Young. I think the Grizz need to unload him w/ Battier coming.

    Outside of SY, the pickings at SG are pretty darn slim.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yeah very slim Happy. Memphis is trying to make a playoff run and not trying to give up any of their young players right now. Young would be a nice steal but I just don't see Memphis letting any of their perimeter players go. Probably not until the off season.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    He's a potential 15 pts, 5 rbs., and 2 stls. guy w/ the Bulls at SG.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Agreed but Memphis think they have a chance to make the playoffs and are trying to keep their good scorers.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    True, but they are trying to add Battier.

    SG/SF:

    - Rudy Gay
    - OJ Mayo
    - Tony Allen
    - Xavier Henry
    - Shane Battier
    - Sam Young

    * Sam Young looks available to me.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    everybody u want if available in ur eyes

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    This just in Bucher just reported that Mappy thinks that D Wade is going to the Bulls and Melo is following him and the Bulls turned down a Bogans for Lebron deal.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    LOL Mayo for McRoberts and a 1st... Bulls couldn't get that trade done.. what a joke... DAMN YOU GARPAX!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    BULLS GOT A SG (REPORTEDLY):

    http://twitter.com/ESPNinsider_/status/40861426339938304

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    And all it took was McRoberts and 1st round pick to get Mayo....FUCK THE BULLS

  • In reply to calle3:

    WOW!!! Yeah that's very foul and suspect on GarPax part. Do they know what they are doing???

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'm done with this team...everyone in this East is improving except for us

  • In reply to calle3:

    Really? You want to go be a Pacers fan?

  • In reply to calle3:

    OMG mayo is a pacer for mcroberts an a draft pick! how the heck didnt we get him!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Bulls didn't want to give up Asik even tho they barely use him.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    unbelievable....

  • In reply to Reese1:

    McRoberts has been vastly more productive than Asik, and the Indiana pick might be a lotto pick which is considerably more valuable than our picks (even combined).

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I think Memphis wanted Taj....not omer

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Sigh Bulls blew it AGAIN...why the fuck are they overvaluing Taj and Asik while are sg of the future was getting traded for Josh McRoberts??

  • In reply to calle3:

    Eh, O.J. Mayo's been busted for drugs by the league 5 times (you aren't in the drug program publicly until your 5th time busted), and groused about not being the man in memphis. Maybe the Bulls simply didn't think he would fit in very well.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    and he's gotten in 3-4 fights with teammates. The guy is a cancer

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    ok Mayo is a cancer, jr smith is cancer, anthony is cancer. all these guys hae bad attitude. ur very right.

    I hope your great chemestry with bogans and thomas as locker-room leaders will make win championship !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    great chemistry does win championships

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I missed the memo, but those guys(potential scumbags) have exactly how many rings of any kind.

  • In reply to calle3:

    its ok guys...dont worry....the Bulls will win the championship this year....Rose just has to shoot the ball every single time down the court.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    lmao. Rose is so good that he can'T beat heat and celtics by himself. Garpax considers he doesn't need helps. Jackass of management, fuck reinsdorf !!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    it's lottery protected and they're gonna improve with OJ Mayo

  • In reply to calle3:

    It would be interesting to know if the Bulls simply didn't want Mayo or if the Pacers just preferred the Indiana offer.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Is McRoberts better than Taj? We couldve added 2 1st round picks and the CHA pick and they choose Indy over us? Bulls are stupid if they didn't want Mayo

  • In reply to calle3:

    While I like Taj, I would say that McRoberts is better than Taj as he can actually hit a shot, make a dunk and in general score. Probablly less of a defender than Taj, but more of a starter than Taj, who is simply not one.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Whos this unknown SG that we are supposedly getting? Like i said, its probably one of those loser D Leaguers.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    it'S bogans little brother ! lol

  • In reply to Csharp:

    NY and ATL will kick our ass in playoffs easily !!!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    No Im sorry but no they wont

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    they could !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Wow ... what a bunch of reactionary people we have here.
    So many whiny pansies.

    Don't get me wrong, it would have been nice to make one or two minor moves ... if we could find something that would really benefit the team.

    But this team is ahead of schedule. Did you all just assume that we'd be going from a #8 seed to NBA champions overnight?

    We have a solid team that's sitting comfortably in the #3 spot.
    We have an MVP candidate.
    We played our first game with a fully healthy squad last night.

    Did San Antonio make a move? The Lakers? The Mavs? The Magic? The Heat?

    Relax for heavens sake.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    do u think this team can win a championship this season ? if u do that mean u're stupid (just a fan who think life is a dream).
    if u don't, why aren't u upset ??

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Grow up Deewaves.
    Seriously ... grow up.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    They could if Michael and Scottie circa 1996 returned, which is as likely as most of the shit that you and a few others have been peddling.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    OKC has Sef a defensive specialist that we didn't want.
    We do have a few guys off the bench that are much better served starting next to Rose (CJ, Korver, Brewer) that would put up bigger #s with all the attention that Rose draws.
    I don't know why we can't start Korver?
    He sure would open up the floor for Rose and demand coverage and hopefully not have to run, spin, and shot those crazy HORSE type shots to get his points like he does off the bench.
    I know starting quality SGs would guard Korver good but he would still put up better #s next to Rose then CJ no question.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    -Melo is a bad defender, he dont behave well
    -Smith is a cancer
    -Mayo is also a cancer with drugs issues
    -anthony parker isn't better than bogans and don't worth a simple 2nd draft pick
    -ellis is a bad defender
    -gallainri is too slow

    why would i destroy my chemistry for those guy ?? let's count on deng, noah, asik ann bogans !!

    this is what most of bulls fans has told me!! i hope they're right !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Would that be that Atlanta team that set the world record for the largest average margin of defeat in a playoff series just last year.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    So did they add a DLeague SG... WHY? who gives a crap about the DL? Gar/pax seem pretty content with not contending for a title this year. That really pisses me off. If it was anyone in the league we would have heard about it by now. Its a DL guy...BS

  • In reply to calle3:

    FUck!!! Murphy bought out heaDed to heat!!!

  • In reply to calle3:

    FUck!!! Murphy bought out heaDed to heat!!!

  • In reply to calle3:

    And people wonder "WHY" some of us Bulls fans criticize this team and the front office the way that we do if this deal of Mayo to the Pacers is indeed true.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    OK... no deal of Mayo to Pacers but still it's very suspect on GARPAX to not get this deal done.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    espn just said its a deal

  • In reply to Reese1:

    courtney lee to chicago or anthony parker to chicago according to david alridge

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    Kind of what we expected all along. Have a feeling it's Parker, though I'd obviously prefer Lee. Guess is that Bulls didn't budge on Asik and settled on Parker for Miami pick.

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    heard that story lol im hoping your right though

    I heard a deal that was ....

    Bulls get- Courtney Lee/Hasheem Thabeet

    Houston gets- Omer Asik and multiple draft picks

    Memphis gets- Shane Battier and others.

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    lets get mayo this offseason before draft if it ends up being parker. cause hes not a long term solution where courtney lee could be

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    If it is Parker, he's a short term guy and I'm pretty certain we'll be looking for a new SG this offseason -- can't see Indiana trading us Mayo, though.

  • In reply to walrus:

    NBA TV said something about grizz backing out of deal last minute and espn said the deal might not have been put in by the deadline. so pacers may not end up with mayo

  • In reply to Reese1:

    i hope bosh breaks asik legs tonights game .......asik and gar/pax could fuck eachother now ...........

  • In reply to Reese1:

    i guess memphis is pulling out of mayo trade, nba tV

  • In reply to Reese1:

    +1. bulls management is full of dumb and lazies !! they only know to overrate players

  • In reply to calle3:

    The bulls are going to really be sorry come playoff time. This wasnt a good day for the bulls. they couldve landed mayo ith those two firts and asik. They literally have no SG. Every team in the east now has a quality sg except us. Its beyond stupid for them not to have made a move. Derrick cant do it alone every nigjt. You cant depend on deng because some nights he just dosent have it. They neede someone to come in and.hwlp.the offense. This is bs

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Jerry is working on the White Sox right now...or should i say all the time....an gar/pax are smelling eachothers hands

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    don't spoil these idiot's disillusions Doug. They still think we turned down KG, Hobe, Gaso, & Melo

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Funny to see so many so called Bulls fans wetting themselves. Every one jerking themselves off over OJ Mayo yet his team clearly doenst want him and nobody but IND seemed to make the right offer. That oughta tell you something (except you all think you're smarter that professionals who are paid to do this, what a joke, FAX in your biggest W2 and we'll see how much your opinions are worth) Do us a favor and when the Bulls are making their playoff run kindly shut the hell up you bunch of whining ninnies

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    are you Gar Forman or John paxson? lol

  • In reply to Csharp:

    LMAO!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    a trade can still happen several hours after the deadline. The Bulls just have to notify the NBA that they are working on something. But even if they stand pat, its not that bad. They have already shown to be a contender. Its not just about this year, but the future as well. The Bulls are going to continue to look at deals, but you don't make a deal just to make one. And it takes 2 to make a deal. Obviously the Bulls were trying, but they are not going to lose value in any deal, they are not deep enough.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I didn't know a trade can still happen. You think Houston would send us Thabeet/Lee for Asik/Picks?

