Bulls @ Warriors 9:30 on WGN

The Chicago Bulls play the second game on this slow, sprawling road trip.  In fact, the Bulls don't play another back to back prior to the all-star break taking the sting out of what would have been a much tougher road trip otherwise.  

The Bulls are rolling on a six game winning streak while the Warriors have won their last two games against the Jazz and Bucks.   While the Warriors aren't a great team, they're a very good home team and have won 15 of 25 in their building.  They have the power to throw down a lot of points fast, and the Bulls won't win if they don't play well and with focus.

The first time the teams met early on in the season, the Warriors were off to a great start, but they were missing David Lee.  Things didn't go well for them that night as the Bulls annihilated them, and the Warriors season has gone down the tubes since then as well.

  

Keys to the game

Defend the three point line

One of the ways for a bad team to defeat a good team is to have really hot night from beyond the arc.   As a team, the Warriors shoot 40% from beyond the arc which is incredible.   They have a ton of shooters that can fill it up and get hot, so the Bulls need to play a little looser on the interior to stay out on the shooters.   Stephen Curry, Reggie Williams, Radmanovic, Monta Ellis, and Dorrell Wright can all drain threes on you when left open.

Slow down the game

The Warriors run one of the fastest paces in the league.   Their half court execution isn't all that great, and they get a lot of points through early offense and the fast break.   Get back on defense to deny the early offense looks which result in a lot of open threes, and the Bulls job defensively will be much easier.

Be prepared to run Taj Gibson more minutes rather than Kurt Thomas in order to keep up with the Warriors when they run to slow down the early offense.

Execute offensively

The Warriors don't have a whole lot of defense, and their team / help defense is particularly bad.   Boozer should crush David Lee with his offense, and Warriors aren't good enough to have a shot in hell of slowing down Derrick Rose.    Look for the Bulls to move the ball well and find the open man. 

Role players need to knock down shots

With the Warriors playing rather porous defense, there will be huge opportunities for Korver, Deng, Brewer, and Bogans to knock down open shots.  They need to step up to the plate and execute.

Final thoughts

I think the Bulls will win this one, but the Warriors are a different team at home than on the road, and they'll have David Lee in the lineup this time compared to last time.   Also, we saw against Philly that when we absolutely destroyed a team that it's not necessarily easy to pull off the same feat on the road the next time around.

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  • Ithink your points are spot on Doug. I expect Rose to dominate this game. Expect him to disect Golden State with a 20-10 performance tonight.

  • Unrelated Topic:

    How does everyone feel about Jimmer Fredette?

    I know the Bulls aren't likely to add any more rookies in the next several years unless they are lottery picks, and while I agree with that stance, Jimmer could be available with the late 1st rounder this year. There is a strong likelihood that we trade away our pick, but I am starting to warm up to the nation's leading scorer. Originally I thought he was another Adam Morrison, but now I am not so dubious.

    He is undersized, may not be able to play the point in the NBA, doesn't have an NBA body nor the NBA athleticism, but he can score. He has that crafty nack little guys have for avoiding lanky defenders. He has limitless range and easily could hit 40% on NBA 3's his rookie year. The league always has spots for shooters. Jimmer appears to be everything we had in Ben Gordon, maybe a little more & without the heavy price tag & demands. Maybe he could accept the 6 man role Gordon never could, & position himself as a backup combo guard. The spacing he would provide for Rose would be ridiculous. Also, I can't imagine that CJ Watson will want to resign here in 2 years unless his minutes per game are nearly doubled. While Jimmer isn't very athletic, he has the basketball IQ to easily pick up Thibodeau's defensive system.

    Look, if you can move that 1st rounder in a deal for a starting 2 you do it. Its hard to get a feel for Fredette because BYU's games aren't televised much, but from what I am hearing about him, he could have a niche in the NBA. Low 1st round is pretty low risk.

    Anyone else have an opinion on Jimmer Freddete?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Leave a comment...

