Bulls trounce Clippers behind monster performance by Rose

Derrick Rose absolutely destroyed the Clippers in every way imaginable.  From behind the arc to off the dribble.  Deng, Watson, and Korver crushed their spirits by knocking down three after three, and the Bulls broke their ominous streak of losing every time Bogans scores five points,   The Bulls survived a monster performance by Blake Griffin, and if that guy ever learns to shoot, the league better watch the heck out.

As for the individual performances

Derrick Rose sure looked healthier than he has in awhile

Do you think the extended rest helped?  I think so.  He's probably past the ulcer and back pain, because he looked like he was moving far more freely on the court.  Early on, he dropped three three pointers (one originally called a two and overturned) on the Clips, and had tons of forays into the paint finishing with his sick reverse lay up.

He also set up the rest of his teammates for easy looks repeatedly when the Clippers tried to send a lot of coverage his way.  Rose launched the Bulls offense this game with an aggressive start and performed at the highest level.

He finished with 32 points on an efficient 11 for 18 from the field with 11 assists on the night, and if they had needed him to do more, he probably could have gone off for 50 the way he had it going on tonight, but the game was in hand late.

Luol Deng looks awfully dangerous when he's drilling threes

Deng finished three of six from the night from beyond the arc, but he knocked down his first three attempts and had room to work with off the dribble most of the night.  He got to the line, shot efficiently from inside, and lots of great passing opportunities as the Clippers defense was typically completely discombobulated when Luol had the ball, typically coming after the whole team tried to swarm Derrick Rose who kicked it out to Deng.

It was a great game for Luol who hit all the right notes on when to shoot the long ball, when to drive, and when to pass on the night.  There was a lot of talk about whether Deng should be an all-star prior to the start of the game, and I had never really considered the topic too closely. 

However, maybe due to our past low expectations for Deng we are selling him short.  I typically think an all-star needs to create his own shot better though and play a role in the offense larger than Dengs, but Ben Wallace made plenty of all star games with no ability to do that.  Deng's been one of the league's best perimeter defenders this season, and his offense has certainly been very solid even if not mind blowing.  The guy's still giving you 17-18 points a night, plenty of boards, and great defense.  Maybe he should be on the team. 

Carlos Boozer struggled to get it going on most of the night

He shot 50% from the field which is usually enough for an offensive player to have a nice night, but he missed an open dunk and had mostly gimmie shots for his makes.  He struggled with turnovers, and he wasn't doing a whole lot in isolation for the team.   That said, when Boozer struggles and gives you an 8/16 night from the field it's not the worst thing in the world. 

He wasn't matched up on Griffin too much defensively, but when he was, he had no more success than anyone else on the Bulls.  He did get a flagrant called against him when he gave Griffin a little bit of a shove when the two collided in mid air and Griffin was going in for a dunk.  

I thought the call was complete BS given that Griffin grabbed Boozer's arm with his off hand and threw it out of the way stopping him from contesting the shot.   The tail end of the play was a defensive foul, but not before Griffin clearly illegally used his off arm to push Boozer away.

If that's a flagrant, Derrick Rose has been more screwed than I thought by the refs.

Keith Bogans scores five, but the Bulls still win

The stat about the Bulls being undefeated when Bogans scores six has been used as some bizarre form of support for him starting.   "Look he only needs to score six and the Bulls win, they don't need much scoring".  Others counter with "If only we had a shooting guard who regularly scored 6 we'd win all the time!". 

Well, neither point makes any sense.  Bogans barely plays.  This is a completely random coincidence.

Kurt Thomas tried hacking the hell out of Griffin, and maybe it worked

The returns didn't come in early, but by the second half, Griffin looked a bit more tired and less able to do what he did in the first half which was dominate the absolute crap out of our defense like only Dwight Howard has done before.

Griffin got many of his shots off assisted, easy looks near the basket using his extreme athleticism to gain separation while another player drives or to jump over the defense like he abused Kyle Korver.   However, Kurt made him work when they tried to dump the ball into Griffin and get points out of him in isolation and wasn't nearly as effective there. 

After a monster first half where I believe Blake scored 22 (off the top of my head), he finished the game with only 32 points.

C.J. Watson played great off the bench and had the second unit rolling

The Bulls first really broke open this game in the second quarter when Watson and the bench came in for Rose.  He shot and moved the ball well, and the Bulls managed to build up their first double digit lead which collapsed almost immediately when he went to the bench (only to be rebuilt almost just as fast).

Watson's continuing to play quite well as the backup point guard and has really settled into his roll since his early season struggles.  I'm sure he wishes he had more minutes on the floor, and I certainly wish the Bulls would give him about eight of Bogans minutes, but he's making the most of what he has.

Ronnie Brewer had a rare game where you just didn't notice him

Part of it is likely the lack of a dynamic perimeter offensive player (with Gordon out) for him to make his mark against, but Brewer just didn't seem to have it going on.  He typically skys for rebounds, makes some marquee steals, and gets you a couple of exciting dunks every night, but the only play I remember him involved in was an end of half play where he picked up a loose ball rebound and was sprinting down the court for the final shot and decided to pass the ball backwards to Derrick Rose for a long three rather than take a regulation length three himself. 

To which I thought, how high would Rose's three point percentage be if he didn't take all of these end of quarter threes?