  • In reply to Vedo:

    its not a strict cutoff

    The bulls just needed to have told the NBA office by 3 that they were still working out the specifics of a deal for C Lee for example.

    You still might see some up until 5pm

  • In reply to Csharp:

    he is his girlfriend. lol

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Questions for Chiry and Micthell Wiggins :

    why are u defending GarPax ?
    are u happy with fact they didn't make any trade while they did have pieces to trade ?
    do u seriously think the roster can win the champoinship this year ?

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I think it's hilarious that you think all we had to do was trade a pick and either Taj or Asik for an average SG ... and all of a sudden we would be a championship team.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    Everybody take a deep breath. Settle down. We're all going to be okay.

    I cannot believe all the fury over the Bulls not getting OJ freaking Mayo. Am I missing something here? Mayo is a high volume scorer who needs the ball in his hands, plays marginal defense and does not look like a good fit in the backcourt with Derrick Rose. Yes, he's a fine young talent and good scorer but he's also a 12ppg guy with who doesn't really do anything else very well if he doesn't have the ball in his hands.

    He also had character flags. He has had issues with his teammates (fight with Tony Allen), and tested positive for PEDS this alone. GarPax warned all of us about not wanting to mess with the chemistry of the team. Why are you all shocked by this? And I for one am ok without Mayo.

    Bulls are being patient here and are going to wait for the handful of players who will get bought out and see if there is a potential fit there. Even if there is not, I think the Bulls have enough to compete this year.

    Bulls also are being patient and cautious about the offseason and the new CBA. IF the new CBA forces teams into a hard cap and teams have to release players to get under the cap, the Bulls would be one of the few contenders who would have money to offer.

    Nobody in the East who was contending really got better except for the Knicks and maybe the Hawks with Hinrich. Still the Knicks had to gut their team to get Anthony. Celtics may have gotten worse after the Perksins deal. Heat did nothing. Magic did nothing. Even in the West, the only team that improved was the Thunder and we wouldn't see them till the Finals anyways.

    So settle down people!

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    Thanks! I need that.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    Thank, you for being one of the few people on this blog who isn't insane.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    Well, the Bulls(Gar/Pax) said they weren't going to trade any of their bigs. And Everyone reported Houston and Memphis wanted bigs. Shock, no deal was done.

    My only reaction is tht Omer Asik has a history of being injury prone with his knee and collar bone/arm fracture. And does anyone think Thibs will really use him much in this year's playoffs? Where other teams would say "Great, the guy we drafted with second round picks has looked good enough to now get us a quality player at a position of need, lets cash in."

    Instead, the Bulls hold on. Now if Lee and Mayo are not guys the Bulls like character wise then fine. But otherwise you have to convert what amounts to a no offensive skill decent defender/rebounder back-up center for a quality SG, the position you need. People think you can't find a decent big who can defend?

    I don't know maybe Omer will prove me wrong. He sure has improved on his free throw shooting isn't he up in the 60's now or still 50's? If he can get to upper 60's from the 39% he was at that's huge.

    The upside is that we know the guys we have are team oriented, character guys. And with Joakim do form an impressive offensive bullwark. Maybe Taj can start and play defense, and Boozer can just sub in for offensive bursts when we need them? Kidding.

    Anyway worse things could have happened I guess. I just wish we could have gotten one mroe three point bomber off the bench for the playoffs in Parker. But maybe the Bulls have enough three shooting guards with C.J., Korver, and Bogans(and Derrick). Who knows. I think this Miami game tonight if Joakim can get his legs under him might tell us a lot. Though he looks like he's going tot ake a week or two to get back fully as he got torched defensively last night.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    +1. This team will never win a championship unless they get rid of GarPax !!

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211426/Pacers_Just_Miss_Acquiring_Mayo_From_Grizzlies

    heres a link to the grizz story about backing out

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    I am so pissed right now...the only thing that will get me to watch this team again is if they get Dwight Howard lol I'm offically done with the Bulls...won't be bloggin on here anymore

  • In reply to calle3:

    wow, bad fair weather fan. we are still good and have a chance to make a run at the title. thats not enough?

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    Its an instant gratification world these days my man. Everyone wants everything, and they want it now.

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    they have no chance of winning the title this year....so not good enough for me when then they had plenty of chances to improve but blew it

  • In reply to calle3:

    Omer Asik is the next Kareem Abdul Jabar.

    And Taj Gibson is the next Karl Malone.

    Sincerely,

    GarPax

  • In reply to Vedo:

    and Mayo is the next Michael, lee is the next Kobe, and Aflalo is Oscar.

  • In reply to calle3:

    great news on both accounts

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    and I love how winning a championship isn't even a scenario to keep you as a "fan", BSamps is right on, fair weather

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Didn't do my homework and missed my 1st class for this shit...

  • In reply to calle3:

    why would you do that? For the playoffs I can understand. The deadline? Shows where your priorities are.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    and I'm not talking about the school work

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    We are just in the beginning of our window to contend for a championship. No one thought this was our year. It's not that big of a deal to handcuff ourselves in the future to get someone like Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo. We can get these guys or quality players like them in the off season without giving anything up. You think Mayo is going to sign an extension in Indiana?

    What if we traded Taj for Mayo and we couldn't use him next year in a trade for Howard? Everyone needs to chill out.

    I may be the only one, but I'm fully confident in our management.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Bulls had talks with the bobcats regarding SG Jackson during the trade deadline.Talks ended up dead because they didnt have intriguing picks

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Bibby and Murphy most likely going to get bought out and signing with the Heat just great

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    doesn't matter got an A right now haha

  • In reply to calle3:

    I was talking about winning vs making a trade, not that they are exclusive, but...

    congrats on the A though

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I would rather stand pat than what the hell boston did wtf! I could see maybe the OKC trade but what the hell erdin for a 2013 pick

  • In reply to calle3:

    I thought you were a heat fan now anyways

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I am...doesn't mean i can't be fans of both teams

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    What do they pay the coach to do? Isn't he supposed to MANAGE the players he is given? Isn't that what makes a good coch? Example of coaches with so-called "problem" or "egotistical" players: Phil Jackson, Chuck Daly, Pat Riley. They succeeded because they managed their teams, or "coached" them to success. They MOTIVATED them play together. Aren't we saying this about Thibs? Mayo could have been a success story in Chicago, if GarPax really belived in their coach. Or maybe they are just afraid of doing what it takes to succeed. I for one, applaud that they took a chance on TT for Aldridge; nobody new how it would turn out. I was sick of the Hinrichs, Dengs, Gordon type deals for character and not for potential. Just my opinion, but the NBA GM job is all about taking chances on the unknown, and adding a LITTLE BIT of good coaching, development, and scouting input.

  • In reply to fanbeforejordan:

    That's a pretty naive view

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Why do u say that?

  • In reply to fanbeforejordan:

    If you are managing your company, and they had a choice of hiring a productive, hardworking employee or a talented underachiever with the history of using drugs. A coaches main job is to run a team effectively and the more babysitting they have to do, the less time they have putting a good product on the court. Ask Jerry Sloan...

  • In reply to fanbeforejordan:

    Who will say again that GarPax aren't the worst GM of basket-ball ?
    who will say again bulls don't overated and overvalue their players !!