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I stumbled across this in the Dallas Morning News sports section:

    Q: Who

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    My point is, while the team was troubled without him, that makes him valuable only in a theoretical sense. For him to have been of the utmost value, he would have never had to miss a game. Games played counts in an MVP race, much more so than in all-star voting.

    Derrick Rose is a run killer, and a losing streak snapper. How often does he stop the bleeding during a game to make huge buckets and prevent a strong run? All the time. During the season, the same goes. Bulls longest losing streak is 2 games. Part of the reason being Rose has played 47/48 games, and played many of those through pain & ailments. What are these other teams' longest losing streaks? Dirk certainly can't make the same claim as Rose.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Darn keyboard. What I started to say was that Fredette doesn't play defense, and may not be athletic enough to play NBA defense, in which case Thibs doesn't want him, I'll bet. I think the Bulls would gladly trade multiple draft picks for the right veteran.

  • In reply to TimS:

    but as a role player he wouldn't be counted on as much to play great D. You could probably count on him to be in the right place, as I noted with his high BBall IQ, but the trouble would be with all the rotating the Bulls do, him getting inloved in huge mismatch, although he doesn't have terrible size.

    My gut is telling me its not a fit, but that shooting is enticing. Its proibably a moot point as I noted they would & should most likely trade the pick for a starting 2, but I just wanted to throw his name out there & get some opinions.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I think he is just over hyped. He has a lot of red flags(height, speed, shooting against bad defenders in college)..Is he a newer version of Korver, Kapono etc..? He might be good as a spot-up shooter or the Korver role if Korver gets traded. I also think for some reason they didn't even double team him when he had those 45 points.
    In total, he is a good rotation player as a second round pick. If you consider a high first round pick, is he better than somebody like Taj or DeJuan Blair in terms of value?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    could be overhyped, but he is definately more crafty than Korver or Kapono.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Great points Doug...slowing down the game will be big tonight.

    Jimmer Fredette- I actually like him. I think the thing that sets him apart from the other "pretty good white guys" is that he has decent athleticism. I dont see him being anything more then a spark off the bench though in the NBA. But when the Bulls pick, and theres not much left on the board....i wouldnt mind taking the possible player of the year aboard in Fredette. Theres also some nice young bigmen out there that could be available. Jeremy Tyler and Renardo Sidney are both promising.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Was reading the Warriors Blog preview and have to say its very pro Bulls lol.
    Check it out here
    http://www.warriorsworld.net/2011/02/05/scope-golden-state-warriors-chicago-bulls-preview/

    Always a good read seeing what the other team's fans think of our Bulls

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    This is a game which depends on who dictates the tempo. If it is a fas t paced game, the Warriors are good at it and might run away with the game. But if it is a half-court game, the Bulls cruise.
    This is a game ripe for Korver or Watson to explode by raining 3s as they might be free because of GSW's porous defense.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I don't get the Ben Gordon comparison at all, Gordon allegedly won the Bulls over with the athleticism he showed in their workout. The Adam Morrison comparison is really worrying, you'd obviously need to do your homework in workouts to try to figure out how he'd go against NBA level athletes.

    Also I'm not sold that guys who are super awesome scorers can easily make the transition to role player. Obviously anyone you draft is going to be a pretty good scorer at the college level due to the weak competition they face, but there's a difference between being the top scorer on a team and being the focal point of the offense.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    an undersized 2 who could struggle to defend and would be best suited as a 6 man, taht's my comparrison, don't think that's too far out there Shakes. You want a better one? How about Mo Williams (with a better attitude)

    I don't remeber Ben being very athletic while he was here, but then again I wasn't in those workouts

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I think Gordon's problem is he doesn't have the size or the handle to really take advantage of his athleticism. But in any case there was never any doubt Gordon was athletic enough to play in the NBA. I think being undersized and under-athletic and not having a point guard mindset might be too much to overcome for a player.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/20110205/UTAIWA/gameinfo.html

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    This is a game you just want over with, it feels like the Bulls should win if both teams play to expectations, but you never know with the Warriors, they could easily go 12-20 from three even if they're defended well.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    With the way Golden State plays D, and all the young players and transition offense, this will actually be a very exciting game. Golden State is good at home too. Want over with? No, give me overtime!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I prefer grind it out games to chuck fests, what can I say. :)

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    korver is on fire !!! keep going like that !