Kyle Korver still shooting pretty well

He was only two of five behind the three point line, but he had another one that was waived off by an awfully dicey offensive foul call.   After going through a slump, Korver has rebounded and found his stroke again.

Taj Gibson stepped up with Thomas in foul trouble

Gibson played 34 minutes which is quite a bit more than he typically has recently, and he played them quite well.   He had a lot of energy going on, and did a very nice job pulling down rebounds and earned the Bulls some points through effort and nice play.

He didn't exactly shut down Griffin, but neither did anyone else, and Taj has always been more of a help defender than a primary defender.

Omer Asik barely played but had one notable play to me

Blake Griffin was running in for a dunk and Asik got out in front of the circle with both feet, then jumped straight up, put his hand in between Griffen's and got called for body contact.   If he had just stood there, he probably would have gotten a charge, but the call was absolutely ridiculous to go against him when he jumped straight up and had established position prior to Griffin's arrival in the paint.

It was just one of many superstar calls Griffin got on the night.   I thought Asik looked pretty decent in his very few minutes, but apparently Thibodeau saw something he didn't like, because the Bulls never went back to him.

Tom Thibodeau continues to make the right adjustments at half time

How many times have the Bulls come out and crushed their opponent in the second half?  It seems to happen with great regularity to me.  I don't know if that stat is out there, but I suspect we'd find the Bulls play very well coming out of half time.

They did so again.  Griffin, who dominate the Bulls early, was minimized considerably in the second half, and the Bulls went on to hold the Clippers to a mere 39 second half points and turned the game into a rout by the end.

Nice job by your future NBA coach of the year.

Final thoughts

Great first game on the road for the Bulls.  They now have plenty of time off before facing Golden State on Saturday, an easier game for us to watch since we can sleep in the next night.    This wasn't the toughest game on the trip by any stretch, but it was a game against a team playing really well in their building, and the Bulls came out with the win.

So far the Bulls are 3-0 over the stretch I was hoping they'd go 13-7.   They haven't hit the toughest stretch in the schedule yet, but I couldn't be happier with where the team is at.

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  • Not a lot to add, it was a game where the Bulls won seemingly effortlessly. When the Bulls play that well offensively they're mighty tough for any team to beat. Clippers commentators were full of praise for the Bulls too, suggesting they're the second best team in the East narrowly behind the Celtics, if the Bulls were flying under the radar I don't think they are anymore, people are taking notice of them.

    Speaking of three pointers, obviously they had a hot game but I love how consistent they've been over the long run, they've remained on around that 6 of 16 per game pace most of the season, even though players have had hot or cold runs someone else has picked up. It looked like a problem area before the season but Rose/Deng/Korver (and even Watson and Bogans of late) have really far exceeded my expectations as a group.

    6 more games until Noah is back!

  • Perfect summing up there Doug.

    There were 3 things in the game that I just loved

    1. DRose in the 3rd quarter when he reminded me of my (in your terms) Junior High coach who would play point guard in practice; direct the game making all of us look like superstars and the opponent look just like kids (as they were obviously). DRose just had that presence about him during that game and agree if he wanted 50 or more it was his for the taking; and the best thing is - he knew it!

    2. Booz I'm still laughing now typing this. Was it 4 offensive fouls cos the other guy was too weak to deal with a "little" shove from him. Even he, when he got his 5th foul, I think saw the funny side of it and just knew it was one of those nights.

    3. Big Sexy's stare down of Joey Crawford (when he got his T). I bet Joey was running to the bathroom after that one!! Sheer class (and the replays showed there was no foul there either lol). He is def the Bulls enforcer; so KG and Bosh, bring ur fake hardman to the United Center and meet a REAL hardman.

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    I only watched a few minutes of the 3rd quarter but I did see Big Sexy's T call and his stare needs to be a poster!
    Awesome...I'm so happy with the play of Thomas and giving this team an enforcer!
    I love this team!!!! :-)

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    Nice payback win for the Bulls. I have always said in the past that as long as this team is focused and the guys that are suppose to score do their job on a consistent basis, with the defensive effort, they can compete with any team in the league. And a bit off topic, their are rumors that have the Bulls having interest in Anthony Parker of the Cavs, I really think the Bulls shouldn't waste using a draft pick as trade bait on a guy that for one has back problems and two he is in his mid thirties or close to it. If the Bulls do make a trade I hope they try for someone better than Parker.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I don't think they are giving up a second round pick or at the worst case the Bulls pick(will be in top 20s) or James Johnson for him. He would be the best fit for now as Wiggins wrote yesterday. Otherwise, if somebody else falls into their lap...this is what it looks like we will have.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I meant they are not giving more than a second round pick...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Griffin got WAY too many superstar calls... The ref's were practically choking on that guy's jock last night.

    You're spot on, Doug. Rose has been (and is still) getting screwed.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Both of the hits that Howard put on Rose last year were far worse than Boozer's "flagrant" on Griffin. Just because Griffin went down they called a flagrant. Rose went down both times after Howard hit him, and much harder than Griffin did, and he was injured which Griffin wasn't.

    It is clear if you play physical and run into people like a bowling ball, you are going to get a call from the refs most of the time. Never-the-less, Rose has really gotten screwed over the first 2.5 years of his career.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    If the Bulls had Melo, instead of Deng, I bet they would have had 3 or 4 All-Stars this year.