    I really hope theses things will make them win the championship :

    -their "great chemistry",
    -their "great savior"(noah who can be dealt for Melo),
    -the best center in the nba(asik) and
    -the most consistent SF who shoot 3pt and defends better than Melo.
    -the improving bogans will make them win the championship !!
    -the shooting who can't shoot(bogans)

    FUCK GARPAX !!!! they have just wasted one season again !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    It's called not shitting the bed and panicking. Look at Orlando. Look what happened to Cleveland w/ Lebron. Let's just blow the team up. Rose is going to LA. SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Calm down guys the Bulls have this trade in Mind...Plus 3 1st lol

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4sfrsvv

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Next year that is

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Now there is a dream team, D Howard and D Rose! You would have to include Noah in such a trade which to me is a no brainer. For Bulls, D Howard is a much better fit than Carmelo. Bulls will not get a ring until they land another legitimate star who can rise under pressure. Boozer ain't it.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    Maybe Rose can use the Buddy system to keep Howard from his destiny, playing for LA.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Orlando isn't trading Howard until the last second and they have an ICBM pointed at their heads, but that is what Bulls fans will now fantasize about for the next couple of years. Can't wait for that.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    lol

  • In reply to fanbeforejordan:

    Wow what is up with Boston trading away Perkins and Robinson for Green and Krystic?

    Then:

    The Cavaliers completed one more deal before the 3 p.m. trade deadline, acquiring center Semih Erden and forward Luke Harangody from Boston in exchange for a 2013 second-round draft pick, according to a league source. ???

    I like Asik too but Erden played good in the little I saw of him.
    If Erden could be had so easy why didn't we budge on trading Asik for a starting quality SG????

  • In reply to smiley:

    Not sure what Boston is doing. I thought Perkins was a key defensive piece in the middle. Perhaps they thought they'd lose him anyway. Nice move for OKC though. That team just got better.

  • In reply to smiley:

    Landry Fields selected by the Knicks in 2nd round, 39th overall. I am certain Bulls would die to have him at SG position... at least there is hope, if they scout well, you can land a quality SG even with late 1st round picks. I am glad we did not lose Gibson or Asik, just for slight upgrade at SG position. IMO, none of the SG's mentioned for today's deadline would have made Bulls a championship caliber. We cannot expect the Bulls to win this year although elimination in 1st round would be a failure. They do need to become a legitimate contender (like today's Celtics, Lakers) within two years.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    I for one would love to get Fields, but the Knicks don't seem to want to give him up, would they do it for Taj or even Asik, hmmmmmm. how about all our firsts for the next decade.

  • In reply to smiley:

    perfect example of why making a trade is not always good

  • In reply to fanbeforejordan:

    becuase people's true colors will always come out, under stress or in time, they will always come out, and an NBA coach is not paid to be a mentor, or a shrink, or a yoga instructor

  • In reply to calle3:

    Your "insightful" comments will be missed.

  • In reply to calle3:

    OOPS...No Mayo deal afterall.

    http://twitter.com/MikeWellsNBA/status/40877100726493184

    That's what happens when people rush to report things.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    In Nelson from the Simpson's voice:

    "HAHA!"

    Did they get the time zone wrong because I isn't Indy and Memphis in the EST anyways? So much for waiting for the last second! :-)
    That sure makes us Bulls fans happier that Indy didn't get Mayo with their fries for a McFlurry! :-)

  • In reply to calle3:

    This is going to be a long post. So get ready. The bulls should dont have the firepower to compete with Miami or Boston come playoff time. Thats even with Boston trading perkins. The bulls dont have a SG. They dont... IF you look up and down the Eastern conf from top to bottom every team has a SG that can score.
    Boston-Allen
    MIA-Wade
    CHI-X
    Orlando-Richardson
    ATL-Johnson
    NYK-Fields 10.00pg
    SIXERS-IGGY
    Pacers-Granger.

    See the problem here. Who really cares about 6-8 and those teams dont have a MVP candidate like we do in derrick. But we cant ride derrick down. He needs someone that can space the floor, credit to deng who has really improved on his 3 point shooting but how many more minutes a game can he play. He needs a spell, brewer cant create his own shot and obviously bogans cant. Why not get a guy that can score and play D. I know there werent a TON of options out there but if you can get lee or as we see INDY almost got MAYO for chicken scratch. Then you pull the deal. If you can upgrade your team you do it. Its that simple. Everyone makes a big deal that bogans is knocking down 48% of his threes since Jan1.. HE ONLY TAKES TWO A GAME. Hell even I can Hit one of two wide the heck open. We'll rant about this for another couple days or so but we'll forget, but come may we'll remember this day. Trust me

  • In reply to StephanH:

    I see that you are from the Mappy school of thought, if the facts don't fit your hypothesis, just ignor them, or make them up.

    Iggy and Granger are small forwards not shooting guards, where we still have that Deng guy and his pesky little contract.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    Would that be the same sort of playoff run the Bears just made, or that the Cubs or Sox typically do when they do manage to make it?

    This is the third largest market in the US. Expectations should be higher than just making it to the 2nd round on a consistent basis. For f--k sake, they have higher expectations of their team in San An-f--king-tonio.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    finally someone sane

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    -100

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    According to Nick Friedell, the Bulls didn't make a deal at all and will now wait to see who gets bought out.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Correct and McRoberts is a power forward(asik is not)to replace Randolph who Memphis cannot afford to keep. and they have a center they want to keep and pay, Gasol.

    Besides those minor details, the Bulls are fucking idiots for not getting this done.

    and did I mention that Memphis didn't want what we were offering, and likely made no couner proposal.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It's been reported,,,Hold off on J-Mac to Memphis deal. Word is the two teams may have missed the 3 p.m. deadline.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Hi guys.. my 1st post... BULLS FRONT OFFICE ARE ALL WIMPS!!!

  • In reply to fanbeforejordan:

    great first post!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    VERY WELL PUT...

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Fuck Gar/Pax and Jerry. This team will be a first round exit. Rose will want to leave Chicago once it's all said and done. He has no help here.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    I don't know about first round exit, but I can't see the team winning a title as constituted. It would take some minor miracles to get them to the ECF at this point.

    However, to the point about Rose, doesn't he live out in LA during the off-season? I don't know, depending on what happens with the CBA, the Clippers may look a lot more attractive than the Bulls in a couple of years. GarPax better hope there is a franchise tag!

  • In reply to saigman:

    minor miracles, or to just keep playing the way they've been playing for the last 2.5 months

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    They struggled against any team that had athletic wings during that same 2.5 month period.

    Boston, Miami, and Atlanta all have athletic wings. This is on top of the kryptonite Jameer Nelson seems to have for Derrick Rose, and the fact that NY just became a tougher out.

    When the inevitable 48 minutes of D-Rose double-teams occurs in the playoffs, I don't see anyone else able to bring the ball up the court (Noah is legitimately the Bulls' second best ball handler out of the starters), let alone score consistently.

    Last night the Bulls would have been blown out by the Raptors had it not been for Rose going 1-on-5 for the better part of the second half. That won't get it done in the playoffs. If it was a case of looking ahead to the Heat, I'm not too sure that speaks well of their future chances, either.

    As the third seed, if things broke down as expected, the Bulls would be bounced in the 2nd round.

    So yes, minor miracles (e.g.Wade or Garnett going down with bum wheels).

  • In reply to saigman:

    Per K.C

    The Rockets wanted Asik. We wouldn't do it so therefore no C.Lee.

    The Grizzlies wanted Taj. We wouldn't do it so therefore no Mayo.

    The Knicks offered us Corey Brewer but we were not interested.

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/02/bulls-stand-pat-at-deadline.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • In reply to Vedo:

    bulls are enough good, they don't need them my friend ! lool. they cound on Asik the garbage time player. he will stop KG and bosh !! he's so good !! lmao

  • In reply to Vedo:

    well if thats true then i dont feel as bad that we didnt get hosed here. but i still think we should have offered them 3 firsts and asik and dont know how they dont accept that if they accepted this low ball offer

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    +2 exactly

  • In reply to Vedo:

    yes fuck them !!

  • In reply to fanbeforejordan:

    At least we didn't wind up with Parker.

  • In reply to fanbeforejordan:

    agree. they are cowards !!

  • In reply to Reese1:

    they are simply stupid. !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I grasping for it, but it has something to do with pots, kettles and the color black.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Apparently no team with a decent SG wanted a bunch of low draft picks.
    It appears the Bulls tried.
    I understand the old adage that you don't trade down in size, but I would of thought someone might of wanted Korver.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    high picks

  • In reply to Waldock:

    I bet you anything the SG the Bulls added was one of those stupid D lEaguers we brought in!

  • In reply to Waldock:

    they didn't try !! they trust their chemestry !! Garpax are fool !

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Korver hasn't really played well this year, shot well since that is all that he does, we probably overpaid him a bit, and he would be suited for a contender looking for a shooter.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Thoroughly disappointed; especially in light of the Mayo deal to IND.

    On the plus side, I don't have to worry about trying to scrounge up tickets to the ECF or NBA Finals.