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    brewer is awful, he misses a simple dunk !

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Rose has butter fingers tonight.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    rose is turning the ball over too much this game !

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Ya we just need to settle the heck down right now. We are playing Golden State ball tonight. Im sure Thibs will correct it in the 2nd half....SLOOOOOW DOWN!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Hopefully Rose comes out with his A game the second half, 7 turnovers in a half is just ridiculous.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Struggled to stay awake through halftime but I managed.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Bogans scores 6, game over!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    lool

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Turnovers is all that's stopping the Bulls from dominating this game.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Rose looks visibly frustrated after that turnover, terrible pass by Rose, but terrible effort by Brewer to come get it.

    Turnovers have killed the Bulls this game as the Warriors have an assload of fast break points on them. Without the TOs, the Warriors would probably be shooting 30%.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Wow!! Never seen so many Bulls turning over or handling the ball loosely so many times.
    And the Warriors are doing double/triple teaming of Rose...and he is struggling to break it or the team is not adjusting to it fast enough.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Got to say, you can see why GS wins so much at home. Their crowd is crazy, particularly given how much their team sucks.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Did James Johnson morph into Rose's body?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Bulls look sloppy..ellis is getting off and if derrick doesent find a way to score we lose. Why wont yhe bulls attack ellis like their doing derrick. Make the rest of them best you

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    C.J. Watson just killing the Bulls this quarter.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The Bulls had their chances to quiet the crowd, but have played poorly Worst I've seen Brewer. Deng is nowhere and Rose like you said is frustrated and playing like it.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Bulls offense looks as disjointed as i've seen it this year in this quarter. They just can't get a good shot.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    They're not reacting well to the aggressive double teams on Rose. Watson has to help run the offense so Rose can play off the ball, not shoot it every time he catches it.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    And they've let themselves get pulled into GSW's pace.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    This funky zone they're playing is killing the Bulls...making them look like they're playing for VDN!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    way to compete, go bulls

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I'm not aknowledge this bulls. Damn ! They aren't playing D. Please trade brewer. He hasnt scored yet. That is the kind a player who kill us !

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The foul line is the Bulls' only chance to steal this game.
    And defense!

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Cant win them all. Bulls committed wayyyyyyy to many turnovera and got outplayed on both ends. It happens to the best of teams. Just make the adjustments heading into next game and well be fine. Two questions if any one can answer. When was the last time we lost back to back? Was it the hblowout in orlando then semi blowout to boston? & also does deng lead the league in travelling calls?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Too much time on their hands made them read all the accolades in the press....got to their head a little bit and it shows in their lackadaisical attitude...

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Way too many turnovers and fast break points all game, which would have been possible to overcome but the offense just completely stunk in the 4th.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Monta looked like the only All-Star candidate.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    The Bogans 6pt streak is over. We need another guard badly. I'll say it again, we need a perimeter player that can do at least two of the following things well:

    Shoot
    Score
    Create off the dribble
    Defend
    Draw fouls

    We don't have a guard other than Rose that can do even 2 of these things well. We have guards that can't play ball and chew gum at the same time.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    It's hard to hold GSW under 100 but they usually give up much more. I was hoping The Bulls could slow it down and work inside-out with Boozer but he and Rose didn't react well to the wild trapping and zones GSW played tonight. That just jacked their offensive rhythm all up. And then they got drawn into that quick-shooting style and that's not their game.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    DRose got his ass kicked by Monta Ellis tonight, I don't know what was wrong with Derrick, but he definitely did not look like an MVP tonight. He looked terrible. Joakim Noah will be back by the end of the week. I'm going to go vomit now and hope Rose never plays this bad again

  • In reply to sexpot77:

    Rose got hit with double teams the hardest I've ever seen since young Jordan. It worked on Jordan too.... until he got Pippen to be another ball handler.