    - Rose
    - Melo
    - Noah
    - Boozer

    The C's have 4 All-Stars, because they own the #1 Seed right now.

    That wouldn't be the case w/ Melo on the Bulls.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Wipe the Melo cum off yourself and come to the reality - Melo is not on the Bulls.

    Let him go already.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yeah if Melo was in the team Noah wouldn't have missed time for the snapped tendon in his hand. In addition to being undeniably dreamy to ill-informed internet trolls, Melo also has magical healing powers.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You become more and more pathetic by the day ...

    Fortunately, Deng's been playing great lately, which usually translates to seeing far less of you than usual. A bonus for all of us.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    1. Great win for the Bulls. It looked like Griffin plays with such high energy...he got a little tired in the second half with all the beating up he got from Thomas. Or was it the adjustments from Thibs?

    2. For all the rep about Korver's defense and even though he got dunked by Griffin pretty bad, I think he does play pretty good help defense. Thibs should start him for a few games here and there to see how he does in a starting lineup and plays for extended minutes. He will be an adjustment in the playoffs if needed.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I agree with you on Korver's defense. He's a solid positional defender, he puts in a lot of effort. Really athletic players can beat him off the dribble or jump over him at times, but he's still effective in that he knows and follows his responsibilities.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    He does try really hard, moreso than I had thought he did.

    However, he totally has slow white mans disease, he gets called for a foul pretty much everytime that he is in the same zip code as the player with the ball.

    Asik gets a lot of that too, but not quite as bad as Korver.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Rose tweaked his back again to start the second half. It happened on the first play when he was fouled and took his time going to the line. Otherwise, great win and the team looked really sharp.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Didn't notice that, but my powers of observation were dwindling in the second half given I wake up at 4:30 everyday.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Yeah, it was a tough one to stay up for and if it hadn't been Blake Griffin, I probably wouldn't have either. Rose's back is a big concern.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    If u pay attention, u nocite that when Deng plays well, chicago most of time get a Win. I mean Deng is a X-factor of this team. If Deng plays every game the way he did against clippers, Orlando, Memphis then the bulls will win the champoinship !!
    The problem is Luol too inconstant. Our success in playoffs depends definitively on Him !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I mean in playoffs, we can be sure that Rose and Boozer will do what they're supposed to do !! But to win a serie against miami or boston depends on Deng ! He is be the difference between chicago bulls being contender or pretender!! With Melo we won't have this problem, that's why I keep hoping that GarPax are going to do something to get him !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Deng is inconsistent.. I mean, about as inconsistent as someone who averages 18ppg as a teams 3rd scoring option can be. But his defense is huge, as is his 3 pt shooting. Deng is a better 3p shooter than Melo, a far better defender, and costs a little over half of what Melo would be signing for. Look I'd like Melo too, but Deng can easily be the SF on a multi-championship team in Chicago. Melo isn't THAT much better than Deng. Sure Melo is a superstar and Deng is an underwhelmingly very good player, but the actual production gap on the court where it matters isn't that large at all. We need a SG, and to continue building our bench, that's what you should be hoping for my friend.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Deng would be a lot more consistent if he didn't play 44 minutes every other game, too.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    u think playing a lot is the reason ??

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    U made a point when u said that Melo isn't that much better than Deng. But this little difference between them is that can make us win title. As i explained, it's in the post season where we're going to see little diffrence : Melo won't never disappear in money time. we won't win or loose a serie against miami or boston by so much : it gonna be just a little thing where haing melo over deng would help.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I can agree that Melo swapped for Deng can win us a title. But above you're arguing that we should trade Noah for Melo. If we trade Noah for Melo Deng has to go as well, we're not paying our backup SF 12 Million a year. So are you saying that our team is better with Deng and Noah gone, and Melo coming in?

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    yeah !!! That's i am all about !! Our D and rebounds are very good even without noah. So we can live without him. So let's do the deal Melo for Deng + Noah !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    If the Bulls didn't have Boozer, then getting Melo would be a priority, and the difference between Melo and Deng would be signigicant.

    With Boozer, we have a much smaller need for what Melo gives us. They are somewhat dupicative, even if Melo is a better overall talent than Boozer.

    We simply cannot give up the pieces that it would require to get Melo and be a better team than we are now.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    "Melo isn't THAT much better than Deng."

    We all know that Melo is not coming and here and Bulls fans don't want him but don't be a fool...

  • In reply to calle3:

    When referring to THAT much, the capitalization is a way of stressing the word. Yes Melo is a lot better than Deng, but not nearly as much as Deewaves is making him out to be. When I say THAT much better I say it in that he's not as much better than Deng as it warrants losing Deng, Noah, and picks which is what he is suggesting.

    Don't call a person a fool without being absolutely sure of what they are actually saying, and even then, have some respect.. if not for me, for yourself.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    +1, he is silly. Don't care about. People who insult are people whe can't argument.

    I really think Melo worths all of that. This kind of player can't be find everytime. They're rarely on draft, and more rare in the market ! Noah is much easier to replace than Melo. It's great luck, catch the talent and think later !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Watch Carmelo on the TV. Watch him help defend. Confused? It's because he does not ever help his teammates on defense. Just saying. Guy can't play team defense. Even if he was on the Bulls he would spend his time sitting next to Thibs because of defensive lapses.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Even though I agree with Bulls brass that I shouldn't happen, while you say it should, it doesn't even matter, because there is no way the Bulls are making that trade.