    Thanks for making sure I have some free time come June, GarPax!

  • In reply to calle3:

    Good, I've been telling you all along to pick another team. We don't need you, or want you. WTF is so great about OJ Mayo?

  • In reply to calle3:

    +100

  • In reply to calle3:

    We already have an unknown SG... Bogans. Oh wait we have an SG who doesn't know how to play. My Bad.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Mayo to Indiana.

    It's all over the net.

    http://twitter.com/ChrisVernonShow/status/40863301416136704

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Not reported by Y! or ESPN yet, so while it might be true, I have my doubts until one of them report it.

  • In reply to calle3:

    It takes 2 to tango, and Memphis is not always the most rational team, but they apparently need a power forward to replace Randolph when they let him walk this summer. McRobert is certainly better than Taj and Asik is not a 4 so what exactly do we have to give them, plus Indiana's 1st is better than ours if unprotected.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Whoever this supposedly SG is, I bet it's Brandon Rush. Especially with OJ Mayo headed to IND.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    MON,

    I'm hoping for Paul George or Sam Young to be honest.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    While george might be interesting, he would not help us win this year or probably next, and as usual he is a small forward not a shooting guard, a difference which you are apparently unable to discern.

    and what are we giving Indy for the next Scottie Pippen, is Olden Polynice available.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    fuck pax an gar let me catch them in the street ...and fuck amer asik i hate that animal

  • In reply to efren:

    fuck you

  • In reply to efren:

    im just glad pacers didnt end up getting mayo for squat

  • In reply to bsampso2:

    hell ya me too....i wouldnt give a 1st rounder for anthony parker though...i would just keep it til the summer before i do that

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    I guess if nothing happens, the Bulls are waiting for a buyout like Hamilton.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    no way in hell. is he playing all 48 minutes to put up those numbers. he'd play about 20-25 mins a game and put up maybe half those numbers. stop falling in love with these pud players

  • In reply to Reese1:

    they're too lazy. don't hope !!

  • In reply to walrus:

    i heard on espn that Ric Bucher said lee and thabeet to bulls,and houston get asik an picks and grizz get shane and houston 2nd round pick

  • In reply to efren:

    thabeet can start at center with noah at pf and then boozer can get traded

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Let's not get crazy.

  • In reply to efren:

    I'd be pretty happy with that.

  • In reply to efren:

    I'm not a big Thabeet fan but he would make losing Asik not seem so bad. Hopefully Bucher isn't making this one up too just to say it's not happening an hour from now.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    You'd have to hope Thibs can help make Thabeet a defensive presence inside. Forget offense...he'll never be an offensive guy. Thabeet's issue is that he doesn't seem all that interested in being a basketball player sometimes, he definitely has the athletic ability to be a force inside -- it's a question of how much he wants it. And if he does come to a veteran team like the Bulls, he's going to stick out like a sore thumb if he's dogging it in practice.

  • In reply to walrus:

    If I was Gar/Pax, I would definitely do this trade. Thabeet has always seemed very soft to me, so not my favorite young big in the league, but I'd still make this trade. I think you're right though, if anyone can make Thabeet play D and want to play D, it's Thibs.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Put Thabeet on a good team like ours an who knows! He could actually be quite solid. I actually think Omer is better then him right now but Thabeet is 7'3 an does the same things. Omer makes barely anything while Thabeet makes a good chunk being the 2 overall pick an all. So i could see why they would do it.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Agreed csharp. All things being equal, I prefer Asik over Thabeet easily -- but if you get Lee as part of the package then I think you have to take your chances and do the deal.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    One day after teammate Juwan Howard said Derrick Rose should win the NBA most valuable player award, Heat forward Chris Bosh also picked Rose over teammate LeBron James. "LeBron has won the last two," Bosh said. "He is my teammate. But Derrick has had a phenomenal season. Looking at their record and how improved they are as a team and how much improved he is as a player, I think it's close. But I think I would give it to Derrick if I were a voter. "He's playing like the best point guard and the best player in the league. He's the most valuable player. If you take him out of the lineup, there's no telling what you get."......... If other players from the Heat of all teams are endorsing Rose for MVP, the Bulls need to do all they can to get this guy a championship. They need to make a big move now or this off season to get Rose some perimeter help, he can't keep doing the majority of the scoring from the perimeter by himself.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'm still holding out possibly for Rip (if he gets bought out). Not the best fix, but a cheap, short term solution.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    even the federal government cannot afford to buy him out this year.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Big game of chicken

    KCJHoop Last I heard, Bulls aren't budging on big men. Offering draft picks and want to absorb salary into cap space.

  • In reply to efren:

    When did u hear that? Just recently?

  • In reply to efren:

    Houston must be VERY HIGH on Asik.

  • In reply to walrus:

    if boozer gives up as many points as he puts up, he doesnt deserve his star contract. And don't forget he is already 29, within 2 years he might start really sucking

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Don't worry he will suck, no might to that.

  • In reply to Edward:

    brads contract sucks I'm sure it was houston that suggested it

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Absolutely, I think Miller has 2 more years at about $5mil per. He

  • In reply to Edward:

    I think that's the reason the Bulls let go of Miller as he was too expensive. And it's not like he has been doing well in an offense he already was familiar with in Houston. One thing we know about Gar/Pax is they will not panic and dump assets...

  • In reply to Edward:

    I read somewhere after the Spurs game that in the last 4 wins the Bulls have over the elite teams, Thibs has played Boozer less than 33 minutes per game.
    I suspect that in the playoffs Boozer will start, get most of his minutes with the bench, and not play a lot in the 4th.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    that would qualify him as overpaid for his role

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    maybe not now but in a year or two, he definitely will be.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Or you can say he's played about 3/4 of the game in wins against elite teams. But perhaps the game was one entirely in those relatively few minutes where he's been on the bench? That doesn't seem logical to me.

    Listen, we know Boozer isn't a great defender but you should know better than these guys who scapegoat Boozer for every Bulls defensive lapse. Don't oversimplify it.

  • In reply to walrus:

    i think you fail to factor in that he will begin to decline soon, as well as the fact that he is not actually a dominant offensive player, he gets a ton of gimmes from rose and shoots a lot of mid range jumpers, he doesnt actually go inside to score that often, certainly not with his back to the basket. He doesnt draw double teams, thats what great offensive players do

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    He's not a dominant offensive player, but he's an efficient one -- and the Bulls really need that on an otherwise defensive dominant team.

    And yeah, he'll probably decline somewhat, we kind of knew that going in. But let's face it, you've even implied yourself that his game doesn't depend on athleticism. He's a skill player offensively, and those skills aren't likely to erode.

  • In reply to walrus:

    on the contrary, i think if boozer looses a step/lift and lower body strength he will get his shot blocked all the time cause he is too short.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    He doesn't have a lot of lift now, I don't see that as being much of an issue. He primarily depends on his bulk, well-developed post moves, and a good shooting mid-range shooting stroke. Hard to imagine that changing much over time. I do agree though that he'll have to be mindful of his lower body strength as he ages.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Everyone can see the Boozer lapses. Defend them if you want.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    dude.....i like that trade...ill take thabeet

  • In reply to Csharp:

    At this point Thabeet is closer to being a Giraffe than he is to being an NBA player.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    which might explain why Dee'lusional is so in love with him.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Thabett is definately not Manhattan, he is more Bed-Stuy or Newark.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Fucking Ric Bucher. Why would he say one thing on tv and then go on the radio and say something else?

  • In reply to Vedo:

    cuz hes a idiot....what the heck, dont give me jared Dudley.....please dont!

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    wtf.....maybe they taped that earlier this morning?

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    MON,

    Sam Young?

    Makes sense, especially if Battier goes to Memphis.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    And if Brewer's eFG% is an argument, it's not because he's on the floor with Deng or Korver pretty much at all times. Taking minutes from Brewer for Sam Young is just asinine. Putting them on the court together would be brutal.

    Young's not a bad player, but again, no place for him on the Bulls.

  • In reply to thefish7:

    Nice creative idea, but I don't think Philly is looking to trade Iggy anymore. They've been playing well lately and don't seem like they want to mess up the chemistry they have right now. Also, I personally don't think Iggy fits with Chicago. He's a great defender and facilitator on the break, but Chicago needs a guy who can hit the 3 consistently. I live in PA and was at the Sixers v. Bulls game in January and a few weeks ago was at the Sixers v. Spurs game...Iggy jacks up so many bad shots it's not even funny. In my opinion, Iggy is a slightly better version of Ronnie Brewer and I think you lose too much in order to get a slightly upgraded version of Brewer who still can't consistently hit a 3. Just my opinion though.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Yeah the difference in opinion on my side comes from the fact that I think Igoudala while similar to Brewer is an enourmous upgrade at every one of Brewer's skills. He's a much better defender and slasher, and he's a better outside shooter than Brewer also... Though obviously not elite. I DO think Igoudala will look better next to Rose, Boozer, and Deng and shouldn't need to jack up as many shots. It can't be denied though that Iggy's tendency to jack up shots is troubling.