    I've heard the argument that elite PG's don't need a good SG next to them. That's when I hear examples of Chris Paul and D. Williams. That's 2 PG's with zero rings and zero trips to the finals. Great PG's need either hall of fame bigs like Parker/Duncan, Stockton/Malone, & Magic/Kareem. Or they need a backcourt partner to help shoulder the load like Thomas/Dumars.

    Rose has good bigs in Boozer and Noah, but neither will be MVP level players. Rose will need help in the playoffs. What we saw tonight will be the same plan used by Boston, Miami, and Orlando in the playoffs. They'll execute this plan better because they all have elite defenses.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    I watched every second of this game and I am the biggest D Rose fan and have seen him handle the same double teams against better defensive teams (this was the damn Warriors) Rose plain played BAD today, he looked out of it and kept leaving his feet when trying to pass. Sure, no one went to the ball but his passing for the most part was weak. As good as he is (and I think he will be the best player in the league in less than 2 years) he is allowed to have a crap game sometimes. It was just sad to see because this game was definitely there for the taking. Can't wait to have Noah back. I think they should have gone to Korver more when he was hot in the first half, which would have allowed Rose to have a little more space to work with. I would not be surprised to read about Rose's stomach ulcers acting up again, my stomach hurt watching this game.

  • In reply to sexpot77:

    I agree, Rose played horrible. You have to admit one thing. Watching Rose get hit with those aggressive double teams, while his teammates looked helpless was a lot like watching Cutler getting murdered with no offensive line this year.

    I hope the Bulls adjust the roster better than the Bears. Otherwise our seasons will end exactly the same. A Chicago team suprises the world, wins their division, wins a playoff round, then fails because they didn't address their biggest fatal flaw.

  • In reply to sexpot77:

    This game underscored the need for another ball handler in the back court to take some of the heat off of Rose while being able to defend at SG. This isn't the first time teams have attacked Rose like this, but he and the Bulls usually adjust much better.

    Noah's passing from the top of the key would've been REALLY helpful in this game. I expected Watson to give a little more support once Thibs put him out there with Rose but he got sucked right up into the GSW pace of the game and started forcing shots.

  • In reply to sexpot77:

    Agreed kbar17,
    In this loss the Bulls weakness was on full display. They have trouble competing against athletic wings (Knicks, Bobcats). Bulls have trouble defending athletic, shot-creating wings and on offense the Bulls themselves lack shot creators. See the FT disparity

  • In reply to sexpot77:

    It's not like the Warriors are the first team all year to come up with the idea "maybe we should throw everything at Rose". Pretty much every team for the last couple of months has been doing that, and he's mostly played through it fine. He just had a stinker, it happens and I see no real reason to expect Rose has been figured out.

    As much as Rose was bad offensively, the team gave up 31 fast break points when they average under 13 for the season. The Bulls have had plenty of games where they've stunk offensively and still won, it's defense that the team is built around. We already knew the Bulls will sometimes struggle to score, what we can normally rely on is they get back and limit transition points and make the other team work damn hard for points. Most of the Bulls losses have come when teams hit tough shots despite the good D. That didn't happen tonight and it's what I find disappointing.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    How many of those fast break points were off of the turnovers? The turnovers killed them because the trapping got to them. I agree that GSW didn't expose anything about the Bulls that teams didn't already know, though. They just did a good job tonight and the Bulls couldn't get their rhythm back in time.

  • In reply to magestew:

    I don't know the breakdown but they certainly weren't even close to all coming from turnovers. Rose had 9 turnovers which of course sucks but the team as a whole only had 16 which isn't terrible, and certainly not so many you'd expect such porous transition defense.