    I respect your opinion, Melo is a rare offensive talent, but I disagree that they should make a more substantial offer than the one they already have on the table

  • In reply to calle3:

    Dumb ass, try to understand instead of being rude.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    and while we are touching on the topic $$$, if we were able to get Melo in a deal that doesnt involve Noah, we still dont know if the Bulls could sign Rose to the max deal depending on the new CBA (someone correct me here if Im wrong, as this is not something Ive studied much). Do you really want Deng gone, Melo in, and Rose leaving cause we dont have any $$$? I know it seems absurd but lets be real here. Rose is not going to want to be the 3rd or 4th highest paid player on this team.

  • In reply to bcz1980:

    and why are we STILL talking about Melo? I cant wait for the fucking trade deadline to pass so we can stop talking about something that will not happen.

    - Denver DOES NOT WANT DENG!
    - The BULLS ARENT TRADING NOAH

    The Bulls are 2nd in the East and look very dangerous. By Mid March they should look like a serious contender (unless someone else decides they need 8-12 weeks off).

  • In reply to bcz1980:

    but apparently the discussion still alive. and I still think Rose-Korver-Melo-Boozer-THomas is better than Rose-Korver-Deng0-Boozer-Noah.

    Also I heard recently that GarPax still thinking about whether or not it's good to pull on the trigger to get Melo for Deng and Noah !!

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    I don't really see Deng as particularly inconsistent, I mean he has had some change depending on whether Boozer is in or out. His scoring goes down and efficiency up with Boozer as you'd expect. But generally he's been pretty reliable, and there are really no other guys in a third option role even scoring around the 18 a game mark. Most of the guys scoring that many are the leading or second leading scorers for their team.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Exactly - I have tried this argument with people on these boards about 7 or 8 times now, they just ignore it and keep on trumpeting Deng's inconsistent nature even though there is empirical evidence to the contrary.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Get this.

    The Bulls are 34-14...

    The last time we started 34-14?

    1997-1998

    Fact

  • In reply to deewaves:

    The Clippers(if you have league pass/watch them to see Griffin) since Dec 15th or thereabouts have one of the best ppg, FG%, and rebounding lines in the league. Even with Gordon out(Foye is not a bad backup), as others have stated they're a very good team especially at home.

    Yet the Bulls took command of this game with dominating performances from Derrick Rose and Luol Deng in what to me was a statement game. They exacted their revenge, and never got flustered despite critical buckets by Davis and a dominating first half from Griffin.

    As I keep saying if 'November Jo'(does that sound silly? - just a nice ring to it to me) with the whatever it was he was averaging before the thumb injury 15ppg and 14 rebounds with a couple of blocks pg; if that Jo comes back at some point after reacclimating his body and timing to the game... with all the spin cycle dunks, hooks, offhand layups/drives down the lane, mid range passable jumper, he has developed a legit arsenal in my view. You add the fast break starter/rebounder and double busting driving of Jo, and I think this team does indeed not so much rise to a whole new level offensively, but remains at that higher level consistently rather then going through these "winning ugly" funks with 30% shooting nights and/or low ppg.

    By the way a word about J.J. and Taj. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there have been quite a few first round guys sent to the D-league this year. My two draft picks/best available at the time IMO in the Bulls range(before the Hinrich deal/shipped to Washington) Dominique Jones and Luke Babbitt have both done stints down there. I still believe Jones for sure and possibly Babbitt will eventually contribute/develop(now their stuck on veteran rosters in playoff drive contention). And sure some guys put up big numbers down there scoring wise, but J.J with another 30 point game with six bocks, 12 rebounds, 7 assists etc. etc. You get the idea. I don't think J.J.'s chances of being an NBA contributor are over by any means. Even if he doesn't end up with the Bulls I think he could have some value in a trade. But honestly I hope he does by miracle rejoin the team, and have some shining moment in the playoffs when we're in foul trouble/guys are flat/need a boost. I know, probably not going to happen. As for Taj you get him some set plays/committ to getting him the ball in the post, and I think his jump shot comes back to where he's a very capable offensive big. As Sam Smith said today(agree with him on this one) you don't trade Taj unless it involves an impact/Carmelo type player, and not some second tier guard like Stephen Jackson.

    By the way as Doug has been a steadfast proponent of C.J. to his credit, Watson is really coming on as the nice sized PG slash scorer we need. Hell, he's even hitting some threes. If not for Bogan's solid play(at times) and fighting presence lately, I'd say give half his minutes to C.J. concurring with Doug.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    CJ really has been flat out solid for some time now, glad to see he's come around. He's bought into Thibs system, at least it seems, and has become a defensive stopper on the court.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Agreed. Easy to say now, but despite the horrid shooting trouble he was having, I have liked C.J. all along. As a matter of act I can't think of a guy on this ballclub I don't like right now. The character seems terrific top to bottom and chemistry seems to be a good mesh with everybody on the team.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    True about the character, looks like Garpax's preference of high character players is paying off. I've always believed in taking character into heavy consideration for NFL teams, but NBA wise I've kind of felt like there's not enough players overall to be that picky about character, but the Bulls seem to have made it work. I look back to that story about the differences between the pre-draft meetings with Rose and Beasley. They went on character then, and we all know how that one turned out.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Totally agree with you guys. This team has good chemistry and is extremely fun to watch. Should be really fun once the playoffs kick into gear. The Bulls are gonna shake things up big time!!!