  • In reply to thefish7:

    TALENT EVALUATION:

    Sam Young is the guy I wanted the Bulls to draft, instead of James Johnson.

    How's that looking now?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    He isnt a SG and he only starts becuase the coach hates Mayo for some reason. Young wouldnt help us now. Hw would have been traded as well. So shut it.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Omer Asik Fan Speaks

    I'm a big Omer Asik fan, not quite sure why. But I like his ability to adapt and learn even in 1/2 of an NBA season. He is only going to get better, not great, but better.

    But Coach Thibodeau seemed unwilling to play him last night. It's a small sample, just one game.

    But if Coach Thibodeau plans on using Kurt Thomas over Omer Asik extensively the rest of the season, then I'm open to trading Omer for a significant SG upgrade like Courtney Lee. I just don't know if Courtney Lee is that good, maybe you guys do know.

    Last night's game was painful to watch. I think Luol Deng is having his best season yet. But I'd rather see a real SG being Rose's 1st or 2nd outlet option. Boozer doesn't come to the ball. He either gets the ball down low or catches and shoots from 10-15 feet. I've never seen him slash to the bucket.

    Basically, trade Omer Asik if you're not going to use him for a good SG that will contribute and make a difference.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Who's to say that Thibs uses the new sg? Thomas might not even be on the team next year. You don't give up a good young 7 footer just because the coach doesn't play him enough minutes in his rookie year.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    I am a fan of the Bulls and if I think long term, I would want Asik to be on the team. Not to be crazy, but I think if you see how so many centers are injury prone(Oden,Yao,Bynum, Kaman) or under-sized(Horford,Joel Anthony,Landry) or just soft on defense(Lopez) or just old(Ilguaskas,Camby etc..), I would put Asik as one of the top non-starting centers in the league.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    ok he is tall, but how much time noah gonna be injured ?? what if noah isnt injured in playoffs ? we'll have asik on the bench whereas we real need a SG to win the series !
    ok He is tall but that doesn't mean it's enough. U're tall but u can't defend without fooling and can't use ur size to score ( he can't score without dunking).

  • In reply to deewaves:

    And who's the backup center next year? Some Haseem Thabeet-like guy who accumulates more fouls and turnovers than points and rebounds? Because there are ton of backup centers in the NBA who can do that for you. And they'll all drive Thibs into cardiac arrest.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    there's still thomas, there are still talls in d-league. if not i will trade bogan for any 7 footer. U act like Asik is better than Thabeet : au contraire they are exactly the same kind of players !!! i would even take the beet over asik !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    No, Thabbet is awful and does absolutely nothing for a basketball team in the NBA. This is uncontroversial that Asik is much better. 17.6% TRR to 12% (12!), better post defense, smarter, better help defender, more athletic, smarter, better finisher, smarter.

    Not only is Asik better at everything I listed, but capable of all of those things, while Thabeet is capable of none of them.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    Like I said: "I don't think you understand the scarcity of an affordable, competent seven-footer."

    Asik isn't "any seven-footer." That's my point.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    ok bulls didn't trade him. be happy !! win the championship with ur thabeet !!

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    You could have stopped at understand.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Asik is a lot better that 'Beet, ask any GM

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I hate to say this, but I don't think anything will get done.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    just one game ?? Thibs is simply enough smart to know that he is a garbage time player no matters how tall he is ! I told u that 2weeks before Noah's injury, Thibs stopped to make him play.
    Yes he going to get better of course but could never be a reason not to have a player like Mayo if most of all u already have severals big man and that SG is your main weakness !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    excuse me, i didn't read the last half our ur post. I just realized that u agree with me. +100

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    it's no use adding a bunch of mediocre shooting guards, you can't combine them into one good player, you just have to split the minutes among them and you basically get 48 min of mediocre sg play

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Not a good reason to deal Asik, Thomas will not be with the Bulls next season, and Del Thibideau will eventually be forcded to open his eyes as well as his skull.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    i don't know what u find so much interessting in sam young !! i didn't even know him before u start talking about !

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If you were the bulls gm the team with be in the cellar. opposing gm's would laugh at your trade offers

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    :(

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Boston making big moves Perkins to OKC for Jeff green.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Looks like they are trying to match-up on Miami and give them match-up problems.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    terrible....they should of kept perkins

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Depends on who we leverage Miami's pick into, so don't wet your Depends yet.

  • In reply to thefish7:

    who gonna be rose back-up ?? Igoudala isn't a PG at all !

  • In reply to thefish7:

    I just don't see a deal getting done. Usually teams serious about getting something done don't refuse to send any wanted assets right off the bat. You have to give something to get something. If Gar/Pax have said to teams no Asik and/or Taj(no bigs) then I think other teams have said fine, you want a valuable/much needed SG, but you will give us nothing as far as players of value back then forget it. I'd really be shocked at this point if a deal for Mayo or Lee gets done. To little, to late. That doesn't mean Gar/Pax were wrong if they don't see the character in Mayo or Lee. But it's unrealistic to think you're going to give back no wanted players of value and take the other teams. It just doesn't work that way. Unless you're the Lakers.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I think Gar/Pax's thinking is they have capspace and picks which is more valuable with a lot of GMs and is more valuable with the new CBA. I think Lee, Asik are valuable because of their cost and Mayo is kind of a tweener in value(not play)because he has not proven on a contending team, needs a big raise soon but has lot of potential and has had some issues.

  • In reply to smiley:

    Every media "report" has stated that Houston(Courtney Lee) and Memphis(Mayo) want bigs back in Asik and Taj respectively, and not just picks.

    In a lot these of trades for name/producing players you see teams getting back name or prospect players as well, and not simply draft picks. Marcus Thornton for Carl Landry for example. Of course there are exceptions.

    Who would have thought at the beginning of the year that we would be holding up getting O.J. Mayo by refusing to part with Taj? And a promising young SG we desperately need in Courtney Lee for Omer Asik(if indeed it's true the Grizzlies want Taj and Houston wants Omer)? I understand keeping Joakim over Carmelo. And I understand that fairly athletic 7-footers like Omer with his defensive intincts on rotations and shot blocking with good rebdounding don't come along every day. And in the playoffs you need length down low both defensively and for scoring.

    I guess if you think the Bulls can make a deep run this year/ECF, then you ask does Omer give you a better chance to win as a backup to Noah who may or may not receive minutes behind Thomas as Thibs seems to highly gravitate towards vets(especially guys who have played with/for him like Bogans and Thomas). But do you think Omer would be more important to the Bulls future then Lee. And likewise Taj at 8-9ppg and 8-9 boards compared to Mayo who as the third pick in the draft put up 17ppg on .458 shooting with .383 on four 3-pt attempts per game. Obviously he's had his problems recently, and his numbers are down. Still, with his skill set, and his quality starting production last year I think you have to consider him whether he is more vital/valuable to the Bull's future going foward.

    As for Omer, honestly, I don't see him as having an offensive game other then an ocassional straight line dribble or spin to the basket especially in weak side break down situations. I have serious doubts he will ever be a starter due to lack of scoring and foul trouble issues/bigs, especially Euro-white guys who can't score just don't get respect/calls from refs. If you can list some players contrary to this/or disagree fine.

    I know that's a hell of a generalization, and if you disagree, and think Omer can be a viable 30 minutes per game player in the NBA then fine.

    I still think fidning a bench guy behind Noah who rebounds and has athleticism while not easy to find can be had. But a quality starting SG is much harder to find by a longshot.

    I can see holding on to Taj because he has offensive skills and along with Joakim has proven to be a lane shut down/shot blocking duo. Still both he and Noah in a playoff one on one against star setting are not good one on one defenders.

    So I can see it being tough to part with Taj. Really, it depends on what Gar/Pax think of Mayo's attitude. Is he really a problematic, immature person who can not be relied upon as a professional/team player who can execute/knows the secret(Bill Simmons) of sharing the ball? He has been a ball stopper at Memphis no doubt. If that's who he is, and not coaching/envirronment/cant be rectified then so be it. Don't trade Taj.