    I'm not trying to take away from how badly Rose played, but this team is a defense first team that didn't play good defense, yet all the comments focus on the offensive short-comings.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

    Deng and Boozer got their averages tonight.

    Thus, it appears that their is no one on this Bulls team that can RAISE THEIR GAME to another level to pull out the win when Derrick Rose struggles and/or gets shutdown.

    That's troublesome.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    That, Mr. Hap, is an very good point.
    Brewer and Watson played particularly bad games all around.
    Even if no one else picked it up individually on offense, the team defense should have rallied
    Gibson had a good 1st half, but didn't get much play in the 2nd. The Bulls got killed rebounding without him.
    Although, I can't really fault Thibs for this one. I think Brewer's missed break away dunk which would have put them up by 14 and ihis inability to secure rebounds along with Boozers 2 missed free throws on the flagrant; allowed the GSW and the crowd to stay engaged
    Rose is entitled to a crappy game. The team let him and Thibs down..

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Derrick Rose was damn terrible tonight. Monta picked his pocket time and time again. The looks Golden State was giving the Bulls really seemed to confuse them. It's been awhile since the Bulls have been dominated like this. Credit GSW defense in this game...

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Warriors backcourt smashed our backcourt. Ellis & Curry > Rose & any of our guards. The good news is not too many teams have better backcourts than us. Rose needs a legit starting SG. You saw how hard it was to double Ellis when Curry was out there. A legit starting SG makes Rose even better.

    If we don't get that SG this year, we'll come up short in the playoffs. I won't consider us a contender until that flaw is addressed.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Wow, kind of a weak flagrant on Lee there, but I'll take it.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Carlos apparently thought so too, since he whiffed on both free throws.

    Actually seeing the replay, flagrant might have been the right call.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    boozer is on fire !!!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    FYI:

    I was watching the Iowa Energy game tonight and the announcers said that they are hearing that James Johnson will get called back up to the Bulls after next weekend.

    Also, the guy I like from that team, Marqus Blakely, needs to be called up w/ JJ.

    And Curtis Stinson isn't a bad looking player either.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    JJ & the Bulls had agreed on a 8 game stint even before his first game.

  • This 4 week stretch we are in is going to provide a lot of rest, and can you guys imagine how awesome it will be if they can run the table this road trip? Only 9 games in 29 days (after 15/25 previously), and only 1 player making the all-star team, our key guys should be rested up for the stretch run. How good would the feelings be if we can hit the stretch run at near 39-15?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I firmly belive the Bulls will go into the AllStar break at 38-16 (4-2 over the next 2 weeks). I think they can go 3-1 the rest of the month to finish February at 41-17. That leaves them on pace for 57 wins a decent shot at a 3 (hopefully a 2) seed.

    They then hit a tough 2 week schedule facing Miami, Orlando, Atlanta twice, Utah, and New Orleans. After that they should post quite a few wins as 12 of their final 17 games are against sub .500 teams.

    I feel great about our stretch run, especially if the WHOLE team is finally healthy, and stays that way.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I don't know how much rest they are getting between games. I think what is more important is that they have multiple opportunities to practice.

  • In reply to TimS:

    The Bulls do both light practices & intesne practices, and from what I hear Thib highly values his players getting the occasional days off to rest. For example these last 2 days off, Thibs had a meeting scheduled with an optional workout on Thursday, an intense practive Friday, & a morning shoot around today.

    I'm the the camp that believes days off are of much more importance than minutes off during a game.

  • Much like the Clippers game, Rose needs to be in attack mode early.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    - Yep, Rose = 25pts, 9ast, 3reb, 2stl, and a block!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I don't know, part of what made that effective was the element of surprise. But if the Warriors refuse to defend the three, I suppose he'll do a heat check.

  • In reply to TimS:

    surprised or not, the Warriors can't defend

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