    GO BULLS!!!

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Thank God they considered that. I remember debating with someone at work about Rose vs. Beasley in the draft. To me it was a no-brainer, based mostly on their basketball skills, but also on being suspicious that Beasley was a headcase. The guy politicking for Beasley doesn't say much about it anymore. I should bring it back up :)

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Agree completely. I really like everyone on this team. They complement each other well, have good balance on the floor, are unselfish with a team-first attitude, great work ethic and character, chemistry, etc. etc.

    I'm glad people were willing them to give them a chance to develop. I mean, after all, the roster underwent a major overhaul and it was going to take a little time. It's actually happened faster than I originally though.

    Lebron has said recently that the Heat's chemistry isn't on par yet with the other contenders...and he's right. They're still trying to jell and trust each other (Spoeltstra's latest mantra), while the Bulls are far ahead of them in that department.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    1. I think Taj has to work on his release of his jump shot. I don't know if he can change it easily but we know his last summer was kind of focused on other issues. He kind of takes it back behind his head and it is not an easy release which has the tendency to go in a little stronger than required.
    2. I agree..JJ somehow makes a miracle comeback but I doubt it. If the Bulls pick up a SG before the deadline, that guy will play more and the minutes will be even less for SF/SG spot. If they can trade JJ, it will free up some cap space to go after a quality SG and also another PF/Center type which would we need during the playoffs..

  • In reply to deewaves:

    The ONLY complaint i have about thibs, is that he needs to trust his bench. He started the 4th with watson. Watson was doing a rather good job. When boozer went into foul trouble, he brought rose in the game. I can understand that. However after vinny has pulled blake, maybe it's time you should put watson back in. OR at the very least, pull deng for brewer giving you a lineup of rose/watson, brewer, korver, taj, thomas.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    +10, thibs must at least see what its gonna give with korver as a starter.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    This team is really amazing since Orlando Game. Yesterday night was one the best bulls game of the season. They played their best basket-ball. Everyone contributed even bogans. We are turning into a contender. Given the way chicago is playing right now, do we still need Noah ?? is Noah going to make any difference ? Isn't it better to trade him for Melo becuz apparently we can live without him ?

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Even if we we're just as good without Noah as we are with him, which we aren't, Kurt Thomas is old and isn't in the long term plans. As I said, this point while factual, is irrelevant since Noah is, believe it or not, a huge part of this team.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    I know noah is a grat part of this team. But his comeback isn't going to make an huge difference on defense. To reply u, Asik or taj gibson or a draft pick can do the job Big sexy is doing.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    See I think you're wrong about that though, the Bulls haven't had a drop off on defense in Noah's absence. But the portion of the season that Noah did play, was the much tougher stretch, up until about when Noah got hurt the Bulls had played the toughest schedule in the league. Since then the schedule has been so easy that our overall schedule is now one of, if not the, easiest overall. Also, I don't think you are appreciating what Noah does on offense, he's got the hands of an NFL wide receiver and passes as well as most point guards.

    Another thing, remember that if we were going to move Noah for Melo we'd also have to move Deng, we're not going to have a backup SF making 12 million a year. How can you argue that losing Noah and Deng while adding Melo helps this team? I just don't buy it. Now, any other trade for Melo not including Noah is something I'd consider.

    Deewaves come into the light my friend, you've got to start seeing Noah as the player he is. The guy is special and does more in the little parts of the game than perhaps any player I've ever seen.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Seriously, I don't speak just for annoying u guys or something like that. At the beginning of the season, I was also against this deal but when I learned that Melo is okay to sign an extension, I was half-OK. After seeing the bulls 2 months playing well even with noah out, I think this deal is good. We'll come out stronger !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Do you really believe Thomas will hold up not only for the full season but also the playoffs and future replacing Noah and we will find a comparable center for minimum deal(that's what we have to do if we sign Melo for that big contract)?
    The Bulls played well against Denver when Rose was hurt and CJ Watson started. And, I believe this team would have won a lot of games missing Rose if we had Noah in the last one or two months. But that doesn't mean we can replace Rose with Watson..

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You aren't annoying me, I'm just trying to convince you to appreciate what Noah does.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Agree, last night was among the more enjoyable games from a pure basketball standpoint.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The only options out there on the trading block at SG are Mayo and Courtney Lee, they've asked about Afflalo, he isn't available as of now. The Grizz want a shit ton for Mayo, and the Rockets flat out wont trade Lee unless its part of a larger trade that makes their team marginally better. Our best bet is picking up someone on the cheap with no long term contract that can give us some boost on the perimeter. That way we can have our pickings of a free agent this Summer(using MLE and 2 mill cap space). Afflalo will be a RFA I believe. It's not worth giving up Taj and all our picks for a guy like Mayo if we can keep those assets and add a guy like Afflalo in the offseason. The Bulls aren't acting like a win now at all costs team, and they shouldn't. Sure ideally the Bulls win it all this year, but if we have the option to set our squad up to make multiple runs we should take that option over giving up key assets in an all in move for immediate success, especially since our team as is(with the injuries we've sustained), sits a few games out of first place.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Unless something(or someone) falls miraculously into our lap, the bulls should hold on to their assets and play out the season as is, with the exception of replacing Bogans.