    And Gar/Pax have been a mixed bag in my view(as all GM's are) when it comes to judging character/ Look at Tyrus Thomas with such a high pick. And personally as I've said I think J.J. has maturity issues, and I'll be surprised if long term he makes it in the league. But Pax also saw the winning in Joakim Noah. And the losing in Beasley.

    So Gar/Pax decide. Is Mayo just a ball stopper/loser, or does he have it within him to be a part of a winning environment/team? If the answer yes that he can be a winner then I would trade him for Taj as much as I'd hate to do that. And Lee, maybe you can get somebody just as good this summer without giving up anything. If so again then fine. But to me Lee's upside still could be huge if you look at just how excedptional/rare his college humbers are even at a mid major.

    So in conclusion the long term future of the ball club is most important to me. If Mayo can be had for Taj and is seen as a solid character guy then do it. If not then pass. As for Lee if they see exceptional character again I probably do the trade with Asik. But that's just me.

    I suspect though the Bulls as K.C. suggests will do nothing. I just think they at least need another three shooter off the bench/Parker at minimum is needed for a playoff run or if not Bogan's and Kyle's cold nights which we know occur frequently are going to haunt the Bulls. Every winning team has that three point bomber off the bench. At minimum please get Parker.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Good post...RW...but I disagree with you on Asik. If you look around the league, there are more Taj like players(good defense, 6-9 PF type) than Asik like players(7+ tall, good awareness for defensive rotations) in terms of quality.

    Plus, if you heard from Pax...he mentioned they are not going to do anything to disrupt their long term plans. So, unless in their evaluation a SG like Lee is worth more than Asik, they will not do it even if it means losing this year.
    And OJ Mayo(I love to have him) is a very iffy guy in terms of not only fit but even on production for this team. They might be able to find his kind of production guy this off-season.
    I agree though, we need atleast somebody like Parker to just use if Deng, Korver are struggling from 3 pt line. That is the big issue with this team now because we are depending on Deng to be our 2nd or sometimes the best option on 3's..

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Good points Schaum. Right now if I knew Mayo was a mishandled guy, but did have the character I'd have to take him. But my suspicion is that very well may not be the case. As for Lee, I go a lot by college resume, and his is off the charts in my view albeit at a mid-major. There's just no real way for me to know about Mayo so I'll just have to rely on Gar/Pax's judgement. As for Lee for Asik it's a gamble based on his incredible college resume. If they think Lee could develop into a 15-16ppg quality starting SG with good character then you go for it in my view. Either way it looks like they are not going to give up Taj or Omer and if so no deal is getting done. But I'll be dissapointed if we don't at least get Parker as we do need another three shooter off the bench for a playoff run. Otherwise Bogans and Kyle's off nights will kill us.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    USC guys haven't exactly turned out to be West Pointers lately, or ever for that matter.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    or seend asik to houston for lee and send 2 first round picks for thabeet thats a nice deal

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    i though omer did not play yesterday. does that mean something?

  • In reply to Richy:

    it means thibs is enough clever to see that Asik is only a garbage time player

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    or mayo and thabeet for 2 first round picks and gibson

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    The trade to watch for right now as a Bulls fan would be the Grizzlies-Rockets trade. Looks like Battier is going to to the Grizz for Thabeet and a 1st rounder.

    If it goes down, then I think Rockets will be more likely to back off the Asik demand as return for Courtney Lee since Thabeet provides the big center they are looking for. If it happens, I think its going to be 2 first round picks for Lee.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    That would change the dynamics a bit. Agree about Asik becoming less imperative for Houston if they pick up a big man. It also makes you wonder if Memphis would be more open to making a deal as well. With Battier in tow, they could return either Tony Allen or Sam Young to the bench. That gives them 2 SGs off the bench and a third, Xavier Henry, who should be coming back from injury this season.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    Watching Espn ..... Rick Bukeard said sources say the bulls are for sure going to add a key piece for a playoff run

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    If the Bulls get Lee for two low firsts that works for me big time. But I doubt this late in the game anything's going to get done honestly. Especially getting Lee while giving up no tangible assets/players.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I think from what I have heard about the Rockets is they do not want more average players or even picks but want a impact player or a young player in a need position.

  • In reply to ripiceman:

    I agree iceman! Really opens the door for us to ship draft picks for Lee which would be best for us and getting the SG we need now and into the future. :-)

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Courtney Lee will not put us over the top...we need another perimeter scorer/creator to help Rose, not an athletic keith bogans. Seems like Memphis dont want/need Korver because they going for Battier. Asik or Taj and 2 1st round picks for Mayo

  • In reply to calle3:

    Personally, if Gar/Pax assess Mayo as being a professional/reliable/decent guy in the wrong environment(his coach seems to want him out) then I'd do Asik and two lower firsts for sure. As for Taj that would be a tougher call. If Boozer wasn't such a poor defender I'd say yes, but I don't know if you can lose a defensive glue guy like Taj while also having Booz.

    I seriously doubt this late in the game that anything gets done. If the Bulls were serious about getting a trade done they would have not refused to give back any players of value/either of their bigs. As for Asik at least I think they should have made the trade for Mayo or Lee. Now it doesn't even look like we're going to get the three shooter off the bench we need in Parker.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    +1. I wouldnt trade Gibson but Asik ??! refuse to trade Asik for somebody like mayo is simply madness.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    It really isn't madness. Marginal, maybe, but definitely not madness. I don't think you understand the scarcity of an affordable, competent seven-footer.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Mayo for Asik does not appear to be on the table, you do know that Mayo and Lee are not the same guy, right.

    your logic is driving everyone to madness, pretty soon someone might start agreeing with you.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Per Wojo, Bulls are interested in Jared Dudley of the Pheonix Suns...

  • In reply to rnohria310:

    What? Wow Jared Dudley is a dud. I hope this is wrong. If correct, say goodbye to Mayo and Lee.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    no no no .....no dudley please

  • In reply to Vedo:

    I expect the bulls to make some kind of useless 10th-11th man pickup. I'd consider Anthony Parker within this spectrum. would much rather see brewer out there.

  • In reply to rnohria310:

    i'll do this trade with my eyes closed :

    omer asik,ronnie brewer,watson plus pick to houston for kevin martin and one of their point guards!

  • In reply to rnohria310:

    i'd rather have bogans than jared !looooooool

  • In reply to deewaves:

    again, you are completely out of your mind. dudley while not the solution at shooting guard certainly mixes it up in a physical way that I like, kind of like Ronnie Brewer, but his offense is also suspect.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Great Post....When refs see a big euro white guy out there, they will call fouls on him left an right lol Especailly if you match a stud up against him. Omer will be killed by the refs.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Bargnani School of Acting

    Perhaps we can send Omer Asik to the Bargnani school of acting. I hated the guy last night. But would love to have him on our side.

    If opponents breathe heavily on Bargnani he gets a foul called and goes to the line. Noah gets the snot kicked out of him under the basket and the refs look away.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Actually, he is already getting better in this area.

    In a few years with his athleticism(for his size)he will be getting the benefit of the doubt from the refs.

    He is definately not a big white Euro stiff.

    I am curious to see who turns out to be better, Asik or Mozgov.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    CHI sends : Korver, 2 2011 picks (CHI + MIA)
    CHI gets : Dudley, Lee

    PHO sends : Dudley, Lopez
    PHO gets : Korver, 2 2011 picks (CHI + MIA), trade exception

    HOU sends : Lee, trade exception
    HOU gets : Lopez

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Is this what Ric Bucher is talking about or is this just an idea that you have? I'm stuck at work with no tv to watch espn and haven't seen anything about this online yet.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Ya im not sure either....i want to keep Korver an Lee

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I definitely like adding Lee if this is true. I also like Korver but he's pretty streaky and I don't think you lose anything by replacing him with Dudley so I'm fine that that if it helps to get Lee without losing Asik or Gibson. I think overall, this would be a great move for Chicago if it's true.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    It's just my idea, while adding 2 and 2... I'd love that trade though

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Is lee any better than brewer?? potentially better?

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Put it this way...would you like Brewer to be able to shoot over 40% from 3?

    Lee is as good a defender as Brewer. He's athletic, but he's also tough like Bogans -- and he can shoot the 3. How many times have we said how we wished we can combine all of our SGs into one player? Well, Lee comes pretty close.

  • In reply to walrus:

    i still dont think he is a starter, looks overrated to me

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    If anyone is overrated, it's Mayo. Lee is underrated by most fans.

  • In reply to walrus:

    and traded by every team that has him in less than one year.