    Lets see what the new CBA brings and address the starting 2 guard positon after the lockout, like in summer 2012.

    I would not trade Taj or Asik at this point for a marginal upgrade, they are too valuable to our playoff performance, even though Thibs hasn't figured it out yet with Asik.

    I am more than a bit dissappointed that Thibs has taken to not playing Asik in the second half, despite the fact that the Bulls seem to make a run in the first half when he plays.

    I really look forward to seeing the improvement in Asiks game after a full offseason of working with NBA level personnel. Hopefully, NOah takes him under his wing and they workout together at least when they are in Chicago.

    We are going to need his size and defense off the bench to win in the playoffs during the next 10 years(Rose's career).

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    I have not seen one post or heard one mention of Eric Gordon not playing. Not saying the Clips would have won but he is an important variable for them. Close to being an all-star. But then Joakim wasn't playing for the Bulls.

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    The Clippers are a pretty exciting young team, and they're good. Even with Gordon out, they're playing well.

    Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011/02/bulls-clippers-at-930-on-csn-nbatv.html#ixzz1CuHt7yGf

  • In reply to hgarbell:

    I agree them losing Gordon really hurts, he's a really good player and the only thing stopping the Clippers from becoming a really good team built around Griffin/Gordon is it's the Clippers. Hopefully they make it work and become the best team in LA in a couple of years as Kobe/Gasol/Odom all age, that would be awesome.

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    There stare down was epic. Joey Crawford had a stretch there where he decided he wanted to be on TV and be the show it seemed.

    This is the guy who threw Tim Duncan out of the game for laughing on the bench. What a jack ass.

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    Its truly amazing in the disparity b/t the calls Boozer, an 8 year vet gets & Griffin, a rookie

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    amen, ridiculous

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    2x

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Devin Hester ridiculous.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Great time to be a Bulls fan for sure!

    On the James Johnson Watch: He had 31 Points 14 Rebounds 7 Assists
    this is on 12 of 16 shooting and 3 of 4 from behind the arc! If only he could just come in and shoot the three like that for us and because he is super athletic he'd be pretty decent on D

  • In reply to Jersey66:

    Boozer, does push off a lot with his off hand(or arm). He gets away with it a lot, but he gets called for it more than any player that I can remember. Last nights calls were mostly really ticky tacky, not sure that any of them were legit, especially when you consider how physical Blake Griffin play the game.

    That look on Thomas's face needs to be on one of those MasterCard "priceless" commercials, or the Bulls playoff press guide.

  • Ahh yes, I love how Thomas fouls.. its the best.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Thomas will be great once Noah gets back. He will have limited minutes and in a sense more fouls to give. He can be more aggressive and he has got his legs back with all the minutes he has played.

  • The Cadillac looks good, but you're better off sticking with the Hybrid Range Rover in Noah and the efficient Volvo in Deng.

  • Firt of all Melo is only scoring 24 ppg this season because he's not giving himself at 100%(he doesn't want to play for nuggets anymore). He can score easily 28 ppg as last season.

    So all ur argument about points are wrong, he still can be 24 ppg with booz and Rose. It won't necessarily decrease rose and booz scoring. On the contrary bulls will score more than 100 ppg a game instead of 98 ppg. It's a great upgrade given the fact our goal at this moment is to improve Offense.

    One the other side, Having Melo is not only matter of points. Even if 5 ppg upgrade over Deng seems little. But the thing is Melo won't never desappears in money time.
    I mean in playoffs, we can be sure that Rose and Boozer will do what they're supposed to do !! But to win a serie against miami or boston will depend on Deng ! the problem is deng irrugullarity. Having Melo and rose able to be hot when games are close is great. As I said futher we won't win or loose a serie against miami or boston by so much : it gonna be just a little thing where having melo over deng would be the difference.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    How do you know Melo will perform. He has failed in the playoffs most of his life except for one year. Even Deng was a beast in the year we beat Miami. The point is it looks like Melo can be a great second option but is it easy to get him without gutting the team. If he was a FA in Summer 2010, he would have been a great player to add. But, there is no way in my life or your life, that GarPax are going to give up both Noah and Deng for Melo. So, stop going "MrHappy" on us and trying to justify Melo. We all want Melo but not at the sake of both Noah and Deng(because that's what Denver will expect).

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Here we go again "with melo might gut this team". How can u know ? u got nothing if u risk nothing. We used to say that Lebron with wade won't go well but apparently we were wrong. Having Melo, Booz and Rose with this D will give a birth to a great dynasty !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You cannot compare LeBron to Melo. LeBron is in a different tier than Melo or Boozer. Look at Denver now...their pieces are great which every team wants(Affalo, JR Smith, Nene, Billups, Lawson). As I said, Noah + Deng for Melo is not going to happen whether we want it or not. It is like offering Rose for Wade or offering Rose for Griffin...is just not going to happen as long as GarPax are around

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Seriously, I don't speak just for annoying u guys or something like that. At the beginning of the season, I was also against this deal but when I learned that Melo is okay to sign an extension, I was half-OK. After seeing the bulls 2 months playing well even with noah out, I think this deal is good. We'll come out stronger !s