  • In reply to walrus:

    I agree completely Mitch. Get a guy you can play at the beginnings of games, and the ends

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    It would have been nice to have Lee at the end of the game last night...but now it looks like it may not be Lee after all.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    I think Brewer is a slightly better defender and probably gets your more steals. Lee is a good defender and a good 3pt shooter. Shooting 43% on 3's this season. If I remember correctly, he started on the Orlando team that went to the finals a few years ago. He played solid for them as a rookie in the playoffs so I think he has potential.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    I'd agree. They are different though. Brewer is a monster athlete, Lee can't match him there-- but Lee is a pretty good athlete too and he's more physical than Brewer. In that sense, he plays a little like Bogans defensively -- which we know Thibs loves. Subtract a little athleticism and add some toughness and you've got Lee.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    No specifics mentioned. Only that the Bulls have been working on this since 9 and Bucher thinks it will get done.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    Yeah baby! I hope it's true.

  • In reply to OnePointSeven:

    i'm not sure suns want to loose Lopez for woth less round picks !!

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Just scrolling thru, when it took several minutes at warp speed to get past this post I knew it was RW without even seeing the avatar.

  • In reply to smiley:

    Considering the usage of a SG on the Bulls, Courtney Lee's a better fit. Mayo wouldn't have that 20+% Usage Rate here, so Lee's offensive efficiency outweighs Mayo's volume. Lee's defense makes him much better for the Bulls.

    Asik for Lee is reasonable, but I still don't like it. I'm apprehensive in big-for-small deal when the big isn't a some guy who's only asset is his height and the small isn't a the difference between the status quo and contending for a championship. Korver for Mayo goes back to the efficiency-volume problem where Korver's a better asset.

    If Mayo's

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    Asik for Lee is not reasonable, which is why the Bulls have dismissed it out of hand.

  • In reply to smiley:

    Considering the usage of a SG on the Bulls, Courtney Lee's a better fit. Mayo wouldn't have that 20+% Usage Rate here, so Lee's offensive efficiency outweighs Mayo's volume. Lee's defense makes him much better for the Bulls.

    Asik for Lee is reasonable, but I still don't like it. I'm apprehensive in big-for-small deal when the big isn't a some guy who's only asset is his height and the small isn't a the difference between the status quo and contending for a championship. Korver for Mayo goes back to the efficiency-volume problem where Korver's a better asset.

    If Mayo's

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    Agreed. That Lee is able to score at a lower usage rate is key. Mayo needs a lot of touches to be effective, and that's something that isn't necessarily available on this team. What's more, Lee has shown he can up the scoring when the team needs it, he's had two 20+ games this month and has 7 games where he's scored 16 or more. The Bulls current trio has 4 games of 16 or more points and 2 over 20pts -- all by Korver.

    On this team, I don't like to blame any one player for defense but watching DeRozan take over last night with Korver in the game, it would have been nice to have a player like Lee in who can both shoot AND defend. Korver gives great effort and is a decent team defender, but he was a bit overmatched last night when DeRozan took it to him. Lee could have handled him better defensively and still serve as a long range threat on the floor.

  • In reply to walrus:

    So J.A. if Lee is the better fit right now would you give up Omer for Lee? I think the Bulls have pretty much given the impression they are not giving up their bigs Taj/Omer. Houston wants Omer so basically there's no chance we get Lee because the Bulls wont part with him. I think a team that's going to get soemthing dynamic done like acquiring a quality SG is not going to let it come down to the wire like this. They will give up something to get something, and get the deal done. So my instincts are that no deal will get done. I haven't even heard anything on the Parker front I was hoping we'd at least get his three point shooting from the bench for the playoffs.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    RW...not sure how I would have answered this earlier, but now it seems like Lee isn't the guy after all.

    I think the ideal situation is that we give up one of the SGs and picks since there won't be room for a 4 man SG rotation. Right now, I'm really confused as to what the Bulls will wind up doing.

    As for Parker, I've heard the Celtics are moving in on him but Cleveland wants a first round pick.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I was for melo for noah and deng. Most u said that it wasn't a winning deal for bulls. OK noah is too valuable but Asik ?? please tell me what u find so great in Asik ? for me he is a player:

    -who only plays when someone in injured
    -who only plays in garbage time
    -who only plays in foul trouble situations
    -who can't defend without fools and can't score without dunking.
    for all those situations we've got Thomas

    Ok, he's a good rebounder and defender but that's it !!! but he can't do anything else. Why keep him if even without him we still have 4 big man rotation ? why keep him if he's always benched whereas we need a SG ? I told u that 2 weeks before noah's injury Thibs stopped to make him play. He isn't playing even in playoffs and thibs is right for that.

    Don't tell me that he is ireplaceable. If u have a 2nd round draft pick, u can have a player like Asik at anytime. He has nothing more than Aron gray or Chris richard. He is a kind of player which usaully ends up in d-league or cut.

    when u think it's becuz of him we're not having a starter-player caliber like Melo. It's awful !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    me too i wouldn't trade Gibson for Mayo but Asik i would do it without thinking !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Don't you pretty much do everything without thinking, I believe that is the essence of your being.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    CLEE UPDATE:

    I saw this out there.

    http://twitter.com/treykerby/status/40824439008534528

    Not sure if this guy is into RUMORS or REPORTING.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Hopefully hes right ^

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    SAM YOUNG...SAM YOUNG...SAM YOUNG...Woo-hooh!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'll be soooooo disappointed if it's Sam Young. I know you like him Happy, and he's played better, but he just isn't the right fit for this team.

  • In reply to walrus:

    John,

    Why not?

    He's a potential 15 pts., 5 rbs. and 2 stls. a game guy.

    If the Grizz trade for Battier, the Bulls should step-up and get him.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Happy, his raw numbers may be potentially adequate. He can play a certain kind of role offensively for some teams. However, he's not the kind of threat from the arc that the Bulls need for an offensive role player. He doesn't give us enough variety on offense and he doesn't add to what we already have on defense.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'd rather have your boy from Purdue, Moore is it? They can grab him if they hold onto the 2nd rounder.

  • In reply to walrus:

    New starting line-up for Bulls Thibs should try:

    PG: Rose
    SG: Deng
    SF: Gibson
    PF: Boozer
    C: Noah

    We got plenty of backup SG's. Thomas can back up Boozer at PF, and Asik backs up Noah at Center.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    that would be one of the slowest lineups in the league

  • In reply to igotpar:

    Gibson won't be able to stay in front of small forwards consistently. From a perimeter shooting standpoint with that lineup we're worse off than having Bogans out there.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    I'll be slightly disappointed if the Bulls don't make a move today, but not devastated by any means. This team has the tools to be an Eastern Conference contender if they continue on the pace they've been and even improve with Noah and Booz both healthy. We are flawed, but so is Miami. Boston is aging, and may face injury problems at some point.. and even if they stay healthy, the Bulls could eliminate them (that's a hard one to pick, but I'd honestly lean Boston in a series).

    Bucher still says the Bulls are going to add a 'mystery' SG.. hmmm.

  • In reply to jmwebb:

    My thoughts, precisely. Although Miami and Boston healthy have more talent than the Bulls do.

    The Bulls are at least one year away, assuming Miami doesn't improve their team faster than we do.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    Into the last hour.
    Everyone playing chicken have to make their move.
    Awfully quiet.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    Wish we could grab Thornton somehow.. even though he was just dealt.

  • In reply to jmwebb:

    Not sure why Hornets are so intent of getting rid of him, at least the way he looked against us. But they got Landry for him, who is sort of like Taj, but likely more highly regarded in the league, so we probably didn't have the right assets to make it work.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    Woj...Cavs are down to wire for Anthony Parker, Boston still in mix

  • In reply to igotpar:

    no way taj can play/start at the 3

  • In reply to igotpar:

    MEMPHIS:

    As expected, Memphis added Battier.

    http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/40863205949444096

    * They have an abundance of Wing players now. The Bulls should look there.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    How about,

    Deng at point
    Taj at 2
    Boozer at 3
    Noah at PF
    Asik at center, better yet Rose

    That way everyone would be playing out of their natural position, creating matchup problems accross the board.

    Don Nelson would love it, except there are too many tall guys on floor.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    "It's unclear which team tried to expand CLee talks, but one variation became Asik/Bogans for Brad Miller/C Lee. Bulls want to keep Asik." - K.C. Johnson

    I would love to see Brad Miller back! That trade would be a steal.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Per Woj.....Teams calling Houston on Courtney Lee keep getting same message: No big in deal, no trade. Will Bulls cave and give Omer Asik? So far, no.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    INTERESTING.....Big Brad huh...doesnt he have a decent size contract?