  • In reply to deewaves:

    What can I do, for you Dee, so you can understand Deng is not an irregular scorer. He is just as constant as any other player. Sure, Rose gets his 20 points a night, but sometimes it takes 28 shots to get there. I can't remember the last time Deng took 28 shots. Therefore, with less shots, his potential to score less than 10 points is going to be a lot higher than Rose. In fact, compare Boozer and Dengs scoring. Boozer has been very 'irregular' as of late, with several low scoring totals, including 2 single digit outputs. I don't know where you picked up this 'irregularity' but it is a myth.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    It isn't about ppg but FG % percentage. Luol can go 10/17 on a given night then 2/10 the next one. Do u understand ?Sometimes he is so hot that he makes all of his first quarter shots the desappears the rest of the game. He is a great shot but he often misses wide open shot !! He can't play like that in playoffs if not we're dead !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Sometimes Derrick Rose goes 13/28 one night and 5/23 the next. I don't hear a peep out of you when that happens. Just look at the game logs. It is all there. Luol Deng is the opposite of inconsistent. Kyle Korver is inconsistent. Taj Gibson is inconsistent. Deng....not at all.

  • Seriously, I don't speak just for annoying u guys or something like that. At the beginning of the season, I was also against this deal but when I learned that Melo is okay to sign an extension, I was half-OK. After seeing the bulls 2 months playing well even with noah out, I think this deal is good. We'll come out stronger !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You're not annoying, its just a silly argument. No way the Bulls would make that trade. Its not even worth discussing

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Word. That trade is absurd, and it'll never happen. It's a waste of time.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    why is it absurd ? Nuggets have been asking Melo for Noah, deng and draft picks. The bulls organization and most of bulls fans refuse becuz they think Noah is irrepleceable, he is chicago heart and whatever ...

    2 weeks ago, It's been reported that discussions are still alive between bulls and nuggets. I'm trying to convince u that this deal is good for us. Nothing is absurd

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Although I know you'll disagree, Melo does not want to play here. No matter what "rumors" you've heard, that's the plain truth. Don't take what he or any of his circle says at face value. He's pulling a Wade, and I think we'd all agree in hindsight that Dewayne had no genuine intention of coming to Chicago.

    Second of all, I disagree strongly on your basketball points on why to acquire him. He's only a scorer, inefficient at that, a selfish, me-first player, who doesn't contribute on all the other aspects of the game. And the defense, rebounding, passing, hustle, teamwork-oriented chemistry that the Bulls would lose is not worth it, in my opinion.

    Thirdly, the business side of the trade makes it difficult, if not impossible. Here's a question from K.C.'s mailbag that asks the same question you're proposing:

    "With the Bulls going 18-6 without Joakim Noah, will these results just further media arguments for trading Noah for Carmelo? Will these results cause the Bulls' front office to give any sort of pause and consider the trade of Noah?"

    "In a word, no. And don't forget what I wrote awhile back: Noah is now a base-year compensation player, which is a technical term meaning his contract becomes very difficult to trade because in the world of needing to match salaries, his salary counts for roughly $3 million in the package the Bulls send out but $10 million on the Nuggets' books. But that's all fine print because the Bulls aren't trading Noah."

    Bottom line. Melo is not coming to Chicago. Period.

  • But you already know who wins! When I can't watch games live I go crazy trying to avoid hearing the final so I can watch it without knowing.

  • In reply to adamlweber:

    I know me too, I turn off the phone, begin every conversation with the sentence "before you say anything, please be advised that my Bulls game is on tape delay, I want to hear nothing about the NBA, and yes I know I am crazy but I kind of like it that way. You were saying?", I avoid sports bars & TV's completely, and I squint my eyes when turning on the TV in the case that I left it on a sports channel.

    Its so much better when you have absolutely no idea what's going on. I'll still watch it if do know, but then I fast forward almost all the down time

  • I was going to say the same thing. Do you think Rose or Noah would be giving it 75% just because they weren't in a good situation? That's the difference between a champion and a pretender. But to tell the truth I don't really think Melo isn't trying, I think he's just having a bad year because of distractions. Regardless he is their number one scoring option and isn't doing much with it. Definitely not 20 Million worth at least.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Agree completely. And how is it so many people like Deewaves fail to understand what we are really giving up in order to get a guy like Melo. Most likely it would take Noah and Deng (plus picks or cash or Taj). And even if it were just Noah and Deng that takes away 2 of our top 3 defenders, 2 of our top 3-4 rebounders, and our 2 most versatile players!

  • In reply to bcz1980:

    I think Denver will also send us back Nene or Birdman !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    A trade with Denver is never going to happen. Period. Accept it and move on.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    we're all human, Once u know that u wont be a part of the team soon. do u think u will plays at 100% ? Even if u think u can but without noticing u're going to be a lil bit lazy.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I agree to that. I don't see Melo as such a bad guy. But that said, to win in the league you really need to have a win at all cost mentality like Kobe, MJ have. That's why you don't see many multiple champions with them being the main guy. Iverson, Garnett,

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    David Robinson etc.. were guys who have not won or 1/2 championships but they didn't/don't have that killer instinct. Melo is a guy like that. He is worried about other things too much.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I don't why melo has an image of a looser. This is awful. He's one the rare players to have ever miss playoffs. Even Lebron, Wade and kobe has already missed playoffs. U forgot that he carried Denver to the western conference finals. The year after, they get eliminated because of injuries if not they could have been in nba finals ! Melo isn't a looser, he plays hard that should be enough to get integrate in the bulls game easily !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Noah would have been on the team without the injury this year....Over Horford.