  • In reply to Csharp:

    He's guaranteed at about 4.7M next year.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    I'm sure one of those other teams is Boston, Thibs and Doc Rivers seem to share the same minds by going after the same players.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Didn't we already give them Brad Miller.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    +1, that's a steal

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Toronto's bench really torched us last night!
    I always liked Jarryd Bayless how about him to the Bulls for a pick of ours?
    I would have rather seen him coming to us in the JJ trade since JJ played 26.5 minutes last night and started and looked good!

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    In reply to MrHappy:

    Would you guys do Asik + Brewer + Watson + 2 firsts for Iguodala?

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    who is going to be the a bacu up PG ??

  • In reply to deewaves:

    morevoer iddy doesn't shoot the 3pt well !!

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    Iggy plays the same position as Deng and makes more than him, neither can play shooting guard(well)

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Interesting find, Happy. Wonder if this guy has any credibility though. We'll find out, I guess.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Though I think the Bulls would have too much respect for Bogans to banish him to the T-Wolves.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I don't know much about Bayless just that he was in the basketball movie with Reke, Jennings, Love, etc as young studs playing in NY at the famous outdoor b-ball court before they got drafted. :-)
    Barbosa still has a motor off the bench, not the player he was in Phoenix but still makes a impact off the bench!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    flynn for bogans ! do u really think wolves are that stupid !

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Did Dee'lusional just get hired as the GM of the Wolves.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Chris Richard, wow! Your basketball knowledge is frighteningly bad. I don't remember Chris Richard doing anything but missing point blank layups. Asik is a fast learner with great upside. We just need to be patient and get a 2 guard for picks in the off season

  • In reply to mikeb31588:

    asik is as slow as my grandma !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Wow, if your grandma runs like Asik, she would probably make an excellent WNBA player.

  • In reply to mikeb31588:

    i'll tell her to apply ! lol

  • In reply to deewaves:

    tell her to jump in a time machine & have an abortion. Just kidding, that wasn mean :(

  • In reply to mikeb31588:

    How soon do you think we will know what happened after all the dust settles from the last second dash to the finish line? :-)

  • In reply to mikeb31588:

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/02/bosh-backs-off-asik-criticism.html

    Side note...Bosh is still an idiot.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    I wouldn't put it past Bosh(with help from Wade) and Howard to talk big of their opponents; try to make Rose over-confident and push him to try to do it all without using his teammates as he normally would...But, Rose is humbler and focussed on what he wants than empty praises.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Good point...If the other's team franchise player(one who is the go-to-guy in the 4th quarter) is a SG...then it's big time trouble for the Bulls like it was yesterday. That was the issue when we played Miami last time and when we played GS(Ellis)...From memory, I can guess that the games the Bulls have lost the top scorer has either been a PF(Aldridge,Griffin) or a SG position guy(Douglas,Gallinari for NY, Meeks for Phil,Ellis,Jackson from Bobcats etc..)...So is their defense at both PF/SG positions killing them? Is it so simplistic?

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    RIC BUCHER SAID WE'RE GETTING COURTNEY LEE!!

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    I hope it's true. But Bucher has given more bumb steers then a bad used cattle dealer(I know that was bad). But I hope it's true about Lee. I'll believe it when ESPN reports it/confirms it on air.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    LOOKS LIKE COURTNEY LEE IS COMING TO TOWN! Ric Bucher just said it on ESPN....dont know who were getting rid of though!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    give me the link please !

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Ric Bucher has been wrong so many times before see Hedo to Portland. I will believe it when other news outlets and ESPN in general is reporting it.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I am very concerned the Bulls have only one option (DRose) when game is on the line like last night at Toronto. With all due respect to "poor defense" as an excuse, last night's game came down to which team had more fire power during home stretch. Raptors players made some clutch shots throughout 4th quarter, even when defended well. For Bulls, it was all Rose. Let's hope, couple years down the road, the Bull do not regret losing a chance to land Carmelo in 2010. Only time will tell...

  • In reply to igotpar:

    Really, you think poor defense is an excuse rather than a cause?

    How often do you win a game when the opposing team shoots 58% from the field?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    How about Carlos Boozer actually guard somebody for once.....Amir Johnson SHOULD not be able to back you down in the post an score.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    igotpar, the Bulls cannot regret losing someone they never had a chance to get. Carmelo ONLY wanted to play for the NY Knicks. Not the Nets. Not the Bulls. He refused to sign the extension for any other team. Stop with the Carmelo love affair.

  • In reply to igotpar:

    IF Del Thibideau play Asik more than 24 seconds, we probaby make a couple more defensive plays and win the game. Another one bites the dust to his bullheadedness.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Hoping that a player that would help the Bulls gets bought out may be the more realistic expectation.
    Although, that is really grasping at straws.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Your great player asik didn't even played yersterday and he's a reason why we can'T have Mayo.lol
    Mayo or Bust !!!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I've been reading this blog for awhile now, just haven't posted anything before. I'm one who doesn't think they should trade Asik, but I'm beginning to think that we'd be better off with Mayo and if Asik and a pick or two is what it takes, it might be worth it.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    Welcome aboard kayak0109! :-)

  • In reply to smiley:

    +1 lol

  • In reply to smiley:

    SAM YOUNG:

    He's the guy to go get. He's the SG version of Taj Gibson.

    Memphis already has Mayo. They signed T. Allen and drafted X. Henry.

    Now, they are planning on trading for Shane Battier too.

    http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/40794258512424960

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    he shoots 3's like Taj too

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Good one....talk about an useless piece like Young for the Bulls...I don't think Thibs will even allow him on the bench..

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Which means that he is absolutely incapable of scoring, not a good attribute for your scoring guard, scoring being the optimal word.

  • In reply to kayak0109:

    +1. welcome to the reason !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I'm definitely in on trading Asik for Mayo if that's what it takes, but I'm guessing it takes more than Asik and picks.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Mayo isnt going anywhere...especially with Gay down now.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    when u watched yesterday games, u can notice that we miss something. we're not there yet. Bulls aren't counting on rookies anymore. If it also takes draft picks for Mayo, i'll do it. Franckly this current roster isn't winning a championship. Bulls'd better do something before 3p.m

  • In reply to deewaves:

    We were missing Asik! lol

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    +100 lol. He should have played the boozer 35 min. He would have hold bargani to 14 pts and would have also scored 2pts. that's great. so that would have been -24pts of boozer + 2pts and asik, -10 pts of bargani. what a great player !! keep him, he will make us beat the heat !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    now you're getting it!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Taj, not Asik and i am on board. Asik is already a difference maker on defense, cannot wait to see him next year never mind in 2 years.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You can't teach 7 feet, especially someone who is as agile as Asik.
    The Bulls have put themselves in a great position for the future. We don't need to get a shooting guard right now when we can potentially get an even better SG in the off season for basically nothing but picks and expiring contracts.
    We have a young team, people need to stop panicking.

  • In reply to mikeb31588:

    why wait if u can get something now ?? do think we'll be the only team to purchase afflalo ? who told u that Nuggets don't gonna to keep him ? we must wait summer : that's how we missed James, bosh and wade, reddick, anthony morrow ... and end up the worst defensive PF in the league.

    "The Bulls have put themselves in a great position for the future" ??!!
    please Tell me what u find great when u have no flexibility(for trade or signatures), have Rose boozer noad deng all signed and still loose against the heat in playoffs?? what a dream !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Deewaves, we have picks and expiring contracts come next season. With the new CBA, it's likely that teams will be trying to save money and, players like Monta Ellis or Iggy will be available for next too nothing. I would rather have either one of those players rather than anyone who is out there right now.

  • In reply to mikeb31588:

    You do understand that we will be subject to the same CBA as everybody else.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Actually, he is the reason we can't have Lee, but why lets mere facts get in the way of your raving.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If Mayo could guard someone, yes. For what Mayo is, no. The draft class will be pretty stinky, so 3 1sts are reasonable, I don't think Asik or Taj are worth it.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    I agree. Especially with Boozers D. Bulls can't afford to give up either Gibson or Asik unless a C/F is also included in return.
    Plus, a Bulls guard has to moved if the Bulls bring in Mayo or else we'll have a glut at that position.
    Then you get back to the "chemistry issue" that was given to the media last week if you start trading multiple players.
    Which adds up to....no trades unless Memphis or Houston lower their demands in the next 4 hours and 40 minutes.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Korver and 2, not Charlottes.

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