  • I'm not sure how meaningful D league performances are to player value, it seems that less defense is played in the D league than in the all star game.

  • It's like Rose's run for MVP ... it's not so much that Rose or the Bulls are super awesome, but that every other player or team has their own flaws this year.

  • One thing to note about T-Will is that nobody doubted he has the ability to play in the NBA: he'd shown it in his rookie season. The doubts on him were whether he's too much of a head case, and the trip to D league was punishment not because he sucked.

    I don't think his D league stint really changed his trade value, I think the Rockets were just willing to take a chance on a guy who might be an asset down the track if he gets his head together. If/when Battier leaves in free agency Williams will get his chance there if he's able to take it.

    JJ has never really shown he can play in the NBA to that extent, so I don't think it's a great comparison.

  • I wonder if that was part of the Bulls plan... The Cavs are going to move Parker back to starting I wonder if this is to keep us interested

  • The Bulls have actually hit more threes than their opponents this year after being out shot by nearly 3 a game last year. That's a huge leap and basically accounts for the entire turn around for the team both offensively and defensively.

    Obviously a lot of other things have had to change on both ends for that to happen but the end result is in the threes.

  • no, 2 weeks ago, It's been reported that discussions are still alive between bulls and nuggets. I'm trying to convince u that this deal is good for us. If the fans are ok. We can make pressure to make deal done via internet !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I'm with Mitch. I don't mind you, it is just your crazy conclusion and ideas that you try to pass off as reality. I thought the Melo trade proposal w/Noah would be great until I really looked at it.

  • Sucks for Booz and Deng but maybe the lack of respect is a good thing in the long run if it fires them up to have a huge second half.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Pretty said that only 6 teams in the East are represented.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    sad

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    They take the whole good team thing too far. Its not the MVP

    I have big problems with 4 celtics, Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh, & no Kevin Love. Very dissapointed in the coaches.

    Could motivate Deng & Booz, could drive Booz to look out for his numbers in the future. I think as long as the bulls win, they will eventually get all the individual recognition. That's generally how it works, except for guys like Bosh.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    UnstopaBULL,

    Deng and Boozer didn't EARN their way onto the team.

    If it is seen as a SNUB in their eyes, we'll see how they improve.

    Motivation is one thing, talent is something else.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Boozer - 17.8 6.2reb 2.5 ass 1 stl 54.4%
    Garnett - 15.0 9reb 2.3 ass 1.5 stl 53.3%
    Deng - 17.8 6.2 2.5ass 1 stl 45.4%

    To say that Boozer and Deng didn't earn their way on is a matter of opinion rather than facts if you compare most of the major stats. But not looking at facts is kind of your thing Mappy. Also, It could be argued that Deng has had to do more (Boozer/Noah out for long stretches) and play more minutes than Garnett (DNP - almost 10 games)

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    looks like I short-changed Booz on Rebounds it should be 10+

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    and points, should be near 19.9

  • Or Mappy for that matter.

  • I kind of agree on going back to the previous year a little bit. We have had only 3 months of basketball this year and it is better to measure a full season in a way.

    BTW, I feel that ESPN makes a big impact on the coaches selection. You would think they are in the league but with the busy schedules and playing each once or twice...they probably depend or at the least get influenced from Sportscenter and analysis to make their selections unfortunately.

  • IMO Joe Johnson took his spot, not Bosh.

  • Love is the biggest snub but he should get in as Yao's replacement.

    Boozer missed multiple games but so did Garnett, Rondo, Johnson and Bosh. I guess it comes down to how many games is too many to miss before it counts against you?

  • Well the two forward spots were going to Garnett and Pierce, and the first wildcard spot to Bosh, I don't think that was ever in doubt (not saying it's fair, just that it was an entirely predictable outcome). So really Boozer needed to beat out the field for the last spot. I thought Joe Johnson's early poor play and injury might keep him out but looks like his stronger recent play won the coaches over.

  • What an absolute joke.
    Boozer deserved the selection far more than Bosh did.

  • We know the league has agendas marketing/profit/money wise. Word/encouragement gets around to these coaches. If Bosh had the same numbers with Toronto this year he's watching the game on TV. Granted his numbers have shrunk in part because of the other scorers he's playing with. But that's not Carlos Boozer's problem.

    Also for me Joakim was playing beyond all-star level before the injury. And Lu has been coming on as a second half(3rd/4th quarter) player. Plus adding the three ball in volume is huge. If Jo comes back with that same offensive game/repetroire then he, Lu, and Derrick are all going to look like all-stars playing together. They could very well be the winners in the end/come playoff time.

    As long as Derrick is starting this year I'm happy. Eventually if the Bulls can win some playoff series/build a rep they will get multiple guys on the team. And Jo should definitely be there some day soon.

  • maybe the bUlls already have a tentative trade almost signed off on, & team x just wants a final scouting.

  • I agree, but the way the coaches think, I wouldn't be surprised ir it was Aldridge, being from a winning team

  • it totally ups his case for MVP

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